Bigun
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« on: May 16, 2013, 05:14:04 PM » |
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Ok I am at my wits end. I have power to the starter, power to the coils, grounds are good but I am not getting spark. could the pulse generator be bad? if so where is it located? what else could be causing.a fully energised system to not throw spark.
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« Reply #1 on: May 16, 2013, 05:18:59 PM » |
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the coils fire when ground is removed by the icm. this is controlled by the pickups at the trigger wheel
(under the front cover)
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« Reply #2 on: May 16, 2013, 05:32:14 PM » |
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Ok I am at my wits end. I have power to the starter, power to the coils, grounds are good but I am not getting spark. could the pulse generator be bad? if so where is it located? what else could be causing.a fully energised system to not throw spark.
a weak battery. try jumper cables to a good battery (car) and see what happens |
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Bigun
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« Reply #3 on: May 16, 2013, 06:45:11 PM » |
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Ok I am at my wits end. I have power to the starter, power to the coils, grounds are good but I am not getting spark. could the pulse generator be bad? if so where is it located? what else could be causing.a fully energised system to not throw spark.
a weak battery. try jumper cables to a good battery (car) and see what happens Brand new fully charged battery. motor exchange with a running pinwall low mile interstate motor. went over all grounds and connectors. motor spins well with the starter but no spark is getting to the plugs. I guess next step is tto pull the pulse generators and trigger wheel of my old motor. |
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« Reply #4 on: May 16, 2013, 06:48:51 PM » |
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Did you get a completely assembled running engine, or a short block? (You had to move all your parts over to their engine)
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« Reply #5 on: May 16, 2013, 06:58:09 PM » |
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The pulse generators are behind the front cover in with the belts. Are you sure you are not getting spark? How do you know? Try jumping from the cage to boost the power to the new battery. If the voltage drops in the starting battery, below, I think,10.5 during the crank starting, the coils wont fire. Could be pulse generators, or trigger wheel, or ICM. Sure of fuel getting in? pull the plugs to look? Just some Ideas  |
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« Reply #6 on: May 16, 2013, 07:36:56 PM » |
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Do you have first hand knowledge of this engine running at Pinwall. If so, then you probably have a wiring issue and not a defective part. Did the wiring harness come with the engine or are you using your old one, did you do anything in terms of moving parts from one engine to the other, did you have to rewire the coils or other electrical connections.....big issue, did the engine ever run to your knowledge.
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« Reply #7 on: May 16, 2013, 07:59:52 PM » |
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Ok I am at my wits end. I have power to the starter, power to the coils, grounds are good but I am not getting spark. could the pulse generator be bad? if so where is it located? what else could be causing.a fully energised system to not throw spark.
a weak battery. try jumper cables to a good battery (car) and see what happens Brand new fully charged battery. motor exchange with a running pinwall low mile interstate motor. went over all grounds and connectors. motor spins well with the starter but no spark is getting to the plugs. I guess next step is tto pull the pulse generators and trigger wheel of my old motor. motor spins well, just no spark....classic sign of a weak battery......I wouldnt do anything until I hooked it to a KNOWN good battery....BTW new does not equal good |
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Bigun
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« Reply #8 on: May 16, 2013, 08:03:37 PM » |
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Pinwall had a video of the motor running. All I added was the covers new belts, plugs etc. My motor hydrlocked but still ran if push started so the wiring and coils were good.
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« Reply #9 on: May 16, 2013, 08:53:46 PM » |
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Were the belts off the motor when you received it, or did you just change them out? I am wondering if it had the belt pulleys on it?? how about the trigger wheel and sensors or did you put those on from your motor?
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Bigun
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« Reply #10 on: May 16, 2013, 09:40:12 PM » |
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Belts were on the motor, Just put new ones on as insurance. I inspected all pullies for damage but there wasnt any. Pinwall does an excellent job packing and there was no damage other than 2 broken and 1 missing stud.
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« Reply #11 on: May 16, 2013, 10:13:12 PM » |
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Well now I am thinking about the two pulse generators and pulse rotor (trigger wheel) . The pulse rotor is between the two timing belt drive pulleys, (middle double pulley) and the pulse generators are at aprox. 8 and 11 oclock to the drive pulley. Did you check all this out when replacing belts??
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Bigun
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« Reply #12 on: May 16, 2013, 11:03:29 PM » |
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everything looked right and un damaged or I wouldnt have put it together. I put the battery on the trickle charger will let it sit on there untill sat morning and give it another try.
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« Reply #13 on: May 17, 2013, 02:42:32 AM » |
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everything looked right and un damaged or I wouldnt have put it together. I put the battery on the trickle charger will let it sit on there untill sat morning and give it another try.
I would try jumping off another vehicle with good jumper cables and good connections. Would eliminate the wait and see or possibility that the trickle charger may or may not be doing it's job. |
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« Reply #14 on: May 17, 2013, 08:13:18 AM » |
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Easy enough to check a battery with a volt/ohm meter.
Just having the battery on a charger doesn't guarantee success.
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« Reply #15 on: May 17, 2013, 08:38:28 AM » |
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Big picture: it sounds like you got a long block (maybe including carbs) from Pinwheel. This engine was a running engine so all the parts included with this engine are good parts.
Your old engine would run if it was pushed started so this means all the electrical residing in your old bike is good.
You moved some number of parts over from the old motor and replaced some of the parts on the new motor for maintenance purposes.
So bottom line, you had two running engines to work with and unless some part decided to fail in the process, or some part was damaged, I would tend to think a wire was damaged, left off (unplugged). So, I would go back and review the handling/installation of every part involved.
P.S.....ya gotta have a known good battery to work with......
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Bigun
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« Reply #16 on: May 17, 2013, 03:11:09 PM » |
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I feel the same. I went over the wiring with a friend and a diagram, everything looked good. i have an extra pulse generator and trigger wheel and really hope the brand new gel cell is the.problem. Unfortunately I work 12 hr shifts so my time to work on it is limited but will try jump starting it in the morning. Untill then the battery is on the charger
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« Reply #17 on: May 17, 2013, 07:46:21 PM » |
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Make sure the car/truck that you are jumping your bike from is NOT running.
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Bigun
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« Reply #18 on: May 17, 2013, 09:34:20 PM » |
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will do.
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« Reply #19 on: May 18, 2013, 06:49:23 AM » |
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Did your remove the center cover of you bike and the bank angle switch. If you did it is easy to install the switch upside down and the bike will turn over but not start.
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Bigun
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« Reply #20 on: May 18, 2013, 11:08:29 AM » |
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center cover was moved but never removed. Never touched the bank angle sensor but will check it out. Ok I took the battery back had it load tested and it was good. Then had them make sure it was the right battery. not even close. The proper battery is on my charger and Hopefully that is the problem. Will check in the morning and have my fingers crossed.
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« Reply #21 on: May 18, 2013, 07:55:42 PM » |
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Did you try and jump it? It wouldn't matter if it was the right battery or not when jumping,that is assuming the battery was a twelve volt battery.  Jumping it would have been a quick sure way to know or at least eliminate the battery as the source of the starting issue. |
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Bigun
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« Reply #22 on: May 18, 2013, 11:44:38 PM » |
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No I did not have time after exchanging the battery. It's on the charger and I will try to get it running in the AM before going to bed.
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