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Found this while replacing tires  . So far it looks like about 425  for the new flange, gear set, and seals. I think I can lube and get by for a little while. Unless someone has a way to fix this without replacing the gears. Too bad the gears out of the drive on a wing are different, they go so much cheaper on eBay. No long rides planned at this time.    |
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John Schmidt
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« Reply #1 on: October 05, 2013, 01:15:49 AM » |
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That center gear in the final drive(female part) can be used out of a Wing final. Buy a good one, pull the top plate off and lift out the ring gear on both yours and the Wing unit. Have the worn piece pressed out and the same part pressed out of the Wing unit and pressed into your final. You now have a good final drive. Been done numerous times.
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« Reply #2 on: October 05, 2013, 03:24:27 AM » |
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Seeing that wear is a bummer, but even so... what you have should
keep you rolling for quite a while with proper lube and reassembly...
-Mike
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« Reply #3 on: October 05, 2013, 06:43:49 AM » |
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I don't know what you all are talking about and the important part of the flange is on the other side of the flange.
It's very unclear in the picture with all the grease and crud.
The splines look fine.
I just wouldn't go off half cocked and start to predict doom and gloom until it is cleaned thoroughly and then inspected.
Right now I can't see anything wrong except the the flange and that is not clear at all.
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« Reply #4 on: October 05, 2013, 07:22:10 AM » |
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I can see it Ricky, there is substantial wear on both flange and splines. Look into the wing pressout as Stuffy mentioned Dave, I have done it successfully,,, nothing a decent mechanic with a bit of time and tools can't do. My total cost with the eBay wing final, flange from board member and seals and small parts from Partzilla was under $100. Do a search of the board, should come up with threads from several who have done it. If you do, two important things are to get the backlash correct, and follow the manuals instructions when putting the sealer on the cases.
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« Reply #5 on: October 05, 2013, 07:26:06 AM » |
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Thanks for the info John and Mike , I'll finish cleaning and proceed with reassembly and lube. So I can install the new tire I don't really need(between 4 and 5 32nd of tread remaining), but wanted to match the new front. Next will be to start watching eBay for a good donor unit to get the drive splines from. Ricky I know it is not thoroughly cleaned as I've seen some others when researching last night, but I did spend some time on this last night. I'm assuming that is moly in there because it was thick and just did not want to come off even after soaking with carb cleaner, and scrubbing with an old tooth brush. I can clearly see the wear just looking at tips of the splines, drive and coast sides do not look the same. The flange has less wear than the final drive unit which appears to be about 1/3 worn flange maybe 1/4. The amount of free play in the splines is why I cleaned it as it as. This is what they looked like before cleaning   |
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Daniel Meyer
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« Reply #6 on: October 05, 2013, 07:28:48 AM » |
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...and make sure the 4 nuts that hold the pumpkin to the swing arm are loose when you torque the axle and tightened up after torquing the axle. Every time.
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« Reply #7 on: October 05, 2013, 07:34:58 AM » |
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Thanks Pancho, I thought I'd seen the press out repair before but not last night when looking. I'm headed out to the garage now to get her back into riding condition until I have everything ready to bring those splines back into specs.
Got it Daniel, same procedure my shadow had. Just to be safe after I first read about spline issues I loosened and torqued in the proper sequence about a month after getting this Valk. I guess thing might be worse now if I hadn't, but it all seemed well lubed when I took her apart last night.
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« Reply #8 on: October 05, 2013, 08:50:50 AM » |
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Also, make sure the thrust washer is between the wheel and drive flange,,, it will cause substantial damage if left out..... check your rubber wheel dampers while in there too .....
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« Reply #9 on: October 05, 2013, 09:12:43 AM » |
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Depending upon how much riding you do,
there's many years of life left in those splines.
That's of course with good lubrication applied.
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« Reply #10 on: October 05, 2013, 09:24:11 AM » |
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Dampers look good at this time, the thrust washer is present. I will not be stingy with the lock tite moly paste I have. Riding is not enough, only 3k in the 2 years I've owned her. That is more than I put on the shadow the last 5 though. Might help if I find a way to remove some of the weight from my wrist too. Both exits from my neighborhood are onto main roads with no lights in my favor. Acceleration is best described as the Cadillac commercial from a couple years ago when they show the car coming out of a tunnel and at high rate with the sound of a shell casing bouncing and the narrator saying bang  . this will be a difficult adjustment for me to make with the Valk. |
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« Reply #11 on: October 05, 2013, 01:37:20 PM » |
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Well, I agree with Ricky, with the miles you put on the bike, those splines will last for awhile with liberal application of the proper lubes.
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« Reply #12 on: October 05, 2013, 06:24:43 PM » |
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It has already been said, but here it is again.....you have a lot of life left in both of those splines, lube them and check every 10K miles.....good for 20-30K probably.
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« Reply #13 on: October 05, 2013, 09:31:37 PM » |
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You may want to check the condition of the splines every three K or so. The case hardening done on the flange and splines may not be very deep so the parts will retain some toughness. They may wear much faster now that the surface on the driven side is gone.
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« Reply #14 on: October 05, 2013, 10:10:44 PM » |
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I got about 40K out of my splines after they looked like this set. Watched them wear to about 50% them eventually to about 75% where I changed the drive and flange with a good used set. Took a little over a year and checked them every 10K ......worked out OK, I thing these splines kind of work harden and prolongs their life.
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« Reply #15 on: October 06, 2013, 04:48:49 PM » |
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I'm glad to hear that I can still get some good mileage from these spines. I got her all back together last night with both my new tires mounted and counter act balance beads installed. Today was a busy day so I have yet to see how she handles with the new tires. Hoping the weather will be good enough for riding to work tomorrow, and a good lunch time ride. Last I checked the forecast there was some rain headed out way due to the remnants of the tropical storm coming this way . |
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« Reply #16 on: October 06, 2013, 06:27:35 PM » |
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Well those splines look about like the ones on my 99 IS with 86,000 on it. I bought it with 42k on it and that is how they looked when I got it and pulled the rear wheel to check them. Once the case hardening is gone, there is work hardening that occurs as the metal is deformed, keep them lubed and you should get plenty of miles out of that set of splines. I'll be pulling mine apart this winter to check them, but I have an appointment in Robbinsville, NC first.
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