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In a earlier post on this thread I made a general referance to our Federal Government as Sambo. Some may have been offended by taking this out of context.

  Don't worry, I'm sure everyone knows exactly what context you used this in Stormrider.

Back to reality, I just don't understand why some people post the political stuff in the first place. Are they hoping for confirmation that their opinion is correct?  Then throw a hissy fit if everyone doesn't chime in with a "you betcha"? I don't get it. 

I have never posted a political thread here, but I have sure responded in comments.  I guess that's pretty dumb too, but I hate to see all the "Evil empire", "socialist", "dictator" "secession" and racist crap about the USA government and didn't want it to go unchallenged.  Yeah, I know it won't change minds, but I want to make sure that someone visiting this board doesn't think that we were all of that mindset. 

[Jeff K]

In a earlier post on this thread I made a general referance to our Federal Government as Sambo. Some may have been offended by taking this out of context.

 
  I hate to see all the "Evil empire", "socialist", "dictator" "secession" and racist crap about the USA government and didn't want it to go unchallenged.  Yeah, I know it won't change minds, but I want to make sure that someone visiting this board doesn't think that we were all of that mindset. 

Isn't that a bummer? I put up with rants and name calling about George Bush for 8 years and running. My Sister (lib X 10) was the worst offender. But the day after Osama got elected I told her it was her turn to listen to the ridicule. I have not heard from her or seen her since. Her pictures posted on our family web site of Bush looking like a monkey were fine, but my posts about Osama were all "racist" and "insensitive" and the best of the best was "you have to accept him, back him, and give him a chance"... uh, no I don't.
My Father always told us "don't dish it out if you can't take it" I guess she never learned.
I'm sure if anything, and I mean ANYTHING, good comes out of this band of thieves, she will break cover and come to gloat, but I don't see that happening anytime soon. 
 

[Chrisj CMA]

In a earlier post on this thread I made a general referance to our Federal Government as Sambo. Some may have been offended by taking this out of context.

  Don't worry, I'm sure everyone knows exactly what context you used this in Stormrider.

Back to reality, I just don't understand why some people post the political stuff in the first place. Are they hoping for confirmation that their opinion is correct?  Then throw a hissy fit if everyone doesn't chime in with a "you betcha"? I don't get it. 

I have never posted a political thread here, but I have sure responded in comments.  I guess that's pretty dumb too, but I hate to see all the "Evil empire", "socialist", "dictator" "secession" and racist crap about the USA government and didn't want it to go unchallenged.  Yeah, I know it won't change minds, but I want to make sure that someone visiting this board doesn't think that we were all of that mindset. 

Why does "changing someone" have to be the goal of a political (or religious) post?  I dont have any expectation that anything put on here is going to necessarily change anyone.  I think people, need to express their frustrations when outrageous things happen.  I also think when someone sees that others feel the way they do, then maybe by knowing "its not just me" eventually like minded Americans will stand together over an issue that really matters

[stormrider]

Ya know Jeff, early in life, the 6th grade, I got the crap beat out of me by my teacher; 20 licks. Needless to say the scumbag didn't teach school in GA any afterwards. He should've gone to jail. The thing I learned from that is to question authority figures, hold respect for the position but at least question their motive. I apply that to those that promise me something as well. And politicians are good at making promises that will cost somebody something. Ya know the saying, nothing is free. I guess there are some in our society that believe everything they are told by our political leaders as long as it fits in their world view. I am optomistic about what God is up to but I know as well that he ain't happy about a lot of things going on in this country such as murder of the unborn paid for at the taxpayers expense, pornography, alcoholism, drug addiciton, lying, cheating, murder, etc.. And there are some at the top of the food chain that are experts and try to subject us to their ideology. I just ain't buying it.

Love ya brother, have a blessed day.
 

[Willow]

It's an interesting observation on the irony of humanity that someone can post the question, "Should we eliminate political posts?" and it very quickly degenerates into a thread of expressing political views.   

I don't think we should start compiling lists of forbidden subjects for discussion, but I do sincerely wish that some of us would be able to shake off our childishness long enough to carry on a semi-civil conversation.   As Scott had mentioned, the atmosphere of constant name calling, accusation, and disrespect has just about destroyed my ability to enjoy reading the board.

[Chrisj CMA]

It's an interesting observation on the irony of humanity that someone can post the question, "Should we eliminate political posts?" and it very quickly degenerates into a thread of expressing political views.   

I don't think we should start compiling lists of forbidden subjects for discussion, but I do sincerely wish that some of us would be able to shake off our childishness long enough to carry on a semi-civil conversation.   As Scott had mentioned, the atmosphere of constant name calling, accusation, and disrespect has just about destroyed my ability to enjoy reading the board.

Willow, at least  up until you posted this, I guess I missed any name calling, where did you see this thread "quickly degenerate".......I didnt see that.  I have a question at the end.  We all hate the name calling.....(and I admit in the past I got sucked into some, thats one reason I stepped back for awhile.)  But, I dont see any problem with stating a view, even if its negative in some way.  However, we shouldnt throw insults at fellow Valkyrieriders.  I guess Im sitting here wondering why personal attacks are just not deleted and simply not tolerated.......like has been stated most posters dont choose to start situations like that, but then a chord is struck and it is hard not to toss in your two cents, then when you get attacked, before you know it you are responding, then its ugly and all are at fault. 

But up until your post I didnt see that happen here

[asfltdncr]

A friend had an emplyee that did exactly that. Young man, went out got that newer truck, got a boat, was married, new mobile home, etc. Comes to my friend one Friday and says, I can't make it on what you pay me, I need a raise. And hadn't been there more than a year.

Text edited.  I didn't completely understand the comment, but if it meant what it sounded like it meant, it was way over the line.  -  Willow

1900, about 3% was spent on all taxes accross the board, and what about today, for some it is as much as 40-50 %. How bout you, how much total tax burden do you have; income, national and state, sales tax, property tax, cell phone tax, etc etc etc?

In 1900-horse and buggy,dirt roads,scarce electricity,no phones,scarce and primitive medical care--no motorcycling.

[Willow]

... where did you see this thread "quickly degenerate"...

I stand corrected on the "quickly", ChrisJ.  I should have used "eventually".  It took about thirty-six hours before someone couldn't resist posting his (or her) particular political bent.  My personal opinion is that most of the turmoil results from folks that can't seem to resist any opportunity to spout their own political views.  I suspect that there are few regular visitors to this board who are uncertain of my political loyalties, but I go out of my way, most of the time, to avoid stating them here.

Willow, at least  up until you posted this, I guess I missed any name calling, ...

   

I guess my use of the English language isn't the best.  It appears that you thought I was referencing name calling in this thread.  That wasn't my intent.

I guess Im sitting here wondering why personal attacks are just not deleted and simply not tolerated...

One reason I don't just arbitrarily delete all personal attacks is that there is a wide variety of opinion on what constitutes a personal attack as opposed to a healthy disagreement.  Secondly, personal attack is generally, here, met by more personal attack.  You likely have no idea how tedious it can become sorting through each post trying to decide what is barely acceptable and what is definitely over the line.

  We all hate the name calling...

We all hate name calling?  Really? I think what we all hate is other people's name calling.  I personally would consider placing quotation marks around the title president to be in that category.  You see, people simply will not agree on where the lines are and, more often than not, when someone's post is edited or removed the poster will pitch a fit and one or more of his (or her) buddies will wade in with lightly veiled insults, accusations and barbed criticism.  I do the best I can to walk a fine line, but then you must know how thin is my skin.

... like has been stated most posters dont choose to start situations like that, but then a chord is struck and it is hard not to toss in your two cents, ...

Doing what is hard is what defines the difference between adults and juveniles.  Let's all start to act like big people around here.

Just to clarify, well over ninety percent of the posters to this board cause me no problems, ever.

I have a question at the end. 

Jeff, I may have missed your question at the end.  I hope I've included the answer.[/i]

[Chrisj CMA]

no, you answered my question, and I probably dont understand the size of the effort it takes to do what you do.  I will say that placing quotations around the word president because I personally believe the man got elected by less than honorable means and does not have the best interests of the United States of America at heart is NOT the same thing as hurling insults to members of our Valkyrie family.  You will NEVER be able to quote me in a slur against a brother rider, never again. 

[Willow]

no, you answered my question, and I probably dont understand the size of the effort it takes to do what you do.  I will say that placing quotations around the word president because I personally believe the man got elected by less than honorable means and does not have the best interests of the United States of America at heart is NOT the same thing as hurling insults to members of our Valkyrie family.  You will NEVER be able to quote me in a slur against a brother rider, never again. 

I truly appreciate your resolve.

I don't question why you do it.  There's no question that many agree with your reasons and that just as many disagree.  The point is that what you recognize as "name calling" and what someone else recognizes is simply not the same.

As an aside, the practice serves no purpose but to be in-your-face to several of our VRCC family.  How is that significantly different than hurling insults?

Thank you for your determination to be a part of positive change.

[Chrisj CMA]

no, you answered my question, and I probably dont understand the size of the effort it takes to do what you do.  I will say that placing quotations around the word president because I personally believe the man got elected by less than honorable means and does not have the best interests of the United States of America at heart is NOT the same thing as hurling insults to members of our Valkyrie family.  You will NEVER be able to quote me in a slur against a brother rider, never again. 

As an aside, the practice serves no purpose but to be in-your-face to several of our VRCC family.  How is that significantly different than hurling insults?

If you are referring to the quotations I use...that they are meant to be an "in-your-face" to anyone here in the VRCC; that is simply untrue.

Yes, there was a "love affair" with Obama like he was a rock star or a deity......however, I think that is pretty much worn off now.  I dont think there are very many still in the starry eyed gaze that would be offended by my disapproval.

They (the quotations) are meant to communicate the fact that I (as well as many Americans) believe this man wants to destroy too much of what our country has stood for.  If I knew how to put more active actions to my feelings I would do it, but I just dont know what would be beneficial and what would look loony.  I think the day is coming where we will all have to make a choice...........put up or shut up!  I dont think Ill be shutting up

[BudMan]

One MC board I frequent has its general board broken down into different sub areas such as; rides, group events, technical / mechanical, for sale items, and political among others.
If a thread starts in an incorrect area, the admins can (and do) move the thread to the appropriate area. (When they get around to it that is, none of us are doing this for a living.)
I would really like to see us have a political area.  Some times I like to jump in those discussions, and some times I don’t.  If they were all in one concentrated area, I could avoid them easily or find them when I want to peek in.
Just a thought.

[Cruzen]

Leave the political posts, just change the name of the board to reflect the new focus of discussion. 

And please don't tell me I can just scroll over them or not open them, the fact that they are here is more than a little bit annoying and tells me some people need to get a life or learn to live the one they currently have and let others live theirs.

Maybe I should start discussing subject matter relating to my Corvettes, my personal relationships, religion or .......... 

Maybe the ladies can start threads about bras or cosmetics or jerks they met in the bar while their significant other was home discussing politics on the Valkyrie boards.

If you feel you have to air your concerns, griefs, frustrations etc about politics find a good bar tender, who won't give a s..t either about what you have to say but will pick up the money you leave on the bar, or take your frustrations out on a bag in a gym.  Bringing it out on these boards is not going to change one thing so why waste our time.  If we wanted that annoyance we would be on a board dedicated to that sort of topic.  As an adminstrator on several yahoo based I do remove any threads that are off the stated subject matter or are not in agreement with the stated purpose of the board.  That's my job.

Now back to our regularly scheduled programming which I hope is about Valkyrie motorcycles and the lifestyle they provide for us.

How do I get off this soap box??  Who moved the stairs?

[BudMan]

I’m with you, Cruzen, but I would not like to see anyone’s post deleted, just moved to a dedicated political sub-area of the board.  It’s too hard to tell sometimes from the title what the thread contains.

[Rocketman]

I have a pink Valkyrie
Well, thats what the red and white blurrs to while zipping by................they are the fastest

Mine hasn't ever turned pink.  It always goes straight to plaid!

[Spaceballs reference.  Anyone?  Anyone?]

[RedValk]

I’m with you, Cruzen, but I would not like to see anyone’s post deleted, just moved to a dedicated political sub-area of the board.  It’s too hard to tell sometimes from the title what the thread contains.

on the Rune board, i have an "Off Topic" forum. I move what little Political stuff shows up on the General board, over to there. i only delete it if it REALLY gets bad...and then only as a last resort. If folks start attacking each other...which frankly doesn't happen often on that board, i lock down the post...WITH AN EXPLANATION of why. But again, that kind of stuff doesn't happen too often.

but bottom line, we have an OFF TOPIC forum where most the "non Rune related crap" goes to. We also have Tech board, Swap meet, Support and Testing, Accessories listing...................but sometimes, you can have TOO many other forums..........kind of waters things down a bit...if ya' know what i mean. MORE WORK FOR US MODERATORS TOO.........and i know Scott, Connie, Willow and Lori know what i mean by that  

[Daniel Meyer]

elimination...politics...

Occurs to me that they're pretty much the same thing...in one meaning of the word...

[Madmike]

yes, and I agree with Daniel.... anyone that says that brussels sprouts are actually a viable food source is without question full of politics.......