salty1
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« on: May 19, 2014, 10:10:28 AM » |
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Just bought an Interstate with a CA emission system. My question is can I remove the canister and just connect together the two incoming lines to that canister without impacting the bikes performance? Eventually I will desmog the bike, but have a few other things I'd like to complete first. The damn canister is in the way of putting the lift block in place under the swing arm so I can raise the rear tire off the ground. Thanks for you responses!  |
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« Reply #1 on: May 19, 2014, 10:16:51 AM » |
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Give it a try. You could always put it back if it does make a difference .
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gordonv
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« Reply #2 on: May 19, 2014, 01:18:27 PM » |
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I believe it has been mentioned before in the past, no problem, as long as you connect the two lines together, so they can complete their circuit.
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salty1
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« Reply #3 on: May 19, 2014, 02:16:54 PM » |
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I believe it has been mentioned before in the past, no problem, as long as you connect the two lines together, so they can complete their circuit.
Thank you! After I looked at the emission system schematic I thought that might be a possibility unless there was something magical happening in the canister. |
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« Reply #4 on: May 25, 2014, 02:20:17 PM » |
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after reading this post and wondering the same thing, I removed the canister, connected the 2 hoses and went for a ride.. about 10 miles into it she started bogging and stumbling all over herself, bad to the point of having to stop and pull over..very hard to start, symptomatic of fuel starvation, finally got her home. There is more going on here than just bypassing the can.. I too previously studied the vacuum routes of this canister and thought it was a no brain-er, just hook the fuel vent in and out of the can together, funny thing was after i took the can out, there was a third hose that went to nowhere, the schematic did show this was the way its supposed to be- calling it a free air drop, so what you are really doing by joining the 2 vacuum lines together is not just bypassing the can, that would work if the fuel breather line is the only in and out back to the tank, but its not! The fuel tank breather line goes in, but the other line goes to the evap purge control valve, which inturn touches just about every other vacuum line from carbs to manifolds, so by hooking these 2 together, you connect fuel tank vacuum directly to a emissions control valve and the rest of the smog crap without that 3rd open air line, which now.. its not surprising how bad she ran.. and i mean bad, at times like the motor would get hurt if you didn't shut it down. So.. the can is going back on, unless someone that has done it can say whats needs to be done with both lines. I can tell you that joining the 2 together will not work.
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« Reply #5 on: May 25, 2014, 05:15:33 PM » |
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My experience: installing the 'Stays On Your Bike' jack adapter, I simply un-bolted the canister and pulled it out. One hose came with the can and the others didn't, and I just tossed it in a bucket in case I ever needed to put it back on. I've never traced the existing hoses or done anything with them, and she's run just fine this way for 4 years now.
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« Reply #6 on: May 25, 2014, 06:52:10 PM » |
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Wow! A couple of opposing responses. So the bike will run with or without the canister( as long as the lines are left open).  I sure hope there's more feedback. I wonder what happens when a CA emission bike is desmogged and what's involved to desmog it correctly? ??? |
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« Reply #7 on: May 25, 2014, 07:13:09 PM » |
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Wow! A couple of opposing responses. So the bike will run with or without the canister( as long as the lines are left open). I sure hope there's more feedback. I wonder what happens when a CA emission bike is desmogged and what's involved to desmog it correctly? ??? Maybe Fordmano or DaddieO will see this post. If I remember correctly they desmogged D.O.'s CA. Bike a year or 2 ago. |
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« Reply #8 on: May 25, 2014, 07:54:45 PM » |
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Yes, I am also interested in knowing the differences in de-smoging a CA bike vs the others,
now that I have learned that if you have the can- its a CA bike, which tells me there's probably more to gain in removing CA regulated smog crap. I will say once I put the can back on, it was a night and day difference.. for a second I thought my phat gurl uttered something like.. you dumbass.. why mess with me when I am running perfect..? ok.. the reason I took the can off to begin with.. was, well it was the perfect place to mount this new louder horn I got, I can live with finding another suitable spot for it, but now I find out I have a CA smogged gurl and its gonna drive me nuts until I get her to breath right like the rest.. cant imagine how I find a bike in Florida and it was made for CA?!
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« Reply #9 on: May 25, 2014, 08:31:38 PM » |
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Yes, I am also interested in knowing the differences in de-smoging a CA bike vs the others,
now that I have learned that if you have the can- its a CA bike, which tells me there's probably more to gain in removing CA regulated smog crap. I will say once I put the can back on, it was a night and day difference.. for a second I thought my phat gurl uttered something like.. you dumbass.. why mess with me when I am running perfect..? ok.. the reason I took the can off to begin with.. was, well it was the perfect place to mount this new louder horn I got, I can live with finding another suitable spot for it, but now I find out I have a CA smogged gurl and its gonna drive me nuts until I get her to breath right like the rest.. cant imagine how I find a bike in Florida and it was made for CA?!
I've got a Florida bike on the border of CA. These bikes were made to travel  |
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« Reply #10 on: May 25, 2014, 08:51:35 PM » |
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If the reason for removing the canister is to apply the jack adaptor, how about moving the canister over?
I know when I mounted the RIVCO center stand on my IS, I did not have the relocation bracket, but I made one and just moved the canister over.
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« Reply #11 on: May 25, 2014, 08:59:42 PM » |
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On the shoptalk page there are a couple of De-smog articles. Near the top of the one titled 'Removing the Smog' there is a link 'CA De-Smog notes by Tim Skelton' that has some info that I used to do the de-smog on my California IS this spring. Also added an AFC Model 152 fuel valve and it all runs just fine.
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« Reply #12 on: May 26, 2014, 08:29:37 AM » |
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Thanks for the link, after studying it thru.. it strikes me that the first statement is the recommendation not to do it. I know many have, but at the end of the day, question remain... are there noticeable performance gains? or is the intent to reduce possibility of vacuum leaks and removal of unneeded parts(pair valves,etc) that could fail? If its the latter then i am thinking the best course of action would be to ensure all the vacuum lines and connections are good and proper, than to remove this and plug that, and it appears rejetting then becomes a consideration, and well.. with my luck and my buddie Murphy always trying to help, i am afraid I will take a perfectly running gurl and create a, well.. bitch, and for what? I need a sanity check here please..  |
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« Reply #13 on: May 26, 2014, 08:54:30 PM » |
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I removed the canister to install the jack adapter, and did the desmog to clear space for the Danmark fuel shutoff and a cruise control. Without those projects I would have never touched any of it. Removing and re-installing the tank and air box was a huge hassle.
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« Reply #14 on: May 27, 2014, 09:29:43 AM » |
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I have a California model and when I installed the leave on jack adapter I just left the two hoses to the canister open with no problems. One is the gas tank vent anyway the other is part of the smog system and nothing is effected if it is not hooked up.
Also if you de-smog your bike you get rid of a whole bunch of joints and connections that can become vacuum leaks and clean up the top of the motor at the same time. I had half of a five gallon bucket of hoses, tee's, air valves and brackets and other stuff that I didn't know what it did. I capped off seven vacuum nipples and six air nipples that weren't needed any more as well as installing a Pingle manual fuel valve. And have no problems since !
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« Reply #15 on: May 27, 2014, 11:06:09 PM » |
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I live in CA..my valk has had that canister for always and my bike can move! so, I'm not sure you need the headache just to maybe get a little bit more power..not to mention you are helping cutting down on hydrocarbon emissions  Thanks for the link, after studying it thru.. it strikes me that the first statement is the recommendation not to do it. I know many have, but at the end of the day, question remain... are there noticeable performance gains? or is the intent to reduce possibility of vacuum leaks and removal of unneeded parts(pair valves,etc) that could fail? If its the latter then i am thinking the best course of action would be to ensure all the vacuum lines and connections are good and proper, than to remove this and plug that, and it appears rejetting then becomes a consideration, and well.. with my luck and my buddie Murphy always trying to help, i am afraid I will take a perfectly running gurl and create a, well.. bitch, and for what? I need a sanity check here please.. |
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« Reply #16 on: May 28, 2014, 01:15:21 PM » |
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Go ahead and pull the trigger on the de-smog and the problem will fix itself. My Cali model doesn't miss it one bit.
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