laying f6c on side to change rear tire

[dans2014]

I saw a video on a guy who laid his full dresser Goldwing on a mattress on the right side and the rear tire was allowed to come off the hub. My rear Dunlop junk is getting a Michelin Pilot 4 and I would like to try this. Any opinions would be greatly appreciated!!!

[hubcapsc]

My opinion is that I aint gonna do it.

My current plan is to build a wooden lift adapter that touches
the shock link and either the bottom of the motor and/or the
engine crash guards. If that goes well, then buy a stiff aluminum sears
motorcycle jack and lift her up. Since it is just a plan, it might not
work out.

When they put my pr4gt on the back I watched them, and they supported
the rear of the bike using the shock link, and I liked it. That leaves the wheel
unobstructed so you can exploit the single sided swingarm...

-Mike

[Jack B]

I also saw video's of laying the bike on it's side and I wouldn't do it. It's not too bad taking the wheel off with the center stand. You have to remove the back plate and black box behind that and it will come out. But I was also think of lifting the bike up to do it. Maybe some 2x6's and build a platform where you can remove the back so the tire will come off easier. But then you have to find a place to store the platform.

[Robert]

I dont think I will do it but it will probably work but most of the wings I have seen use the standard motorcycle jack and just lift it the same way as the 1500. Yes the jack does use the headers to steady it but many have done it this way and it seems to work ok. I will have to try it because I am going to change the tires at some date.

[hubcapsc]

I also saw video's of laying the bike on it's side and I wouldn't do it. It's not too bad taking the wheel off with the center stand. You have to remove the back plate and black box behind that and it will come out. But I was also think of lifting the bike up to do it. Maybe some 2x6's and build a platform where you can remove the back so the tire will come off easier. But then you have to find a place to store the platform.

My wheel's way up in there... to exploit the ease of the single-sided
swingarm, I believe I'll have to jack it up pretty high to get
the wheel out...



They had a good setup for jacking the bike up high at the Murfreesboro
Honda shop and they quickly took off nothing but the wheel...

-Mike

[Jess from VA]

Assuming you could make it work for a tire change, wouldn't there be a problem with gas and oil?

[rusty]

this might be a little to much, and i wish i could post a picture to see better.  my garage has an open ceiling.... so i chained a chain pull to truss, and hoisted my bike out of truck when i brought it home. i plain on doing this to front ... and or back when time comes to change tires. same as with my 1520 valk. works great. front end -strap around engine guard and lift only front, back end- around back side by passenger foot pegs.

[hubcapsc]

If your truss is plenty strong, that's a good way to deal with it. Frank
Smoak does that to his Valkyrie, he has an engineered aluminum
sort of dome type building as a work shop, you could probably
lift a truck on its trusses...

-Mike

[dans2014]

That's a great idea. I'll hoist it up with an engine hoist attached to the rear foot pegs and pull the rear tire off in my shop. If it fails, i'll blame you ha ha !!!!

[wiggydotcom]

I don't have a new Valk but have the F6b. I will definitely lay it over on it's side to take the wheel off. Doing it this way, the wheel "should" be off in 10-15 minutes. But as of now, I only have about 2600 miles on my 2013. Got it about 8 weeks ago.

[rusty]

i think if the f6c touches the ground like that (on the side) you'll have to burn it. 

[hungryeye]

I don't need new tars yet. but when I do, unless a better method comes up, I'll use my center stand and remove front tire 1st, then place a jack stand under each side engine guards, then jack up on shock with short bottle jack being careful not to let the forward weight slide on jack stands, may have to secure the jack stands somehow. Not certain if this will work to lift high enough but worth a try.

[hubcapsc]

I don't need new tars yet. but when I do, unless a better method comes up, I'll use my center stand and remove front tire 1st, then place a jack stand under each side engine guards, then jack up on shock with short bottle jack being careful not to let the forward weight slide on jack stands, may have to secure the jack stands somehow. Not certain if this will work to lift high enough but worth a try.

The instructions in the Honda shop manual include taking off the rear
fender... not hard, I needed to do it to install the Corbin bags.

If you follow the Honda shop manual instructions, your method sounds to
me as if it could work fine.

If you want to jack it up high enough so that you only need to remove the
six nuts on the hub and drop the wheel out (ie - take full advantage
of the single sided swingarm) it might be scary to jack it up high
enough with your plan.

I have never jacked my new Valkyrie up yet, so I'm just trying to imagine
how it will be, not speaking from experience yet...

-Mike

[_Sheffjs_]

My opinion is that I aint gonna do it.

My current plan is to build a wooden lift adapter that touches
the shock link and either the bottom of the motor and/or the
engine crash guards. If that goes well, then buy a stiff aluminum sears
motorcycle jack and lift her up. Since it is just a plan, it might not
work out.

When they put my pr4gt on the back I watched them, and they supported
the rear of the bike using the shock link, and I liked it. That leaves the wheel
unobstructed so you can exploit the single sided swingarm...

-Mike

You did not happen take a picture of this setup the Honda shop used???

[_Sheffjs_]

Question: What happens with the GW gas and oil when they tip it on thier sides to cahnge the tire?

If it was a new valk with no side bags, what are the possible issues if laying it on the side to change the tire? Thoughts?

I wonder about hurting the rear fender.
Gas/Oil.

I see the full wing uses the center stand to go far enough to get the tire off the ground for removal.

I have concerns using the side however it cant fall off anything.  Hummm!

Last,
would you do it in an emergency?   

This is a good thread for sure.

[hubcapsc]

You did not happen take a picture of this setup the Honda shop used???

No. It was real simple, but not something we could do.

They have a single rail (like the rail on a trailer) motorcycle lift, I believe it
was actuated by a hydraulic pole like car lifts in a garage.

They rolled the motorcycle onto it, but left the rear wheel off.

They put a little jack on the rail to support the shock pivot, and lifted
the rear wheel a tiny bit off the floor.

Then they raised the single rail jack all the way up and easily removed
just my wheel from up inside the bags...

-Mike

[hungryeye]

The harbor freight lift table used to have a section at rear that you remove to drop the tire, you would roll the bike on the table, put bike on center stand then remove the table section from under rear tire. hubcaps description of the Honda method reminded me of this.

[goldstar903]

I was lucky to come upon this air lift table with front wheel vise, rear drop out table, and center scissor jack. They also sell it with a front drop out table!
A fellow was going through a divorce and his wife was going for both of his harleys and motorcycle lift. I saw it for sale on Cr444list. I thought the asking price was a typo. Nope, he told me that if I came and picked it up before his wife got home from work, he would sell me the lift table, front wheel vise and center scissor jack for $175! He said, the hell with her! 

http://www.handyindustries.com/products/sam-1000-air-lift
http://www.handyindustries.com/products/universal-scissor-jack
http://www.handyindustries.com/products/cv-17-cycle-vise

They also carry this which collapses down to 4 1/2" for around $350 (holds 1500lb.)
http://www.handyindustries.com/products/jack-360

[hungryeye]

The Handy Lift is one of the best for sure and yours was a bargain. but the Harbor Freight one is only about $300 for the hydro lift, I had a used air lift that worked perfect but after a couple years it just kept getting in the way. I regretfully sold it.

[hubcapsc]

I'm hoping for the best with this aluminum sears jack - $180 or so... and an
adapter I'll make...



The forks on my old sagged-out cheapo jack aren't even
level anymore when I lift my 1500 Valkyrie with it... but I take the rear
fender section off and only lift it an inch or so, the wheel comes out easy
then.

If the aluminum sears jack is as stiff an nice as people say, it will probably
lift my 1800 high enough to do the job without making me nervous...

I think the biggest question is: can I make a suitable adapter?

-Mike

[goldstar903]

These are viable options:

http://www.harborfreight.com/1500-lb-Capacity-ATV-Motorcycle-Lift-60636.html

http://www.harborfreight.com/1500-lb-Capacity-ATVMotorcycle-Lift-60536.html

http://www.harborfreight.com/high-position-motorcycle-lift-99887.html


I was planning on purchasing this lift below but, because of the angular lift it took up too much room in the down position. I also think that a scissor jack is much safer.

http://www.harborfreight.com/1000-lb-capacity-motorcycle-lift-68892-8495.html

[hungryeye]

The one you say is angular lift is the one I had in air over hydro. it sits flat on the floor. the thing in back is a ramp that lifts off, table is about 6 inches off ground when fully lowered, you can run a bike on it for parking. That table used to be $199 just a few years ago. But you can use a 20% off coupon with it.

[hubcapsc]

These are viable options:

Only for people with floors...



-Mike

[goldstar903]

Nothing that a few bags of concrete couldn't fix?

[goldstar903]

That table used to be $199 just a few years ago. But you can use a 20% off coupon with it

Good luck to you. 

[hubcapsc]

Nothing that a few bags of concrete couldn't fix?

I poured the walls, built the house, built the barn, built the horse fences...

-Mike "there's too much to do all at once..."

[goldstar903]

You forgot the floor!  Heck, if I lived closer I'd lend a hand! Unfortunately, I live in California! 

[hungryeye]

That table used to be $199 just a few years ago. But you can use a 20% off coupon with it

Good luck to you. 

Why would that sound so ridiculous to you that it would make you roll your eyes?

[goldstar903]

Hubcapsc, Harbor Freight has the 1500 lb. ATV/Motorcycle Lift (like Sears) for:

Sale: $89.99
Only $69.99 with coupon #26535238

http://www.harborfreight.com/1500-lb-Capacity-ATVMotorcycle-Lift-61632.html

[goldstar903]

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That table used to be $199 just a few years ago. But you can use a 20% off coupon with it

Good luck to you.  Roll Eyes

Why would that sound so ridiculous to you that it would make you roll your eyes?

I roll my eyes because the MSRP of that lift is $699. It has been for a very long time. I have received the Harbor Freight toolpaper for a very long time. I have never seen the lift go for less than $427.

[hubcapsc]

Hubcapsc, Harbor Freight has the 1500 lb. ATV/Motorcycle Lift (like Sears) for:

Sale: $89.99
Only $69.99 with coupon #26535238

http://www.harborfreight.com/1500-lb-Capacity-ATVMotorcycle-Lift-61632.html

I have a "normal" Sears lift... probably like the harborfreight one...

The aluminum Sears lift is supposed to be extra special stiff,
maybe won't sag... the forks on my other lift are no longer even
level when the bike is lifted... since I want to lift the 1800 a foot and
a half or so, I want to be confident... the aluminum Sears lift might
give me confidence and be sufficiently sturdy...

-Mike

[hungryeye]

Quote
That table used to be $199 just a few years ago. But you can use a 20% off coupon with it

Good luck to you.  Roll Eyes

Why would that sound so ridiculous to you that it would make you roll your eyes?

I roll my eyes because the MSRP of that lift is $699. It has been for a very long time. I have received the Harbor Freight toolpaper for a very long time. I have never seen the lift go for less than $427.

$199 on sale was back around 05-08. list may have been $299. That was manual hydro lift, the air over hydro was about $100 more, I had a near new used I paid $200, kept about 2 years sold for $200.

[goldstar903]

Nice.

[rusty]

goldstar , just checked out the add , and looks like a great deal. i think i'll go get one. thanks for the post

[goldstar903]

Rusty, I hope it works out for you.