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« on: September 22, 2009, 01:54:21 PM » |
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Are there any markings on the rear wheel to identify what year the wheel is? I've got a spare wheel and I'd like to know if there is going to be a problem before I try to put it on.
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« Reply #1 on: September 22, 2009, 02:01:48 PM » |
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If I can recall...
The I/S have Concave rivets
And Tourers have Convect rivets
On the rotor part...
But sorry I don't know if you can tell the years....
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« Reply #2 on: September 22, 2009, 02:49:07 PM » |
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I don't have a rotor on the spare wheel but I don't believe it's an I/S wheel. It's an unpolished rim. Inside the hub there is a circle with 96/1 in it. Is this marking significant? Is it a manufacturing date? When I darkside this rim, I'd like to know before I mount the wheel if I need to shim the rotor.
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« Reply #3 on: September 22, 2009, 03:36:19 PM » |
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I do not believe there is any variation in the wheel portion from year to year or model to model. Once you start bolting up a rotor thats when some parts need to match or they wont work
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« Reply #4 on: September 22, 2009, 05:41:13 PM » |
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The wheels are all interchangeable. Differences: In 2000 and later, the rotor was different and the alignment with the caliper was off a bit. In 2001, all the wheels were polished and the area behind the rotors were just a cast surface. If you use your old rotor on the new wheel, you'll be fine.
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« Reply #5 on: September 22, 2009, 06:25:57 PM » |
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I would get the new rotor bolt ...
I replaced my bolts when I put new rotors on mine Valk @ 100k
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« Reply #6 on: September 25, 2009, 03:09:06 PM » |
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The whole point of this is figuring it out before you try to install the wheel on the bike not after you install it and find out it is incompatible.
Sandy, thanks for the info. Just to make sure I understand what you're saying. If your bike is a '97-'99, use the old style rotor and bolts. '00-'03, use the new style.
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« Reply #7 on: September 25, 2009, 06:30:55 PM » |
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The whole point of this is figuring it out before you try to install the wheel on the bike not after you install it and find out it is incompatible.
Sandy, thanks for the info. Just to make sure I understand what you're saying. If your bike is a '97-'99, use the old style rotor and bolts. '00-'03, use the new style.
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« Reply #8 on: September 26, 2009, 10:50:26 AM » |
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U probably have this figured out by now! But the old wheel has a 1J in front of the wheel size part# located on the rough casting of rotor side, where as the newer wheels have a 2J to start. Just a note! a ST1300 rotor will fit the old wheel also. 99 Int has the new wheel.
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« Reply #9 on: September 28, 2009, 01:47:36 PM » |
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U probably have this figured out by now! But the old wheel has a 1J in front of the wheel size part# located on the rough casting of rotor side, where as the newer wheels have a 2J to start. Just a note! a ST1300 rotor will fit the old wheel also. 99 Int has the new wheel.
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« Reply #10 on: September 30, 2009, 01:17:45 PM » |
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I have a rear wheel from a 2000 w/ the brake rotor on it( recessed bolts). I just want to make sure I understand in this post. If I want to install this wheel on my 97 standard I need to
change the rotor on the 2000 wheel to the rotor that's on my 97 wheel for it to fit properly.
I'm new to Valks and don't want to screw anything up. Thanks....
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« Reply #11 on: September 30, 2009, 03:44:05 PM » |
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I have an IS and the rotors are different between the IS and the Standards and Tourers but it will work and on my IS the bolts were recessed but now they are not I have a Standard Tourer rotor on the rear now just shimmed the rotor with 8mm washers and the bolts are on top no clearance issues whatsoever. Just wanted to put that out there...
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« Reply #12 on: September 30, 2009, 05:31:18 PM » |
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I'm pretty sure no matter what year wheel! if you have the oem rotor for the wheel it will fit fine on any!
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« Reply #13 on: September 30, 2009, 09:35:44 PM » |
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My understanding is that if you use the rotor that came with the wheel, it will fit all models, all years. You only get in trouble if you mix and match, ie a 2001 wheel with a 98 rotor will have problems.
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« Reply #14 on: October 01, 2009, 05:37:22 AM » |
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Well in my case the rotor had cracks in it and more than one I might add was not pretty I used a Standard Tourer rotor and shimmed it out and all was good  |
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« Reply #15 on: October 05, 2009, 01:39:03 PM » |
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I'm pretty sure no matter what year wheel! if you have the oem rotor for the wheel it will fit fine on any!
No. The rotor has to match the year of the bike. For example, if you try to install an '01 wheel on a '97 with the '01 rotor, you will have to shim the rotor so it won't hit the caliper mount. If you install a '97 rotor on the '01 wheel, you won't have a problem. |
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« Reply #16 on: October 05, 2009, 01:42:15 PM » |
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My understanding is that if you use the rotor that came with the wheel, it will fit all models, all years. You only get in trouble if you mix and match, ie a 2001 wheel with a 98 rotor will have problems.
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Read Sandy's post above. The match of bike year to wheel year isn't important, the bike year to rotor year is. |
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« Reply #17 on: October 05, 2009, 03:54:57 PM » |
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Sounds good to me. Thanks.
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« Reply #18 on: October 05, 2009, 05:20:06 PM » |
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« Reply #19 on: October 05, 2009, 09:07:16 PM » |
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Yeah, and we just had 6" or so of wet snow!
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« Reply #20 on: May 06, 2010, 04:40:19 PM » |
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Well, after reading all the above, I just put a 01 interstate polished wheel on my 97 standard. I took the rotor off the wheel that came off the 97, working fine for 30,000 miles, and put it on the 01 wheel.
I then put the 01 wheel, with the 97 rotor, etc. on the bike. It does not fit! The rotor is too far in. The inside pad is all the way toward the wheel, and the outer pad in in the middle. The rotor is too far toward the wheel. It rubs hard.
Do I need to take it off, and put the 01 IS rotor on? That is what it looks like.
That would be contrary to the posts above, who said to keep the rotor with the bike, not the wheel.
Ideas?
Thank you.
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« Reply #21 on: May 06, 2010, 04:47:55 PM » |
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Have you tried putting '01 rotor back on the polished wheel?
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« Reply #22 on: May 06, 2010, 04:50:31 PM » |
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That is what I mentioned above that it looked like I needed to do. That is contrary to what you posted earlier, though. That is why I am asking if anything else to look at.
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« Reply #23 on: May 06, 2010, 04:51:36 PM » |
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I'm pretty sure no matter what year wheel! if you have the oem rotor for the wheel it will fit fine on any!
No. The rotor has to match the year of the bike. For example, if you try to install an '01 wheel on a '97 with the '01 rotor, you will have to shim the rotor so it won't hit the caliper mount. If you install a '97 rotor on the '01 wheel, you won't have a problem. This is what you posted after I said the rotor should match the year of the wheel. MP |
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« Reply #24 on: May 06, 2010, 04:59:54 PM » |
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If you read earlier in the thread you'll read where I was told that. I'm the one who started this thread asking the question of determining getting the correct rotor.
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« Reply #25 on: May 06, 2010, 05:00:50 PM » |
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The wheels are all interchangeable. Differences: In 2000 and later, the rotor was different and the alignment with the caliper was off a bit. In 2001, all the wheels were polished and the area behind the rotors were just a cast surface. If you use your old rotor on the new wheel, you'll be fine.
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« Reply #26 on: May 06, 2010, 05:02:13 PM » |
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My understanding is that if you use the rotor that came with the wheel, it will fit all models, all years. You only get in trouble if you mix and match, ie a 2001 wheel with a 98 rotor will have problems.
MP
Read Sandy's post above. The match of bike year to wheel year isn't important, the bike year to rotor year is. And here's my earlier response to you. Marty |
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« Reply #27 on: May 06, 2010, 06:39:07 PM » |
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Well, can anyone say for sure about the rotors, bike years and wheels? I have an '01 Interstate and want to buy an extra rear wheel, but with all the confusion about rotors not fitting on bikes, etc, I do not know if I should try and buy a 2001 or newer wheel and a 2001 or newer rotor. Does anyone know the facts about this?
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« Reply #28 on: May 06, 2010, 08:01:11 PM » |
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I am not sure if there is a clear cut rule becauase I thought I understood it several times now and still got it wrong. Here is my experience and it was just resolved tonight. I have a 97 standard. I bought 2000 wheels and had them polished. I bought a 99 rotor becauase I thought I needed the recessed bolt style rotor to work with the 2000 wheel. The rotor turned out to be too far outboard and rubbed on the caliper. After talking to X Ring today I tried the 97 rotor on the 2000 wheel and all is fine. (Having never taken my wheels off before I am really good at it now) I am still confused as to the rule but I give up and I am rolling again and that all that matters now. Thanks for the advice X Ring......Mike
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« Reply #29 on: May 06, 2010, 08:20:41 PM » |
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I give up. I have heard it both ways. I have seen it work both ways. I guess it is just what fits. Try one, if not, put the other one on.
I took the 01 wheel and rotor off, put a 97 wheel on, and put the 01 rotor on it, worked fine on that bike. Then took that 01 wheel, put the 97 rotor on it, put it on the 97, and will not work? WTF?
I guess go out, pull it all off in the AM, and put the 01 rotor on. Cannot understand why I can go one way with one, and have to do the other with the other one?
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« Reply #30 on: May 06, 2010, 08:58:16 PM » |
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I give up. I have heard it both ways. I have seen it work both ways. I guess it is just what fits. Try one, if not, put the other one on.
I took the 01 wheel and rotor off, put a 97 wheel on, and put the 01 rotor on it, worked fine on that bike. Then took that 01 wheel, put the 97 rotor on it, put it on the 97, and will not work? WTF?
I guess go out, pull it all off in the AM, and put the 01 rotor on. Cannot understand why I can go one way with one, and have to do the other with the other one?
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Kinda got me wondering. 97 thru 99 standard and tourer took same wheel and rotor. All Interstate and 2000 up models took all the same rim and rotors. Now what does this mean  I guess when I buy a extra rim if one rotor doesn't work get the other. I know I'm running a different back rim. The one I had when I traded for chrome rims had the bolt on the outside. The chrome one has the recessed head. I do know the rotor doesn't look the same as my 98 model. Be what heck it doesn't rub. David |
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« Reply #31 on: May 07, 2010, 01:49:47 AM » |
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I am not sure if there is a clear cut rule becauase I thought I understood it several times now and still got it wrong. Here is my experience and it was just resolved tonight. I have a 97 standard. I bought 2000 wheels and had them polished. I bought a 99 rotor becauase I thought I needed the recessed bolt style rotor to work with the 2000 wheel. The rotor turned out to be too far outboard and rubbed on the caliper. After talking to X Ring today I tried the 97 rotor on the 2000 wheel and all is fine. (Having never taken my wheels off before I am really good at it now) I am still confused as to the rule but I give up and I am rolling again and that all that matters now. Thanks for the advice X Ring......Mike
Mike, After reading MP's posts I was concerned about the advice I gave you. I'm everything worked out for you. It seems that conventional wisdom on this is iffy. Maybe we can figure it out so no one else has to go through this. Marty |
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« Reply #32 on: May 07, 2010, 05:30:38 AM » |
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I am not sure if there is a clear cut rule becauase I thought I understood it several times now and still got it wrong. Here is my experience and it was just resolved tonight. I have a 97 standard. I bought 2000 wheels and had them polished. I bought a 99 rotor becauase I thought I needed the recessed bolt style rotor to work with the 2000 wheel. The rotor turned out to be too far outboard and rubbed on the caliper. After talking to X Ring today I tried the 97 rotor on the 2000 wheel and all is fine. (Having never taken my wheels off before I am really good at it now) I am still confused as to the rule but I give up and I am rolling again and that all that matters now. Thanks for the advice X Ring......Mike
Mike, After reading MP's posts I was concerned about the advice I gave you. I'm everything worked out for you. It seems that conventional wisdom on this is iffy. Maybe we can figure it out so no one else has to go through this. Marty And, that would be the exact opposite of what I am finding, doing the same thing! Something is screwy, but not sure what. I guess, just be prepared to do either way, because you cannot figure it out ahead of time. MP |
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« Reply #33 on: May 07, 2010, 05:56:55 AM » |
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« Reply #35 on: May 07, 2010, 07:01:13 AM » |
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Here let me confuse you some more LOL the Interstates mine is a 99 had the late model rotors "ie" they are not undercut and the bolts are "flush". Now for the fun part  I used my wheel and the early model rotor did not change anything except the rotor all I did was shim the rotor up with 8mm washers has worked great for almost a year and counting |
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« Reply #37 on: May 07, 2010, 08:10:55 AM » |
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Maybe by looking at the bolt side of the rotor gives you some clue but it is the mounting surface (the backside) that is the controlling factor in rotor location.
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« Reply #39 on: May 07, 2010, 09:06:45 AM » |
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OK. I just put the 01 rotor back on the 01 wheel, and all fits fine on my 97 bike.
So, I guess I go back to what I originally thought, and said here, until "corrected".
Keep the rotor with the wheel.
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