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« on: July 06, 2016, 04:41:07 AM »

No joke
I need help to understand some reason why the FBI said

The email server was in her home Illegally
she compromised the identities of agents across the world
she had top secret emails on her server that the Russians and Chinese hacked into
She was rebellious and didn't follow state dept regs
The whole State dept knew and was culpable under this.

All of the above the FBI said she did, yet no indictment

I can not understand for the life of me why she is not in jail or at least arrested. I am looking for some reason as to why she is not. I am not looking for an argument or debate but the reason has to make sense. The only reason I can now come up with is cronies, pay offs or corruption.

The only other reason is what Trump said Lorette Lynch would be the one prosecuting her and that is the reason she is not being indited because of this corruption. So many the FBI has indicted for less and brought before the Grand Jury why not let them decide.
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« Reply #1 on: July 06, 2016, 05:07:17 AM »

My question above stands but I wanted to include the follow highlights from the FBI speech

 The referral focused on whether classified information was transmitted on that personal system.

Secretary Clinton used several different servers and administrators of those servers during her four years at the State Department, and used numerous mobile devices to view and send email on that personal domain. As new servers and equipment were employed, older servers were taken out of service, stored, and decommissioned in various ways.

F.B.I. investigators have also read all of the approximately 30,000 emails provided by Secretary Clinton to the State Department in December 2014.

From the group of 30,000 emails returned to the State Department, 110 emails in 52 email chains have been determined by the owning agency to contain classified information at the time they were sent or received. Eight of those chains contained information that was Top Secret at the time they were sent; 36 chains contained Secret information at the time; and eight contained Confidential information, which is the lowest level of classification. Separate from those, about 2,000 additional emails were “up-classified” to make them Confidential; the information in those had not been classified at the time the emails were sent.

The F.B.I. also discovered several thousand work-related emails that were not in the group of 30,000


The lawyers doing the sorting for Secretary Clinton in 2014 did not individually read the content of all of her emails, as we did for those available to us; instead, they relied on header information and used search terms to try to find all work-related emails among the reportedly more than 60,000 total emails remaining on Secretary Clinton’s personal system in 2014.

For example, seven email chains concern matters that were classified at the Top Secret/Special Access Program level when they were sent and received. These chains involved Secretary Clinton both sending emails about those matters and receiving emails from others about the same matters. There is evidence to support a conclusion that any reasonable person in Secretary Clinton’s position, or in the position of those government employees with whom she was corresponding about these matters, should have known that an unclassified system was no place for that conversation


We do assess that hostile actors gained access to the private commercial email accounts of people with whom Secretary Clinton was in regular contact from her personal account

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/06/us/transcript-james-comey-hillary-clinton-emails.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=a-lede-package-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news
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« Reply #2 on: July 06, 2016, 05:27:52 AM »

You answered your own question CORRUPTION. That and no balls in the FBI.
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« Reply #3 on: July 06, 2016, 05:50:24 AM »

I've said all along that she would NEVER be indicted, simply because of who she is. She will also win the presidency for the same reason. Reasoning, common law, and common sense in this country went out the window eight years ago. We are F*%@ked.  Angry
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« Reply #4 on: July 06, 2016, 06:20:15 AM »

The fix is in!  Obama was installed as POTUS under questionable circumstances.  Even his oath was questionable.  He broke several laws and should have been impeached.  He wasn't because the system is owned by the people that installed him.  That same machine will now do the same for the Hildabeast.

Republican/Democrat makes no difference they are most all dirty and "bought"  The bad guys own the system and until we change that were doomed.

Another huge problem is the Federal Government has put their filthy paws on school curriculum
long enough now that they have taught our kids that socialism is a good thing so even if our vote mattered (at this point I doubt it does) the upcoming generation is not going to vote for liberty and justice and the constitution, they are going to vote for more free stuff
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« Reply #5 on: July 06, 2016, 06:22:01 AM »

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« Reply #6 on: July 06, 2016, 06:52:26 AM »

Drip, drip, drip
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« Reply #7 on: July 06, 2016, 08:01:00 AM »

No joke
I need help to understand some reason why the FBI said

The email server was in her home Illegally
she compromised the identities of agents across the world
she had top secret emails on her server that the Russians and Chinese hacked into
She was rebellious and didn't follow state dept regs
The whole State dept knew and was culpable under this.

All of the above the FBI said she did, yet no indictment
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Your information and the FBI's are contradictory in regard to hacking.  The FBI says there was no evidence of hacking but then qualkifies thatit could likely not tell if it had happen.  You stated that the FBI said the Russians and Chinese had hacked?

I'd be careful on insisting that everyone who breaks a law be indicted.  A report I read at one time said the laws are so complkex that any one of us could be found to be in violation on an average of six times per day.

I don't think she's innocent.  I do think she has demonstrated an inability to trustfully handle secret government information.  She has certainly demonstrated she is unfit for high government office.  I'm not surprised or particularly disappointed that she's not charged.  I will be disappointed if she's elected.  The disappointment will center mostly, though, on the voting American public rather than on Hillary Clinton.  She is what she is.  That she has been accommodated as she has been is not just her fault.  It is the fault of our government itself and of our culture.   
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« Reply #8 on: July 06, 2016, 09:49:15 AM »

No joke
I need help to understand some reason why the FBI said

The email server was in her home Illegally
she compromised the identities of agents across the world
she had top secret emails on her server that the Russians and Chinese hacked into
She was rebellious and didn't follow state dept regs
The whole State dept knew and was culpable under this.

All of the above the FBI said she did, yet no indictment
...


Your information and the FBI's are contradictory in regard to hacking.  The FBI says there was no evidence of hacking but then qualifies that it could likely not tell if it had happen.  You stated that the FBI said the Russians and Chinese had hacked?

I'd be careful on insisting that everyone who breaks a law be indicted.  A report I read at one time said the laws are so complex that any one of us could be found to be in violation on an average of six times per day.

I don't think she's innocent.  I do think she has demonstrated an inability to trustfully handle secret government information.  She has certainly demonstrated she is unfit for high government office.  I'm not surprised or particularly disappointed that she's not charged.  I will be disappointed if she's elected.  The disappointment will center mostly, though, on the voting American public rather than on Hillary Clinton.  She is what she is.  That she has been accommodated as she has been is not just her fault.  It is the fault of our government itself and of our culture.   


As always well said and I don't disagree with the points you made but here is some info that you may not have and obviously the FBI didn't want to release. This is from many sources and I am quoting only one.

   As for arresting everyone, no not really, just one and this is a public office that she held and is running for. The standard for offenses should be higher and not lower than the general public. It would seem the FBI gave many reasons for arrest and quite frankly I am tired seeing much lesser offenses performed by people with much less clout getting the max of the law thrown at them just for surviving. If we make one person an example then we may see less corruption in government. This is done among the commoners all the time so why not those in power? If she is not prosecuted then it gives the green light to much more of this type of behavior. So I ask you when does it stop? Cops are brought up on charges all the time like in Freddy Gray case. It was the people screaming injustice that got the cops indited so why should we not scream here?

Do you remember this?
On April 23, 2015, Petraeus pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor charge of mishandling classified materials. He was given a two-year probationary period and a fine of $100,000.

I would be happy with something like that for Hillary not just an apology.

http://www.thepoliticalinsider.com/breaking-hillary-just-received-worst-news-emails-putin-smiling/


Now, we’re just about to find out how serious Hillary Clinton’s crimes were!

Russia’s Kremlin now has in their possession at least private 20,000 emails from Hillary Clinton’s poorly protected server, and they are debating if they should be released.

Recently separate reports have come out noting that Guccifer had indeed hacked Clinton’s emails. Now according to this latest report, Clinton’s server was not only compromised by Guccifer but also by Russia. Guccifer told FOX News last week that he hacked Hillary’s homebrew server and so did at least 10 others.

These emails contain sensitive data, and could incriminate Hillary Clinton by detailing just how she used the Clinton Foundation to accept bribes from foreign governments.
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« Reply #9 on: July 06, 2016, 11:56:38 AM »

Well now, if Putin means America maximum harm, and greater global instability, he should not release them. (the investigation will stand)

If he want's to be a good neighbor, he should release them.  (the investigation might resume)

His timing of this news release, just after the FBI punt, is interesting.  You don't think they just discovered this do you?

They stumbled onto these messages while monitoring Romanian computer hacker Lazăr Lehel, who is better known as “Guccifer.  Of course old Guccifer just hung himself in a VA jail.  Putin better watch his back.


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« Reply #10 on: July 06, 2016, 12:03:09 PM »

One of the main problems is that if the FBI goes after her, then they would have to go after others....

Many senators, congressmen, and others in the government are and have been doing some of the same things... mainly because they want to have multiple devices, or better accessibility... originally many of the government systems only supported Blackberry and Windows, of course people had to have iPhones and Macs, so they got outside help so they could use them..... gotta have the new toys!

Many other reasons that private servers and unauthorized phones have been and are being used... Thats one of the reasons it was a big deal when Obama wanted to have an iPhone... the gov. systems had to be upgraded so he could have it... even then it had to be limited and blocked from certain things...... a lot of his aids had to carry Blackberrys to keep him up to date... Same thing with her, she had both.

It was just announce recently that the government was discontinuing the Black berry as the Gov Standard and now will support android and OS systems.... even though the Blackberry has been technically dead for a few years.... and because nobody was using it anymore and causing some of  these issues that Hildabeast got caught for...

I went thru the same thing at the hospital I worked for.. all of our phones were Blackberrys and when the iPhone came out ALL the Docs went out and got them and were then pissed they couldn't text and get their email..... the IT department then scrambled and got it updated 6 months later.....

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« Reply #11 on: July 06, 2016, 01:06:43 PM »

All this and more was already known below is excerpts from an article

The Coming Constitutional Crisis Over Hillary Clinton’s EmailGate

By John R. Schindler • 06/15/16 10:25am

http://observer.com/2016/06/the-coming-constitutional-crisis-over-hillary-clintons-emailgate/

leaves no doubt that Hillary Clinton systematically dodged a raft of laws and regulations on the keeping of Federal records and the handling of classified information.

Worse, the IG report leaves no doubt that Clinton has lied profligately about EmailGate from the moment the scandal broke over a year ago.

It’s difficult to see how the FBI can ignore such an obvious violation of the law.

 It also may be a violation of the Intelligence Identities Protection Act, a 1982 law that featured prominently in the mid-aughts scandal surrounding CIA officer Valerie Plame, which so captivated the mainstream media. More recently, former CIA officer John Kiriakou spent two years in Federal prison for violating this law.

Therefore the recent statement by Julian Assange, head of Wikileaks, that his organization plans to release more of Clinton’s emails should not be dismissed out of hand. Although Assange is prone to flights of fancy, Wikileaks has long served as a front for Russian intelligence, as Western security services are well aware, so it may not be fantasy that he could get his hands on more of Hillary’s emails. It would be supremely ironic if the Kremlin demolishes Hillary Clinton’s presidential aspirations thanks to her own neglect of basic communications security when she was secretary of state.

John Schindler is a security expert and former National Security Agency analyst and counterintelligence officer. A specialist in espionage and terrorism, he’s also been a Navy officer and a War College professor. He’s published four books and is on Twitter at @20committee.
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« Reply #12 on: July 06, 2016, 03:53:27 PM »

I agree it's not right, but..
If the FBI discovered the data had been compromised,  do you really think they would tip their hand before following up and doing damage control (if possible ) with those foreign parties?

In the interest of national security,  I can see them being less than transparent,  and in extreme perspective downplaying any breech of that level.

Again, I don't think it's right- but you are looking for an answer about why-
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« Reply #13 on: July 06, 2016, 07:24:24 PM »

Perhaps she can be prosecuted by another agency
(homeland security?) using the details of the FBI report

There surely is some smart senator or congressman
who is sufficiently nauseated by this to push it

I still think it comes under high crimes and treason and would if she was a republican as well

And to think Nixon resigned for 30 seconds of tape..........the irony
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« Reply #14 on: July 06, 2016, 07:49:03 PM »

And to think Nixon resigned for 30 seconds of tape..........the irony

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« Reply #15 on: July 06, 2016, 08:10:22 PM »

compare what HRC did with the emails to what tricky Dickie did and we should apologize to the Nixon family for defaming permanently their name while allowing the Clintons to remain like royalty.
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« Reply #16 on: July 06, 2016, 08:18:34 PM »

compare what HRC did with the emails to what tricky Dickie did and we should apologize to the Nixon family for defaming permanently their name while allowing the Clintons to remain like royalty.

I never liked Nixon but, you have a valid point.   Dick, I'm sorry for comparing you to someone worthy of the office.   You are/were much better that what we have ended up with.   

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« Reply #17 on: July 06, 2016, 08:34:15 PM »

My 14yr old asked me if these (two) are the best candidates America could come up with for the election?  He asked why we don't have guys like Teddy Roosevelt,  George Washington and Abe Lincoln to choose from?

I told him he makes a very valid point, and he shouldn't forget how he feels because he is right on the money.

But if only it were that simple
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« Reply #18 on: July 07, 2016, 02:17:36 AM »

Meanwhile, back in the real world.....

https://www.fbi.gov/sacramento/press-releases/2015/folsom-naval-reservist-is-sentenced-after-pleading-guilty-to-unauthorized-removal-and-retention-of-classified-materials#disablemobile

SACRAMENTO, CA—Bryan H. Nishimura, 50, of Folsom, pleaded guilty today to unauthorized removal and retention of classified materials, United States Attorney Benjamin B. Wagner announced.

U.S. Magistrate Judge Kendall J. Newman immediately sentenced Nishimura to two years of probation, a $7,500 fine, and forfeiture of personal media containing classified materials. Nishimura was further ordered to surrender any currently held security clearance and to never again seek such a clearance.

According to court documents, Nishimura was a Naval reservist deployed in Afghanistan in 2007 and 2008. In his role as a Regional Engineer for the U.S. military in Afghanistan.

The investigation did not reveal evidence that Nishimura intended to distribute classified information to unauthorized personnel.
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« Reply #19 on: July 07, 2016, 04:51:32 AM »

Meanwhile, back in the real world.....

https://www.fbi.gov/sacramento/press-releases/2015/folsom-naval-reservist-is-sentenced-after-pleading-guilty-to-unauthorized-removal-and-retention-of-classified-materials#disablemobile

SACRAMENTO, CA—Bryan H. Nishimura, 50, of Folsom, pleaded guilty today to unauthorized removal and retention of classified materials, United States Attorney Benjamin B. Wagner announced.

U.S. Magistrate Judge Kendall J. Newman immediately sentenced Nishimura to two years of probation, a $7,500 fine, and forfeiture of personal media containing classified materials. Nishimura was further ordered to surrender any currently held security clearance and to never again seek such a clearance.

According to court documents, Nishimura was a Naval reservist deployed in Afghanistan in 2007 and 2008. In his role as a Regional Engineer for the U.S. military in Afghanistan.

The investigation did not reveal evidence that Nishimura intended to distribute classified information to unauthorized personnel.


He should have told them he didn't mean to break the law.  Evidently if you do that, it's ok.

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« Reply #20 on: July 07, 2016, 04:24:26 PM »

PROSECUTOR: South Caroline Republican Rep. Trey Gowdy led the FBI's director through a lawyerly inquiry that resulted in declarations that Hillary Clinton lied about her classified emails

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3679380/Prosecutor-turned-congressman-leads-FBI-chief-damning-fact-check-Hillary-s-claims-classified-emails-AGREE-statements-false.html

HOT SEAT: FBI Director James Comey agreed that several of Clinton's statements were false in light of the facts his agency established


Have to watch Gowdy grilling FBI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dax8KvfPXPI

The Democrat's why Hillary should not be prosecuted and condemn the questions asked the FBI Director.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/07/07/watch_live_fbi_director_comey_testifies_on_hillary_clintons_handling_of_classified_info.html
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