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My take on tonight's debate.
Number one, it was great to have a moderator who showed no signs of bias.
Number two. Sadly we have no one running for office today who comes close to the intellect, wisdom and foresight of our founders. The best we can hope for is someone who will follow the path our founders set us upon and pray our country gets through these ugly times. The only way that happens is by appointing Supreme Court justices who will look to our founders intentions when interpreting law. Only the Supreme Court stands between us and having our freedoms voted away by idiots. Trump will select better justices in that regard.
Hillary avoided the question concerning the Constitution (living document or as intended) artfully while blowing pleasant colored smoke up our asses but Donald's answer was straight forward and to the point. He will appoint justices who will interpret our Constitution as our Founders intended.
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« Reply #1 on: October 19, 2016, 08:55:16 PM » |
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I also noticed Hillary dodging the living document portion of the Constitution question (first question, wasn't it?) and was very surprised Wallace or Trump didn't call her on it. Otherwise, good moderation and a much more issue oriented debate, which the people deserved.
Not much left for me ponder, so I completed my ballot tonight. Will get it the mail tomorrow.
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« Reply #2 on: October 19, 2016, 09:05:48 PM » |
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I was surprised also. Trump could have followed up with a dozen different points.
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« Reply #3 on: October 19, 2016, 09:57:29 PM » |
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Hillary crushed him on the abortion question
Trump crushed her on just about everything else
When caught in a lie Hillary puts out the megawatt smile
She smiled a lot.
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« Reply #4 on: October 19, 2016, 10:15:33 PM » |
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I also heard she crushed him on getting him to accept the democratic process of accepting the vote, of which is even making the headlines of Fox News. Even Fox News is appalled at the Donald's statement that he might not accept the vote and will 'wait and see'.
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« Reply #5 on: October 20, 2016, 03:34:23 AM » |
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I also heard she crushed him on getting him to accept the democratic process of accepting the vote, of which is even making the headlines of Fox News. Even Fox News is appalled at the Donald's statement that he might not accept the vote and will 'wait and see'.
I thought that was an odd question. If he had said yes then he couldn't have asked for recounts which could be a make or break in this election. Also, why wasn't Hillary also asked this question? If Trump had answered yes and Hillary wasn't asked the same question it would have meant that Hillary could request recounts where it might benefit her but Trump would be going back on his word if he did the same. I'm not saying it was a biased question, I was impressed with the fairness of the moderator. But, I do think it was a poorly thought out question.
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« Reply #6 on: October 20, 2016, 03:56:26 AM » |
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Hillary crushed him on the abortion question
Trump crushed her on just about everything else
When caught in a lie Hillary puts out the megawatt smile
She smiled a lot.
She did smile quite a bit last night. I didn't think she crushed him on abortion. She claims to be about caring for children, then before that she was concerned about the 50k toddlers that shoot themselves, but she isn't concerned with the number of abortions which are many times that number.
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« Reply #7 on: October 20, 2016, 04:10:38 AM » |
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I also heard she crushed him on getting him to accept the democratic process of accepting the vote, of which is even making the headlines of Fox News. Even Fox News is appalled at the Donald's statement that he might not accept the vote and will 'wait and see'.
All I'm going to say is "AL GORE".
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« Reply #8 on: October 20, 2016, 04:49:01 AM » |
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What I learned,.....
Hillary Clinton will NEVER give you the truth. Even when presented with overwhelming evidence, it will always be someone else's fault and just another way the Republicans are trying to get her.
You see, it's not the e-mails, or the bullshit in the e-mails, it's the Russian's fault for hacking them. Anyone and everyone whose job requires computer and e-mail use know very well that "e-mails never go away". We are trained and reminded every year on e-mail "etiquette". And it's still not the content, it's the hack?
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« Reply #9 on: October 20, 2016, 04:51:46 AM » |
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Hillary crushed him on the abortion question
Trump crushed her on just about everything else
When caught in a lie Hillary puts out the megawatt smile
She smiled a lot.
That's an "ax murderer" smile. Can't you just picture getting up to investigate a noise on a stormy night. Then, as you're going down the hall a brief flash of lightening illuminates a glittering ax held high and Hillary with that horrible smile holding it. I imagine even Stephen King would have trouble sleeping after seeing that smile.
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« Reply #10 on: October 20, 2016, 05:05:30 AM » |
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Hillary crushed him on the abortion question
Trump crushed her on just about everything else
When caught in a lie Hillary puts out the megawatt smile
She smiled a lot.
Hmm... I'm pro choice but I thought Trump handled himself pretty good on the abortion issue.
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« Reply #11 on: October 20, 2016, 06:16:08 AM » |
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Wow...only here, do people think Trump won that debate. Problem is, he is only able to maintain control over what comes out of his mouth, for about 30-40 minutes. Then he loses whatever small filter he has between his brain and mouth.
The math just won't work in his favor. He has pissed off women, blacks, hispanics and even the disabled. Hillary is distasteful enough, that had he not angered all those people, he could have counted on voter apathy. That would have cleared the way for his base to win the vote. But, he just had to poke those groups with a sharp stick and motivate them. It's over, folks.
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« Reply #12 on: October 20, 2016, 06:16:34 AM » |
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I also heard she crushed him on getting him to accept the democratic process of accepting the vote, of which is even making the headlines of Fox News. Even Fox News is appalled at the Donald's statement that he might not accept the vote and will 'wait and see'.
Yah, I found trumps comment really bad on not accepting the outcome basically in my eyes, telling the American public the democratic process is rigged in favor of Hillary all along. If close, at least he could say I will demand a recount or something like that and then state that will not happen since I expect to become the next President of this great country. To me, Trump comes off as a bully and if he does not get his way, he will do what it takes to get his way. I also REALLY HATE Hillarys fake smile, makes me sick just to look at her while she is doing that or for that matter, looking at her all together. Trumps sniffling was kept to a mininum at least?
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« Reply #13 on: October 20, 2016, 06:40:42 AM » |
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I also heard she crushed him on getting him to accept the democratic process of accepting the vote, of which is even making the headlines of Fox News. Even Fox News is appalled at the Donald's statement that he might not accept the vote and will 'wait and see'.
Yah, I found trumps comment really bad on not accepting the outcome basically in my eyes, telling the American public the democratic process is rigged in favor of Hillary all along. If close, at least he could say I will demand a recount or something like that and then state that will not happen since I expect to become the next President of this great country. To me, Trump comes off as a bully and if he does not get his way, he will do what it takes to get his way. I also REALLY HATE Hillarys fake smile, makes me sick just to look at her while she is doing that or for that matter, looking at her all together. Trumps sniffling was kept to a mininum at least? Have no problem with Trump's take on accepting the outcome of the election. He and his campaign have had to deal with: The DNC paying people to incite violence at Trump rallies. The DNC paying people to or who commit voter registration fraud. See a large, organized registration fraud attempts caught in the act in Indiana. An opponent willingly destroying emails in the face of a Congressional subpoena. Seeing past intimidation at the polls. The list goes on I believe Trump trusts the system but wants a verified trust. Given the climate of this election I would think it would be warranted. So, like Mr. Trump, my opinion of the election results will depend on what is seen on election day. Verified Trust.
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« Reply #14 on: October 20, 2016, 06:43:26 AM » |
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He just can't help himself. If he feels he's been insulted he goes berserk. The "such a nasty woman" comment put the last nail in the coffin. He needed to gain some female votes last night, instead I think he just lost more. I should have waited on making my electoral vote prediction. I'm afraid Baldo is going to have bragging rights now.
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« Reply #15 on: October 20, 2016, 07:22:17 AM » |
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He just can't help himself. If he feels he's been insulted he goes berserk. The "such a nasty woman" comment put the last nail in the coffin. He needed to gain some female votes last night, instead I think he just lost more. I should have waited on making my electoral vote prediction. I'm afraid Baldo is going to have bragging rights now.
My wife agrees with Trump's assessment of that woman.
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« Reply #16 on: October 20, 2016, 07:23:33 AM » |
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not making any predictions here,, could be embarrasing, and I am not saying for who
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« Reply #17 on: October 20, 2016, 07:24:18 AM » |
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Hillary crushed him on the abortion question
Trump crushed her on just about everything else
When caught in a lie Hillary puts out the megawatt smile
She smiled a lot.
That's an "ax murderer" smile. Can't you just picture getting up to investigate a noise on a stormy night. Then, as you're going down the hall a brief flash of lightening illuminates a glittering ax held high and Hillary with that horrible smile holding it. I imagine even Stephen King would have trouble sleeping after seeing that smile. Try the term "GHASTLY" for the rictus her face assumes!  RIDE SAFE.
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« Reply #18 on: October 20, 2016, 07:25:12 AM » |
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The comment she made about guns and todlers was just plain stupid
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« Reply #19 on: October 20, 2016, 07:37:24 AM » |
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She did smile quite a bit last night.
I didn't think she crushed him on abortion. She claims to be about caring for children, then before that she was concerned about the 50k toddlers that shoot themselves, but she isn't concerned with the number of abortions which are many times that number.
I didn't watch the event but 50,000 toddlers shoot themselves? Where does that number come from? I have heard news stories of three or four over many years. You would think a number of that magnitude would generate a lot of news stories.
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« Reply #20 on: October 20, 2016, 07:59:30 AM » |
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She did smile quite a bit last night.
I didn't think she crushed him on abortion. She claims to be about caring for children, then before that she was concerned about the 50k toddlers that shoot themselves, but she isn't concerned with the number of abortions which are many times that number.
I didn't watch the event but 50,000 toddlers shoot themselves? Where does that number come from? I have heard news stories of three or four over many years. You would think a number of that magnitude would generate a lot of news stories. Just another lie,, like she always does
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« Reply #21 on: October 20, 2016, 08:09:43 AM » |
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She did smile quite a bit last night.
I didn't think she crushed him on abortion. She claims to be about caring for children, then before that she was concerned about the 50k toddlers that shoot themselves, but she isn't concerned with the number of abortions which are many times that number.
I didn't watch the event but 50,000 toddlers shoot themselves? Where does that number come from? I have heard news stories of three or four over many years. You would think a number of that magnitude would generate a lot of news stories. I watched. But I must have nodded off during that part. I don't remember her saying anything about 50,000 toddler deaths.
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« Reply #22 on: October 20, 2016, 08:27:52 AM » |
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She did smile quite a bit last night.
I didn't think she crushed him on abortion. She claims to be about caring for children, then before that she was concerned about the 50k toddlers that shoot themselves, but she isn't concerned with the number of abortions which are many times that number.
I didn't watch the event but 50,000 toddlers shoot themselves? Where does that number come from? I have heard news stories of three or four over many years. You would think a number of that magnitude would generate a lot of news stories. I watched. But I must have nodded off during that part. I don't remember her saying anything about 50,000 toddler deaths. What she actually said was "dozens". Still stupid when you consider of all gun deaths what that percentage is. I cannot take someone seriously who talks about todler deaths when she is in favor of late term abortions. Sickening And the comment about the mothers health in jeapordy? Thats a very small fraction of why abortions happen.
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« Reply #23 on: October 20, 2016, 08:40:10 AM » |
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She did smile quite a bit last night.
I didn't think she crushed him on abortion. She claims to be about caring for children, then before that she was concerned about the 50k toddlers that shoot themselves, but she isn't concerned with the number of abortions which are many times that number.
I didn't watch the event but 50,000 toddlers shoot themselves? Where does that number come from? I have heard news stories of three or four over many years. You would think a number of that magnitude would generate a lot of news stories. I watched. But I must have nodded off during that part. I don't remember her saying anything about 50,000 toddler deaths. What she actually said was "dozens". Still stupid when you consider of all gun deaths what that percentage is. I cannot take someone seriously who talks about todler deaths when she is in favor of late term abortions. Sickening And the comment about the mothers health in jeapordy? Thats a very small fraction of why abortions happen. No doubt, she tried to "pivot" as they say nowadays. But dozens is a long ways from 50,000.
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« Reply #24 on: October 20, 2016, 08:50:22 AM » |
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She did smile quite a bit last night.
I didn't think she crushed him on abortion. She claims to be about caring for children, then before that she was concerned about the 50k toddlers that shoot themselves, but she isn't concerned with the number of abortions which are many times that number.
I didn't watch the event but 50,000 toddlers shoot themselves? Where does that number come from? I have heard news stories of three or four over many years. You would think a number of that magnitude would generate a lot of news stories. I watched. But I must have nodded off during that part. I don't remember her saying anything about 50,000 toddler deaths. What she actually said was "dozens". Still stupid when you consider of all gun deaths what that percentage is. I cannot take someone seriously who talks about todler deaths when she is in favor of late term abortions. Sickening And the comment about the mothers health in jeapordy? Thats a very small fraction of why abortions happen. No doubt, she tried to "pivot" as they say nowadays. But dozens is a long ways from 50,000. Wasn't me that said 50000 although that does not change my position one bit. I don't care if its one! Still to many
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« Reply #25 on: October 20, 2016, 08:55:08 AM » |
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Sorry Wizzard. Didn't mean to imply that you said that.
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« Reply #26 on: October 20, 2016, 09:42:01 AM » |
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I think this debate was the best debate of all three, both candidates were in the best form I've seen so far. I'm really convident that the American people will have the knowledge and the wisdom to choose the best candidate to be president. 
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« Reply #27 on: October 20, 2016, 09:49:22 AM » |
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She did smile quite a bit last night.
I didn't think she crushed him on abortion. She claims to be about caring for children, then before that she was concerned about the 50k toddlers that shoot themselves, but she isn't concerned with the number of abortions which are many times that number.
I didn't watch the event but 50,000 toddlers shoot themselves? Where does that number come from? I have heard news stories of three or four over many years. You would think a number of that magnitude would generate a lot of news stories. I watched. But I must have nodded off during that part. I don't remember her saying anything about 50,000 toddler deaths. What she actually said was "dozens". Still stupid when you consider of all gun deaths what that percentage is. I cannot take someone seriously who talks about todler deaths when she is in favor of late term abortions. Sickening And the comment about the mothers health in jeapordy? Thats a very small fraction of why abortions happen. That is why the argument that the GOP wants to control women's health, or the argument about reproductive rights, are so lame. Nobody is for a woman to risk her health or life for for the unborn, unless she chooses to do so. It has never been the argument and insurance companies have never NOT covered this, or we would have heard about that one for sure. And reproductive rights is a 180 degree turn from reality. Shouldn't it be the right to NOT produce. Women's health, not a problem, but late term abortions (or any term for many people), as a form of birth control is sickening and as a nation, we should be moving away, not further into that sickness. Yes, I know, it's an agonizing decision, yadda, yadda. If the woman put in just a little of that agonizing decision making process before having sex and protecting themselves up front, they would have to agonize so much later on. And yes, birth control can fail, rape, incest, etc......... also a very, very small fraction.
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« Reply #28 on: October 20, 2016, 09:56:59 AM » |
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Have no problem with Trump's take on accepting the outcome of the election. He and his campaign have had to deal with: The DNC paying people to incite violence at Trump rallies. The DNC paying people to or who commit voter registration fraud. See a large, organized registration fraud attempts caught in the act in Indiana. An opponent willingly destroying emails in the face of a Congressional subpoena. Seeing past intimidation at the polls. The list goes on I believe Trump trusts the system but wants a verified trust. Given the climate of this election I would think it would be warranted. So, like Mr. Trump, my opinion of the election results will depend on what is seen on election day. Verified Trust. [/quote] Good job you get it. Should he have said yes the headlines would have been that Trump concedes defeat all in an effort to depress his voters and have a lower turnout. And of course he only said wait and see. The drive bys even at Fox still do not get who Trump is. His is a movement to blow up the corrupt political establishment. He has exposed all the corrupt nature of the entire political establishment and the Pravda media enablers. Wiki leaks and James O'Keefe have backed up all these claims in spades and what we have always known is now being exposed. Had to laugh at media saying he can not call her a nasty woman. Well why the hell not. She is nasty ( read about what the secret service agents say about her ) and the most corrupt person to ever run. She has mean mouthed him from the start and they do this to every candidate the Repubs run with viscious and ridiculous attacks and phobias galore. I remember a phrase from Braveheart when Robert the Bruce told his Father "This man fights" I seem to remember the inventor of Internet and the prophet who correctly predicted that the Arctic Ice Cap would be gone by 2013. Oh wait - I have been told it is still there and bigger than ever. Anyway he did not and the DNC did not accept the vote and lawyers and judges got involved big time for darn near two months - something to do with a guy named CHAD 
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« Reply #29 on: October 20, 2016, 11:01:55 AM » |
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Have no problem with Trump's take on accepting the outcome of the election.
He and his campaign have had to deal with:
The DNC paying people to incite violence at Trump rallies. The DNC paying people to or who commit voter registration fraud. See a large, organized registration fraud attempts caught in the act in Indiana. An opponent willingly destroying emails in the face of a Congressional subpoena. Seeing past intimidation at the polls. The list goes on
I believe Trump trusts the system but wants a verified trust. Given the climate of this election I would think it would be warranted. So, like Mr. Trump, my opinion of the election results will depend on what is seen on election day.
Verified Trust.
Good job you get it. Should he have said yes the headlines would have been that Trump concedes defeat all in an effort to depress his voters and have a lower turnout. And of course he only said wait and see. The drive bys even at Fox still do not get who Trump is. His is a movement to blow up the corrupt political establishment. He has exposed all the corrupt nature of the entire political establishment and the Pravda media enablers. Wiki leaks and James O'Keefe have backed up all these claims in spades and what we have always known is now being exposed. Had to laugh at media saying he can not call her a nasty woman. Well why the hell not. She is nasty ( read about what the secret service agents say about her ) and the most corrupt person to ever run. She has mean mouthed him from the start and they do this to every candidate the Repubs run with viscious and ridiculous attacks and phobias galore. I remember a phrase from Braveheart when Robert the Bruce told his Father "This man fights" I seem to remember the inventor of Internet and the prophet who correctly predicted that the Arctic Ice Cap would be gone by 2013. Oh wait - I have been told it is still there and bigger than ever. Anyway he did not and the DNC did not accept the vote and lawyers and judges got involved big time for darn near two months - something to do with a guy named CHAD  [/quote]So many inaccuracies, where to begin. I'll just start with this one. Antarctic Sea Ice Reaches New Record Maximum Editor’s note: Antarctica and the Arctic are two very different environments: the former is a continent surrounded by ocean, the latter is ocean enclosed by land. As a result, sea ice behaves very differently in the two regions. While the Antarctic sea ice yearly wintertime maximum extent hit record highs from 2012 to 2014 before returning to average levels in 2015, both the Arctic wintertime maximum and its summer minimum extent have been in a sharp decline for the past decades. Studies show that globally, the decreases in Arctic sea ice far exceed the increases in Antarctic sea ice.
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