About Ethanol E10 and is there a way to separate ethanol?

[BigBF]

On the road trip that I have work on Valkyrie last summer so far 29th overhaul carburetors and some of them I have seen green inside fuel bowl.

From google search I find...
Ethanol (E10) is a strong water absorber that attracts water into gas.

E10 gas has a maximum shelf life of only 3 months under ideal environmental conditions, and can absorb excess water into gas in only a few weeks or less. Only 2-3 teaspoons water/gallon will phase separate E10 gas. Ethanol blends absorb 40-50 times more water, compared to 100% (non-alcohol) gasoline.

https://youtu.be/OfZgDkRwAUk
This was interesting.... But Doing that way will loose octane and too much work to do them. There's got to have something that can separate just like marine water separate filter.

[Jess from VA]

All proponents of ethanol in our gasoline should be made to drink it until they change their minds (or die), which ever comes first.  

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[Harryc]

On the road trip that I have work on Valkyrie last summer so far 29th overhaul carburetors and some of them I have seen green inside fuel bowl.

From google search I find...
Ethanol (E10) is a strong water absorber that attracts water into gas.

E10 gas has a maximum shelf life of only 3 months under ideal environmental conditions, and can absorb excess water into gas in only a few weeks or less. Only 2-3 teaspoons water/gallon will phase separate E10 gas. Ethanol blends absorb 40-50 times more water, compared to 100% (non-alcohol) gasoline.

https://youtu.be/OfZgDkRwAUk
This was interesting.... But Doing that way will loose octane and too much work to do them. There's got to have something that can separate just like marine water separate filter.

Are you complaining or making a statement about business being good?

[BigBF]

On the road trip that I have work on Valkyrie last summer so far 29th overhaul carburetors and some of them I have seen green inside fuel bowl.

From google search I find...
Ethanol (E10) is a strong water absorber that attracts water into gas.

E10 gas has a maximum shelf life of only 3 months under ideal environmental conditions, and can absorb excess water into gas in only a few weeks or less. Only 2-3 teaspoons water/gallon will phase separate E10 gas. Ethanol blends absorb 40-50 times more water, compared to 100% (non-alcohol) gasoline.

https://youtu.be/OfZgDkRwAUk
This was interesting.... But Doing that way will loose octane and too much work to do them. There's got to have something that can separate just like marine water separate filter.

Are you complaining or making a statement about business being good?

LoL I know what you're thinking...

[WintrSol]

If you separate the ethanol from gasoline, it will lower the octane, because the ethanol is an octane booster; the gasoline portion just has a lower octane content.

[Firefighter]

Actually ethonal contains 1/3 less energy than gasoline. Vehicles get less miles per gallon using E-10. Pure ethonal has about 114 octane,, but E-10 gas does not have a higher octane than conventional gas.

[John Schmidt]

If you separate the ethanol from gasoline, it will lower the octane, because the ethanol is an octane booster; the gasoline portion just has a lower octane content.

If that's true, how come we (I) lose mileage when running that crap? I'm with Jess, they should be made to drink that junk until their brain either starts to work....or quits completely. 

[Firefighter]

Because nothing produces power like gasoline, not yet anyway.

[BigBF]

Here's what it look like when little water mix with ethanol...
This only sit for one year in Houston TX.



This only sit for four year in Arlington Texas


Here in Arizona hardly see that but very few valk only very little green in fuel bowl. I guess it's bec of dry out here and out in east states has more humid and more water to sweat inside fuel tank.

[Jess from VA]

Lord, what a science experiment.  The bottom picture looks like home grown penicillin. 

Send the pics to the EPA and ask them if it can be made back into corn, so they can eat it.   


I'm no expert, but suppose a lot of corn farmers like the 10 percent corn in the gas as it would seem to help keep the demand and price up for them.  I like farmers, (esp families, more than corporate agro), but it needs to come out of gasoline entirely.  If they need assistance, do it another way. 

How come we can never backpedal any of these imbecilic ideas that come out of DC?????    How come we never get to vote on them? 

[F6Dave]

Because nothing produces power like gasoline, not yet anyway.

Gasoline is an amazing fuel.  Its energy density is something like 70 times greater than lithium ion batteries.  It's easy to handle, relatively safe, and very inexpensive.  It has improved our lives in immeasurable ways.  Yet we often take it for granted and even demonize it.

[hubcapsc]

If you separate the ethanol from gasoline, it will lower the octane, because the ethanol is an octane booster; the gasoline portion just has a lower octane content.

If that's true, how come we (I) lose mileage when running that crap? I'm with Jess, they should be made to drink that junk until their brain either starts to work....or quits completely. 

Octane booster is to keep your motor from knocking, gas is for making your motor go and alcohol is
what you drink with supper...



-Mike

[Skinhead]

If you separate the ethanol from gasoline, it will lower the octane, because the ethanol is an octane booster; the gasoline portion just has a lower octane content.

If that's true, how come we (I) lose mileage when running that crap? I'm with Jess, they should be made to drink that junk until their brain either starts to work....or quits completely. 

Octane booster is to keep your motor from knocking, gas is for making your motor go and alcohol is
what you drink with supper...



-Mike

If that is what alcohol does, that picture right there^^^^^^, should be all the EPA needs to see to convince them to remove it from our gasoline.  Keep alcohol where it belongs in yo belly!

[DK]

On the road trip that I have work on Valkyrie last summer so far 29th overhaul carburetors and some of them I have seen green inside fuel bowl.

From google search I find...
Ethanol (E10) is a strong water absorber that attracts water into gas.

E10 gas has a maximum shelf life of only 3 months under ideal environmental conditions, and can absorb excess water into gas in only a few weeks or less. Only 2-3 teaspoons water/gallon will phase separate E10 gas. Ethanol blends absorb 40-50 times more water, compared to 100% (non-alcohol) gasoline.

https://youtu.be/OfZgDkRwAUk
This was interesting.... But Doing that way will loose octane and too much work to do them. There's got to have something that can separate just like marine water separate filter.

You can remove the ethanol by adding a pint of water per gallon of gas, letting it set overnight & then draining out the combined water and ethanol from the bottom of the container. -------The ethanol absorbs into the water and the gas, being lighter, floats above the combined water and ethanol----Its clumsy & expensive, but it works.

[John Schmidt]

I see the guy on the right in that picture has a T shirt about the Corn Hole tournament. Where (or when) did the definition of "cornhole" come to mean tossing a bag like a horseshoe? I'm thinking back to the same military term, like the DI telling you "cornhole intervals."  Guess I lost something in the translation.

[WintrSol]

Actually ethonal contains 1/3 less energy than gasoline. Vehicles get less miles per gallon using E-10. Pure ethonal has about 114 octane,, but E-10 gas does not have a higher octane than conventional gas.

Octane is not a measure of energy, it is solely a measure of anti-knock properties. If you add an ounce of Everclear to a beer, you get stronger beer; if you add high octane fuel (114 ethanol) to lower octane fuel (84 gasoline), you get a higher octane (87) than that fuel by itself.

The theory behind adding ethanol to gas it that it will reduce the amount of carbon added to the atmosphere, since gas is stored carbon and ethanol is from plants that remove carbon from the air. However, that requires the stored carbon released producing the ethanol be less than the amount the plants absorb. Some studies show this is possible, but is generally not true of corn produced in the US.

[Firefighter]

You should read about it. Take a gallon of E-10 and a gallon of conventional gasoline. E-10 will get worse mileage and have less power.

[Valkpilot]

You should read about it. Take a gallon of E-10 and a gallon of conventional gasoline. E-10 will get worse mileage and have less power.

There's about a 3% difference between "pure" gas and E10 in terms of BTU content and therefore potential MPG.    Tank-to-tank MPG is usually greater than 3%, so any MPG disadvantage of E10 gets masked by weather, road conditions, your right hand, traffic, etc.

[Jess from VA]

I don't care about pollution or BTUs or units of energy or any of that.  (I do care that my bikes run very noticeably better and with better MPG with pure gas)

I care that the 20 carburetors on my bikes, mower, chipper, whacker, blowers, generator, powerwasher, chainsaw get all foked up on ethonal gas.  And it makes all those machines unreliable, and requires more periodic maintenance and expense on all of them.  

What I recall reading is that any savings on pollution of burning 10 percent ethanol gas instead of pure gas is surpassed by the pollution caused by all the factors involved in actually turning corn onto 10 percent ethanol gasoline to begin with.  Typical EPA blow job. 

 

[BigBF]

I kind of suspect they Put more than 10% of ethanol.

The problem how do we test how much actual % in ethanol?

My truck 2008 F250 Diesel really hate B20. (Bio-Diesel blend)
Without B20 and towing my trailer run about 12-13 mpg average. I could not find without B20 in some area so I fill up with B20 and it drop down 6 to 7 mpg. That really pissed me off...  Now I wonder about all of semi truck???
I see new Ford 2017 can run B20 but it's not showing in 2016
Yup, Damn EPA and Governments...
They seem don't care about our engine but keep air clean? My question are they really clean in air???  Or they are in for profit???

[oldsmokey]

It seems as though what ever California starts the EPA mandates. Thus we all get the miserable results.
Most stations are right on the money with the 10%. Some independent tests have revealed up to 15% with the pump advertising 10%.
 You can do your own test with a graduated vial, a small amount of pump gas and a measured amount of water. shake and let settle, mixture at the bottom is water and alcohol.

Ethanol Shield has shown to reduce the co-phase separation issue, along with Gas Medic.

I have started purchasing Sunoco 110 race fuel with no alcohol added for use in all power equipment especially 2 stroke.
I intend to run tanks low on Wing and Valk, drain, then put same fuel in them for winter storage with a stabilizer.

Its not cheap but neither is carb. wok.

[Ricky-D]

The government allows a 50¢ per gallon tax break to the ethanol producers for that ethanol produced for the transportation fuel industry. Without that tax break the ethanol producers would not have a profitable endeavor producing ethanol for fuel since the selling price (for ethanol enriched gasoline) would have to be quite a bit higher than for pure gasoline. The government and the corn belt politicians are the ones responsible for our pain and suffering.

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[Dodis]

I don't need to beat the dead horse here, just adding my pics of the results... In Texas City, south of Houston, E10. AND, I always keep the 1oz/gal dose of Seafoam in the tank as well, didn't help here.

Freshly rebuilt carbs, then sat for 8 months due to injury. I missed my schedule of starting and running every few weeks while I couldn't ride, and then it sat for 2 months without running at all. Had to rebuild them AGAIN!  

Also note, these "were" brand new slow jets.  

carb by Mr_Dodis, on Flickr

Mike "Dodis"

[BigBF]

I don't need to beat the dead horse here, just adding my pics of the results... In Texas City, south of Houston, E10. AND, I always keep the 1oz/gal dose of Seafoam in the tank as well, didn't help here.

Freshly rebuilt carbs, then sat for 8 months due to injury. I missed my schedule of starting and running every few weeks while I couldn't ride, and then it sat for 2 months without running at all. Had to rebuild them AGAIN!  

Also note, these "were" brand new slow jets.  

carb by Mr_Dodis, on Flickr

Mike "Dodis"

Yep that's sucks...

By the way don't use any sealer or RTV silicone on fuel bowl bec it will dissolve the sealer and will trap in jets....  replace new fuel bowl gasket and put it on. It won't leak for sure. I have rebuilt so many times without sealers.

[Dodis]

Yep, I used the sealer in a pinch cause I thought I had new gaskets... Did use new ones on the second rebuild...