Autocancel, Hazards & Escort Flashing

[Jersey]

Hey All,

I've developed a cool upgrade for ANY MC that doesn't have Hazard or Escort flashing.

It's a plug-n-play (NO CUTTING OF WIRES) insert that adds HAZARD (4way simultaneous) and ESCORT (4way alternating) flashing of the turn signals.  (Of course the turn signals continue to work as normal

This works for EITHER LED or INCANDESCENT!!
This works with other addons that expand brake/running/turn lights for the rear!!!

Installation is very simple and fully reversible.
For INTERSTATE:
1. Remove left and right speaker covers
2. Unplug Green 14pin connector and plug each side (male & female) into my upgrade device.
3. Do the same with the 9-pin black plug on the right.
4. Do the same with the 4-pin plug in the right front frame (in front of the Gas tank)
5. Replace all covers
4. Remove two screws on left turn signal unit on handlebar
5. Insert small foam or spring pieces into each side of turn signal switch
6. Reassemble turn signal switch and 2 screws.

FOR STANDARD/TOURER:
1. Unplug the 9-pin & 6 Pin connectors in the Headlight case and plug module into Male and Female connectors.
2. Remove 2 screws from left Turn Signal unit
3. Install Foam or Spring pieces into each side of Turn Signal Switch
4. Reassemble Turn Signal Unit and headlight

DONE!

ALL OTHER MODELS:  CONTACT ME for Plug-n-Play development.  My goal is to provide a version for all models.

-The entire process might take 10 mins.
-The foam pieces in Step 5 are very small and cause the switch to become momentary - only making electrical contact when pressed to the left or right.
-Removing the upgrade is as simple and reversing all of the above, including removing the foam from the turn signal switch.

OPERATING INSTRUCTIONS:
-AUTOCANCEL- User can set the delay to anytime between 2 and 15 secs, with the Brake and Neutral indicators extending the delay timer.  (For when you're stopped at the light)
-Left and Right turn signal. - Normal operation.
-HAZARD - Press to the Left and HOLD for 2 seconds and the Hazard 4-way flashing will begin... then let go.
-ESCORT - Press to the Right and HOLD for 2 seconds and the ESCORT 4-way alternating flashing will begin... then let go.
-CANCEL - Press to either the Left or Right and any of the above will stop... then let go.

HOW MANY OF YOU WOULD BE INTERESTED IN A PRODUCT LIKE THIS?
if so, what would be a fair price?

Don't hesitate to reach out to the others.  I think their feedback is the most important if you're not sure.

Cheers,
Jersey

[Brewer]

Will it function on a Standard/Tour model?
You indicate speaker cover, meaning Interstate right?

[Harryc]

Sounds like it is for an Interstate only? That will reduce your market substantially.

[Steel cowboy]

Can they be made to have a self canceling feature too. Something like a variable timer.

[Jersey]

Will it function on a Standard/Tour model?
You indicate speaker cover, meaning Interstate right?

Yes it will.  Actually it'll work on all GL1500 & GL1800's with the only exception being different physical plugs.  The wiring is the same.  I'm also looking into the HD's and can easily adjust to fit whatever their electrical differences might be.

I think the allure is to have this be Plug-n-play with minimal installation on the owner's part... you agree?

[Jersey]

Can they be made to have a self canceling feature too. Something like a variable timer.

A timer is easy to program.  Not sure everyone would want a timer so could make it user configurable as to whether it's activated or not.

Thanks!

[Ramie]

I'm interested, what kind of cost are we talking about?

[Jersey]

I'm interested, what kind of cost are we talking about?

That's what was trying to get... What would be considered a reasonable price for these features in an add-on device?  

Thinking about finding volunteers willing to try out the prototype for a cheaper price.  Will update the OP to offer that.

[Gryphon Rider]

Questions:

1.  How long will the foam bits that convert the left and right turn signal positions to momentary last?  I am concerned that they eventually will harden and fail to do their job.

2.  How fast do the lights flash in the "escort" mode?

3.  Does this install in the headlight shell of a Standard/Tourer?  If not, where?  If so, can you provide an optional extension kit to mount the module elsewhere?  My headlight shell is already full of other add-on electrical stuff.

4.  Will the push-to-cancel function of the stock turn signal switch still work?

5.  How does the stock turn signal indicator light function in the various modes?

Notes:
The turn signal cancel timer would be best if applying the brakes holds the turn signal on, then resets the timer to zero when the brake is released, allowing the signal to continue for the timer interval as you make your turn.

I think a module that does all this is worth somewhere between $70 and $110.

[Jersey]

Questions:

1.  How long will the foam bits that convert the left and right turn signal positions to momentary last?  I am concerned that they eventually will harden and fail to do their job.
While the Foam may harden over a LONG many years, doubt it would be an issue.  I'm also looking into small conical compression springs as an option.  I've preferred the foam only because it seems to stay in position better.  However, if the foam does harder any substitute would work... something like the 1/4" thick packing sheets for ceramic plates would be an excellent replacement, which is actually what I'm using now for my working prototype.

2.  How fast do the lights flash in the "escort" mode?
Each side lights alternately from left to right.  When each side lights it quickly flickers on/off at a rate of about 5 times per second.  So it's LEFT (5 flashes), RIGHT (5 flashes), repeat

3.  Does this install in the headlight shell of a Standard/Tourer?  If not, where?  If so, can you provide an optional extension kit to mount the module elsewhere?  My headlight shell is already full of other add-on electrical stuff.
Great question!  I've had this problem on past bikes.  I can easily make an extension for the device which measures about 2.5 x 1.5 x 1".  The biggest challenge would be the space of the two male/female plugs as they would have to be inside the headlight shell.  The small device box can be located anywhere and as far as needed.  ANY RECOMMENDATIONS ON LENGTH FROM THE SHELL THE DEVICE WOULD NEED TO BE LOCATED?

4.  Will the push-to-cancel function of the stock turn signal switch still work?
The foam insert would actually negate this from being needed.  The ptc feature is what retracts the electrical contacts from their latched position.  The foam prevents the latching from occurring, making the ptc operation no longer applicable.

5.  How does the stock turn signal indicator light function in the various modes?
The stock incandescent bulbs would continue to work as normal.  This add on would no longer rely on the Flash Signal Relay to turn the lights on/off.  That would be handled by this device.

I would recommend changing to LED lights as they provide two key benefits: 1. Use less power, 2.
 LEDs turn on at a faster rate and thereby provide indication to others slightly quicker than regular bulbs.  It's minor, but every little bit helps in guarding against cagers!!!

Notes:
The turn signal cancel timer would be best if applying the brakes holds the turn signal on, then resets the timer to zero when the brake is released, allowing the signal to continue for the timer interval as you make your turn.
I've thought about this, but would require additional wiring.  My initial goal was to make a very simple plug-n-play unit and then go from there.  I could do that as another model or upgraded version of this one for those who want it.

I think a module that does all this is worth somewhere between $70 and $110.
Seems reasonable.

Thanks for the questions and recommendations!!! This will help me refine the device to make it what people want.  I'll put responses above.

Jersey

[Gryphon Rider]

See my responses below your blue text.

Questions:
2.  How fast do the lights flash in the "escort" mode?
Each side lights alternately from left to right.  When each side lights it quickly flickers on/off at a rate of about 5 times per second.  So it's LEFT (5 flashes), RIGHT (5 flashes), repeat

This would work well with LEDs, but I wonder if incandescent bulbs are able to keep up with this?  Would they have time to fully illuminate or fully extinguish before changing state?

3.  Does this install in the headlight shell of a Standard/Tourer?  If not, where?  If so, can you provide an optional extension kit to mount the module elsewhere?  My headlight shell is already full of other add-on electrical stuff.
Great question!  I've had this problem on past bikes.  I can easily make an extension for the device which measures about 2.5 x 1.5 x 1".  The biggest challenge would be the space of the two male/female plugs as they would have to be inside the headlight shell.  The small device box can be located anywhere and as far as needed.  ANY RECOMMENDATIONS ON LENGTH FROM THE SHELL THE DEVICE WOULD NEED TO BE LOCATED?

Although I haven't looked behind the steering neck recently, there might be room behind one of the black plastic covers.

5.  How does the stock turn signal indicator light function in the various modes?
The stock incandescent bulbs would continue to work as normal.  This add on would no longer rely on the Flash Signal Relay to turn the lights on/off.  That would be handled by this device.

I'm sorry, I meant the indicator on top of the headlight shell, next to the neutral and high beam indicators.

I would recommend changing to LED lights as they provide two key benefits: 1. Use less power, 2.
 LEDs turn on at a faster rate and thereby provide indication to others slightly quicker than regular bulbs.  It's minor, but every little bit helps in guarding against cagers!!!

I agree with what you're saying, except that LEDs don't light up the OEM turn signals as well as incandescents, so for the time being, I'll stick with incandescents.

Notes:
The turn signal cancel timer would be best if applying the brakes holds the turn signal on, then resets the timer to zero when the brake is released, allowing the signal to continue for the timer interval as you make your turn.
I've thought about this, but would require additional wiring.  My initial goal was to make a very simple plug-n-play unit and then go from there.  I could do that as another model or upgraded version of this one for those who want it.

It shouldn't be too hard to integrate connections for the front brake switch, as a connection for that is in the headlight shell.  To make it work with the rear brake switch as well would be more difficult for the customer, as wires would need to run to some point aft of the gas tank.

[Houdini]

I'd be interested in this for my IS but would pass if it costs $70 - $110.

To me, this is a $35 - $50 option.

[Jersey]

See my responses below your blue text.

Questions:

2.  How fast do the lights flash in the "escort" mode?
Each side lights alternately from left to right.  When each side lights it quickly flickers on/off at a rate of about 5 times per second.  So it's LEFT (5 flashes), RIGHT (5 flashes), repeat

This would work well with LEDs, but I wonder if incandescent bulbs are able to keep up with this?  Would they have time to fully illuminate or fully extinguish before changing state?

I can adjustable this easily based on a quick test if I can get volunteers   As is, I think the flicker rate would be ok anyway.

5.  How does the stock turn signal indicator light function in the various modes?
The stock incandescent bulbs would continue to work as normal.  This add on would no longer rely on the Flash Signal Relay to turn the lights on/off.  That would be handled by this device.

I'm sorry, I meant the indicator on top of the headlight shell, next to the neutral and high beam indicators.

Just took a look at the Standard/Tourer wiring schematics and some changes would be needed my current plug setup, but YES the Turn Indicator on the shell would work normally.

I would recommend changing to LED lights as they provide two key benefits: 1. Use less power, 2.
 LEDs turn on at a faster rate and thereby provide indication to others slightly quicker than regular bulbs.  It's minor, but every little bit helps in guarding against cagers!!!

I agree with what you're saying, except that LEDs don't light up the OEM turn signals as well as incandescents, so for the time being, I'll stick with incandescents.

Not sure what you mean, but since this Add-on doesn't use the OEM flasher relay the change to LEDs wouldn't have the effect you're referring.  It's only because of the change in bulb resistance (to LEDs) that causes the flasher relay to change it's flash rate.  This is one of the reasons why I designed it the way I did was to eliminate this issue.  But please clarify what you mean if this isn't the concern. I wasn't sure...

Notes:
The turn signal cancel timer would be best if applying the brakes holds the turn signal on, then resets the timer to zero when the brake is released, allowing the signal to continue for the timer interval as you make your turn.
I've thought about this, but would require additional wiring.  My initial goal was to make a very simple plug-n-play unit and then go from there.  I could do that as another model or upgraded version of this one for those who want it.

It shouldn't be too hard to integrate connections for the front brake switch, as a connection for that is in the headlight shell.  To make it work with the rear brake switch as well would be more difficult for the customer, as wires would need to run to some point aft of the gas tank.

[/quote]  More good news!  The stock wiring for all valkyrie models does allow for a turn signal timer to be used as you described here.  I'm going to integrate that into my prototype for testing.

[Icelander]

I am interested in this product. I might be able to shake loose up to $100 for it but it would need to have a substantial feature set to do so.

I'm also volunteering to beta test. I like wrenching on my bike and the wiring doesn't scare me.

Icelander

[Gryphon Rider]

Okay, now it's getting too tough for me to keep all the [ quote ] [ /quote ] stuff straight, so below is my response to your latest response.

About using LED bulbs in place of incandescent bulbs in stock lamps:  Perhaps they've improved, but 1156 and 1157 LEDs have less effective in how they use the reflectors and lenses designed for incandescent bulbs.  They simply aren't as bright and even as incandescents.  See http://cog-online.org/clubportal/clubstatic.cfm?clubID=1328&pubmenuoptID=36018

From the linked article, incandescent on left, LED on right, both lit together in 4-way flasher mode:

[Jersey]

Okay, now it's getting too tough for me to keep all the [ quote ] [ /quote ] stuff straight, so below is my response to your latest response.

About using LED bulbs in place of incandescent bulbs in stock lamps:  Perhaps they've improved, but 1156 and 1157 LEDs have less effective in how they use the reflectors and lenses designed for incandescent bulbs.  They simply aren't as bright and even as incandescents.  

From the linked article, incandescent on left, LED on right, both lit together in 4-way flasher mode:

Gotcha!  Yes, I found the same thing with most of the LEDs.  However, I did find these torpedo-like LEDs that are VERY bright and do the job well.

[Jersey]

BETA TESTERS

I have three so far and seeking 10 people who are interested in testing this at a cheaper cost.

Once I get enough I'll ask that we take this off-line from the forum out of respect to the owners.  We'll handle all business and agreements through direct email.

PLEASE PM ME if you are interested in being a Beta tester.

[Skinhead]

I'm interested in beta testing on my IS, but I have modified my trunk Brake lights to work as Brake/turn signals using 2 relays triggered off the turn signal flasher.  I'm not sure how this would affect the function of your device.  Perhaps we could discuss off line.  248-seven9four-6 zero 3 seven.

[Gavin_Sons]

I'd be willing to test this for you. Let me know 

[Avanti]

I run 48 cluster LEDs on an Interstate and would be willing to be a tester if you are still looking.

[Chrisj CMA]

I'll be a beta test volunteer.  I would buy two units.  If that qualifies as two testers great.

I'm thinking $50-$75 each sounds like what this type of mod should run

[Jersey]

Will it function on a Standard/Tour model?
You indicate speaker cover, meaning Interstate right?

It can be adapted to most any MC with a mechanical turn signal switching... those that don't already have a smart signaling system.  Many of the post 2000 HDs use a smart system.  Almost all of the pre-Japanese use a mechanical.

For this initial effort, I am making  standard/tourer version.  let me know if you're interested. Please PM me.

[Jersey]

Can they be made to have a self canceling feature too. Something like a variable timer.

I'm adding a basic timer feature as suggested by a few folks.  Pleas PM me if you're interested.

[Jersey]

I'd be interested in this for my IS but would pass if it costs $70 - $110.

To me, this is a $35 - $50 option.

Understand.  No worries.  Just a note, that range wouldn't even cover parts, labor, and shipping.

[Gryphon Rider]

Jersey,
After doing a little thinking, then looking at schematics, I've realized that the green/yellow wire from the front brake switch also is switched by the rear brake switch. What this means is using power from that wire as a digital input for continuing the turn signal will work with either brake.

[Jersey]

Jersey,
After doing a little thinking, then looking at schematics, I've realized that the green/yellow wire from the front brake switch also is switched by the rear brake switch. What this means is using power from that wire as a digital input for continuing the turn signal will work with either brake.

Yep, that's what I saw.  Already redesigned the board and made mods to my prototype and it works VERY WELL!

[Steel cowboy]

Jersey I'll beta test one if it has the timer feature in it. I have an interstate with all LED lighting, PM me when you have the details work out.

[Jersey]

Jersey I'll beta test one if it has the timer feature in it. I have an interstate with all LED lighting, PM me when you have the details work out.

Ok, Great.  If you can PM me your direct email, we'll go from there.  I need to take all the business stuff offline from the forum. 

[Jersey]

STILL LOOKING FOR BETA TESTERS!!!   HAVE A FEW UNITS LEFT.

Please PM me if you're interested or have any questions.

Jersey

[Chrisj CMA]

From one beta tester.

Steve and I are working the bugs out of the Standard/Tourer version.  The IS version is perfect, I installed one today and it was flawless.

This is an ingenious contraption.  Steve really knows his stuff and made something quite special here.

Whatever the final cost ends up at, it's worth it.  Get you one!

[Harryc]

STILL LOOKING FOR BETA TESTERS!!!   HAVE A FEW UNITS LEFT.

Please PM me if you're interested or have any questions.

Jersey

I'd be interested but I have a Kuryakyn RTB controller wired into the system already, and I love it so you'd have to pry that from my dead cold hands . If your device would work with that type of controller already installed I'd be interested in being a tester.

[Farside]

From one beta tester.

Steve and I are working the bugs out of the Standard/Tourer version.  The IS version is perfect, I installed one today and it was flawless.

This is an ingenious contraption.  Steve really knows his stuff and made something quite special here.

Whatever the final cost ends up at, it's worth it.  Get you one!

Well Steve the SigEnhancer as you read in Jeff's message was installed today on my IS. I'm loving it!  I rode home checking out all the functions and like all the features. I've been looking to enhance my rides and it does just that; it all came together well. Plenty of room in the IS fairing for the hardware. I was lucky that Jeff lives 35 miles away and had already installed the one for his Standard so had an idea how to install but yes the directions were there for us to follow.  
  I look forward for the update for my Tourer.  

[Jersey]

STILL LOOKING FOR BETA TESTERS!!!   HAVE A FEW UNITS LEFT.

Please PM me if you're interested or have any questions.

Jersey

I'd be interested but I have a Kuryakyn RTB controller wired into the system already, and I love it so you'd have to pry that from my dead cold hands . If your device would work with that type of controller already installed I'd be interested in being a tester.

Yes, my SigEnhancer WILL work with this.

[Jersey]

From one beta tester.

Steve and I are working the bugs out of the Standard/Tourer version.  The IS version is perfect, I installed one today and it was flawless.

This is an ingenious contraption.  Steve really knows his stuff and made something quite special here.

Whatever the final cost ends up at, it's worth it.  Get you one!

Thanks Chrisj for the vote of confidence!!!

[Avanti]

Just returned from a 2600 mile run with the SigEnhancer on my Interstate and it worked flawless. Used the four ways in the Smokey Mountains where there was a bike and wild boar encounter and again in a thunder storm with wind and blinding rain on an interstate when traffic went to a crawl.

Thank you Steve  

[Jersey]

Just returned from a 2600 mile run with the SigEnhancer on my Interstate and it worked flawless. Used the four ways in the Smokey Mountains where there was a bike and wild boar encounter and again in a thunder storm with wind and blinding rain on an interstate when traffic went to a crawl.

Thank you Steve  

I'm so glad it worked as designed.  Mind posting feedback on the forum?    Maybe any details you have on the installation, etc.?

[Chrisj CMA]

As far as installation in the Interstate it was perfect.  One very small thing I would change is maybe one more inch of length on the wire that goes across to the left side.  Other than that it was genius

[Harryc]

STILL LOOKING FOR BETA TESTERS!!!   HAVE A FEW UNITS LEFT.

Please PM me if you're interested or have any questions.

Jersey

I'd be interested but I have a Kuryakyn RTB controller wired into the system already, and I love it so you'd have to pry that from my dead cold hands . If your device would work with that type of controller already installed I'd be interested in being a tester.

Yes, my SigEnhancer WILL work with this.

Cool, I will beta test on a '97 Tourer if the offer still stands. PM sent.

[Avanti]

Install on my Interstate was a very easy project. Normal precautions, like cover pods and tank with pad, tape on handlebar and clutch clamp with realignment and location marks.

I can see where Chrisj feels one more inch of wire would be helpful going from right side to left side. My wiring however has been moved up from original location so not a problem for me. I thought springs might be better at first but think I like the feel of the foam better. The foam can never cause any damage to the turn signal switch due to an over enthusiastic thumb causing to much compression. I used an electrical lubricant on my connections because I have other modifications inside my fairing so unplugging may be necessary for future maintenance and also for noncorrosive coverage. I do not see how it could be an easier to install or a better thought out product. Another great safety upgrade to our Valkyries or any motorcycle for that matter and very user friendly. Brings the turn signal lighting into a new realm. Works very snappy and crisp with my L.E.Ds. By the time you have finished reading this, you could have plunged it all in, well almost.    

[Jersey]

Install on my Interstate was a very easy project. Normal precautions, like cover pods and tank with pad, tape on handlebar and clutch clamp with realignment and location marks.

I can see where Jeff feels one more inch of wire would be helpful going from right side to left side. My wiring however has been moved up from original location so not a problem for me. I thought springs might be better at first but think I like the feel of the foam better. The foam can never cause any damage to the turn signal switch due to an over enthusiastic thumb causing to much compression. I used an electrical lubricant on my connections because I have other modifications inside my fairing so unplugging may be necessary for future maintenance and also for noncorrosive coverage. I do not see how it could be an easier to install or a better thought out product. Another great safety upgrade to our Valkyries or any motorcycle for that matter and very user friendly. Brings the turn signal lighting into a new realm. Works very snappy and crisp with my L.E.Ds. By the time you have finished reading this, you could have plunged it all in, well almost.   

Such kind words guys!  I will make sure to add an inch or two to the jumper wire.  Thanks so much for the Great Feedback!!