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mark81
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« on: September 25, 2017, 09:46:58 AM »

Just called quackenbush about their QBZ-58A beads for tire balancing. The guy that normally deals with them for this purpose is out sick with the flu. What size should I get? how much did you pay with shipping? I was quoted $60 for a quart (5lb) of either 1.0mm or 0.8mm and $15-40 shipping. so at $60 and $20 shipping it is $1/oz

I can get counteract beads that I have been using for $0.94/oz here
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Counteract-Balancing-Beads-10-Oz-5-Bags-LIMITED-TIME-SALE-/371701609561?epid=1658293118&hash=item568b247459:g:-8EAAOSwlV9WTUaR&vxp=mtr

Anyone have any suggestions, helpful advice, personal experience or random unrelated comments they would like to share?
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« Reply #1 on: September 25, 2017, 10:33:15 AM »

Nice picture ! When I was lookin for beads everybody that sold big truck tires had Counteract beads. Nothing else in the area. You'll want 3oz in the tire, NOT through the valve stem. Should cost about $9-10. Just take the rim an tire and have them do it all for about $19-20. Little more I suppose if they have to take the old tire off the rim.They gave me about a oz for show n tell.
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« Reply #2 on: September 25, 2017, 11:15:03 AM »

Hey Mark  i got this from lucky 13 and Smoking Joe
Air soft pellets from wall mart works great 2 1/2 oz front and if a car tire 3oz back a lot cheaper and they won't come thru the valve stem   
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« Reply #3 on: September 25, 2017, 12:12:21 PM »

Another post asked a similar question and my response is the same-I'm now using BBs as my balancing agent or media stead of the beads cuz I had too many bead dust issues. I KNOW the BBs are still loose as I here them rollin around as I back my M/C down my driveway with the engine off. Thinkin I used 3oz front and 4oz rear on the A T T. AND with the BBs I have yet to have a valve core not reseat. I've found BBs at my hardware store the new Tractor Supply they just opened here and wally wurld-just to name a few places BBs are readily available. And I don't gotta wait on shipping!  2funny RIDE SAFE.
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« Reply #4 on: September 25, 2017, 02:56:05 PM »

Gregk I have a tire changer and do tires for quite a few of my friends. Bought 24oz of CounterAct beads a few months ago and just went to get everything together to put a new front on my valk and I'm almost out of beads. Im looking at  these options because of the bulk volume.

Trout dude Ive talked to joe about the airsoft bbs. I'm not sold on the idea. I bought some and weighed them out and it took up a lot of volume.  My concern is if there is an imbalance issue and more beads are needed to move to one area the size of them will prevent enough weight concentrating in one area to fix an imbalance issue

O2S.  I've used bbs in the past with no adverse effects. There are a couple downfalls though. The noise you know so well can be a little unsettling for some of the people I mount tires for also some people have spoked wheels and require tubes. Thats the original reason i switched to beads. They can be installed through the stem of the tube and ride on is expensive.
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« Reply #5 on: September 25, 2017, 04:25:42 PM »

I get your issue with tubes.

I've got easily >90,000 miles using Airsoft beads, and that's a conservative guess. (56,000 on one bike alone, the 93 GL1500) I've even reused them.

4 bikes (3 now), several different car tires on the rear (4 Austones alone), at least 4 rear tires on the front, all using the .20 gram Air-soft beads.

When I put my recent 150/70-17 Pilot Activ on the Valk, Walmart had no .20g so I used the .12g (and considerably more of them to make 4 oz. (yes, I use 4 oz. in my rear tires on the front).
Never had an issue, the noise when rolling engine off bothers me not one bit.

I'd simply use "something else of your choice" for the odd tubed tire.
$5.89 for a 1 lb. container. I WOULD search for the .20g if you can find them online.
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« Reply #6 on: September 25, 2017, 05:02:08 PM »

Mark , looks like you can get a pretty good deal on the beads. Next change I think I'll shop around an preorder instead of what I paid. I think those beads came in about a 2 oz package as I seen the guy grab 2 small packs. I think your doing pretty darn good if you can get the beads for about a $1 an oz.
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« Reply #7 on: September 25, 2017, 07:27:39 PM »

Just go to an auto parts store to get them, I got mine from O'Reillys. Ordered them before noon and they were in the store by 5:00pm. Nice little bag of them, plenty for multiple sets of tires.
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« Reply #8 on: September 25, 2017, 10:20:59 PM »

In answer to your ?, they ones I got from the regular guy where the 0.8 mm ones. I recall the $45, but am unsure of the total cost with shipping for the 5 lbs.

I went to the local "Plastic Shop" and bought a package of 100 small bags. They can hold just close to the 3 oz max. Which I weigh on a kitchen scale, and package 2 & 3 oz bags.

Use the plastic bottle and some clear hose, and feed them in through the valve stem, since I haven't given them to the shop before mounting the new tire. Used the vibrating engraver to bounce those beads into the tire.
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« Reply #9 on: September 27, 2017, 02:34:16 AM »

You know CounterAct has different sizes right? Make sure you're not gettin' 'em for truck tires, they're real big.
QuackenBush, 0.8 mm (& will fit through the valve stem).
I no longer use air softs for the reason you stated above cooldude
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« Reply #10 on: September 27, 2017, 03:11:31 PM »

Update:   

I just got off the phone with a rep at CounterAct. He assured me all their beads from the mc beads to the big trucks (Did not specify about the off road beads) are the from the same base and all fit through a valve stem, there is even a product that hooks up to compressed air to push large quantities of beads through the stem on semi tires. ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iErLTk1lQAc ) . Everything sold in 4oz packages and up are identical in size and composition. The 1,2, and 3 oz packages are for motorcycles only. They start with the same exact beads but go through a more in depth refining process with nothing but perfect beads with 0 defects coming through. He also stated there was a different coating process for the mc beads to make them even smoother.  With motorcycles and liability issues there has to be absolute perfection.

He was well aware of darkside tire use even before I even mentioned it and said he was one of the reps for their motorcycle products and rode himself. In true salesman fashion he neither condone nor condemn darkside tire use though.  In further speaking about my needs with all my vehicles and trailers he suggested that purchasing one of the larger kits intended for big trucks through amazon (actual counteract product dealers instead of possible counterfeit product through ebay) would probably be my best option as they do not sell in bulk packages. They sell pre measured packages by the case to insure quality control and prevent product contamination all the way to the inside of the tire. I've worked in auto shops most of my life and can only imagine the crap that would end up in a tire if a 5gal bucket of beads was allowed to sit in a shop.

When I mentioned using their non motorcycle product and also BBs in the past with no adverse affects and didn't feel their additional refining process and cost of the motorcycle product were in my benefit he stated that's how they got started many years ago was with steel ballancing beads and have a patent on their current glass bead product with proprietary coatings for nearly 20 years.  Never trust a salesman, I Googled it, its true. Also there is a lot of knowledge to be gained on how something works by reading patent info.  Here it is if you're interested.  http://www.google.com/patents/US6128952

In addition to BBs we spoke briefly about ceramic. He did not speak negatively about any specific companies but did say that with ceramic balancing media there has to be a very specific mixture of components in the ceramic to prevent it from breaking apart becoming abrasive to the wheel and inside of tire and turning to dust in the tire. He then touched on the coating process again of their beads allowing free movement in the tire. He did also state that the cost of manufacture of proper  ceramic beads is several times higher and was a factor in why CounterAct does not have them in their product line. Most if not all ceramic media is manufactured in china due to this additional cost. CounterAct beads have a manufacturing plant in Canada and one in the USA with about 80% of product coming out of the USA plant. Big bonus for me. Support American companies who support American jobs.  I have watched youtube videos from checkered flag balancing where he states his ceramic product is imported.  He states problems with every type of balance bead except glass beads in this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBnHphZ328U

In my discussions with product reps at quackenbush and counteract and seeing what checkered flag has to say in several videos on youtube https://www.youtube.com/user/cfmobiletires  as well as counteracts videos https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCyPipDAI5MwXOXEqiSG3w-A  I have made the decision to keep using the counteract beads.  I hope all the info I have documented here will help anyone else who has questions in the future






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« Reply #11 on: September 27, 2017, 04:05:30 PM »

I bought a large bag of Counteract beads at a Loves Truck Stop  a few years back. I like them.  cooldude
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« Reply #12 on: September 27, 2017, 05:23:21 PM »

Coulda swore the marble size ones I saw at the truck shop were CounterAct, ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Did have less "dust" inside the tire with their motorcycle version.
Glad ya got it sorted,
thanks for postin' your findings cooldude
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