Title: ? WTF Post by: sugerbear on July 16, 2010, 06:57:13 AM http://www.miamiherald.com/2010/07/14/1730126/montana-sex-education-proposal.html (http://www.miamiherald.com/2010/07/14/1730126/montana-sex-education-proposal.html)
all i can say is .........................why? :-[ :-[ i'm embarrassed for the whole country. just sad Title: Re: ? WTF Post by: CISE on July 16, 2010, 07:43:06 AM The plan actually seesm to cover things kids already learn at those grade levels.
Title: Re: ? WTF Post by: Big Rig on July 16, 2010, 07:49:44 AM What happened to parenting? Why is this left to schools?
I am sorry I would prefer that my 1st and 2nd grader not be taught about same sex relationships. When they have questions about life, they know to come to me with them. On a lighter note, they did not say they would be teaching them that stuff in Spanish! Title: Re: ? WTF Post by: valkMJ on July 16, 2010, 08:35:06 AM My friend is a teacher, and she has had to deal with sex education in elementary school. One of the stupidest things I've heard so far is that they discuss anatomy, and they discuss pregnancy, but they're not allowed to talk about intercourse. So when the kids ask "So how does the sperm get to the egg?", they are forbidden from explaining it.
Long story short, people need to grow up and realize that most kids are already aware of this stuff, and we need to make sure they understand it correctly, rather than getting all their facts from Billy on the playground. >:( Title: Re: ? WTF Post by: Bobbo on July 16, 2010, 09:30:03 AM I don’t know about the erotic art or teaching different sexual positions, but the part about teaching that homosexual relationships exist may not be bad. This might end some confusion when children see same sex couples depicted on TV, in Internet content, and in real life. To be aware of it does not convey endorsement, but possibly tolerance. This may head off future violence towards people viewed as different, whether it is sexual preference, race, or religion.
If a child learns about humanity at a young age, and has questions beyond the school material, it would be the parent’s responsibly to teach any moral and religious values associated with it. Title: Re: ? WTF Post by: fiddle mike on July 16, 2010, 11:14:19 AM What happened to parenting? Why is this left to schools? I am sorry I would prefer that my 1st and 2nd grader not be taught about same sex relationships. When they have questions about life, they know to come to me with them. On a lighter note, they did not say they would be teaching them that stuff in Spanish! I agree with you. Teaching the the mechanics of reproduction is enough. "I don't know that anything needs to be taken out," [Beaver] said. "Some of it might be age inappropriate. We are going to have to consider how we teach it and when we teach it." That's not what I call good judgment, to begin with, or accountability to the parents. Title: Re: ? WTF Post by: fstsix on July 16, 2010, 11:46:55 AM My Grandchildren are Home Schooled Thank God!! The Government is NOT! their Mommy! Just a way for the Liberal mined to breed more, The public School system is FAILED. But just throw more money at them, and it will solve all our problems LOL!!!
Title: Re: ? WTF Post by: valkMJ on July 16, 2010, 12:12:06 PM My Grandchildren are Home Schooled Thank God!! The Government is NOT! their Mommy! Just a way for the Liberal mined to breed more, The public School system is FAILED. But just throw more money at them, and it will solve all our problems LOL!!! I went through the public school system, and I turned out just fine. ??? I do agree that a lot of the responsibility for teaching sex ed should be on the shoulders of parents. By the time I was in elementary school, I already knew the mechanics and the biology of reproduction. And that's because my parents took the time to teach me, rather than relying on the schools to do all the work for them. Title: Re: ? WTF Post by: fiddle mike on July 16, 2010, 12:18:21 PM My Grandchildren are Home Schooled Thank God!! The Government is NOT! their Mommy! Just a way for the Liberal mined to breed more, The public School system is FAILED. But just throw more money at them, and it will solve all our problems LOL!!! Your grand kids are fortunate. My kids went to a pretty good public school and I still had to set them straight on a few things taught there. At a PTA meeting, some admin type was spouting off when a sweet old granny was heard to say, " He'd better watch his mouth or one of these fishermen is going to knock him on his ass." Feedback can still become interactive, where I live. ;) Title: Re: ? WTF Post by: Bobbo on July 16, 2010, 12:26:40 PM My kids went to a pretty good public school and I still had to set them straight on a few things taught there. I'm just curious as to what you had to set them straight on? Title: Re: ? WTF Post by: Bobbo on July 16, 2010, 12:36:52 PM My Grandchildren are Home Schooled Thank God!! The Government is NOT! their Mommy! Just a way for the Liberal mined to breed more If the public schools breed liberal minded people, what breeds closed minded people?! ??? The public School system is FAILED. But just throw more money at them, and it will solve all our problems LOL!!! What has failed in public schools? Ours in St. Chuck, MO are pretty good. If you are referring to inner-city schools, I might agree, but that has a lot to do with the local school board, and not public schools in general. Title: Re: ? WTF Post by: fstsix on July 16, 2010, 12:42:47 PM That"s nice for you who have had good luck. My HS ? I turned out just fine from my parents LOL, My youngest adopted son was not so fortunate, But with a little help from a Educational Lawyer that represented the City next to me, The Principal just had to Amend his transcripts that were falsified from a couple of Teachers.....oh and after they dropped him off the Varsity football team because his GPA supposedly was too low ? When i removed him from this school the Principle opened his desk and told me Here.....give your son his Letter he was a Letterman, that he was screwed out of and said he was sorry.....I did not sue...BTW here was my HS back in LA they actually made a movie of it, What you would call Hell i called home for 35 years. http://www.moviedir.com/download/one-eight-seven-movie-5569.html (http://www.moviedir.com/download/one-eight-seven-movie-5569.html)
Title: Re: ? WTF Post by: fiddle mike on July 16, 2010, 01:20:13 PM My kids went to a pretty good public school and I still had to set them straight on a few things taught there. I'm just curious as to what you had to set them straight on? Revisionist history, mostly. The War Between the States, the Kennedys and MLK, that sort of thing. Also that zero tolerance didn't mean that they anyone's door mat. Title: Re: ? WTF Post by: Chrisj CMA on July 17, 2010, 05:32:37 AM My friend is a teacher, and she has had to deal with sex education in elementary school. One of the stupidest things I've heard so far is that they discuss anatomy, and they discuss pregnancy, but they're not allowed to talk about intercourse. So when the kids ask "So how does the sperm get to the egg?", they are forbidden from explaining it. We need grow up? lol.....if you look at the whole agenda, its really a pro homosexual agenda....all the sex ed talk is to distract people from talking about the fact they are teaching them at grade school age its ok to have sexual feelings for someone of the same sex. While that is an opinion that many may choose to hold (and Im ok with THEIR decision), its not something Id want anyone telling my kid while they are there to be schooled. No kid of mine would darken a door in that school EVER!Long story short, people need to grow up and realize that most kids are already aware of this stuff, and we need to make sure they understand it correctly, rather than getting all their facts from Billy on the playground. >:( Title: Re: ? WTF Post by: Jeff K on July 17, 2010, 05:51:17 PM If the public schools breed liberal minded people, what breeds closed minded people?! ??? Joanne's quote of the day "Liberals are so open minded... their brains have fallen out!" :2funny: Title: Re: ? WTF Post by: hubcapsc on July 17, 2010, 06:30:38 PM My friend is a teacher, and she has had to deal with sex education in elementary school. One of the stupidest things I've heard so far is that they discuss anatomy, and they discuss pregnancy, but they're not allowed to talk about intercourse. So when the kids ask "So how does the sperm get to the egg?", they are forbidden from explaining it. We need grow up? lol.....if you look at the whole agenda, its really a pro homosexual agenda....all the sex ed talk is to distract people from talking about the fact they are teaching them at grade school age its ok to have sexual feelings for someone of the same sex. While that is an opinion that many may choose to hold (and Im ok with THEIR decision), its not something Id want anyone telling my kid while they are there to be schooled. No kid of mine would darken a door in that school EVER!Long story short, people need to grow up and realize that most kids are already aware of this stuff, and we need to make sure they understand it correctly, rather than getting all their facts from Billy on the playground. >:( Bingo. The agenda is to normalize homosexuality. When little Billy brings home his first date and it's little Jimmy from next door, it is to be normal, regular, not taboo. -Mike Title: Re: ? WTF Post by: Chrisj CMA on July 17, 2010, 07:01:12 PM My friend is a teacher, and she has had to deal with sex education in elementary school. One of the stupidest things I've heard so far is that they discuss anatomy, and they discuss pregnancy, but they're not allowed to talk about intercourse. So when the kids ask "So how does the sperm get to the egg?", they are forbidden from explaining it. We need grow up? lol.....if you look at the whole agenda, its really a pro homosexual agenda....all the sex ed talk is to distract people from talking about the fact they are teaching them at grade school age its ok to have sexual feelings for someone of the same sex. While that is an opinion that many may choose to hold (and Im ok with THEIR decision), its not something Id want anyone telling my kid while they are there to be schooled. No kid of mine would darken a door in that school EVER!Long story short, people need to grow up and realize that most kids are already aware of this stuff, and we need to make sure they understand it correctly, rather than getting all their facts from Billy on the playground. >:( Bingo. The agenda is to normalize homosexuality. When little Billy brings home his first date and it's little Jimmy from next door, it is to be normal, regular, not taboo. -Mike Its just as ok to believe that homosexuality is wrong in Gods eyes therefore mine. But you watch what would happen in this day and age if that would be introduced as a lesson plan. What kids need to be shown (not just taught in schools) is that no matter what you think a person is doing right or wrong, they are person that God loves and you dont HATE someone because they disagree with you. Title: Re: ? WTF Post by: RoadKill on July 17, 2010, 09:58:22 PM Many of the returning soldiers here talk about "Man love Thursday" in Iraq. It seems that in that culture women are for procreation and men are for pleasure. Is that the next "family planning" or form of birth control to be taught in schools? We can be just like Islam!!!! :tickedoff:
Title: Re: ? WTF Post by: junior on July 18, 2010, 06:05:11 AM just put some porn in the class and teach the kids hand to hand combat in phis ed, and dont forget gun control 101 = kill what you point the wepon at................. :2funny:
Title: Re: ? WTF Post by: Bobbo on July 18, 2010, 09:24:47 PM Many of the returning soldiers here talk about "Man love Thursday" in Iraq. It seems that in that culture women are for procreation and men are for pleasure. Is that the next "family planning" or form of birth control to be taught in schools? We can be just like Islam!!!! :tickedoff: Sexual use of men (usually young boys) by upper class men was common in the Mediterranean area as far back as Roman times and before. They didn’t associate a stigma with it as in modern day America. This behavior wasn’t associated with a particular religion, but with the culture. Title: Re: ? WTF Post by: Bobbo on July 18, 2010, 09:28:11 PM We need grow up? lol.....if you look at the whole agenda, its really a pro homosexual agenda....all the sex ed talk is to distract people from talking about the fact they are teaching them at grade school age its ok to have sexual feelings for someone of the same sex. While that is an opinion that many may choose to hold (and Im ok with THEIR decision), its not something Id want anyone telling my kid while they are there to be schooled. No kid of mine would darken a door in that school EVER! If you believe that homosexuality is a chosen option, can you please describe how long you considered being a homosexual before choosing your preference? Title: Re: ? WTF Post by: Bobbo on July 18, 2010, 09:31:15 PM Joanne's quote of the day "Liberals are so open minded... their brains have fallen out!" :2funny: And closed minded people are so closed minded that their brains have shrink to the size of a pea?! ;D ;D ;D Title: Re: ? WTF Post by: Chrisj CMA on July 19, 2010, 04:58:13 AM Many of the returning soldiers here talk about "Man love Thursday" in Iraq. It seems that in that culture women are for procreation and men are for pleasure. Is that the next "family planning" or form of birth control to be taught in schools? We can be just like Islam!!!! :tickedoff: Sexual use of men (usually young boys) by upper class men was common in the Mediterranean area as far back as Roman times and before. They didn’t associate a stigma with it as in modern day America. This behavior wasn’t associated with a particular religion, but with the culture. It doesnt matter how long its been practiced or who did/does it......God put plainly in his word how he feels about it, so for anyone that claims to trust the Bible as the Word of God, its not ok. Yes there will always be homosexuals, and there will always be this social/moral predicament.......Its just not ok (in my book) for the schools to teach our kids its now ok, simply not their place What they should teach is the acceptance of all people and the difference between loving a person and hating the sin. Title: Re: ? WTF Post by: hubcapsc on July 19, 2010, 07:33:00 AM Sexual use of men (usually young boys) by upper class men was common in the Mediterranean area as far back as Roman times and before. They didn’t associate a stigma with it as in modern day America. There is a full scale movement afoot to fix it where we don't associate a stigma to it in the US. -Mike Title: Re: ? WTF Post by: Bobbo on July 19, 2010, 08:45:31 AM It doesnt matter how long its been practiced or who did/does it......God put plainly in his word how he feels about it, so for anyone that claims to trust the Bible as the Word of God, its not ok. And you are 100% within your rights to not practice homosexuality and live your personal life as you see fit. This does not mean that laws should be created to govern all people based on personal beliefs. Yes there will always be homosexuals, and there will always be this social/moral predicament.......Its just not ok (in my book) for the schools to teach our kids its now ok, simply not their place What they should teach is the acceptance of all people and the difference between loving a person and hating the sin. My understanding is that schools are teaching that homosexuality exists and that it’s wrong to attack someone because of it. It is then up to the parents to explain their particular viewpoints and any moral or religious values that are associated with it. I don’t believe schools should be in the business of identifying “sins” and prescribing hate towards them. Title: Re: ? WTF Post by: Chrisj CMA on July 19, 2010, 11:04:24 AM It doesnt matter how long its been practiced or who did/does it......God put plainly in his word how he feels about it, so for anyone that claims to trust the Bible as the Word of God, its not ok. And you are 100% within your rights to not practice homosexuality and live your personal life as you see fit. This does not mean that laws should be created to govern all people based on personal beliefs. Yes there will always be homosexuals, and there will always be this social/moral predicament.......Its just not ok (in my book) for the schools to teach our kids its now ok, simply not their place What they should teach is the acceptance of all people and the difference between loving a person and hating the sin. My understanding is that schools are teaching that homosexuality exists and that it’s wrong to attack someone because of it. It is then up to the parents to explain their particular viewpoints and any moral or religious values that are associated with it. I don’t believe schools should be in the business of identifying “sins” and prescribing hate towards them. Title: Re: ? WTF Post by: Bobbo on July 19, 2010, 11:39:38 AM If thats your understanding...then you dont have much contact with those that work in public schools.............there certainly is a move afoot to normalize homosexuality, not just describe what it is..... To say the schools are trying to “normalize homosexuality” is misguided. Behavioral science does not characterize homosexuality as a mental illness or abnormality, so it cannot be “normalized”. If you are suggesting that schools are encouraging or promoting homosexuality, then you may want to reconsider which teachers you have contact with. Title: Re: ? WTF Post by: hubcapsc on July 19, 2010, 12:25:38 PM To say the schools are trying to “normalize homosexuality” is misguided. Behavioral science does not characterize homosexuality as a mental illness or abnormality, so it cannot be “normalized”. If you are suggesting that schools are encouraging or promoting homosexuality, then you may want to reconsider which teachers you have contact with. Bobbo's not listening. Heretofore homosexuality has been taboo in society. There is a move afoot to normalize it in society. It used to be classed a mental illness before the move to normalize it gained enough strength, now they talk about "difference in brain structure" and search for "gay genes" (see Chandler Burr "A Separate Creation" or the May 2000 edition of The American Biology Teacher or a million other places)... -Mike Title: Re: ? WTF Post by: Chrisj CMA on July 19, 2010, 12:29:34 PM To say the schools are trying to “normalize homosexuality” is misguided. Behavioral science does not characterize homosexuality as a mental illness or abnormality, so it cannot be “normalized”. If you are suggesting that schools are encouraging or promoting homosexuality, then you may want to reconsider which teachers you have contact with. Bobbo's not listening. Heretofore homosexuality has been taboo in society. There is a move afoot to normalize it in society. It used to be classed a mental illness before the move to normalize it gained enough strength, now they talk about "difference in brain structure" and search for "gay genes" (see Chandler Burr "A Separate Creation" or the May 2000 edition of The American Biology Teacher or a million other places)... -Mike excatly Mike, Soon we that think homosexuality is abnormal behavior will be labeled with some kind of disorder Title: Re: ? WTF Post by: Bobbo on July 19, 2010, 01:58:00 PM Heretofore homosexuality has been taboo in society. There is a move afoot to normalize it in society. It used to be classed a mental illness before the move to normalize it gained enough strength, now they talk about "difference in brain structure" and search for "gay genes" (see Chandler Burr "A Separate Creation" or the May 2000 edition of The American Biology Teacher or a million other places)... -Mike Homosexuality was taboo in some societies, certainly not all (see previous posts). The “move to normalize it” as you call it was based on the fact that no research was done to show that this was a mental illness, thus it had no reason to be listed. The most likely reason it was characterized as abnormal was due to religious beliefs and not to scientific study. The book you recommend actually takes this a step further to investigate the possibility of a genetic explanation. Traits like red hair, freckles, and blue eyes can be traced to genetic differences. Are these also considered abnormal? Title: Re: ? WTF Post by: Bobbo on July 19, 2010, 01:59:29 PM excatly Mike, Soon we that think homosexuality is abnormal behavior will be labeled with some kind of disorder Not a disorder, just ill-informed. Title: Re: ? WTF Post by: 3fan4life on July 20, 2010, 10:11:32 AM Sexual use of men (usually young boys) by upper class men was common in the Mediterranean area as far back as Roman times and before. They didn’t associate a stigma with it as in modern day America. This behavior wasn’t associated with a particular religion, but with the culture. I must be totally misinformed here........ because I thought that the penalty for Homosexuality in Islamic nations was "DEATH". The big picture here is........ SHOULD IT BE OK FOR 1st and 2nd graders to be taught "ANYTHING" about sex??? Remember that we're talking about 6 and 7 yr olds here. IMHO: That is just TOO YOUNG for the topic. Title: Re: ? WTF Post by: 3fan4life on July 20, 2010, 10:20:50 AM If you believe that homosexuality is a chosen option, can you please describe how long you considered being a homosexual before choosing your preference? First I'm going to preface this with: WHAT PEOPLE DO IN THEIR BEDROOMS IS THEIR BUSINESS. With that said I do believe that there is a movement afoot to get homosexuality accepted as normal. Well, if it's normal then it is a "CHOICE" If it isn't normal then it is some type of "GENETIC MISPROGRAMING" What is obvious is that it CAN'T be BOTH. The only thing that Jerry Falwell ever said that I agree with is that: "Homosexuality is a crime against nature". Title: Re: ? WTF Post by: Bobbo on July 20, 2010, 10:36:43 AM I must be totally misinformed here........ because I thought that the penalty for Homosexuality in Islamic nations was "DEATH". It depends on the Islamic nation. Some allow it, some give jail time, and some death. As I said, culture, not religion, is the factor. The big picture here is........ SHOULD IT BE OK FOR 1st and 2nd graders to be taught "ANYTHING" about sex??? Remember that we're talking about 6 and 7 yr olds here. IMHO: That is just TOO YOUNG for the topic. Homosexual relationships involve much more than sex. To teach that those relationships exist is probably a good thing. I don’t know about you, but I and everyone I know had a pretty good idea about what sex was by the end of first grade! :o :evil: Some of it wrong, and some right. Title: Re: ? WTF Post by: Bobbo on July 20, 2010, 10:46:58 AM With that said I do believe that there is a movement afoot to get homosexuality accepted as normal. Well, if it's normal then it is a "CHOICE" If it isn't normal then it is some type of "GENETIC MISPROGRAMING" What is obvious is that it CAN'T be BOTH. Is being left handed normal? If it is, would that also a choice? The only thing that Jerry Falwell ever said that I agree with is that: "Homosexuality is a crime against nature". I’m guessing Jerry Falwell said this because homosexual sex doesn’t produce offspring. There are many ways heterosexuals can have sex without involving pregnancy. Are these also “crimes against nature”? Since a 60 year old man can get an 11 year old girl pregnant, is that considered “natural” by the Jerry standard you have accepted? Title: Re: ? WTF Post by: Chrisj CMA on July 20, 2010, 10:55:08 AM Homosexuality has been around since sex has been around. People have been murdering each other since there has been people. Alchololics have been getting drunk since we invented alchololic drinks.
Each of these things can be linked to traits that people can be born with, so some say God Created them. Well, I understand the complexity of that argument, however I choose not to get entangled therein right now. What I do want to say is that even though someone may feel they were "born that way" Each of these things are specifically outlined in the Bible as not ok with God. So this I know is true.....even if someone has a strong desire toward something that God says no to....by refraining from that, he lives out the scripture.......take up your cross, die to self, and follow me. God is glorified when these temptations are not followed through on by a Christian. AMEN Title: Re: ? WTF Post by: G-Man on July 20, 2010, 10:57:29 AM What has failed in public schools? Ours in St. Chuck, MO are pretty good. If you are referring to inner-city schools, I might agree, but that has a lot to do with the local school board, and not public schools in general. And the lack of parenting! Title: Re: ? WTF Post by: 3fan4life on July 20, 2010, 10:58:29 AM Homosexual relationships involve much more than sex. To teach that those relationships exist is probably a good thing. I don’t know about you, but I and everyone I know had a pretty good idea about what sex was by the end of first grade! :o :evil: Some of it wrong, and some right. I can't say that I knew ANYTHING about sex in the first or second grade. I don't even remember any conscious thoughts about it until about fifth grade (age 10 or 11). There is a difference between teaching that something exists and going into detail about it. The following is a JOKE: A Tough Question An 8-year-old girl went to her dad, who was working in the yard. She asked him, "Daddy, what is sex?" The father was surprised that she would ask such a question, but decides that if she is old enough to ask the question, then she is old enough to get a straight answer. He proceeded to tell her all about the "birds and the bees." When he finished explaining, the little girl was looking at him with her mouth hanging open. The father asked her, "Why did you ask this question?" The little girl replied, "Mom told me to tell you that dinner would be ready in just a couple of secs." What makes this funny is that the father went into much more detail than was necessary and he obviously didn't understand the question in the first place. Young Kids don't need or want all of the details on a subject, usually a very simplistic answer will do. Title: Re: ? WTF Post by: Bobbo on July 20, 2010, 11:05:08 AM What has failed in public schools? Ours in St. Chuck, MO are pretty good. If you are referring to inner-city schools, I might agree, but that has a lot to do with the local school board, and not public schools in general. And the lack of parenting! That is also a factor. :cooldude: Title: Re: ? WTF Post by: 3fan4life on July 20, 2010, 11:08:12 AM Is being left handed normal? If it is, would that also a choice? Left handedness was once considered to be taboo. And lefthanded kids were forced to "learn" to use their right hand. I know this because my father was one of those kids. I am left handed and all of my brothers are left handed and you would be correct in saying that I didn't consciously choose this. What I said earlier was that homosexuality is either a choice or genetic misprogramming it can't be both. I still stand behind that statement. I didn't say which one I think that it is. Since a 60 year old man can get an 11 year old girl pregnant, is that considered “natural” by the Jerry standard you have accepted? What a way to comepletely go off the rails here.... Title: Re: ? WTF Post by: Bobbo on July 20, 2010, 11:20:06 AM There is a difference between teaching that something exists and going into detail about it. What makes this funny is that the father went into much more detail than was necessary and he obviously didn't understand the question in the first place. Young Kids don't need or want all of the details on a subject, usually a very simplistic answer will do. I agree that the details are unnecessary, and would confuse children. I doubt that the curriculum involves intimate details, and I would disagree with it if it did. Here’s a joke related to my earlier post: Little 6 year old Johnny has a new baby brother. He asks his father where babies come from. The father, not knowing what to say, replies, “The stork brought him”. Little Johnny gets a quizzical look on his face and asks “OK, so who F***ED the stork?”! Title: Re: ? WTF Post by: Bobbo on July 20, 2010, 11:40:32 AM What I said earlier was that homosexuality is either a choice or genetic misprogramming it can't be both. I still stand behind that statement. I didn't say which one I think that it is. The term “misprogramming” implies abnormal, since the prefix “mis” means wrong. I might agree if it were stated as “genetic programming”. I don’t know the cause of it either, but I’ve never heard of anyone saying that they chose their sexual preference. Since a 60 year old man can get an 11 year old girl pregnant, is that considered “natural” by the Jerry standard you have accepted? What a way to comepletely go off the rails here.... Sometimes you need an extreme, but valid example to make a point. Title: Re: ? WTF Post by: Jeff K on July 20, 2010, 11:58:35 AM I don’t know the cause of it either, but I’ve never heard of anyone saying that they chose their sexual preference. I don't know about that, peer pressure is quite a force. My kids told me that when the were in high school it was "trendy" to be lesbian. I said the same thing, that you couldn't choose to be lesbian, but they assured me I was wrong. On that same note, I doubt that all the sexuality "changes" that happen in prison are not genetic. :D Title: Re: ? WTF Post by: 3fan4life on July 20, 2010, 12:06:42 PM The term “misprogramming” implies abnormal, since the prefix “mis” means wrong. I might agree if it were stated as “genetic programming”. Since the "purpose" of sex in nature is to ensure the continuation of the species then any sexual relationship that has no chance of achieving this could be considered unnatural. Humans do have sex for many reasons other than pro creation..... the argument about what is moral or immoral about that is not one that I am going to have here. The oppinions and the possibilities are literally endless. I don’t know the cause of it either, but I’ve never heard of anyone saying that they chose their sexual preference. I have heard some say that homosexuality is a choice. I have heard others say that they can't help it that they were born that way. I'm not sure which one is correct either, all that I know for sure is that it can't be both. Sometimes you need an extreme, but valid example to make a point. Not only extreme but highly illegal in all 50 states and in most nations around the world. Tell the truth is your problem with the statement or with the source? Title: Re: ? WTF Post by: 3fan4life on July 20, 2010, 12:18:39 PM I don't know about that, peer pressure is quite a force. My kids told me that when the were in high school it was "trendy" to be lesbian. I said the same thing, that you couldn't choose to be lesbian, but they assured me I was wrong. On that same note, I doubt that all the sexuality "changes" that happen in prison are not genetic. :D This is EXACTLY Part of my point. Peer pressure especially among teenage girls is a very powerful thing..... And being taught from the time that they begin school that SAME SEX relationships are NORMAL makes them much more likely to "EXPERIMENT". Just because some people have had homosexual relationships throughout history doesn't mean that they are "NORMAL". Again, whatever consenting adults choose to do in their bedroom is their business. But the question remains should our schools be teaching 6 and 7 yr olds that it is OK for them to be GAY? Title: Re: ? WTF Post by: Bobbo on July 20, 2010, 01:05:52 PM I don’t know the cause of it either, but I’ve never heard of anyone saying that they chose their sexual preference. I don't know about that, peer pressure is quite a force. My kids told me that when the were in high school it was "trendy" to be lesbian. I said the same thing, that you couldn't choose to be lesbian, but they assured me I was wrong. On that same note, I doubt that all the sexuality "changes" that happen in prison are not genetic. :D Oh, I’m sure you can be coerced into any behavior. Just like 3fan4life said, his father was forced to use his right hand. I am right handed, and could use my left hand to write and do other things, but I’m still right handed. If I was an insecure kid and thought it was trendy to be left handed, I might do that. There is a difference between homosexuality and the act of sex between same sex people. Ancient Greeks and others considered sex acts between men acts of power and privilege. I doubt they were all homosexual. Title: Re: ? WTF Post by: 3fan4life on July 20, 2010, 01:24:49 PM There is a difference between homosexuality and the act of sex between same sex people. A thin line indeed............. The curious thing is that I bet you would find more homosexuals that disagreed with this statement than agreed with it. Title: Re: ? WTF Post by: valkMJ on July 20, 2010, 01:29:08 PM But the question remains should our schools be teaching 6 and 7 yr olds that it is OK for them to be GAY? That's a tough one. I think what they should really be teaching is tolerance of people who are gay. If little Billy has two daddys, I think it's fair that the other children learn that it's okay. Whether or not you think it's okay to be homosexual, you should at least agree that people deserve to live their lives the way they choose. (Yeah, I realize I'm going to bring down the firestorm with that remark.) :( Title: Re: ? WTF Post by: Chrisj CMA on July 20, 2010, 01:35:37 PM But the question remains should our schools be teaching 6 and 7 yr olds that it is OK for them to be GAY? That's a tough one. I think what they should really be teaching is tolerance of people who are gay. If little Billy has two daddys, I think it's fair that the other children learn that it's okay. Whether or not you think it's okay to be homosexual, you should at least agree that people deserve to live their lives the way they choose. (Yeah, I realize I'm going to bring down the firestorm with that remark.) :( As long as kids dont get chastised for (if) they believe homosexualtiy is wrong. Yes, they still need to be taught to accept someone elses reality, but they need to be allowed to believe its wrong if thats what they believe. Title: Re: ? WTF Post by: Bobbo on July 20, 2010, 01:41:16 PM There is a difference between homosexuality and the act of sex between same sex people. A thin line indeed............. The curious thing is that I bet you would find more homosexuals that disagreed with this statement than agreed with it. Not a thin line. The romantic relationship is also included. Maybe you should start a poll or ask your homosexual friends this question. Title: Re: ? WTF Post by: 3fan4life on July 20, 2010, 01:52:37 PM That's a tough one. I think what they should really be teaching is tolerance of people who are gay. If little Billy has two daddys, I think it's fair that the other children learn that it's okay. Tolerance and Acceptance are two different things. It comes down to "Hate the Sin but Love the Sinner". (which is another topic that 6 and 7 yr olds probably aren't mature enough to understand). Wouldn't it be easier to just teach kids that it isn't right to ridicule each other period? Whether or not you think it's okay to be homosexual, you should at least agree that people deserve to live their lives the way they choose. (Yeah, I realize I'm going to bring down the firestorm with that remark.) :( No FIRESTORM from me............ People have a right to do whatever they please in the privacy of their bedrooms. That doesn't mean however that 6 and 7 yr old kids should be taught that it's OK if they are Gay. Beyond a curiosity of what the difference is between boys and girls children of this age aren't sexual beings yet. And I think that it's wrong to attempt to sexualize them in any way. Title: Re: ? WTF Post by: Bobbo on July 20, 2010, 01:54:05 PM As long as kids dont get chastised for (if) they believe homosexualtiy is wrong. Yes, they still need to be taught to accept someone elses reality, but they need to be allowed to believe its wrong if thats what they believe. I agree that kids should never be chastised for their beliefs. When they act out on them, it is a different story. Title: Re: ? WTF Post by: 3fan4life on July 20, 2010, 02:01:35 PM Maybe you should start a poll No poll is necessary........... after all an oppinion poll is still just a compilation of oppinions. or ask your homosexual friends this question. I sense a little sarcasm here........ it may surprise you to learn that I do have friends / coworkers that are homosexual. Some of which I have heard make ugly remarks towards people that they thought were just "experimenting". Title: Re: ? WTF Post by: Stanley Steamer on July 20, 2010, 02:04:39 PM Maybe you should start a poll No poll is necessary........... after all an oppinion poll is still just a compilation of oppinions. or ask your homosexual friends this question. I sense a little sarcasm here........ it may surprise you to learn that I do have friends / coworkers that are homosexual. Some of which I have heard make ugly remarks towards people that they thought were just "experimenting". I'm not experimenting....I've been a lesbian for at least 25 years!!.... :cooldude: :D ;D Title: Re: ? WTF Post by: Bobbo on July 20, 2010, 02:04:55 PM That doesn't mean however that 6 and 7 yr old kids should be taught that it's OK if they are Gay. Beyond a curiosity of what the difference is between boys and girls children of this age aren't sexual beings yet. And I think that it's wrong to attempt to sexualize them in any way. From what I have read, the curriculum is to teach awareness of homosexuality, not to teach sex acts to kids. Kids might see the example of Billy’s two Mommies or Daddies, and wonder what’s going on. The most obvious reason to teach kids this is to avoid ridicule from unaware kids. If you research the history of religious beliefs (mostly modern Christianity) and homosexuality, you will see that it resulted in quite a few suicides and murders. Title: Re: ? WTF Post by: Bobbo on July 20, 2010, 02:07:44 PM I sense a little sarcasm here........ it may surprise you to learn that I do have friends / coworkers that are homosexual. Some of which I have heard make ugly remarks towards people that they thought were just "experimenting". No sarcasm. I would be surprised if you DIDN’T know any homosexuals! Title: Re: ? WTF Post by: 3fan4life on July 20, 2010, 02:08:36 PM I'm not experimenting....I've been a lesbian for at least 25 years!!.... :cooldude: :D ;D +1 :cooldude: I am definately a Lesbian Trapped in a Man's body ;D Title: Re: ? WTF Post by: Chrisj CMA on July 20, 2010, 02:13:28 PM That doesn't mean however that 6 and 7 yr old kids should be taught that it's OK if they are Gay. Beyond a curiosity of what the difference is between boys and girls children of this age aren't sexual beings yet. And I think that it's wrong to attempt to sexualize them in any way. From what I have read, the curriculum is to teach awareness of homosexuality, not to teach sex acts to kids. Kids might see the example of Billy’s two Mommies or Daddies, and wonder what’s going on. The most obvious reason to teach kids this is to avoid ridicule from unaware kids. If you research the history of religious beliefs (mostly modern Christianity) and homosexuality, you will see that it resulted in quite a few suicides and murders. Title: Re: ? WTF Post by: 3fan4life on July 20, 2010, 02:20:59 PM The most obvious reason to teach kids this is to avoid ridicule from unaware kids. Agreed, but wouldn't it make more sense just to teach kids that ridculing others for any reason is wrong? If you research the history of religious beliefs (mostly modern Christianity) and homosexuality, you will see that it resulted in quite a few suicides and murders. I have puposely stayed away from the religious aspect. Because, the point here isn't whether homosexuality is right or wrong, it's whether it's ok to teach young children about it. And for the record I would be against any curriculum that teaches young children anything about sexual relationships. It is unclear from the article exactly what the curriculum proposes to teach them, but since it proposes to teach 5th graders (10 and 11 yr olds) about sexual positions, I would be fearful of how much information it also intended to pass along to the 6 and 7 yr olds. Title: Re: ? WTF Post by: fstsix on July 20, 2010, 02:53:10 PM This topic will go on forever, here is something that stuck in my heart to this day, first i have lost 1 cousin from Aids and my old best friend from Aids 25 years ago, and God loves the Homosexual but hates the Sin. When my Daughter was about 12 she came down the stairs one morning crying? my wife and i asked what was wrong? She said i had a dream i was going to have a Baby brother "we only had her" no siblings,..My wife a Cancer survivor could never have a child again (so we thought) we comforted her and what could we say? within 90 days i got a phone call from a relative and said, I am working for a young Doctor and this teenage Girl came in his office for a exam and she was pregnant, She knew we had the desire to adopt,, so we went up north and met her at a coffee shop on a first name basis, She talked more to my daughter about what she had, her private school and so on, We asked why she did not want to try to raise this child herself, as her mother was not going to want to go for giving her Grandbaby up so easy. She said I want this Child to Have A Mother and a Father.....that she came from a broken family...22 years later and i still here Her words.
Title: Re: ? WTF Post by: Bobbo on July 20, 2010, 02:53:40 PM And for the record I would be against any curriculum that teaches young children anything about sexual relationships. It is unclear from the article exactly what the curriculum proposes to teach them, but since it proposes to teach 5th graders (10 and 11 yr olds) about sexual positions, I would be fearful of how much information it also intended to pass along to the 6 and 7 yr olds. The article says the proposed curriculum teaches 5th graders that there are different acts that constitute sexual intercourse. This is probably consistent with the curriculum teaching about STD’s. Since some kids are having sexual relationships as young as 11, it sounds like they want to inform them of dangers they didn’t realize. Title: Re: ? WTF Post by: asfltdncr on July 20, 2010, 04:47:46 PM Life's experience. In grade school there was a boy named Ray that spoke and acted very effeminate. None of us stupid kids knew anything about gay people so we did what young boys do--beat the sh..t out of him and harass him at every turn. Well, it made sense when he married another man.
Maybe, he might be like BOB who sat by himself and everyone called him a book worm,etc. Turns out he was also gay. It may have been cool to "act" like lesbians as one of the members spoke about, but the fact is, you're born with a preference to men or you have a preference for women (don't know about bi's). It is not a choice. Sin--B.S. It seems that incest is exceptable in the bible-no sin?- and that is a choice. Not knowing exactly what the curriculem is or was, it would be hard to condemn. Leave it to the parents----I don't think so until they grow up and take responsibility for themselves. I live in an area that is very religious and I have never seen more babies having babies (and I migrated from SoCal). The teaching of abstinance and no birth control statistically shows higher pregnancy rates as well as the passing of STD's because they don't obstain and don't use protection and don't learn &%#$ at home or at school where sex education is being dictated by the religious conservative right. Choice-who the #&^% would choose to be homosexual where most of this country doesn't accept you and you are descriminated against almost everywhere you go. I would imagine being gay is not for the weak. Title: Re: ? WTF Post by: fstsix on July 21, 2010, 02:33:14 PM Life's experience. In grade school there was a boy named Ray that spoke and acted very effeminate. None of us stupid kids knew anything about gay people so we did what young boys do--beat the sh..t out of him and harass him at every turn. asfltdancer...This is one of the most again hateful post that i have seen again from you! Tell us? what and when did you realize you where wrong for beating the $hit out of this kid ? And why would anybody on this Board not confront you for your Ignorance regarding something so Violent from your past.....
Title: Re: ? WTF Post by: asfltdncr on July 21, 2010, 03:48:49 PM Life's experience. In grade school there was a boy named Ray that spoke and acted very effeminate. None of us stupid kids knew anything about gay people so we did what young boys do--beat the sh..t out of him and harass him at every turn. asfltdancer...This is one of the most again hateful post that i have seen again from you! Tell us? what and when did you realize you where wrong for beating the $hit out of this kid ? And why would anybody on this Board not confront you for your Ignorance regarding something so Violent from your past..... Well Mr. Six :angel:, did you not fight and pick on someone when you were young--don't lie Christian?As for confrontation, bring it on. You told me you like a good argument. I don't think you are taking into consideration the era-but then again you probably didn't think that far before responding. By the way Mr. Six, I'm proud of you for formulating a thought and conveying it in your own words rather than the long-winded copy/paste junk you usually come up with that also makes no sense. :evil: Title: Re: ? WTF Post by: fstsix on July 21, 2010, 03:51:19 PM Life's experience. In grade school there was a boy named Ray that spoke and acted very effeminate. None of us stupid kids knew anything about gay people so we did what young boys do--beat the sh..t out of him and harass him at every turn. asfltdancer...This is one of the most again hateful post that i have seen again from you! Tell us? what and when did you realize you where wrong for beating the $hit out of this kid ? And why would anybody on this Board not confront you for your Ignorance regarding something so Violent from your past..... Well Mr. Six :angel:, did you not fight and pick on someone when you were young--don't lie Christian?As for confrontation, bring it on. You told me you like a good argument. I don't think you are taking into consideration the era-but then again you probably didn't think that far before responding. By the way Mr. Six, I'm proud of you for formulating a thought and conveying it in your own words rather than the long-winded copy/paste junk you usually come up with that also makes no sense. :evil: Title: Re: ? WTF Post by: Psychotic Bovine on July 21, 2010, 04:08:48 PM Life's experience. In grade school there was a boy named Ray that spoke and acted very effeminate. None of us stupid kids knew anything about gay people so we did what young boys do--beat the sh..t out of him and harass him at every turn. asfltdancer...This is one of the most again hateful post that i have seen again from you! Tell us? what and when did you realize you where wrong for beating the $hit out of this kid ? And why would anybody on this Board not confront you for your Ignorance regarding something so Violent from your past..... Well Mr. Six :angel:, did you not fight and pick on someone when you were young--don't lie Christian?As for confrontation, bring it on. You told me you like a good argument. I don't think you are taking into consideration the era-but then again you probably didn't think that far before responding. By the way Mr. Six, I'm proud of you for formulating a thought and conveying it in your own words rather than the long-winded copy/paste junk you usually come up with that also makes no sense. :evil: I was harassed through grade school and high school. No reason for it as far as I could tell. I was always quiet and non controntational in school (that was probably it). From my understanding, bullies don't really need a reason. And they seldom change later in life. Most remain bullies to the very end. As far as homosexuality being a choice, I really don't know. But, the same argument could be made for pedophilia, too. If you want to read something, look up NAMBLA. They make a lot of the same arguments that the gay community has made. Ok, I can see the whole idea of "between consenting adults", so where do we draw the line. As far as I can tell, polygamy is between consenting adults. It's legal in some countries.... why not here? Isn't that a case of people passing on their biases toward others who might see things different? Title: Re: ? WTF Post by: RoadKill on July 21, 2010, 05:00:06 PM I was the poor kid in school,dressed in hand-me downs and always getting picked on. I was also the Big kid on the playground,looking down at the top's of the bullies heads. Stomping the 4th grade bullies just led to having to knock the crap out of their 6th or 8th grade brothers or cousins and one time I kicked a dad in the nards and ran like hell! As an Army brat schools changed but the bullies never did. I stood up for any other student getting bullied as well...and that caused problems of it's own. As I got older other students got bigger and I was not the big kid any more. The last school fight I was involved in the bully out weighed me by 100lbs and neither one of us had an oz of fat. He was pushing around a dork I wouldnt even talk to because he wasn't smart enough for conversation. When I asked why he did that all he could say was " Look at him,What a fag " ! I got 3 days off from school that time but the bully had to explain to his brother/guardian/local COP why I should pay for the stitches and not him! I still talk with his brother and the wife works with him but I dont think his (not so little) brother bullied any one else while I was in that school.
If no one ever stands up for what's right.......what we have today is what you get for it!! :tickedoff: :tickedoff: :tickedoff: Title: Re: ? WTF Post by: asfltdncr on July 21, 2010, 05:38:08 PM Life's experience. In grade school there was a boy named Ray that spoke and acted very effeminate. None of us stupid kids knew anything about gay people so we did what young boys do--beat the sh..t out of him and harass him at every turn. asfltdancer...This is one of the most again hateful post that i have seen again from you! Tell us? what and when did you realize you where wrong for beating the $hit out of this kid ? And why would anybody on this Board not confront you for your Ignorance regarding something so Violent from your past..... Well Mr. Six :angel:, did you not fight and pick on someone when you were young--don't lie Christian?As for confrontation, bring it on. You told me you like a good argument. I don't think you are taking into consideration the era-but then again you probably didn't think that far before responding. By the way Mr. Six, I'm proud of you for formulating a thought and conveying it in your own words rather than the long-winded copy/paste junk you usually come up with that also makes no sense. :evil: Title: Re: ? WTF Post by: fstsix on July 21, 2010, 05:45:28 PM Life's experience. In grade school there was a boy named Ray that spoke and acted very effeminate. None of us stupid kids knew anything about gay people so we did what young boys do--beat the sh..t out of him and harass him at every turn. asfltdancer...This is one of the most again hateful post that i have seen again from you! Tell us? what and when did you realize you where wrong for beating the $hit out of this kid ? And why would anybody on this Board not confront you for your Ignorance regarding something so Violent from your past..... Well Mr. Six :angel:, did you not fight and pick on someone when you were young--don't lie Christian?As for confrontation, bring it on. You told me you like a good argument. I don't think you are taking into consideration the era-but then again you probably didn't think that far before responding. By the way Mr. Six, I'm proud of you for formulating a thought and conveying it in your own words rather than the long-winded copy/paste junk you usually come up with that also makes no sense. :evil: Title: Re: ? WTF Post by: RoadKill on July 21, 2010, 05:48:39 PM Life's experience. In grade school there was a boy named Ray that spoke and acted very effeminate. None of us stupid kids knew anything about gay people so we did what young boys do--beat the sh..t out of him and harass him at every turn. asfltdancer...This is one of the most again hateful post that i have seen again from you! Tell us? what and when did you realize you where wrong for beating the $hit out of this kid ? And why would anybody on this Board not confront you for your Ignorance regarding something so Violent from your past..... Well Mr. Six :angel:, did you not fight and pick on someone when you were young--don't lie Christian?As for confrontation, bring it on. You told me you like a good argument. I don't think you are taking into consideration the era-but then again you probably didn't think that far before responding. By the way Mr. Six, I'm proud of you for formulating a thought and conveying it in your own words rather than the long-winded copy/paste junk you usually come up with that also makes no sense. :evil: I'm actually more interested in WHAT convinced you it was wrong. Pier pressure? A teachers lasting words? end up on other side of the fence?... ??? Either way :cooldude: Title: Re: ? WTF Post by: Bobbo on July 21, 2010, 08:31:33 PM As far as I can tell, polygamy is between consenting adults. It's legal in some countries.... why not here? I think some states (Utah is one of them) allowed polygamy for a while. Even if it was allowed, I couldn’t handle more wives! I can barely handle the one I have!! :evil: Title: Re: ? WTF Post by: Stanley Steamer on July 21, 2010, 08:33:26 PM As far as I can tell, polygamy is between consenting adults. It's legal in some countries.... why not here? I think some states (Utah is one of them) allowed polygamy for a while. Even if it was allowed, I couldn’t handle more wives! I can barely handle the one I have!! :evil: 6 is my limit..... :cooldude: :D ;D Title: Re: ? WTF Post by: RoadKill on July 21, 2010, 08:47:23 PM As far as I can tell, polygamy is between consenting adults. It's legal in some countries.... why not here? I think some states (Utah is one of them) allowed polygamy for a while. Even if it was allowed, I couldn’t handle more wives! I can barely handle the one I have!! :evil: 6 is my limit..... :cooldude: :D ;D Title: Re: ? WTF Post by: asfltdncr on July 22, 2010, 10:38:04 AM Life's experience. In grade school there was a boy named Ray that spoke and acted very effeminate. None of us stupid kids knew anything about gay people so we did what young boys do--beat the sh..t out of him and harass him at every turn. asfltdancer...This is one of the most again hateful post that i have seen again from you! Tell us? what and when did you realize you where wrong for beating the $hit out of this kid ? And why would anybody on this Board not confront you for your Ignorance regarding something so Violent from your past..... Well Mr. Six :angel:, did you not fight and pick on someone when you were young--don't lie Christian?As for confrontation, bring it on. You told me you like a good argument. I don't think you are taking into consideration the era-but then again you probably didn't think that far before responding. By the way Mr. Six, I'm proud of you for formulating a thought and conveying it in your own words rather than the long-winded copy/paste junk you usually come up with that also makes no sense. :evil: I'm actually more interested in WHAT convinced you it was wrong. Pier pressure? A teachers lasting words? end up on other side of the fence?... ??? Either way :cooldude: Title: Re: ? WTF Post by: asfltdncr on July 22, 2010, 10:47:36 AM Life's experience. In grade school there was a boy named Ray that spoke and acted very effeminate. None of us stupid kids knew anything about gay people so we did what young boys do--beat the sh..t out of him and harass him at every turn. asfltdancer...This is one of the most again hateful post that i have seen again from you! Tell us? what and when did you realize you where wrong for beating the $hit out of this kid ? And why would anybody on this Board not confront you for your Ignorance regarding something so Violent from your past..... Lighten up-I was a child and was most likely a follower-you know, don't ya?The posting was in support of educating the children about homosexuality, race diversity, and yes, even that dirty subject of sex. It will not help to hide children's head in the sand. Title: Re: ? WTF Post by: Billy on July 22, 2010, 11:07:23 AM asfltdncr, I have heard your confession of your past transgressions and your acknowledgement of those errors of your past. As the good Book tells us about he that is without sin cast the first stone. I for one am proud to forgive you and knowing that people of your caliber hold the same handbars that I do that's attached to the best motorcycle in the world.
Title: Re: ? WTF Post by: czuch on July 22, 2010, 11:26:57 AM I came here to read and converse about Valkyries.
Title: Re: ? WTF Post by: 3fan4life on July 22, 2010, 12:55:45 PM WOW this thread just may go on forever.
Seems that the topic plucks more than one nerve in alot of different people. And the number of different directions that it has taken is surprising. My take on the original post is that the person who posted it disagrees with the age that the schoolboard is trying to begin teaching Sex Education..... that would be 1st Graders who are on average 6-7 yrs old. I would heave to say that I also agree that is TOO YOUNG. Am I right ? ................. I think so. Am I wrong ? .................... apparently some think so. Am I going to lose sleep about it ? ............. No. What really upsets me is that Steamer thinks he could handle SIX wives. THAT's JUST WRONG!! :2funny: :2funny: :2funny: :2funny: Title: Re: ? WTF Post by: Stanley Steamer on July 22, 2010, 02:01:29 PM WOW this thread just may go on forever. Seems that the topic plucks more than one nerve in alot of different people. And the number of different directions that it has taken is surprising. My take on the original post is that the person who posted it disagrees with the age that the schoolboard is trying to begin teaching Sex Education..... that would be 1st Graders who are on average 6-7 yrs old. I would heave to say that I also agree that is TOO YOUNG. Am I right ? ................. I think so. Am I wrong ? .................... apparently some think so. Am I going to lose sleep about it ? ............. No. What really upsets me is that Steamer thinks he could handle SIX wives. THAT's JUST WRONG!! :2funny: :2funny: :2funny: :2funny: After careful consideration.....I have to modify that to 4 women.....as long as each of their "week"s don't fall at the same time........ :cooldude: :cooldude: :cooldude: :cooldude: :D :D :D :D :D :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: Title: Re: ? WTF Post by: Bobbo on July 23, 2010, 10:23:20 AM After careful consideration.....I have to modify that to 4 women.....as long as each of their "week"s don't fall at the same time........ :cooldude: :cooldude: :cooldude: :cooldude: :D :D :D :D :D :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: If that's your only concern, you could make due with only 2! Title: Re: ? WTF Post by: Stanley Steamer on July 23, 2010, 07:47:53 PM After careful consideration.....I have to modify that to 4 women.....as long as each of their "week"s don't fall at the same time........ :cooldude: :cooldude: :cooldude: :cooldude: :D :D :D :D :D :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: If that's your only concern, you could make due with only 2! I have a big appetite.....for the Ladies too.....2 just won't do!! Title: Re: ? WTF Post by: hotglue #43 on July 23, 2010, 07:57:49 PM Yeah ..... but...... more than 1 Mother-in-law?????? :uglystupid2:
Wow.. has this topic strayed...LOL....got new brakes for the bike today!!!!! need to install.... Title: Re: ? WTF Post by: Valkflyer on July 24, 2010, 01:54:05 AM After careful consideration.....I have to modify that to 4 women.....as long as each of their "week"s don't fall at the same time........ :cooldude: :cooldude: :cooldude: :cooldude: :D :D :D :D :D :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: If that's your only concern, you could make due with only 2! I have a big appetite.....for the Ladies too.....2 just won't do!! Ah....You just need to find the right lady.. here's some sugar for ya!! ;D (http://i927.photobucket.com/albums/ad114/Valkflyer/Misc/humor_phunny_photo_02.jpg) |