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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUB2darr5mUNot enough forward speed on an uphill tight curve. But the second bike is mind boggling. And then target fixation took them both over the edge. 
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« Reply #1 on: May 24, 2018, 02:42:10 AM » |
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WOW...No reason whatsoever especially for # 2 ... I didn't see a " hole "  I missed a gear on The Devil's Triangle on a switchback a couple weeks ago went from 2nd to N right in the turn in a heartbeat my bike just stopped so glad my ridin' bud Larry had his game on that could have turned ugly he was right behind me. He posted a video on FB  |
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« Reply #2 on: May 24, 2018, 03:45:02 AM » |
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Have seen that one before and still cant figure out WTH happened maybe #2 was looking back at #1?
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« Reply #3 on: May 24, 2018, 05:11:42 AM » |
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No matter how much black leather you buy, it doesn't make you a rider.
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« Reply #4 on: May 24, 2018, 06:02:48 AM » |
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WOW...No reason whatsoever especially for # 2 ... I didn't see a " hole " I missed a gear on The Devil's Triangle on a switchback a couple weeks ago went from 2nd to N right in the turn in a heartbeat my bike just stopped so glad my ridin' bud Larry had his game on that could have turned ugly he was right behind me. He posted a video on FB My new driveway is FIRST GEAR all the way. I think a down shift on it would lead to a stop and then a front brake and then a locked wheel sliding downhill. I'll try it sometime - NOT  |
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« Reply #5 on: May 24, 2018, 06:08:17 AM » |
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Long time ago I was lead of a small group on a back road in W VA or VA.
Following an SUV that was driving slowly through some tight uphill turns. Plenty of room between me and the SUV.
In a very tight switchback the driver came to a dead stop in the middle of the road.
If I had stopped my footing would have been f'ed up and I reckon I would have dropped the ST1300.
I was able to squeeze by and received a glowering look from the fat, spectacle wearing female in the driver seat.
The rest of the group just stayed behind her and I waited down the road until they appeared. The hag in the SUV had turned off somewhere. I can only guess she was fed up with bikes being on "her" road.
May be she
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« Reply #6 on: May 24, 2018, 07:30:31 AM » |
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" I hit that hole in the road"
Think it was more like the imaginary sign at the entrance to the corner that read "Free Harley Tee Shirt, take sharp right"
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« Reply #7 on: May 24, 2018, 08:05:22 AM » |
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The video doesn't show what happened to the first rider to leave the road (because he was behind the other rider, I'll call him rider 2). My guess it that they were riding in staggered formation and rider 2 was following too close, and as rider 1 either slowed or drifted tighter into the corner, rider 2 was left with nowhere to go except off the inside shoulder. Then rider 1 instantly got stupider and rode off the road while staring at rider 2.
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« Reply #8 on: May 24, 2018, 08:29:39 AM » |
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The 2nd rider down looked like a classic case of "bike follows eyes" to me. A healthy dose of throttle might have saved both of them but that's not an instinctive move, it's a learned one.
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« Reply #9 on: May 24, 2018, 08:57:29 AM » |
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The video doesn't show what happened to the first rider to leave the road (because he was behind the other rider, I'll call him rider 2). My guess it that they were riding in staggered formation and rider 2 was following too close, and as rider 1 either slowed or drifted tighter into the corner, rider 2 was left with nowhere to go except off the inside shoulder. Then rider 1 instantly got stupider and rode off the road while staring at rider 2.
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« Reply #10 on: May 24, 2018, 09:14:04 AM » |
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« Reply #11 on: May 24, 2018, 09:29:19 AM » |
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Those things are going to be a bitch to get upright and out - I'd guess a tow truck was required. Notice also that one of the cars that stopped was spinning tires to get moving so the traction of that curve itself is suspect. Looks like a turn you enter at the correct speed and don't try speeding up while in the turn.
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« Reply #12 on: May 24, 2018, 09:48:37 AM » |
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Looks like a patch of sand/gravel in their riding lane, about halfway through the turn and not visible until you're on top of it. The front wheel would be turned right slightly into the turn when it slips on the loose stuff, causing it to turn even more to the right, making you flip into the ditch. It's a tight right turn so you're already leaning into it, going slow so not tending to highside. Result, you go where the bike is pointing. The second guy, he's his own enemy this time, caused his own accident by not paying attention to the road.
Just my take on the accident in general, but one needs to keep in mind when entering a blind curve....sharp or not, you don't remain blind to the possibilities of what might lay ahead.
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« Reply #13 on: May 24, 2018, 11:34:02 AM » |
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and then the two bikes behind them wait until they're around a corner and out of sight to the far inside before parking the bikes. Guess they were jealous of all the attention and wanted to try and get hit from behind by another vehicle.
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« Reply #14 on: May 24, 2018, 12:31:36 PM » |
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Got to look close but the second bike to go over were riding two up.
Watched this a number of times. Absolutely no excuse for the second bike to go over. Not real sure why on the first one. I'm sure lack of skill would be one of the reasons.
Apparently when in doubt, stay off the front brake and drive down into the ravine.
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« Reply #15 on: May 24, 2018, 02:51:36 PM » |
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I'm too dumb to understand what the heck happened. |
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« Reply #16 on: May 24, 2018, 03:37:14 PM » |
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Got to look close but the second bike to go over were riding two up.
Watched this a number of times. Absolutely no excuse for the second bike to go over. Not real sure why on the first one. I'm sure lack of skill would be one of the reasons.
Apparently when in doubt, stay off the front brake and drive down into the ravine.
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« Reply #17 on: May 24, 2018, 04:04:18 PM » |
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I'm too dumb to understand what the heck happened. No, it's just that we don't see what happened in to the corner. Could be a number of things. But that second rider clearly wasn't looking at the road. |
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« Reply #18 on: May 24, 2018, 05:44:38 PM » |
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IMO, going to slow and hugging the right side way too closely.
when in doubt, stay in the middle of the road to have wiggle room either side of your road.
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