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« Reply #120 on: June 24, 2018, 11:02:37 AM »

I know its not totally germane to the original topic but I was thinking (I know).

For all of those folks out there who believe that we should have open borders or automatically allow anyone in to our country that says they fear for their lives, how does that compare to "gated communities".

Should I, if I am in fear for my life, be allowed into any gated community of my choice?  Are gated communities even acceptable in a society with open borders? 

Who lives in gated communities?  What are their political beliefs? 

So, if we are going to have open borders, I suggest the next thing to do is to outlaw "gated communities"  Its not fair to the rest of us.

I did a search and the number of gated communities in the US appears to be vague.  One place said there we're 20,000 such communities across the US.
I don’t know anybody who says we should have “open borders” or allow anybody into the country. Do you ?
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« Reply #121 on: June 24, 2018, 11:08:26 AM »

I don’t know anybody who says we should have “open borders” or allow anybody into the country. Do you ?


Deputy Chair of the Democratic National Committee Keith Ellison:



(Translation - I don't believe in borders)

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« Reply #122 on: June 24, 2018, 11:12:25 AM »

DNC Chairman Tom Perez declares "no human being is illegal"

https://panampost.com/david-unsworth/2017/05/02/tom-perez-wrong-no-human-being-illegal/?cn-reloaded=1
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« Reply #123 on: June 24, 2018, 11:14:08 AM »

Hillary Clinton:

"My dream is a hemispheric common market, with open trade and open borders, some time in the future with energy that is as green and sustainable as we can get it, powering growth and opportunity for every person in the Hemisphere"

Source - https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/oct/8/hillary-clinton-dreams-open-borders-leaked-speech-/
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« Reply #124 on: June 24, 2018, 11:42:35 AM »

You’re up Rob.... Evil
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« Reply #125 on: June 24, 2018, 12:26:38 PM »

You’re up Rob.... Evil
Grin I tapped out  Smiley
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« Reply #126 on: June 24, 2018, 12:38:56 PM »

I know its not totally germane to the original topic but I was thinking (I know).

For all of those folks out there who believe that we should have open borders or automatically allow anyone in to our country that says they fear for their lives, how does that compare to "gated communities".

Should I, if I am in fear for my life, be allowed into any gated community of my choice?  Are gated communities even acceptable in a society with open borders? 

Who lives in gated communities?  What are their political beliefs? 

So, if we are going to have open borders, I suggest the next thing to do is to outlaw "gated communities"  Its not fair to the rest of us.

I did a search and the number of gated communities in the US appears to be vague.  One place said there we're 20,000 such communities across the US.
I don’t know anybody who says we should have “open borders” or allow anybody into the country. Do you ?

Its all I hear from the open borders crowd.  If you get here, and you cross the border, you are in.  Thats what has been happening. 

The current process or until the last few months, was called "catch and release" for their trial date, which could be some years out.
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« Reply #127 on: June 24, 2018, 12:47:55 PM »

Hillary Clinton:

"My dream is a hemispheric common market, with open trade and open borders, some time in the future with energy that is as green and sustainable as we can get it, powering growth and opportunity for every person in the Hemisphere"

Source - https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/oct/8/hillary-clinton-dreams-open-borders-leaked-speech-/

My dream also contains Hillary, and lots of green grass.
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« Reply #128 on: June 24, 2018, 01:20:14 PM »

Hillary Clinton:

"My dream is a hemispheric common market, with open trade and open borders, some time in the future with energy that is as green and sustainable as we can get it, powering growth and opportunity for every person in the Hemisphere"

Source - https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/oct/8/hillary-clinton-dreams-open-borders-leaked-speech-/

My dream also contains Hillary, and lots of green grass.

Only if she's 6 ft under it.

Otherwise it's a nightmare.
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« Reply #129 on: June 24, 2018, 01:29:44 PM »

I simply cannot understand why anyone would advocate for completely open borders.

No country can protect or control its sovereignty if it cannot control its borders.

If our borders were completely secure this would be a non issue.

Could it be possible that building a wall is the most humane thing that we can do?
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« Reply #130 on: June 24, 2018, 03:16:10 PM »

I simply cannot understand why anyone would advocate for completely open borders.

No country can protect or control its sovereignty if it cannot control its borders.

If our borders were completely secure this would be a non issue.

Could it be possible that building a wall is the most humane thing that we can do?
A possible answer from a recently passed, wise sage;

The following Charles Krauthammer column was originally published on July 26, 2002, and is indicative of his style and thought. The Washington Post has reissued it in memorial. Krauthammer died Thursday, at age 68.


To understand the workings of American politics, you have to understand this fundamental law: Conservatives think liberals are stupid. Liberals think conservatives are evil.

For the first side of this equation, I need no sources. As a conservative, I can confidently attest that whatever else my colleagues might disagree about — Bosnia, John McCain, precisely how many orphans we’re prepared to throw into the snow so the rich can have their tax cuts — we all agree that liberals are stupid.









We mean this, of course, in the nicest way. Liberals tend to be nice, and they believe — here is where they go stupid — that most everybody else is nice too. Deep down, that is. Sure, you’ve got your multiple felon and your occasional war criminal, but they’re undoubtedly depraved ‘cause they’re deprived. If only we could get social conditions right — eliminate poverty, teach anger management, restore the ozone, arrest John Ashcroft — everyone would be holding hands smiley-faced, rocking back and forth to “We Shall Overcome.”

Liberals believe that human nature is fundamentally good. The fact that this is contradicted by, oh, 4,000 years of human history simply tells them how urgent is the need for their next seven-point program for the social reform of everything.

Liberals suffer incurably from naivete, the stupidity of the good heart. Who else but that oracle of American liberalism, The New York Times, could run the puzzled headline: “Crime Keeps On Falling, but Prisons Keep On Filling.” But? How about this wild theory: If you lock up the criminals, crime declines.

Accordingly, the conservative attitude toward liberals is one of compassionate condescension. Liberals are not quite as reciprocally charitable. It is natural. They think conservatives are mean. How can conservatives believe in the things they do — self-reliance, self-discipline, competition, military power — without being soulless? How to understand the conservative desire to actually abolish welfare, if it is not to punish the poor? The argument that it would increase self-reliance and thus ultimately reduce poverty is dismissed as meanness rationalized. — or as Rep. Major Owens, D-N.Y., put it more colorfully in a recent House debate on welfare reform, “a cold-blooded grab for another pound of flesh from the demonized welfare mothers.”

Liberals, who have no head (see above), believe that conservatives have no heart. When Republicans unexpectedly took control of the House of Representatives in 1994, conventional wisdom immediately attributed this disturbance in the balance of the cosmos to the vote of the “angry white male” (an invention unsupported by the three polls that actually asked about anger and found three-quarters of white males not angry.)













The “angry white male” was thus a legend, but a necessary one. It was unimaginable that conservatives could be given power by any sentiment less base than anger, the selfish fury of the former top dog — the white male — forced to accommodate the aspirations of women, minorities and sundry upstarts.

The legend lives.

What else could one assume? Pleasant and conservative? Ah, yes, Grampa told of seeing one such in the Everglades. But that was 1926.

RIP Mr. Krauthammer, I've missed your lack of columns over the last few months, and it pains me deeply that the situation is now permanent. I shall re-read your books, and smile.
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« Reply #131 on: June 25, 2018, 08:35:03 AM »

She's got the answer

 Cheesy

https://www.facebook.com/ABCNews/videos/10155559333121524/
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« Reply #132 on: June 25, 2018, 09:11:32 AM »


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« Reply #133 on: June 25, 2018, 10:46:31 AM »


What a stupid twit !!!!!!!!!!!!

And she's running for Governor of New York.

Oss, G-Man I sure hope for your sakes that she doesn't win.


What kind of idiot really believes that we don't need Immigration and Customs enforcement ?

And the people in the audience actually applauded when she called for the abolishment of ICE.  uglystupid2

I guess if you keep calling them "Undocumented Immigrants" long enough people really do forget that they are ILLEGAL.

If you don't like a law you fight to change the law, you don't just pretend that the law doesn't exist.

Especially, if you are or plan to be a government official.


 
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« Reply #134 on: June 25, 2018, 10:56:53 AM »

Right after they abolish the EPA.
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« Reply #135 on: June 25, 2018, 11:05:40 AM »

Right after they abolish the EPA.

Amen!

I'd be happy if the EPA just had someone over them that they had to answer to.
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« Reply #136 on: June 25, 2018, 12:36:24 PM »

What a fuitcake.she is a freakin Idiot 2funny 2funny
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« Reply #137 on: June 25, 2018, 05:45:39 PM »

IF this fruitcake-what an INSULT to fruitcakes-do in fact get elected All Y'all in N Y can bend over stick yer head twixt yer legs and kiss yer ass goodbye. Wouldn't want her on a town board mucho less with anything to do with running Any State Period-exclamation point. Man oh man-the ds must wuv her!  Roll Eyes RIDE SAFE.
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« Reply #138 on: June 28, 2018, 01:08:17 AM »

http://www.newsweek.com/toronto-mayor-warns-city-cannot-handle-any-more-asylum-seekers-claims-rise-997194
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« Reply #139 on: June 28, 2018, 02:07:27 AM »

I simply cannot understand why anyone would advocate for completely open borders.

No country can protect or control its sovereignty if it cannot control its borders.

If our borders were completely secure this would be a non issue.

Could it be possible that building a wall is the most humane thing that we can do?
A possible answer from a recently passed, wise sage;

The following Charles Krauthammer column was originally published on July 26, 2002, and is indicative of his style and thought. The Washington Post has reissued it in memorial. Krauthammer died Thursday, at age 68.


To understand the workings of American politics, you have to understand this fundamental law: Conservatives think liberals are stupid. Liberals think conservatives are evil.

For the first side of this equation, I need no sources. As a conservative, I can confidently attest that whatever else my colleagues might disagree about — Bosnia, John McCain, precisely how many orphans we’re prepared to throw into the snow so the rich can have their tax cuts — we all agree that liberals are stupid.









We mean this, of course, in the nicest way. Liberals tend to be nice, and they believe — here is where they go stupid — that most everybody else is nice too. Deep down, that is. Sure, you’ve got your multiple felon and your occasional war criminal, but they’re undoubtedly depraved ‘cause they’re deprived. If only we could get social conditions right — eliminate poverty, teach anger management, restore the ozone, arrest John Ashcroft — everyone would be holding hands smiley-faced, rocking back and forth to “We Shall Overcome.”

Liberals believe that human nature is fundamentally good. The fact that this is contradicted by, oh, 4,000 years of human history simply tells them how urgent is the need for their next seven-point program for the social reform of everything.

Liberals suffer incurably from naivete, the stupidity of the good heart. Who else but that oracle of American liberalism, The New York Times, could run the puzzled headline: “Crime Keeps On Falling, but Prisons Keep On Filling.” But? How about this wild theory: If you lock up the criminals, crime declines.

Accordingly, the conservative attitude toward liberals is one of compassionate condescension. Liberals are not quite as reciprocally charitable. It is natural. They think conservatives are mean. How can conservatives believe in the things they do — self-reliance, self-discipline, competition, military power — without being soulless? How to understand the conservative desire to actually abolish welfare, if it is not to punish the poor? The argument that it would increase self-reliance and thus ultimately reduce poverty is dismissed as meanness rationalized. — or as Rep. Major Owens, D-N.Y., put it more colorfully in a recent House debate on welfare reform, “a cold-blooded grab for another pound of flesh from the demonized welfare mothers.”

Liberals, who have no head (see above), believe that conservatives have no heart. When Republicans unexpectedly took control of the House of Representatives in 1994, conventional wisdom immediately attributed this disturbance in the balance of the cosmos to the vote of the “angry white male” (an invention unsupported by the three polls that actually asked about anger and found three-quarters of white males not angry.)













The “angry white male” was thus a legend, but a necessary one. It was unimaginable that conservatives could be given power by any sentiment less base than anger, the selfish fury of the former top dog — the white male — forced to accommodate the aspirations of women, minorities and sundry upstarts.

The legend lives.

What else could one assume? Pleasant and conservative? Ah, yes, Grampa told of seeing one such in the Everglades. But that was 1926.

RIP Mr. Krauthammer, I've missed your lack of columns over the last few months, and it pains me deeply that the situation is now permanent. I shall re-read your books, and smile.


That is easily the best explanation of modern (and perhaps historical) politics I have ever read. And of course it's truth is proven by Britman's video of New York's new Moonbeam.
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« Reply #140 on: June 28, 2018, 11:21:36 AM »

Able to suddenly take a day off work to go march?

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/ice-barricades-dc-headquarters-to-block-protesters
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« Reply #141 on: June 28, 2018, 03:23:24 PM »

               But We-U S of A should take everyone and anyone that wants to come here-U S of A. So financially speaking how THIN are we-U S of A-stretched for all these undoc-oh hell-illegal aliens? As I stated in another post undocumented sounds like they lost or misplaced their frikkin passport.  uglystupid2 RIDE SAFE.
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« Reply #142 on: June 28, 2018, 05:38:06 PM »

Are people drinking or eating something to make them this unhinged.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/06/28/dem-congresswoman-among-anti-trump-protesters-arrested-inside-capitol-office-building.html

The protesters were calling for the abolishment of the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency, and were heard chanting “abolish ICE." Most of the protesters were female.
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« Reply #143 on: June 28, 2018, 05:44:58 PM »

Are people drinking or eating something to make them this unhinged.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/06/28/dem-congresswoman-among-anti-trump-protesters-arrested-inside-capitol-office-building.html

The protesters were calling for the abolishment of the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency, and were heard chanting “abolish ICE." Most of the protesters were female.


They should be jailed without their children.   
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« Reply #144 on: June 28, 2018, 05:58:15 PM »

I think ICE should be CRUSHED with Tequila, Triple Sec, and lime.
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« Reply #145 on: June 28, 2018, 07:32:02 PM »

Idiots the lot of them...... they have no idea ( or dont care) that this is not new....it is just being pushed to the forefront to gain hate for the current POTUS.
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« Reply #146 on: July 01, 2018, 12:08:18 PM »

Are people drinking or eating something to make them this unhinged.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/06/28/dem-congresswoman-among-anti-trump-protesters-arrested-inside-capitol-office-building.html

The protesters were calling for the abolishment of the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency, and were heard chanting “abolish ICE." Most of the protesters were female.


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« Reply #147 on: July 01, 2018, 01:56:24 PM »

Idiots the lot of them...... they have no idea ( or dont care) that this is not new....it is just being pushed to the forefront to gain hate for the current POTUS.

Don't worry. He doesn't need anything to push it.
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