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« Reply #40 on: September 25, 2018, 02:08:23 PM »

... FBI for a background check. Generally speaking they go back to the age of 18. ...
Hmmm.  Don't you think there might be a reason for that?   Smiley
Yes, I do.  Wink

Perhaps that was too subtle.  Apparently the government considers what happened when one was 17 irrelevant.    Smiley
Maybe  Wink
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« Reply #41 on: September 25, 2018, 02:10:39 PM »

I try to look at this from what I would consider a reasonable standard.
Judge Kavenaugh has decades of his decisions and conduct on the record. Decades worth. Any reasonable person would look at that and determine that this is a man of the highest Character and Caliber. In all the investigations into his past, including those prior to his nomination to the Supreme Court, his Character is impeccable and has been lauded by Republicans, Democrats, (until Trump nominated him)  and his peers as well as those his senior, in the Judiciary. Not a single person who has worked with him or has come to know him has ever spoken ill of him in any way.

Contrast this to a woman, clearly and knowingly partisan, who accuses him of some kind of sexual assault from over 30 years ago. The witnesses she offers deny her accusations or have no memory of such an event where this is to have happened. Kavenaugh's opponents rally behind the story yet has anyone considered her character? She was 15. Went to an unsupervised party and got drunk. What was her objective? Did she go to the party to play Monopoly? Cards? Bake cookies? Did she go intending to hook up and score?

What is her Character? It is relevant.

Women want equal rights? Let's treat her like Judge Kavenaugh has been treated.

Confirm him now.
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« Reply #42 on: September 25, 2018, 02:39:11 PM »

I try to look at this from what I would consider a reasonable standard.
Judge Kavenaugh has decades of his decisions and conduct on the record. Decades worth. Any reasonable person would look at that and determine that this is a man of the highest Character and Caliber. In all the investigations into his past, including those prior to his nomination to the Supreme Court, his Character is impeccable and has been lauded by Republicans, Democrats, (until Trump nominated him)  and his peers as well as those his senior, in the Judiciary. Not a single person who has worked with him or has come to know him has ever spoken ill of him in any way.

Contrast this to a woman, clearly and knowingly partisan, who accuses him of some kind of sexual assault from over 30 years ago. The witnesses she offers deny her accusations or have no memory of such an event where this is to have happened. Kavenaugh's opponents rally behind the story yet has anyone considered her character? She was 15. Went to an unsupervised party and got drunk. What was her objective? Did she go to the party to play Monopoly? Cards? Bake cookies? Did she go intending to hook up and score?

What is her Character? It is relevant.

Women want equal rights? Let's treat her like Judge Kavenaugh has been treated.

Confirm him now.
Why is it that she is held to a higher standard of under age drinking by you than he is ?

He has impeccable character ? Would you consider lying under oath part of this impeccable character ?

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2018/09/five-times-brett-kavanaugh-appears-to-have-lied-to-congress-while-under-oath/
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« Reply #43 on: September 25, 2018, 03:09:41 PM »

Ford has a support staff of lawyers, managers, supporters to bring your accusations to light. I wonder why you would need all these people?



A Yale University classmate of Judge Brett Kavanaugh is refusing to talk to the Senate Judiciary Committee about her charges of sexual misconduct against him, a panel member said Tuesday.

Sen. John Kennedy, Louisiana Republican and a panel member, told a gaggle of reporters that a lawyer for Deborah Ramirez told him that she already has told her story to the press.

“Our counsel repeatedly tried to reach him,” Mr. Kennedy said. “They finally did reach him, and he said we are not issuing a statement. He said if you want our statement, read the New Yorker.”


Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell slammed Senate Democrats on Monday for running a “choreographed smear campaign” against Supreme Court nominee Judge Brett Kavanaugh.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=13&v=_Iq5vCV5aGY
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« Reply #44 on: September 25, 2018, 03:15:00 PM »

I try to look at this from what I would consider a reasonable standard.
Judge Kavenaugh has decades of his decisions and conduct on the record. Decades worth. Any reasonable person would look at that and determine that this is a man of the highest Character and Caliber. In all the investigations into his past, including those prior to his nomination to the Supreme Court, his Character is impeccable and has been lauded by Republicans, Democrats, (until Trump nominated him)  and his peers as well as those his senior, in the Judiciary. Not a single person who has worked with him or has come to know him has ever spoken ill of him in any way.

Contrast this to a woman, clearly and knowingly partisan, who accuses him of some kind of sexual assault from over 30 years ago. The witnesses she offers deny her accusations or have no memory of such an event where this is to have happened. Kavenaugh's opponents rally behind the story yet has anyone considered her character? She was 15. Went to an unsupervised party and got drunk. What was her objective? Did she go to the party to play Monopoly? Cards? Bake cookies? Did she go intending to hook up and score?

What is her Character? It is relevant.

Women want equal rights? Let's treat her like Judge Kavenaugh has been treated.

Confirm him now.
Why is it that she is held to a higher standard of under age drinking by you than he is ?

He has impeccable character ? Would you consider lying under oath part of this impeccable character ?

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2018/09/five-times-brett-kavanaugh-appears-to-have-lied-to-congress-while-under-oath/

Being under age for drinking isn't the point.
The decision to get drunk is the point.
There is nothing in the way of empirical evidence that Kavanaugh was actually at the party much less drinking. Just a politically motivated accusation.

As to lying under oath, can you list the criminal perjury charges that he was indicted on?

Didn't think so.
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Jess from VA
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« Reply #45 on: September 25, 2018, 03:19:51 PM »

You guys throw around security clearances a bit too easily.  There is a big difference between a secret and a top secret.

When I went on active duty at 31 (as old as you could be without some special circumstances), I got a Secret, and I know for a fact they only did an agency check, then put me in line for something more thorough sometime in the future, and that ended up being some 6 years later.  I was meticulous in completing my secret clearance forms, and it took quite a bit of research and phone calls to get all the accurate details. (I wish I'd saved that because a good deal of what was on there is now beyond knowing and discovery).  My one and only misdemeanor for minor in possession of beer was detailed in particular, and I was 17.  They asked questions about your life earlier than 18.

Now you go for a Top Secret (or civilian Q), they go at it with a vengeance.  They sent US consulate people out to Eskihisar Turkey to collect and interview my wife's Jr Hi and HS records and teachers. Many neighbors, friends, coworkers and a few relatives (including me) were interviewed.  It may have been because she was a naturalized citizen, but not too many rocks were left unturned for her Q.  And a few years ago, they redid it for the third time.

Now it's been a while so maybe some things have changed, but I bet not that much.

I've been interviewed for several top secrets (mostly fellow military who asked before listing me as a reference).  A three tour in Iraq/Afghanistan Army Intel officer, and a career senior chief Quartermaster aboard the Blue and Gold teams on boomers.  He's spent the last 15 years after retirement doing TS background investigations for the G.

My one misdemeanor has no official record anywhere (having been destroyed, not as a minor, just old paper records from upstairs in the Trenton MI fire-hall thrown in a fire.  However, I had to discuss it in detail, to get into law school, to be take the MI bar exam, to enter the USAF, to enter the civil service.  I can still remember the $58 fine (and the former-marine hangin' judge telling me I better never be in front of him again (and I believed him).  

Yes I was detained (not arrested) for beer.  It was extremely fortunate that besides the two freshly opened ones on the floor of my car, the other 10 in the 12-pack were still cold, so I was not drunk.  If it had not been for my best friend (and co defendant) being a jerk and giving the cops a hard time (I came real close to punching him right in front of the cops), they would have let us go with a warning, taken our beer, and drove to the deserted North end of our island and drank it themselves. And I would have been deprived of my one official criminal conviction to spice up my paperwork.

So goes the compete randomness of life.   Smiley



 

 
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« Reply #46 on: September 25, 2018, 03:20:27 PM »

I try to look at this from what I would consider a reasonable standard.
Judge Kavenaugh has decades of his decisions and conduct on the record. Decades worth. Any reasonable person would look at that and determine that this is a man of the highest Character and Caliber. In all the investigations into his past, including those prior to his nomination to the Supreme Court, his Character is impeccable and has been lauded by Republicans, Democrats, (until Trump nominated him)  and his peers as well as those his senior, in the Judiciary. Not a single person who has worked with him or has come to know him has ever spoken ill of him in any way.

Contrast this to a woman, clearly and knowingly partisan, who accuses him of some kind of sexual assault from over 30 years ago. The witnesses she offers deny her accusations or have no memory of such an event where this is to have happened. Kavenaugh's opponents rally behind the story yet has anyone considered her character? She was 15. Went to an unsupervised party and got drunk. What was her objective? Did she go to the party to play Monopoly? Cards? Bake cookies? Did she go intending to hook up and score?

What is her Character? It is relevant.

Women want equal rights? Let's treat her like Judge Kavenaugh has been treated.

Confirm him now.
Why is it that she is held to a higher standard of under age drinking by you than he is ?

He has impeccable character ? Would you consider lying under oath part of this impeccable character ?

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2018/09/five-times-brett-kavanaugh-appears-to-have-lied-to-congress-while-under-oath/

Being under age for drinking isn't the point.
The decision to get drunk is the point.
There is nothing in the way of empirical evidence that Kavanaugh was actually at the party much less drinking. Just a politically motivated accusation.

As to lying under oath, can you list the criminal perjury charges that he was indicted on?

Didn't think so.
Your willingness to overlook his being part of "The 100 Keg Club" while chastising her for underage drinking is telling. Your willingness to overlook his untruthfulness while under oath is even more telling.  coolsmiley
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« Reply #47 on: September 25, 2018, 03:22:00 PM »

I try to look at this from what I would consider a reasonable standard.
Judge Kavenaugh has decades of his decisions and conduct on the record. Decades worth. Any reasonable person would look at that and determine that this is a man of the highest Character and Caliber. In all the investigations into his past, including those prior to his nomination to the Supreme Court, his Character is impeccable and has been lauded by Republicans, Democrats, (until Trump nominated him)  and his peers as well as those his senior, in the Judiciary. Not a single person who has worked with him or has come to know him has ever spoken ill of him in any way.

Contrast this to a woman, clearly and knowingly partisan, who accuses him of some kind of sexual assault from over 30 years ago. The witnesses she offers deny her accusations or have no memory of such an event where this is to have happened. Kavenaugh's opponents rally behind the story yet has anyone considered her character? She was 15. Went to an unsupervised party and got drunk. What was her objective? Did she go to the party to play Monopoly? Cards? Bake cookies? Did she go intending to hook up and score?

What is her Character? It is relevant.

Women want equal rights? Let's treat her like Judge Kavenaugh has been treated.

Confirm him now.
Why is it that she is held to a higher standard of under age drinking by you than he is ?

He has impeccable character ? Would you consider lying under oath part of this impeccable character ?

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2018/09/five-times-brett-kavanaugh-appears-to-have-lied-to-congress-while-under-oath/


There is nothing in the way of empirical evidence that Kavanaugh was actually at the party much less drinking.

 

That's right! It wasn't on his calendar! There's no way he was there.......
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« Reply #48 on: September 25, 2018, 03:29:41 PM »

Hillary's emails being dismissed by you is telling also.
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« Reply #49 on: September 25, 2018, 03:32:20 PM »

Hillary's emails being dismissed by you is telling also.
Shocked how quickly you forget what I said about them.  coolsmiley
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« Reply #50 on: September 25, 2018, 10:32:45 PM »

Back to Rosenstien:
If I have followed this correctly, it started with a story in the
"New York Times. (It Looks like a Newspaper.... but it's Not.")....Liars.
It involves a meeting and 'notes' from McCabe....Liar.
It's is about the words and actions of Rosenstien.... Liar.

.......and it's all filtered through the various Media sources, many of whom are....Liars.

Kind of hard for a plain ol' Redneck like me, all the way down South, to tell what is really going on.

I'll trust President Trump to do the right thing.
He's done pretty good so far.

Not much I can do about it all anyway, except watch.
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