Rotella on sale

[Grimmpatrick]

Thought I'd drop a quick line to let you all know that Shell Rotella is on sale at Aotozone. Picked up a gallon of 15-40 T4 for about $15.

[DGS65]

I recently paid $10 at Costco it is sold by the case three for $29.95 I bought 5 cases that is what it takes to change the oil on my boat 7 per main and 1 for the generator. 

[gordonv]

I use the T6 for my MC and autos, full syn. Is that on sale too? (Thank you)

Will see if their website shows the sale, and how much.

I'm finding T1/T4 & T5 for $15.99 till Mar 4th.
T6 2.5gal is on sale at $55.

But Walmart is still cheaper. T4 is $13. T6 is now $22.50, 2.5x = $56.25

[Hook#3287]

Still boycotting Autozone.

"Get in the Zone, the Killing Zone"

[Grimmpatrick]

I use the T6 for my MC and autos, full syn. Is that on sale too? (Thank you)

Will see if their website shows the sale, and how much.

I'm finding T1/T4 & T5 for $15.99 till Mar 4th.
T6 2.5gal is on sale at $55.

But Walmart is still cheaper. T4 is $13. T6 is now $22.50, 2.5x = $56.25

My Wally World didn't have any. Also, what they did have was either 1 quart or 1.25 gallons.

[SpidyJ]

Still boycotting Autozone.

"Get in the Zone, the Killing Zone"

Yeah, Auto Zone can kiss my rusty Ol' +_* !!
Won't refund for a defective part?  See ya...no more.....

[98valk]

suggest all be careful using diesel oil with the new CK-4 rating.  this rating lowers phos and zinc levels lover than what was originally spec'd for a GL1500 engine.   An used oil analysis should be done to see if it is protecting the engine. According to the spec the high levels of boron they are using is suppose to take the place of the P & Z.  oil testing is the only way to know for sure if the engine is being protected.
http://pqiadata.org/Shell_Rotella_T4_15W40_752018.html

Ford and a few others are keeping the P & Z high.
http://pqiadata.org/Motorcraft_15W40.html

It’s important to note that Ford Motorcraft did not make the move to API CK-4 due to concerns about wear issues related to the lower phosphorus levels specified in CK-4. In a position statement, Ford said, “Ford will not be recommending the use of CK-4 motor oils in any Ford diesel engines, new or old. Ford testing has shown some CK-4 type formulations have shown inadequate wear protection compared to CJ-4 formulations developed and licensed before 2016. Ford now recommends using oils that meet our OEM specification, Ford Material Engineering Specification WSS-M2C171-F1.”

https://www.fcsdchemicalsandlubricants.com/main/additionalinfo/Ford%20Motor%20Company%20CK-4%20FA-4%20Position%20Statement.pdf

one thing our engines have going for them is the low camshaft spring pressures due to it being an overhead cam engine. Camshaft to rocker interface is a high wear location with higher spring pressures.
used oil analysis is the only way to know for sure how these new oils are protecting.

[gordonv]

98valk, I've seen your warnings before, also you point out the T4. The OP post was specifically about T4 being on sale.

My post included the T6, full synthetic diesel oil. You mention the new CK-4 rating of which the Rotella T4, I take, has that rating, and caution the use of that oil any longer in our Valkyries.

Without digging deeper, is the T6 at risk of the CK-4 rating?

Grimmpatrick
I looked online for the Wally World. I usually find the T6 and some other products leave mid summer, but come back in the spring. If I knew when I was going there (if I lived locally) I would order online for store delivery, and pick it up. I would always find a 1gal of T6. I've always found 1quarts in the shelf year round, but they cost more than equal amount in a 1gal container.

[Jess from VA]

98valk, I've seen your warnings before, also you point out the T4. The OP post was specifically about T4 being on sale.

My post included the T6, full synthetic diesel oil. You mention the new CK-4 rating of which the Rotella T4, I take, has that rating, and caution the use of that oil any longer in our Valkyries.

Without digging deeper, is the T6 at risk of the CK-4 rating?

Grimmpatrick
I looked online for the Wally World. I usually find the T6 and some other products leave mid summer, but come back in the spring. If I knew when I was going there (if I lived locally) I would order online for store delivery, and pick it up. I would always find a 1gal of T6. I've always found 1quarts in the shelf year round, but they cost more than equal amount in a 1gal container.

I think most of us (who use Rotella) use the T6 , and I'm also interested in the answer to this question.

I've been using the T6 for years and have a number of unopened gallons in my shed.

[98valk]

yes it changed also. JASO changed their spec also for catalytic equipped motorcycles. so all motorcycle oils changed. Suppose to be backwards compatible. I don't know how low the phos and zinc are per JASO for motorcycles compared to diesel oil levels.  when my stash runs out I will either use what is avail and do UOA or go back to high cost Amsoil 10w30/30 Diesel oil which I've used before with excellent UOA after 10k miles and 2yrs.

this is from a 2016 post I found. don't you just live the EPA?

New JASO oil standards (MA1, MA2):

JASO effectively added the JASO-MA2 & JASO-MA1 specifications by splitting the existing JASO-MA spec into two groups by friction-performance (MA1 is the lower friction oils; MA2 the higher friction oils suitable for bikes).
The change came out as final/approved in 2006 in response to catalytic converters becoming widespread in bikes (EPA/EU requirements); it was also prompted in part by the car-lobby of the JASO organization wanting to specify a subset of the JASO-MA oils for use in their cars (the low friction oils, which become JASO-MA1). JASO-MA2 is just starting to show up in the US Market as a rating because this is the first year that catalytic converter-equipped bikes are widespread.

[98valk]

here is a good write up I saved.

https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/4866716/jaso-revises-standard-effective-2016

[ValkStrom]

That's why I run Mobil 1 4T, I don't have to worry/wonder about whether my engine is being protected properly or not. 

[cookiedough]

for ones like me living more up north and only able to put on 3-4000 miles in one season due to either too many cycles to ride or lack of time or poor weather,  I suspect the new rotella T6 would be adequate and not break down much in 3-4000 miles if adequate protection to begin with.  Having 4 or more cycles to change oil on every year cannot see the need nor more expense to spend 11 bucks per quart vs. 4 bucks per quart (give or take) for rotella T6. 

that said,  farm and fleet locally has rotella T6 on sale for 20 bucks and rotella t6 has a 7 dollar per mail in rebate going on for up to 2 gallon jugs so 14 bucks back from 1-1 to June 2019.  Where you buy it, ask for the 7 dollar per gallon jug mail in rebate.  ONLY good for 2 gallons per address/name, but if you know a relative or close neighbor, you can buy say 2 then go back and get another 2 and mail the other rebate in at the other address.  Hard to beat 13-14 bucks per gallon.

[98valk]

That's why I run Mobil 1 4T, I don't have to worry/wonder about whether my engine is being protected properly or not. 

if u read the link, JASO changed their motorcycle oil specs which would include the Mobil m/c oils to have lower levels of phos and zinc for cat equipped motorcycles.
One or two oil analysis kits would let us valkyrie owners know if indeed the new oils are protecting our engines.
just saying.

[F6Dave]

Here's a post I made a few months back:

After reading an oil discussion on the F6B board I downloaded a spec chart from Mobil 1.  I'd download the chart back in 2016 and saved the PDF, so I decided to compare the phosphorus/zinc levels to see what, if anything, had changed.  Here are the numbers for 3 oils commonly used in motorcycles:

Mobil 1™ V Twin 20W-50:
  1600 PPM phosphorus/1750 PPM zinc (FEB/2016) - 1600 PPM phosphorus/1750 PPM zinc (OCT/2018)
Mobil 1 15W-50 automotive:
  1200 PPM phosphorus/1300 PPM zinc (FEB/2016) - 1200 PPM phosphorus/1300 PPM zinc (OCT/2018)
Mobil 1 Racing™ 4T (10W-40 MC):
  1200 PPM phosphorus/1300 PPM zinc (FEB/2016) - 1000 PPM phosphorus/1200 PPM zinc (OCT/2018)

Apparently the 10W-40 MC oil had the ZDDP content reduced to comply with the new JASO standard.

I've been using Mobil 1 15W-50 auto oil for over 300,000 combined miles in my Valkyries and F6Bs.  That viscosity is a bit on the high side, so I'd been thinking of switching to the 10W-40 MC oil.  After seeing the new specs I will probably stay with the 15W-50.

[98valk]

Here's a post I made a few months back:

After reading an oil discussion on the F6B board I downloaded a spec chart from Mobil 1.  I'd download the chart back in 2016 and saved the PDF, so I decided to compare the phosphorus/zinc levels to see what, if anything, had changed.  Here are the numbers for 3 oils commonly used in motorcycles:

Mobil 1™ V Twin 20W-50:
  1600 PPM phosphorus/1750 PPM zinc (FEB/2016) - 1600 PPM phosphorus/1750 PPM zinc (OCT/2018)
Mobil 1 15W-50 automotive:
  1200 PPM phosphorus/1300 PPM zinc (FEB/2016) - 1200 PPM phosphorus/1300 PPM zinc (OCT/2018)
Mobil 1 Racing™ 4T (10W-40 MC):
  1200 PPM phosphorus/1300 PPM zinc (FEB/2016) - 1000 PPM phosphorus/1200 PPM zinc (OCT/2018)

Apparently the 10W-40 MC oil had the ZDDP content reduced to comply with the new JASO standard.

I've been using Mobil 1 15W-50 auto oil for over 300,000 combined miles in my Valkyries and F6Bs.  That viscosity is a bit on the high side, so I'd been thinking of switching to the 10W-40 MC oil.  After seeing the new specs I will probably stay with the 15W-50.

 

[ValkStrom]

That's why I run Mobil 1 4T, I don't have to worry/wonder about whether my engine is being protected properly or not. 

if u read the link, JASO changed their motorcycle oil specs which would include the Mobil m/c oils to have lower levels of phos and zinc for cat equipped motorcycles.
One or two oil analysis kits would let us valkyrie owners know if indeed the new oils are protecting our engines.
just saying.

Come on man.....of course our engines are being protected just fine "in theory" with whatever the hell oil we decide to use within the proper weights. There is so much OCD tendencies and paranoia in this group sometimes it just blows my mind. We have old school machines with little to no modern technology in them, and these engines are like car engines anyways. There is a guy on the Stromtrooper forum who has over 425,000 miles on his 02 Suzuki V-Strom 1000, ALL he has EVER run is Mobil 1 car oil and FRAM oil filters. Not a thing wrong with getting an oil analysis done, but IMHO it just causes more anxiety and worry than warranted or needed. I've run the Rotella oils in every bike I have owned at some point in time, there is nothing about that oil even today which will cause any issues. But I run Mobil 1 4T in both my bikes, simply due to how well they both shift and for how long. I change oil between 4,000/5,000 miles, shifting quality is still good clear up to the change. We all have to do whatever helps us sleep well at night, but I won't be losing a minutes sleep due to whatever oil I'm using. Several fellas on the Stromtrooper forum get regular oil analysis done, both Rotella oil and Mobil 1 4T yields excellent results.

[h13man]

I recently (last fall) used the new formula T6 and it made the tranny and shifting louder thus after 200 mi. I changed to Valvoline 4T dino for now. It actually took a while for the new formula to hit the shelves as a lot old stock was still out there and I wished I had stocked up but I wasn't aware of the change until too late. Whether or not the changes in the T6 are that severe to our engines, my Valk isn't going to be a "lab rat" to find out.

[gordonv]

Tried looking on Shell's site for the T6 and find out what codes are on the packaging. Found this.

https://rotella.shell.com/en_us/products/full-synthetic-and-blend-oil.html

Rotella T6 full syn diesel, and Rotella T6 Multi-vehicle full syn diesel

But did not find the codes on the packaging.

[98valk]

Tried looking on Shell's site for the T6 and find out what codes are on the packaging. Found this.

https://rotella.shell.com/en_us/products/full-synthetic-and-blend-oil.html

Rotella T6 full syn diesel, and Rotella T6 Multi-vehicle full syn diesel

But did not find the codes on the packaging.

CK-4
https://rotella.shell.com/en_us/products/full-synthetic-and-blend-oil/t6-full-synthetic/_jcr_content/par/productDetails.stream/1506811860834/b1efec99b9e83f216e38df79c5353f4c43d17a2677da8dd08400c13d51318343/t6-5w-40.pdf

[rug_burn]

I been using Mobil 1  15-50 for all my motorcycles.  The biggest problem I got is that after about 15,000 miles on an oil change, the oil still looks good: good body, not broken down at all, although it is  a little dark.    It seems a shame to dump it, but I do anyway.    (that's the kind of guy I am...)
 I adjust the valves at every 15,000 miles, too, and they're usually still in tolerance.

  5 quart containers at Wal Mart, about $25, filters about $6.   Why make it difficult? 

[Jess from VA]

You know, my long serving local gas station, where I go for inspections and the occasional minor thing or tire repair installed one of those really nice heaters in their big 3-bay garage, that runs purely on used oil.  As long as it's not full of dirt or leaves. I donate all my used bike oil to them.

[98valk]

I been using Mobil 1  15-50 for all my motorcycles.  The biggest problem I got is that after about 15,000 miles on an oil change, the oil still looks good: good body, not broken down at all, although it is  a little dark.    It seems a shame to dump it, but I do anyway.    (that's the kind of guy I am...)
 I adjust the valves at every 15,000 miles, too, and they're usually still in tolerance.

  5 quart containers at Wal Mart, about $25, filters about $6.   Why make it difficult? 

 

[mello dude]

     Why make it difficult?  

Exactly . ... (oh another oil thread) -- I have been using the same synth oil for at least a decade. Im not saying what, but its fine. Never has any bike owned - sport and cruiser died because of oil.  (Throw in the curmudgeon mechanic joke - what's the best oil? Answer - clean)

Lots of times in forums someone writes - oh, your wasting money because xxxxxx, or what ever. I look at it, bikes still run awesome.  Also so what? I spend way far more money on beer than I do on oil.

Back to your regularly scheduled program.  

[F6Dave]

You may think you won't have any problems if you run the same oil you used for years.  The problem is, your favorite oil may no longer be the same!  Thanks to the EPA, the formulas have changed for many of the oils we use.

From what I've read, I don't think the liquid cooled OHC Valkyrie engine will be damaged by the new oil formulas.  But if I had an air cooled pushrod V-Twin, I would be concerned and choose my oil carefully.  In fact, the new formulas could cause problems in any pushrod engine with flat tappets.  The web is full of information about camshaft failures caused by new oils with low levels of ZDDP.

When Ford tells owners of all their diesel trucks not to use oil with the latest API spec, you know this is more than an urban legend.

[cookiedough]

When Ford tells owners of all their diesel trucks not to use oil with the latest API spec, you know this is more than an urban legend.

that is because all FORD engines require top shelf oil to keep them running since FORD stands for Found On Road Dead

oh boy, now I have gone and done it opening up a whole new can of worms....

I for one will keep using rotella T6 until I hear odd noises or bad shifting, etc. out of my cycle engines.