This Is Infuriating!!!!!

[X Ring]

Heard on the news yesterday that three US Navy SEALS were being court martialed for allegedly punching a detainee while capturing him back in September and giving him a fat lip.  This is complete and utter BS!!!!     This @&%$#$% is the ringleader of the mob that killed the four Blackwater guards, drug their bodies through the streets of Fallujah and hung them on the bridge.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,576646,00.html

[x]

Trust Faux Sleeze to stir the crap and pour gasoline on the fire.

Fact:  It wasn't a fat lip.  They beat the crap out of the guy, against orders.
Fact:  At a time when prisoner detainee abuse runs high, the guy had plenty of people to complain to, in this case the Iraqi government.
Fact:  The SEALs were offered non-judicial punishment but instead chose to be court martialed.
 
Reality:  Just because you're a SEAL you don't have the right to beat someone up
Reality:  You can guarantee that no matter what comes down, the most the SEALS will get is a slap on the wrist.
 
Lesson Learned:  Don't go beating up on people just because you think they deserve it.  This is lawlessness, no matter who does it.

[Chrisj CMA]

The guy probably beat his own face against the wall so he could accuse the S.E.A.L. s.......The dude is a real BAD guy and the SEALS are Heros! PERIOD!  And no matter how you slice it, it stinks!  If they hit the guy at all "against orders" they were defending themselves.....thats probably why they asked for the courts martial......they wanted everyone to see how unfairly they are being treated!  When I was on active duty it was the thing to do whenever you were INNOCENT.....you refuse the Non-Judicial punishment, that still ruins the rest of your career BTW.........and take the court because at least in the Military courts you still get a fair trial, or did 10 years ago

[fudgie]

I heard that on the news the other day. Just a local station. I thought it was BS for them to get in trouble.  Makes me mad when soliders get in trouble for ruffing a bad guy up. 

[X Ring]

Maybe the CNN story is more to your liking. http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/11/25/navy.seals.falluja/index.html  It says the same thing.

FACT:  Unless YOU were there, you don't know what actually happened.    

FACT:  When the British Police busted the Al Qaeda cell in Manchester, they discovered an Al Qaeda handbook that explicitly detailed filing abuse complaints against the personnel who took them into custody.  Al Qaeda is teaching it's people to use our own legal system against us.  

FACT:  People, especially combatants, don't come along peacably.  There is a reason Police Officers are taught Defensive Tactics and carry Handcuffs, Pepper Spray, Impact Weapons and Firearms.    Physical Force is a lower level of Use of Force/Rules of Engagement than the Use of Lethal Force.

FACT:  Witnesses stated the detainee did NOT have any physical injuries when taken into custody.

FACT:  The SEALS did refuse a Captain's Mast/Article 15.  That tells me one thing.  Either the case is weak or, God Forbid, they are innocent.  Unlike you, who went off on other members about the use of "Alledged" in front of Major Hasan's name and their ire about it, I completely understand the term INNOCENT until PROVEN guilty.  If it's good enough for Major Hasan it's good enough for the personnel we send in harm's way.

FACT:  If they had "beat the crap out of the guy" as you said, I'm pretty sure they wouldn't have been offered the Captian's Mast.

FACT:  A Courts Martial Conviction is a Federal Court Conviction.  It doesn't matter that this is only the civilian equivalent of a Misdeamenor.  It would END their careers if convicted.  In today's military, they would be denied re-enlistment and would lose their Security Clearances which would remove them from Special Operations.  

[fstsix]

Hey SE here is a BBQ for you and they have told me that you are Formally invited I think they said they are defending our country in the name of Political Correctness, You are one funny guy Hahahahahah  I can count 6 Navy Seals here lol!!!

[MP]

I like the way liberals like SE, who consider themselves "fair", convict them right away, with no facts to back up their claims of abuse.  Then, say the seals will get away with it.  Maybe, possibly, they are innocent?

Please post a link that says they beat him to near death??

MP

[Chrisj CMA]

I like the way liberals like SE, who consider themselves "fair", convict them right away, with no facts to back up their claims of abuse.  Then, say the seals will get away with it.  Maybe, possibly, they are innocent?

Please post a link that says they beat him to near death??

MP

MP, Ill wait to hear whether S.E. is secretly a Navy Seal.......if he was secretely requested to join the team and go into Iraq, I mean who am I to say its not true.....that would be the only way he would know the "FACTS" he posted........The Fact is its not S.E. that is the problem here.......its the media. 
They should only report that the terrorist is in custody.  All the rest needs to be handled behind closed doors and we should not know anything about it.  That way it protects our men and women....this way it leaves them open to attack, But these liberals dont see that.....its all about cutting down and blaming because they hate the military

[sandy]

The 2 news stories posted only report the "fat lip". SE: What are your sources about the "beating" you talk about?

Trust Faux Sleeze to stir the crap and pour gasoline on the fire.

Fact:  It wasn't a fat lip.  They beat the crap out of the guy, against orders.
Fact:  At a time when prisoner detainee abuse runs high, the guy had plenty of people to complain to, in this case the Iraqi government.
Fact:  The SEALs were offered non-judicial punishment but instead chose to be court martialed.
 
Reality:  Just because you're a SEAL you don't have the right to beat someone up
Reality:  You can guarantee that no matter what comes down, the most the SEALS will get is a slap on the wrist.
 
Lesson Learned:  Don't go beating up on people just because you think they deserve it.  This is lawlessness, no matter who does it.  

The 2 news stories posted say nothing other than the "fat lip". SE: what are your sources about the beating you post about?

[Jess from VA]

Excellent analysis Marty. 

You think this guy came willingly?  They did bring him in alive, which is maybe the mistake if this is the thanks they get.  These ops generally take place in Indian country where they need the subject to be quiet to get out alive.  Perhaps they should have left him dead, and just brought back a finger/DNA/photo.... mission security.

I might add it takes balls to turn down a Art.15, which guarantees a court martial, even if you are innocent. 

If anyone hears of a legal defense fund, please post it. 

And it is true, none of this should ever make the press.  There is no public right to know when the publicity directly harms the mission and the troops.  It is an irony that even the socialist Europeans do a much better job of contolling the press in national security matters than the US.

[alph]

Once again the media has made a conviction before considering the facts.  

No, I don’t know what happened, and I will not make any assumptions.  Maybe they did hit the guy, maybe he whacked his head on the door post and saw an opportunity to make the seals look bad, maybe it wasn’t a fat lip but an allergic reaction to the pork roast the guys made for the poor hungry terrorist.  Who knows!  

All I know is this; these Navy Seals do a job that most people are not capable of doing.  That they receive hours, weeks, years of training to do the right thing.  I highly doubt they did what they are accused of doing.  So once again, the media jumps on the opportunity to make the American military look bad.  

[rainman]

The only thing that I can see the Seals did wrong was they let him live. In my book of war there are NO prisoners. 

[Puffs Daddy]

I like the way liberals like SE, who consider themselves "fair", convict them right away, with no facts to back up their claims of abuse.  Then, say the seals will get away with it.  Maybe, possibly, they are innocent?

Please post a link that says they beat him to near death??

MP

That's a fair cop. Neither the Navy Seals nor anyone else in this country is guilty until subject to due process of law. On the other hand, the news stories suggest that the charges have nothing to do with "capturing" the suspect in question, but with alleged treatment after his capture. And since Navy Seals are supposed to be an elite cadre of the nation's armed forces, one can reasonably presume that they would know and understand the rules of engagement. If so, brutal treatment of a prisoner is not condoned by the US Navy.

[bsnicely]

I hope they read him his rights..      Like I have said before,   take a clear site picture and squeeze!

[X Ring]

I hope they read him his rights..      Like I have said before,   take a clear site picture and squeeze!

Or as I have said numerous times while instructing, "Front sight, trigger press, follow through"

[PAVALKER]

Trust Faux Sleeze to stir the crap and pour gasoline on the fire.

Fact:  It wasn't a fat lip.  They beat the crap out of the guy, against orders.
Fact:  At a time when prisoner detainee abuse runs high, the guy had plenty of people to complain to, in this case the Iraqi government.
Fact:  The SEALs were offered non-judicial punishment but instead chose to be court martialed.
 
Reality:  Just because you're a SEAL you don't have the right to beat someone up
Reality:  You can guarantee that no matter what comes down, the most the SEALS will get is a slap on the wrist.
 
Lesson Learned:  Don't go beating up on people just because you think they deserve it.  This is lawlessness, no matter who does it.

SE....  How about backing up your Facts and Reality statements with some kind of documentation or did you just fabricate this stuff?

Hey SE here is a BBQ for you and they have told me that you are Formally invited I think they said they are defending our country in the name of Political Correctness, You are one funny guy Hahahahahah  I can count 6 Navy Seals here lol!!!

Wow... that neighborhood looks kinda familiar...

[Jeff K]

Trust Faux Sleeze to stir the crap and pour gasoline on the fire.

Fact:  It wasn't a fat lip.  They beat the crap out of the guy, against orders.
Fact:  At a time when prisoner detainee abuse runs high, the guy had plenty of people to complain to, in this case the Iraqi government.
Fact:  The SEALs were offered non-judicial punishment but instead chose to be court martialed.
 
Reality:  Just because you're a SEAL you don't have the right to beat someone up
Reality:  You can guarantee that no matter what comes down, the most the SEALS will get is a slap on the wrist.
 
Lesson Learned:  Don't go beating up on people just because you think they deserve it.  This is lawlessness, no matter who does it.

Surely this situation called for a time out. And after the time out they should have worked on raising the terrorist's self esteem. If we wouldn't be calling them "terrorists" they wouldn't be so confused and angry. Maybe some anger management training to boot. 
Society has caused this man to be who and what he is, we all share the blame here.
 

[fstsix]

Trust Faux Sleeze to stir the crap and pour gasoline on the fire.

Fact:  It wasn't a fat lip.  They beat the crap out of the guy, against orders.
Fact:  At a time when prisoner detainee abuse runs high, the guy had plenty of people to complain to, in this case the Iraqi government.
Fact:  The SEALs were offered non-judicial punishment but instead chose to be court martialed.
 
Reality:  Just because you're a SEAL you don't have the right to beat someone up
Reality:  You can guarantee that no matter what comes down, the most the SEALS will get is a slap on the wrist.
 
Lesson Learned:  Don't go beating up on people just because you think they deserve it.  This is lawlessness, no matter who does it.

SE....  How about backing up your Facts and Reality statements with some kind of documentation or did you just fabricate this stuff?

Hey SE here is a BBQ for you and they have told me that you are Formally invited I think they said they are defending our country in the name of Political Correctness, You are one funny guy Hahahahahah  I can count 6 Navy Seals here lol!!!

Wow... that neighborhood looks kinda familiar...

5 miles from little Creek i just finished their new training center Gym at Gate 5.This picture is Chesapeake Va i have property 4 miles from Blackwater I purchased my property from a Seal and have had many of these Brave men at my house for the Holidays, This is my friends house Chief Master Sarge, ret Navy, also Patriot gaurd. GOD BLESS THESES GUYS. This is VA bike Family group, we host rides and fellowship for men and women who have no family in this state and have some fun while they cannot be with their loved ones because they are 'Federal' property, This is the part that the (Left) does not get FT HOOD not civilians get it, TREASON for the Major! Let the military deal with war crimes. 'My clearance was pretty tight to get in as a contractor' Keep the media out!!!

[PAVALKER]

Yep.... I thought it had a familiar look.   Was stationed in and around the Little Creek, Norfolk, Va Beach area for half of my career.  I could just tell....   I need to take a nice ride back down there for a visit thru the area.... I miss it.

[Psychotic Bovine]

Trust Faux Sleeze to stir the crap and pour gasoline on the fire.

Fact:  It wasn't a fat lip.  They beat the crap out of the guy, against orders.
Fact:  At a time when prisoner detainee abuse runs high, the guy had plenty of people to complain to, in this case the Iraqi government.
Fact:  The SEALs were offered non-judicial punishment but instead chose to be court martialed.
 
Reality:  Just because you're a SEAL you don't have the right to beat someone up
Reality:  You can guarantee that no matter what comes down, the most the SEALS will get is a slap on the wrist.
 
Lesson Learned:  Don't go beating up on people just because you think they deserve it.  This is lawlessness, no matter who does it.

For you, Strong Eagle:


And I mean that whole-heartedly

[MAD6Gun]

  As far as I am concerned a fat lid was too good for this POS. I don't care if they allegedly gave him a "fat lip" or a major ass kicking. HE DESERVED IT. They should have just shot him in the head and been done with it. Let him see his 72 virgins first hand. That is what they want after all. Lets oblige everyone of them.

 Eagle did you look at that picture that is on that link. Did you HUH. Did you see what that animal did to our people. Now tell me if that was your son or brother hanging from the bridge burned would you feel the same way,HUH? If that was a relative or friend of mine I would want to kill the bastard myself.

 These Terrorist do not deserve any compassion at all PERIOD. What they do deserve is to be dead. Do you understand that they want to KILL us all no matter what?  

[RoadKill]

I dont know the details but it sounds like he was guilty 'nuff for AT LEAST an ass whoopin !  Guilt by association would be good enough to knock the crap outta him and drench him in pigs blood. Cruel and unusual punishment can come later .

[X Ring]

For those who've never seen it.

[fudgie]

Trust Faux Sleeze to stir the crap and pour gasoline on the fire.

Fact:  It wasn't a fat lip.  They beat the crap out of the guy, against orders.
Fact:  At a time when prisoner detainee abuse runs high, the guy had plenty of people to complain to, in this case the Iraqi government.
Fact:  The SEALs were offered non-judicial punishment but instead chose to be court martialed.
 
Reality:  Just because you're a SEAL you don't have the right to beat someone up
Reality:  You can guarantee that no matter what comes down, the most the SEALS will get is a slap on the wrist.
 
Lesson Learned:  Don't go beating up on people just because you think they deserve it.  This is lawlessness, no matter who does it.

For you, Strong Eagle:


And I mean that whole-heartedly