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« Reply #2 on: July 21, 2019, 02:12:27 AM » |
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That loose floppy vest is not a good idea with a chainsaw.
And I'll throw in eye protection.
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« Reply #3 on: July 21, 2019, 03:09:52 AM » |
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How else would he learn to clear land??
Good on you for teaching him.
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« Reply #4 on: July 21, 2019, 05:23:56 AM » |
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That loose floppy vest is not a good idea with a chainsaw.
And I'll throw in eye protection.
The widow maker hanging over his head is the first thing that jumped out at me. (My assumption is this is just a camera angle thing.) Kids need to learn this stuff, it's good that he is willing to do it and not be staring at a gaming screen instead. |
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« Reply #5 on: July 21, 2019, 05:29:53 AM » |
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For sure - get him in the habit of working safe, with proper safety gear used correctly. otherwise, as a supervisor at your normal job - you should know how to train him  |
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« Reply #6 on: July 21, 2019, 05:31:19 AM » |
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That loose floppy vest is not a good idea with a chainsaw.
And I'll throw in eye protection.
The widow maker hanging over his head is the first thing that jumped out at me. (My assumption is this is just a camera angle thing.) Kids need to learn this stuff, it's good that he is willing to do it and not be staring at a gaming screen instead. Yes, the camera angle makes it look like he was underneath. He was a pretty fair distance away. In the first pic you can also see he was wearing safety glasses. I didn’t notice the vest being loose, I will check it if he wears it again.  He is willing to learn most anything. Today will be his first day on the boat picking fish. I’ll try to remember to get some pics. |
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« Reply #7 on: July 21, 2019, 06:04:33 AM » |
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too bad you are not closer to WI, I would have him practice on a big tree from neighbors yard that fell between my moms yard and my other neighbors house. Is mostly laying on my neighbors property only one smaller branch laying in moms yard, but not so sure who is responsible to cut it up and haul it away?
Is about twice the size of what you are cutting down and I have NO chainsaw but can get one if need be. I say is the responsibility of who owns the tree to cut it up and haul it away, right? Just lucky it did not fall on moms house or crash down into the 12x14 shed landing only 10 feet away in my moms backyard.
Will be near a full day of cutting up the pretty big tree even with a chainsaw so hopefully someone else will take care of most of it since is not really our tree on moms yard is all and other neighbors...
As we age into 50's and well past that, pays to have young ones under age 30 to help out anyway they can. I had yesterday my neighbors grandkid in my backyard take a smaller branch from the high winds yesterday blown down in my backyard and toss in the bushes/scrub area about 50 yards away while I kept picking up smaller sticks in my yard. He seemed reluctant to do it, but gave him something to do right?? Nothing wrong with putting younger kids to work for free right?
Problem is most kids nowadays want to get paid big bucks for doing so little work. Growing up I worked on a farm a few summers for minimum wage in the 80's being around 3.50 per hour happy to keep busy and this few years younger kid than me only helped bail hay ONCE telling me he is not doing this again for so little pay so not worth it. It was gas money for me basically is all...
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« Reply #8 on: July 21, 2019, 06:16:38 AM » |
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The baggy pants is what got my attention. Please give the guy a pair of chaps. (and ear protection). Good on you for instilling a work ethic. |
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« Reply #9 on: July 21, 2019, 06:24:51 AM » |
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The baggy pants is what got my attention. Please give the guy a pair of chaps. (and ear protection). Good on you for instilling a work ethic. Ageed, chaps. Ask SmokingJoe. |
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« Reply #10 on: July 21, 2019, 07:02:30 AM » |
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We’ve been putting my grandson to work. Is it breaking the law when they are family ? There was a time when I could clear an acre in a day. Not so much anymore. I’ve been working at it for days now.
Rob, Good! Childhood should never be all about play and fun, it needs to also be about learning how to be an adult. Things like situational awareness, personal safety, responsibility, and good work ethic are usually learned in childhood or not at all. Several have already mentioned safety precautions for that tree clearing work, probably because felling trees that way is in the top 5 most dangerous jobs a person can do. I am sure that you are well aware. Learned well, it is a skill that young man will always be proud of. I know what you mean about not being able to do things as quickly as you used to. I have the same malady. |
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« Reply #11 on: July 21, 2019, 04:28:02 PM » |
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speaking of tree cutting, my wife and I disagree but she looked it up on trees coming down from one person's yard to landing on another person's yard as happened yesterday at my moms house. She found out that even if the tree is owned by adjacent neighbor, if it comes down on your property that where the tree lands is the responsibility of that person, not the tree owner. I guess has something to do of acts of nature and the like???? I still say if the tree was on neighbors yard and is their tree, they should clean it up. Went over today to remove a few limbs on my moms yard but most of the tree is on my neighbors yard and she is age 68 or so and recently widowed last year. My neighbor has a chainsaw so I guess I could borrow it some other weekend? Not sure it will go thru it though is about near 2 feet wide give or take and about 40 feet long layin on the ground will have to cut up in 2 foot chunks just to lift them and get rid of them. NO damage done otherwise got lucky.
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« Reply #12 on: July 21, 2019, 04:42:27 PM » |
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Have you taught him to work on your Valkyrie?
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« Reply #13 on: July 21, 2019, 05:05:57 PM » |
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Hey Rob, good learning experience for the boy, just remember to use all the safety gear you can as a chainsaw can really do some bad stuff if you are not real careful.
And cookiedough, I think the best way to handle the tree is volunteer to help do the clean up if he is a good neighbor, and it keeps up a good relationship. That is only doing what you are able to do. It save's the back and forth of it your tree and you gotta do it thing. That doesn't usually end well.
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Have you taught him to work on your Valkyrie?
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« Reply #15 on: July 21, 2019, 05:53:48 PM » |
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speaking of tree cutting, my wife and I disagree but she looked it up on trees coming down from one person's yard to landing on another person's yard as happened yesterday at my moms house. She found out that even if the tree is owned by adjacent neighbor, if it comes down on your property that where the tree lands is the responsibility of that person, not the tree owner. I guess has something to do of acts of nature and the like???? I still say if the tree was on neighbors yard and is their tree, they should clean it up. Went over today to remove a few limbs on my moms yard but most of the tree is on my neighbors yard and she is age 68 or so and recently widowed last year. My neighbor has a chainsaw so I guess I could borrow it some other weekend? Not sure it will go thru it though is about near 2 feet wide give or take and about 40 feet long layin on the ground will have to cut up in 2 foot chunks just to lift them and get rid of them. NO damage done otherwise got lucky.
Cookie, this (neighbor's tree falls in your yard/or on your house issue) is really a question of state and even local law and code (and insurance law too for liability, which also varies by state), and not some universal rule everywhere. There has always been a fight over this issue, and the associated issue of other people's live tree limbs encroaching over their property and maybe putting their homes/garages/property in danger. (For instance, in my county, a neighbor's tree limb can be cut off, but not at the property line but only X amount of feet over the line.) So if you're going to study your local rules, make sure you are reading a state and local rule website. And make sure you are looking at residential (subdivision) rules, not rural woods rules. Also, you should insist the people's whose tree fell on your mom's yard call their homeowner's insurance and ask if at least that much of the cleanup is covered (and mention her age). It might be. Or your mom's homeowners. This subject came up 8 days ago when the wind snapped the top third of my neighbor's tree (40 feet up), and blew it 50 feet sideways over on my fence and back yard landscape. And the thing is, I had already had multiple discussions with him about that tree (and another). We are good friends, and these were friendly discussions. He wants them down too, but does not have the money (or skill) to bring them down, cut them up, and carry them away. They are both too big for harry homeowner to do. I even offered to pay half for the one tree right on my fence (which didn't snap off - yet). I got up early and went to work, and he came right out and apologized and we worked together to clean it up. All day. And all the wood got pitched in his yard. And he was very happy for my help. (And I was happy for his.) My fence and landscape was smacked, but not badly. I am not certain what the law is in my jurisdiction, but I think if a neighbor's unhealthy tree comes down on your property, it's his fault (and responsibility). Once trees get to a certain size (especially 30-100 years old) homeowners should be responsible to have them deadwooded and trimmed out if they are over his own or other's houses in a neighborhood, or overgrown/leaning/unhealthy. I've had my OLD oaks (5-6 foot trunks) professionally trimmed out 3 times, at a pretty big cost. Admittedly, I'm more worried about my house than others as it's much more at risk than the others, but the neighbors benefit from the work too. My neighbor and I are going to take the other one down together (this fall), because I don't have enough excitement in my life.  (and because the only house it can hit is his) |
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« Reply #16 on: July 21, 2019, 08:03:43 PM » |
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Its good for him . teach him the right way to split that wood also. And like Jess said.
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« Reply #17 on: July 22, 2019, 03:36:30 AM » |
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speaking of tree cutting, my wife and I disagree but she looked it up on trees coming down from one person's yard to landing on another person's yard as happened yesterday at my moms house. She found out that even if the tree is owned by adjacent neighbor, if it comes down on your property that where the tree lands is the responsibility of that person, not the tree owner. I guess has something to do of acts of nature and the like???? I still say if the tree was on neighbors yard and is their tree, they should clean it up. Went over today to remove a few limbs on my moms yard but most of the tree is on my neighbors yard and she is age 68 or so and recently widowed last year. My neighbor has a chainsaw so I guess I could borrow it some other weekend? Not sure it will go thru it though is about near 2 feet wide give or take and about 40 feet long layin on the ground will have to cut up in 2 foot chunks just to lift them and get rid of them. NO damage done otherwise got lucky.
Cookie, this (neighbor's tree falls in your yard/or on your house issue) is really a question of state and even local law and code (and insurance law too for liability, which also varies by state), and not some universal rule everywhere. There has always been a fight over this issue, and the associated issue of other people's live tree limbs encroaching over their property and maybe putting their homes/garages/property in danger. (For instance, in my county, a neighbor's tree limb can be cut off, but not at the property line but only X amount of feet over the line.) So if you're going to study your local rules, make sure you are reading a state and local rule website. And make sure you are looking at residential (subdivision) rules, not rural woods rules. Also, you should insist the people's whose tree fell on your mom's yard call their homeowner's insurance and ask if at least that much of the cleanup is covered (and mention her age). It might be. Or your mom's homeowners. This subject came up 8 days ago when the wind snapped the top third of my neighbor's tree (40 feet up), and blew it 50 feet sideways over on my fence and back yard landscape. And the thing is, I had already had multiple discussions with him about that tree (and another). We are good friends, and these were friendly discussions. He wants them down too, but does not have the money (or skill) to bring them down, cut them up, and carry them away. They are both too big for harry homeowner to do. I even offered to pay half for the one tree right on my fence (which didn't snap off - yet). I got up early and went to work, and he came right out and apologized and we worked together to clean it up. All day. And all the wood got pitched in his yard. And he was very happy for my help. (And I was happy for his.) My fence and landscape was smacked, but not badly. I am not certain what the law is in my jurisdiction, but I think if a neighbor's unhealthy tree comes down on your property, it's his fault (and responsibility). Once trees get to a certain size (especially 30-100 years old) homeowners should be responsible to have them deadwooded and trimmed out if they are over his own or other's houses in a neighborhood, or overgrown/leaning/unhealthy. I've had my OLD oaks (5-6 foot trunks) professionally trimmed out 3 times, at a pretty big cost. Admittedly, I'm more worried about my house than others as it's much more at risk than the others, but the neighbors benefit from the work too. My neighbor and I are going to take the other one down together (this fall), because I don't have enough excitement in my life. (and because the only house it can hit is his) am not too worried about it since I cut up one limb sitting on my mom's property and hauled away with a hand bow saw, but going to have to borrow a chainsaw to help out the main trunk and rest of tree sitting on my age 68 year old widowed neighbors. She does have 3 kids though younger than me to ask for help and help out as well but I know all 3 and doubt they will help. I think the tree belongs to the neighbors below mom but not sure their entire backyard is a mess and jungle of junk trees all over. I did ask them a couple years ago to cut their darn scrub bushes all down climbing all over 4-5 feet into my moms yard so I can mow back there. Is time to do it again they all have grown back up all over again. Is a jungle back there for sure. Just glad that tree or others did not come down on my moms shed got lucky on that for sure. The tree fell about 1 foot perfectly over my moms yard onto neighbors yard over the lot line. |
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« Reply #19 on: July 22, 2019, 03:39:03 PM » |
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« Reply #20 on: July 22, 2019, 05:31:59 PM » |
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That’s awesome Rob! Those smiles tell me they’re having the time of their lives.
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« Reply #21 on: July 23, 2019, 10:59:04 AM » |
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The baggy pants is what got my attention. Please give the guy a pair of chaps. (and ear protection). Good on you for instilling a work ethic. chaps yes. ear plugs, face shield, leather steel toe boots and chain saw approved gloves. Safety, safety, safety and safety. |
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« Reply #22 on: July 23, 2019, 11:04:10 AM » |
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 Brayden had more forced child labor yesterday. He had to pick 240 sockeye salmon out of gillnets . We did provide him a breakfast and lunch though. great picture. lots of happiness and joy there. God Bless you. |
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« Reply #24 on: July 24, 2019, 12:04:23 PM » |
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Does all this fish get put up for later eating, or does it get sold?
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« Reply #25 on: July 24, 2019, 12:24:01 PM » |
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Does all this fish get put up for later eating, or does it get sold?
(Not writing a book, just curious.)
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We had a little Chinese labor camp going yesterday Rob, that picture is awesome It's good to see kids w/o phones in their hands. |
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We had a little Chinese labor camp going yesterday Rob, that picture is awesome It's good to see kids w/o phones in their hands. Thanks, Bill. It is pretty cool to see them all working and playing together. |
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