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OK, I've been through the Darkside forum, which hasn't been posted to in months. Also went to the Darkside Tire Info, site. Here's the problem. Lots of folks running the 205/65/16 tires on their 2000 Valks. I just mounted one up, crammed it in, and rubs big time on the right swing arm. Hard enough that the tire can't be turned. Am I missing something, here? Axle spacers and brake caliber are all in place, so see no way of moving tire to the left any. I have at least an inch space on the left side swing-arm.
Thought I would try this forum for an answer before running to town for another tire, that is narrower.
Thanks!
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« Reply #1 on: August 12, 2019, 06:31:23 AM » |
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OK, I've been through the Darkside forum, which hasn't been posted to in months. Also went to the Darkside Tire Info, site. Here's the problem. Lots of folks running the 205/65/16 tires on their 2000 Valks. I just mounted one up, crammed it in, and rubs big time on the right swing arm. Hard enough that the tire can't be turned. Am I missing something, here? Axle spacers and brake caliber are all in place, so see no way of moving tire to the left any. I have at least an inch space on the left side swing-arm.
Thought I would try this forum for an answer before running to town for another tire, that is narrower.
Thanks!
I run that size. some are slightly narrower than others. I use Laufenn G Fit, it is narrower sidewall and tread. its close on the right side but has never rubbed. There was somebody at the beginning of DS, that it was determined their swing arm had excessive size weld that was causing the rubbing. they grind it down and repainted. |
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« Reply #2 on: August 12, 2019, 06:42:02 AM » |
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I have had several different DS, 65 series tires. Non have rubbed the swing arm. Like 98Valk said maybe you have extra material on swing arm.
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« Reply #3 on: August 12, 2019, 06:51:22 AM » |
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OK, guys. Appreciate it. I've about figured the tire is just wider than some of the other 205's. Getting ready to pull it back out, so will check the frame, but didn't look like weld was the problem. Guess I'll end up running to town for a 195.
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« Reply #4 on: August 12, 2019, 07:17:12 AM » |
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There is only about a credit card width of space on mine, which is about the width of the thrust washer, are you sure it is in place?
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« Reply #5 on: August 12, 2019, 07:21:45 AM » |
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OK, I've been through the Darkside forum, which hasn't been posted to in months. Also went to the Darkside Tire Info, site. Here's the problem. Lots of folks running the 205/65/16 tires on their 2000 Valks. I just mounted one up, crammed it in, and rubs big time on the right swing arm. Hard enough that the tire can't be turned. Am I missing something, here? Axle spacers and brake caliber are all in place, so see no way of moving tire to the left any. I have at least an inch space on the left side swing-arm.
Thought I would try this forum for an answer before running to town for another tire, that is narrower.
Thanks!
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« Reply #6 on: August 12, 2019, 07:26:52 AM » |
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In addition to the nut cage mod, there is a fender washer mod, which is for the relatively few bikes that had a side rubbing problem (beyond the nut cages). I've not done it, and not seen it done, but it involves adding spacer washers on one side to pull the frame away from the tire. Here is an old post that discusses it, although the included link to how-to no longer works. http://www.valkyrieforum.com/bbs/index.php/topic,56539.0.html |
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« Reply #7 on: August 12, 2019, 07:29:49 AM » |
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There is only about a credit card width of space on mine, which is about the width of the thrust washer, are you sure it is in place?
I'm getting ready to pull it down, and will check that, too. Didn't notice if it was there or not when I tore it down, but didn't take it out. Might be missing a thrust washer... Thanks for the input. |
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« Reply #8 on: August 12, 2019, 07:39:10 AM » |
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I'm on my 3d 4th?? 205-65-16 and the least clearance I've ever had was a snug two credit card THICKNESS'S. I'm on a Douglas-wally wurld-205-65-16 asymetrical tread and have good side clearance. Check and make SURE all internal parts of the rear drive are there and correctly mounted/installed. RIDE SAFE.
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« Reply #9 on: August 12, 2019, 07:40:04 AM » |
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There is only about a credit card width of space on mine, which is about the width of the thrust washer, are you sure it is in place?
I'm getting ready to pull it down, and will check that, too. Didn't notice if it was there or not when I tore it down, but didn't take it out. Might be missing a thrust washer... Thanks for the input. You should be taking out the thrush washer, cleaning the area and regreasing it. (I think you will like the 195 better anyway) |
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« Reply #10 on: August 12, 2019, 08:16:08 AM » |
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Thrust washer is in place. It was stuck up in the final drive. No problem with a weld, either. Guess I'll tear this one off and go get something else. Apparently it's a tad wider than most. I did this about 2 years ago on my 98SE GW, and loved it. Still have the bike, and still doesn't really show any tire wear after a bit over 10k. Just have to find a fit for this one, I guess.
Appreciate the help.
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« Reply #11 on: August 12, 2019, 08:53:42 AM » |
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Thrust washer is in place. It was stuck up in the final drive. No problem with a weld, either. Guess I'll tear this one off and go get something else. Apparently it's a tad wider than most. I did this about 2 years ago on my 98SE GW, and loved it. Still have the bike, and still doesn't really show any tire wear after a bit over 10k. Just have to find a fit for this one, I guess.
Appreciate the help.
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« Reply #12 on: August 12, 2019, 08:59:41 AM » |
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Thrust washer is in place. It was stuck up in the final drive. No problem with a weld, either. Guess I'll tear this one off and go get something else. Apparently it's a tad wider than most. I did this about 2 years ago on my 98SE GW, and loved it. Still have the bike, and still doesn't really show any tire wear after a bit over 10k. Just have to find a fit for this one, I guess.
Appreciate the help.
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« Reply #13 on: August 12, 2019, 12:51:16 PM » |
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Thrust washer is in place. It was stuck up in the final drive. No problem with a weld, either. Guess I'll tear this one off and go get something else. Apparently it's a tad wider than most. I did this about 2 years ago on my 98SE GW, and loved it. Still have the bike, and still doesn't really show any tire wear after a bit over 10k. Just have to find a fit for this one, I guess.
Appreciate the help.
What tire is it you used that was to wide? Brand? I don't remember. Finnish made, started with an N. I'll look tomorrow. Ended up putting a Hankook Optimo H426 195/60/16. Shorter, and I really didn't want to lower the gearing anymore, but couldn't find a 195/65/16 locally, and wanted this thing back together. It's on, with lots of clearance both sides, but haven't finished bolting everything up. High heat and humitiy down here in Florida, today, so packed it in until tomorrow. |
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« Reply #14 on: August 12, 2019, 01:11:55 PM » |
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Was the tire aired when you checked? They get just a bit narrower when aired up.
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« Reply #15 on: August 12, 2019, 02:05:07 PM » |
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Carl, my first car tire, I tried to shove it up there off the rim for dry fit and it wouldn't fit at all. (60, not 65) Uh Oh. It worked for everyone else, so I got it mounted and aired up and it did fit (with the credit card or two of closeness that never rubs for me). They get more than a bit narrower, maybe two bits. I hope that's not the problem. |
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« Reply #16 on: August 12, 2019, 06:47:28 PM » |
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In addition to the nut cage mod, there is a fender washer mod, which is for the relatively few bikes that had a side rubbing problem (beyond the nut cages). I've not done it, and not seen it done, but it involves adding spacer washers on one side to pull the frame away from the tire. . . .
The fender washer mod pulls the fender away from the tire. It has no effect on the tire rubbing the swingarm. The purpose of the fender washer mod is to keep the tire from rubbing the nut cages without removing the nut cages. |
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« Reply #17 on: August 14, 2019, 05:44:43 AM » |
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Just a final update. The tire that would not fit is a Nokian 206/65/16. I bought it because they don't use Chinese rubber, it had super ratings, good load rating and speed ratings. Also came in at $73 including free shipping. Getting ready to try and send it back. BTW, Tire was fully aired after shoving it in deflated to get past the differential. Best guess is that this tire is just a tad wider than most other 205's. I appreciate all the help, guys. I'll run this 195 for a bit, and maybe try another brand 205 when it cools off some. The 195 leaves tons of room on both sides, but is quite a bit shorter being a 60 as opposed to the 65. Now I have to figure out what I did to my speedometer, when I put the new front tire on, since it isn't working now.  |
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« Reply #18 on: August 14, 2019, 04:36:25 PM » |
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Just a final update. The tire that would not fit is a Nokian 206/65/16. I bought it because they don't use Chinese rubber, it had super ratings, good load rating and speed ratings. Also came in at $73 including free shipping. Getting ready to try and send it back. BTW, Tire was fully aired after shoving it in deflated to get past the differential. Best guess is that this tire is just a tad wider than most other 205's. I appreciate all the help, guys. I'll run this 195 for a bit, and maybe try another brand 205 when it cools off some. The 195 leaves tons of room on both sides, but is quite a bit shorter being a 60 as opposed to the 65. Now I have to figure out what I did to my speedometer, when I put the new front tire on, since it isn't working now. Are you getting a click, click sound from the speedo? Did you tap the axle all the way in? |
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« Reply #19 on: August 14, 2019, 05:19:34 PM » |
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Now I have to figure out what I did to my speedometer, when I put the new front tire on, since it isn't working now. Make sure the metal cable didn’t fall out of the speedometer cable housing. Ths happened to my brother once and it was sitting on the floor of the garage, blending in with the concrete. |
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« Reply #20 on: August 16, 2019, 05:41:36 AM » |
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Still having the speedo problem. I took everything apart yesterday. Made sure the tab was behing the boss on the fork, even took the speedometer off and made sure that end of the cable was good, and shoved it into the speedometer until it stopped. This morning took it out. Still not working. Was working fine until I pulled the front tire off to replace it with a new one. No reason it should "break" while new tire was being mounted. Can't figure it out. Wanted to pull the speedometer apart, but have been unable to get the trip knob out of the casing, so I could slide the casing off.
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« Reply #21 on: August 16, 2019, 06:00:18 AM » |
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Still having the speedo problem. I took everything apart yesterday. Made sure the tab was behing the boss on the fork, even took the speedometer off and made sure that end of the cable was good, and shoved it into the speedometer until it stopped. This morning took it out. Still not working. Was working fine until I pulled the front tire off to replace it with a new one. No reason it should "break" while new tire was being mounted. Can't figure it out. Wanted to pull the speedometer apart, but have been unable to get the trip knob out of the casing, so I could slide the casing off.
More than likely the speedometer itself is ok. Probably something on the wheel end of the cable or the mount itself. |
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« Reply #22 on: August 16, 2019, 06:11:08 AM » |
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Still having the speedo problem. I took everything apart yesterday. Made sure the tab was behing the boss on the fork, even took the speedometer off and made sure that end of the cable was good, and shoved it into the speedometer until it stopped. This morning took it out. Still not working. Was working fine until I pulled the front tire off to replace it with a new one. No reason it should "break" while new tire was being mounted. Can't figure it out. Wanted to pull the speedometer apart, but have been unable to get the trip knob out of the casing, so I could slide the casing off.
More than likely the speedometer itself is ok. Probably something on the wheel end of the cable or the mount itself. That is what I am hoping for, but haven't figured it out. I pulled all the gears out of the hub yesterday, cleaned it all out, regreased it, and spun it over to check that gears were meshing and not broken anywhere. All looked great. Checked cable from one end to the other, with it out of the housing. All good and spinning. Guess next thing I will try is to pull the cable from the speedometer, again, and try spinning the front tire and see if the cable is turning at the speedometer end. If not, guess it's a tire/hub problem, if so, a speedo problem, and no idea who might work on one of these. |
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There is very little Phillips head screw inside the trip meter knob.
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« Reply #24 on: September 02, 2019, 05:17:21 AM » |
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This is a very delayed update, lot of things going on here. However, wanted to put a plug in for Simple Tire, where I have ordered my last two darkside tires from. Their policy of returns, no questions asked, was proven with this tire. They emailed me a label which I printed out and taped to the tire. Dropped it off at a FedEx facility, when it was scanned they sent an email that refund was being issued. This was before the tire had even left town. Good people, good service in my experience. Freight has always been free, too.
Oh, solved the speedo problem. The washer in the wheel had flattened tabs, so would not engage the speedometer gear. Bent the tabs back up, and good to go. Not sure how they got flattened, but must have happened while installing the tire on the rim, somehow.
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