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https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/9898973/ashura-festival-blood-devout-muslims-knives-heads/so if they cut their children's heads in America, like they do in other countries, would that be child abuse or religious freedom?
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« Reply #1 on: September 10, 2019, 08:44:55 AM » |
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I guess for those that think shira law is Ok, then that would be OK.
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« Reply #2 on: September 10, 2019, 09:20:17 AM » |
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These people are sick. We do not have to accept this as normal
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« Reply #3 on: September 10, 2019, 12:44:12 PM » |
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Now, I happen to think that shira law is not OK. Not OK anywhere. Just thought maybe I should clarify.
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« Reply #4 on: September 10, 2019, 02:44:15 PM » |
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Sounds like and IS a barbaric custom. A "religion"? that condones Child Abuse!  Oh wait-aren't they also O K with beating their wives? And the U S of A fer sure and fer certain DO NOT need sharia law here. RIDE SAFE.
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« Reply #5 on: September 10, 2019, 03:28:12 PM » |
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Sounds like and IS a barbaric custom. A "religion"? that condones Child Abuse!  Oh wait-aren't they also O K with beating their wives? And the U S of A fer sure and fer certain DO NOT need sharia law here. RIDE SAFE. raping non-muslim woman, little girls and animals is also ok in their book.
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« Reply #6 on: September 10, 2019, 07:14:09 PM » |
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Sounds like and IS a barbaric custom. A "religion"? that condones Child Abuse!  Oh wait-aren't they also O K with beating their wives? And the U S of A fer sure and fer certain DO NOT need sharia law here. RIDE SAFE. raping non-muslim woman, little girls and animals is also ok in their book. And killin non mooslims. RIDE SAFE.
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« Reply #7 on: September 10, 2019, 07:58:23 PM » |
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It is ok in their book to kill all of us
So why should I care what they do to themselves?
Miss the days when Iran and Iraq fought themselves instead of us
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« Reply #8 on: September 10, 2019, 09:16:12 PM » |
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It is ok in their book to kill all of us
So why should I care what they do to themselves?
Miss the days when Iran and Iraq fought themselves instead of us
Understood OSS but cuting the heads of 1-2 year olds who know nothing is pure child abuse. Let the children grow a bjt and make up their own minds if that is the religion they want to follow. I think most would elect to jot be mutilated at such a young age.
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« Reply #9 on: September 11, 2019, 02:33:55 AM » |
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I'm curious. Do you have these things set up on a search request, auto notification type pf thing?
Or do you just go looking for it?
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« Reply #10 on: September 11, 2019, 04:25:21 AM » |
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Now, I happen to think that shira law is not OK. Not OK anywhere. Just thought maybe I should clarify.
The proper term is "Sharia Law", and yes - it has no place in the USA (well - Dearborn MI, where alot have settled).
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« Reply #11 on: September 11, 2019, 04:52:54 AM » |
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I'm curious. Do you have these things set up on a search request, auto notification type pf thing?
Or do you just go looking for it?
When I see these kinds of posts, quite often I notice the same story being listed on Drudge at the same time, I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess that's where the stories are first picked up in a lot of cases... https://www.drudgereport.com/It's on Drudge right now: 
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« Reply #12 on: September 11, 2019, 05:14:38 AM » |
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I'm curious. Do you have these things set up on a search request, auto notification type pf thing?
Or do you just go looking for it?
When I see these kinds of posts, quite often I notice the same story being listed on Drudge at the same time, I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess that's where the stories are first picked up in a lot of cases... https://www.drudgereport.com/It's on Drudge right now:  I see......that would explain it..... Thanks
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« Reply #13 on: September 11, 2019, 05:27:43 AM » |
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I'm curious. Do you have these things set up on a search request, auto notification type pf thing?
Or do you just go looking for it?
When I see these kinds of posts, quite often I notice the same story being listed on Drudge at the same time, I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess that's where the stories are first picked up in a lot of cases... https://www.drudgereport.com/It's on Drudge right now:  Lets not forget Newsmax, Breitbart, Daily Caller, and the granddaddy of them all Infowars.
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« Reply #14 on: September 11, 2019, 06:19:26 AM » |
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I'm curious. Do you have these things set up on a search request, auto notification type pf thing?
Or do you just go looking for it?
When I see these kinds of posts, quite often I notice the same story being listed on Drudge at the same time, I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess that's where the stories are first picked up in a lot of cases... https://www.drudgereport.com/It's on Drudge right now:  I see......that would explain it..... Thanks what? u didn't know this has been going on for centuries? I've know about it for over 30yrs. They have been calling American "Satan" who needs to be destroyed, for longer than that. do u pay attention to the world outside of America and its enemies?
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« Reply #15 on: September 11, 2019, 09:04:33 AM » |
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what? u didn't know this has been going on for centuries? I've know about it for over 30yrs. They have been calling American "Satan" who needs to be destroyed, for longer than that. do u pay attention to the world outside of America and its enemies?
LOLOL.....I guess I've had other things on my mind.....have a nice day.
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« Reply #16 on: September 11, 2019, 09:06:16 AM » |
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TatbirThey apparently don't like to do it much when others are watching, and it quotes one of the Grand Ayatollahs as saying he loves the youths that do it... -Mike
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« Reply #17 on: September 11, 2019, 09:17:45 AM » |
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Now, I happen to think that shira law is not OK. Not OK anywhere. Just thought maybe I should clarify.
The proper term is "Sharia Law", and yes - it has no place in the USA (well - Dearborn MI, where alot have settled). Ooopps, yep, you're right. I know how to pronounce it, really screwed up with the spelling though.
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« Reply #18 on: September 11, 2019, 02:18:19 PM » |
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So I am absolutely 100% opposed to this custom I wonder how you all feel about circumcision?
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« Reply #19 on: September 11, 2019, 02:24:57 PM » |
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So I am absolutely 100% opposed to this custom I wonder who you all feel about circumcision?
A religious ritual of chopping off part of ones penis ? Nobody asked me if I was ok with it beforehand. If I could have spoke then, I would have said Hell No !  (although I'm kind of glad I don't have it now)
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« Reply #20 on: September 11, 2019, 02:33:10 PM » |
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So I am absolutely 100% opposed to this custom I wonder who you all feel about circumcision?
A religious ritual of chopping off part of ones penis ? Nobody asked me if I was ok with it beforehand. If I could have spoke then, I would have said Hell No !  (although I'm kind of glad I don't have it now) Originated in religion, but religion isn't the only factor or motivation on that one... https://www.who.int/hiv/topics/malecircumcision/en/
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« Reply #21 on: September 11, 2019, 02:45:36 PM » |
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I'm glad I had it, and even more glad it was done so early I have no recollection of it. In Islam, they wait till he's a boy, then make it a big celebration, with gifts and a ride around town dressed up like Prince for the Day. I wouldn't be happy either buddy. 
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« Reply #22 on: September 11, 2019, 02:57:30 PM » |
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So I am absolutely 100% opposed to this custom I wonder who you all feel about circumcision?
A religious ritual of chopping off part of ones penis ? Nobody asked me if I was ok with it beforehand. If I could have spoke then, I would have said Hell No !  (although I'm kind of glad I don't have it now) Originated in religion, but religion isn't the only factor or motivation on that one... https://www.who.int/hiv/topics/malecircumcision/en/I'm sure. My parents weren't especially religious at all. But all 3 of us boys had it done. I suspect more of a cultural thing for them. Then there is also this thing where we cut holes in little girls ears. We do many things to our kids that might seem barbaric to others. I hesitate to bring up the subject again of parents who won't get their kids vaccinated. As to the Islamic tradition in question, I find it very barbaric. I could no way cut my child or grandchild. I find a person that can willfully injure a child psychologically twisted.
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« Reply #23 on: September 11, 2019, 03:03:50 PM » |
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Then there is also this thing where we cut holes in little girls ears. We do many things to our kids that might seem barbaric to others.
I fully admitted my hypocrisy on that one, although I was in favor of having my boy's pencils sharpened, I was adamantly against having the girl's ears pierced until they were old enough to know what it was and ask to have it done. In exchange for waiting, the agreement we had was that if or when the girls decided they wanted their ears pierced, I would be the one to take them. I took both of them when they were old enough to know and ask, and both of them eventually let their piercings close back up. *Shrug* On the original topic, causing physical harm to one's self to presumably please one's deity is not a monopoly held by Islam among world religions...
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« Reply #24 on: September 11, 2019, 03:08:25 PM » |
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FGM is a common practice done to the little girls by islam followers.
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« Reply #25 on: September 11, 2019, 03:12:35 PM » |
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https://www.everydayhealth.com/news/health-benefits-of-circumcision/and it has been proven the best time to do it is eight days after birth, exactly what the bible states.
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« Reply #27 on: September 12, 2019, 03:11:26 AM » |
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While I understand that many religions do rituals that seem barbaric its the only one that endorses killing, murder, violence, and the of lying. It is a law a form of governance and takes over the countries it inhabits by this law that is not religion, but a form of government. Its not only the radicals since they are the ones that follow what is written in their book, but it is in their book as endorsed to do these things, this is what they are taught to do. This ceremony is for, thousands of Shia worshipers who take part in the ceremonies, performed to mourn the death of Husayn ibn Ali, a grandson of the Prophet Muhammad. Now if you say that other religions have done some pretty bad things, I will agree. But the difference, its not written and endorsed in their book. Another religion does endorse blood letting among humans as a act of worship, satanic worship. The funny part is, I wish many were as devoted to their religion as the Muslims are. Not a bad people, but a bad religion. Circumcision was for the cleanliness and preservation of a people not only a sign. In reality the act of circumcision is not demanded and not important in the New Testament either. You can be a Christian and still not be circumcised. Pro 8:36 "But he who sins against me injures himself; All those who hate me love death." Elusive Al Qaeda Leader Zawahri Marks 9/11 Anniversary By Calling On Jihadists To Attack US, Israel CNN’s 9/11 Message: Right Wingers Are America’s Deadliest Terrorists https://twitter.com/BlazeTV/status/1171830331902758912/video/1Pence: ‘The American People Will Never Forget Or Ever Fail To Be Inspired By The Courage Of The Men And Women Of Flight 93’
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« Reply #28 on: September 12, 2019, 06:01:43 AM » |
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While I understand that many religions do rituals that seem barbaric its the only one that endorses killing, murder, violence, and the of lying. It is a law a form of governance and takes over the countries it inhabits by this law that is not religion, but a form of government. Its not only the radicals since they are the ones that follow what is written in their book, but it is in their book as endorsed to do these things, this is what they are taught to do. This ceremony is for, thousands of Shia worshipers who take part in the ceremonies, performed to mourn the death of Husayn ibn Ali, a grandson of the Prophet Muhammad. Now if you say that other religions have done some pretty bad things, I will agree. But the difference, its not written and endorsed in their book. Another religion does endorse blood letting among humans as a act of worship, satanic worship. The funny part is, I wish many were as devoted to their religion as the Muslims are. Not a bad people, but a bad religion. Circumcision was for the cleanliness and preservation of a people not only a sign. In reality the act of circumcision is not demanded and not important in the New Testament either. You can be a Christian and still not be circumcised. Pro 8:36 "But he who sins against me injures himself; All those who hate me love death." Elusive Al Qaeda Leader Zawahri Marks 9/11 Anniversary By Calling On Jihadists To Attack US, Israel CNN’s 9/11 Message: Right Wingers Are America’s Deadliest Terrorists https://twitter.com/BlazeTV/status/1171830331902758912/video/1Pence: ‘The American People Will Never Forget Or Ever Fail To Be Inspired By The Courage Of The Men And Women Of Flight 93’ and san fransico just passed a decree that the NRA and its members are terrorists.
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