Flags at Half Staff

[Willow]

Flags are at half staff today to commemorate an awful event that took place eighteen years ago.

 Are we so thick that we don't see that is giving the evil terrorists exactly what they wanted to accomplish?  Grieving is right and should be done but it should last for a limited amount of time and then life should move forward to demonstrate that life didn't stop as a result of the loss.

Each time we harken back to what was wrongfully done we add publicity to the notoriety of those evil people.

Perhaps rather than grieving each year we should acknowledge the event annually by knocking down a couple of their towers.   

[Moonshot_1]

Flags are at half staff today to commemorate an awful event that took place eighteen years ago.

 Are we so thick that we don't see that is giving the evil terrorists exactly what they wanted to accomplish?  Grieving is right and should be done but it should last for a limited amount of time and then life should move forward to demonstrate that life didn't stop as a result of the loss.

Each time we harken back to what was wrongfully done we add publicity to the notoriety of those evil people.

Perhaps rather than grieving each year we should acknowledge the event annually by knocking down a couple of their towers.   

Life has gone on. I see the lowering of the Flag now not as a sign of grief but a reminder of the integrity and heroics of those among us that run to the catastrophes and dangers that befall us. This is to Honor those who served in that capacity and perished that day and the weeks that followed.

The institution of Firefighters, LEOs, and First Responders earned it that day.

And to vow to never forget what those terrorist bastards did.

I don't see it as grief. It is now never ending rage. It is best the evil people see that

 

[Willow]

I will accept that on my research it appears many now view a half staff flag shows a memorial with respect.  Traditionally in the U.S. it has indicated a state of national mourning.

Either way though, in my opinion, it gives the perpetrators reason to point and say, "Look what we did."

I'll leave room for folks to disagree but those are my thoughts.

[Detn8er]

I will accept that on my research it appears many now view a half staff flag shows a memorial with respect.  Traditionally in the U.S. it has indicated a state of national mourning.

Either way though, in my opinion, it gives the perpetrators reason to point and say, "Look what we did."

I'll leave room for folks to disagree but those are my thoughts.

I agree with this Willer Feller.

[The emperor has no clothes]

I will accept that on my research it appears many now view a half staff flag shows a memorial with respect.  Traditionally in the U.S. it has indicated a state of national mourning.

Either way though, in my opinion, it gives the perpetrators reason to point and say, "Look what we did."

I'll leave room for folks to disagree but those are my thoughts.

I assume by the term perpetrators, you are speaking in general terms. I think most of the perpetrators were killed or later imprisoned. I'm not sure their goal was to later be able to gloat about what they did, but more along the lines of frightening us into shrinking from our freedoms and our will to advance freedoms to others. They may have had some success in this. Time will tell.
 I am more disheartened in the realization that many of us have no sense of the day at all. I interacted with maybe a hundred fellow employees and customers today. NOT ONE WAS MINDFUL OF THE EVENT ! I realize people are busy doing their thing shopping and such. But, damn ! I woke up this morning thinking about how that day unfolded for me 18 years ago and wanted to hear from others how it was for them. Not a peep.  
 As to your original thought of not lowering the flag anymore. I have no problem with that. It does seem to diminish the act when we just go thru the motions of lowering it every year.

[RP#62]

I though this was a great speech and may even be educational for some.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ww2DonT1NqQ

-RP

[Rams]

Flags are at half staff today to commemorate an awful event that took place eighteen years ago.

 Are we so thick that we don't see that is giving the evil terrorists exactly what they wanted to accomplish?  Grieving is right and should be done but it should last for a limited amount of time and then life should move forward to demonstrate that life didn't stop as a result of the loss.

Each time we harken back to what was wrongfully done we add publicity to the notoriety of those evil people.

Perhaps rather than grieving each year we should acknowledge the event annually by knocking down a couple of their towers.   

Everything I have ever read has indicated that lowering the flag to half staff was to honor someone, I guess one could consider that also as mourning but, that is not the way I view a flag at half staff/mast.   So, I have no issue with honoring those who lost their lives 9/11 or honoring those First Responders/LEOs/Firefighters and military who have given all to stop terrorism in it's tracks.   But, having said that, I also have no issue with your last suggestion.   

Rams

[Serk]

I'd be okay with replacing the lowering of flags to half mast with a MASSIVE Haka.....

Gotta love the way the Kiwis pay respect.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHPmthohWz8

[Skinhead]

I will accept that on my research it appears many now view a half staff flag shows a memorial with respect.  Traditionally in the U.S. it has indicated a state of national mourning.

Either way though, in my opinion, it gives the perpetrators reason to point and say, "Look what we did."

I'll leave room for folks to disagree but those are my thoughts.

I agree with this Willer Feller.

+1.  And I like his plan, annual tower destruction, it could be a lottery to decide the lucky tower selected for flattening.

[Skinhead]

Let us also remember that 4 that were lost on this date in Benghazi due to the criminal acts of one Hillary Clinton.  I can't believe she still walks the streets a free woman. 

[Robert]

The real act or purpose was meant to strike terror, an emotional state into people. It is like in all wars the demoralization of your enemy and making them shrink back from the fight.

We as a nation and personally did neither.

I am proud of our nation of the people who live here and the determination in their spirits to move forward. In religion events are memorialized in order to remember the event, otherwise as many have noted people forget.

We as a nation and individuals pulled together to help one another. No where was this seen more in the loving and awesome acts of self denial in New Yorkers pitching in and helping one another. My hats off to the NY firefigthers who risked life and limb to go above and beyond the call of duty to help those in need. Its in these crisis that people show much of what they are made of, not in times of good.

We have forgotten much of our history, we have forgotten much of how and why this nation was built and built on, maybe its about time we find and celebrate the ability of this nation and its people to take a hit, and take it back to the enemy, so our youngsters will have something to be proud of and not repeat it in the future.

Those who do not learn history are doomed to repeat it.

I find it a day to remember those that were lost, a day to remember the fact that we can always see evil find a home somewhere no matter how big and bad you are. A day to remember how fragile we as people, as a nation really are and events that take place to change the direction of countries. To thank God that we are truly blessed to be able to take this and go on with our lives and the things we all do daily.

The terrorists did NOT accomplish what they wanted, just like in Pearl Harbor the Japanese did not accomplish what they wanted either. Life and the US as a whole goes on a lead player on the world stage.

            "I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve."

While some may say this was only in a movie and not said by Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto it reflects a spirit a pride and power that in unity the US people can accomplish anything they set their minds to.

We are truly blessed as a people and a country.

[Detn8er]

Let us also remember that 4 that were lost on this date in Benghazi due to the criminal acts of one Hillary Clinton.  I can't believe she still walks the streets a free woman. 

I also agree with this Skinthead feller..... 

[Rams]

Have been thinking about this issue.  Not just flags at half staff/mast but, memorials in general.

If flags at half staff/mast are reminders to the enemy of what they accomplished, are memorials such as the USS Arizona, the Viet Nam Wall, Civil War Battle Field Memorials and Marines raising the flag on Iwo Jima in the same category?   Doesn't seem like that much of a stretch to me.  Just food for thought.

That thought does not keep me from agreeing on taking out towers and villages of those who kill Americans.   Yeah, payback can be a bitch.

Rams

[Willow]

Have been thinking about this issue.  Not just flags at half staff/mast but, memorials in general.

If flags at half staff/mast are reminders to the enemy of what they accomplished, are memorials such as the USS Arizona, the Viet Nam Wall, Civil War Battle Field Memorials and Marines raising the flag on Iwo Jima in the same category?   Doesn't seem like that much of a stretch to me.  Just food for thought.
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Your error is that you insist on viewing an action in terms of what it means to you.  What it means to the enemy or the rest of the world may be different.

Comparison to those monuments should be done keeping in mind that we are still at war with the people who knocked down the WTC towers.  What was done after that defeat was (is) celebration worthy.  The dropping of the towers was a defeat.  

I do want to honor those who served at the disaster but I am reluctant to give more recognition to the terrorists.

 

[Rams]

Have been thinking about this issue.  Not just flags at half staff/mast but, memorials in general.

If flags at half staff/mast are reminders to the enemy of what they accomplished, are memorials such as the USS Arizona, the Viet Nam Wall, Civil War Battle Field Memorials and Marines raising the flag on Iwo Jima in the same category?   Doesn't seem like that much of a stretch to me.  Just food for thought.
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Your error is that you insist on viewing an action in terms of what it means to you.  What it means to the enemy or the rest of the world may be different.

What you state as my error is also true of your own position.   The rest of the world and the enemy may not agree with your views..    Some may regret they ever started this.   Not all admittedly, extremist rarely admit they were wrong.
No hard feelings over this, just considering alternative trains of thought.

I still agree with taking out any enemy and all that they associate with if, they contributed to killing any American.   With that, I'll leave this alone.   Be safe out there, there's some folks who think they own the entire road and use it that way.

Rams

[Moonshot_1]

Have been thinking about this issue.  Not just flags at half staff/mast but, memorials in general.

If flags at half staff/mast are reminders to the enemy of what they accomplished, are memorials such as the USS Arizona, the Viet Nam Wall, Civil War Battle Field Memorials and Marines raising the flag on Iwo Jima in the same category?   Doesn't seem like that much of a stretch to me.  Just food for thought.
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Your error is that you insist on viewing an action in terms of what it means to you.  What it means to the enemy or the rest of the world may be different.

Comparison to those monuments should be done keeping in mind that we are still at war with the people who knocked down the WTC towers.  What was done after that defeat was (is) celebration worthy.  The dropping of the towers was a defeat.  

I do want to honor those who served at the disaster but I am reluctant to give more recognition to the terrorists.

 

Perhaps such "recognition" tempers their desire to continue the severity and pace of such attacks. Maybe no "recognition" would encourage our enemies to seek even greater and more severe and deadly attacks.

I am fairly certain such attacks have been and currently being, planned.

Won't discuss such things on a public forum but I can come up with some scenarios, reasonably easy to accomplish, that would make 9-11 pale in comparison.

[old2soon]

            As most of y'all know I am a PGR Ride Captain here in Missouri. I've watched a lot of Flag foldings and Flag presentations to the Loved ones of the decease. More than once I've been the R C I C. I generally go to which ever family member has been presented The Flag. As a Former Service Member we were taught about Respect for The Flag and those who died defending That Flag. Before I say something to whoever is holding The Flag I come to attention and Salute The Flag kneel and say what I say stand back uo at Attention and Salute The Flag again and depart back to The Flag Line. IMHO 9-11-2001 A LOT of innocent people were thrust into the line of fire with out even an understanding of what had befallen them. Again-IMHO those folks Deserve the Same Recognition as those that wear of have worn a U S of A Uniform and have served or have died for Our Country-The United States of America. Those Americans that died That Day had NO SAY in the matter. They have my Respect and I WILL Salute their memories. Lowering The Flag to half staff is NOT a sign of weakness. It's a sign to our Sworn enemies that your time on this planet is limited and we will find you and we will eliminate you. Taking out some "stuff" that might mean something to these mooslims Might be a start but eliminating them makes more sense to me. RIDE SAFE.

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My post was deleted. Oh well. No surprise.

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I still have the $10.

[Calboy]

My post was deleted. Oh well. No surprise.

Same here. No surprise either. The Patriot Act has many faces and this is one of them.
People only do what they know. Just like old dogs...