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da prez
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« on: November 12, 2019, 12:42:34 PM »

Contacted me when I posted trailer hitches for sale.
I asked for a down stroke to help cover costs.
 I received one down payment and 12 promises.
 I had hitches made after contacting everyone by e-mail furnished to me.
 I have hitches on the shelf waiting to be shipped to whom ever. If there is one left before Inzane, I will donate it for a raffle.  The ad is still in the classified.

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« Reply #1 on: November 12, 2019, 02:47:16 PM »

 I hear ya Ross. I have sold a lot of stuff on Facebook marketplace. More times then I can count I have had some ask "is this still available ". I answer yes it is. Then crickets. If you're asking about its availability you're interested right? Evidently not. 

 I was selling some Valkyrie parts for a friend that doesn't do FB. I was selling a original set of Hondaline engine gap covers for a fair price of $100 + $10 shipping. The first guy interested was local. Made an appointment to buy. He never showed. I gave him another chance still no show. Sent a message to the next guy interested. He proceeds to low ball me 20 bucks less then I was asking with me paying shipping. I said no. After a back and forth including a insult he said he would take them at my price. That would be a very hard NO.  I ended up selling to another guy from NV at full price. I am so sick and tired of this kind of crap...
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« Reply #2 on: November 12, 2019, 03:37:52 PM »

            Good ole boy in Texas told me a long time back-money talks B S walks! RIDE SAFE.
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« Reply #3 on: November 13, 2019, 07:57:06 AM »

OK, gonna step out and put my sales seminar hat on.

The fact is, if you, as a salesman, have sold to the public for awhile you know this:  folks who say "I'll be back" WON'T.  80-90% of the time.  It's a lie they say just to assuage you and end the call. After all they don't want the confrontation or negativity but leave it on a positive note and let you learn later the "be-back" was BS, when they are offline. They know they won't be back and so should you - on the average.  In sales - the public lies a lot.  (Sometimes I think "do you REALLY think I believe you" and want to say "Can I take that promise to the bank?")  This is why experienced sales folk provide an incentive to buy it now - they know this is their only chance to sell it, on the average.  If the "buyer" declines the HUGE incentive and still says "I'll be back" - well he just proved the lie.  Sometimes he wants to mull it over, or he is comparison shopping, or needs to discuss it with the wife.  So rarely he may call back, if your talk was overall positive or you won out on the comparison.  But on the average - no.  I would prefer the "buyer" is honest and not finish with the BB lie as it's insulting.  I don't hard sell and close hard though I know how to, and used to be a sales manager / trainer / speaker, have sold to the public most of my life.  Since I don't push the sale hard howzabout a return courtesy and don't lie, I'm thinkin.  (Though a small % will call back, just maybe not a lie.)  I don't NEED to raise the closing averages.  I just take it as part of the game.  I know my work and reputation speaks for itself, been doing this a long time with no negative reports, and consider the questions, discussion and time "wasted" as part of the game.  Much of it is folks have questions even though I try to be thorough on the web site, questions remain.  Sales folk are not going to close everybody.  Or even a high percentage. It's part of the package of sales.  But there are ways to raise the numbers, as I used to teach in direct sales orgs.  I prefer to not push in my community - I am an enthusiast and these are friends so keep it lowball is my M.O.

If the buyer puts money down - unrefundable, generally - then he is serious, the sale is closed, and it's time to get to work / get ready to deliver it.  No money, well it's just a nice conversation but not a sale.  The first one to put money on it, is the buyer.  If you want to say you'll hold it for maybe a day if he has a valid reason not to close the deal then - well that's a judgement for you, knowing it may cost you the sale to one who is ready to put money on it, especially if you have only one to sell.

Some of the most aggressive sales closing methods are taught and used in the car sales arena.  If one really wants to learn this field, that's the place to find it.  I find it rather repulsive, myself.  Seems there are some really unethical methods and people inhabited there.

In a related vein, I had a contractor ask me, "what's your budget" when I asked for an estimate to do some work on the house.  I told him, we aren't working from there.  Your job is to tell me what you need to do the job as I outlined, and you may get the job if you're competitive and impress me.  Then he whined about wasting his time coming up with the estimate.  I said I'm not giving you a carte blanche for the job.  Told him "you've been watching too many reality TV shows."  I said what do you need.  He gave me a stupidly inflated range, WAY ABOVE reasonable.  I said I was born, but it wasn't yesterday.  Not my first day at the rodeo.  I was once a home improvement consultant. Yeah he did waste his time by not giving me a genuine estimate.  He's the brother of a friend - the only reason he actually got the opportunity to bid.  After he showed how he conducts business - saying having to bid is a waste of his time; expecting to close everybody - he lost the sale for those reasons and expecting to build to a figure I quote instead of saying what my job spec costs from him.  He needs to expect not to sell everybody and losing some sales is part of the game.

Here's another interesting angle on questionable sales methods.  We have an electrical contractor in our area who is selling estimates.  Call them to come out and estimate any electrical job.  They will quote an outrageous price and if you're ignorent enough to buy it - they actually have to get to work.  But most folks - including me - know about what it should cost and say "that's outrageous".  "OK then here's your bill for the estimate cost - $35."  They go around on a route and have collected a couple hundred dollars at the end of the day for nothing.  Example - $2500 to connect a 240v line between the main panel and install the sub panel in the garage.  The cable already in place.  2nd example - $2000 to install a panel with a whole-house breaker before the main panel.  3rd example - $2000 to run power to a hot tub.  First one - my partner who was also a general contractor did it for me in exchange for a GPS unit - plus he threw in a 17" high end computer monitor.  Second one - I did it myself with about $150 in parts from Home Depot, calling the power company to cut the power from the transformer for a few hours.  Took me a partial day and it was a first-time project.  Probably 2 hours of skilled work.  3rd example - another HONEST local electrician did it for $150.  Took me awhile but I figured out their game.  They have impressive advertising.  And proved to me that Home Advisor isn't worth their salt.  The perps - Candlelight Electric.  Posted a bad review of them at Angie's List.

Enthusiast's hat back on.

BTW Russ, not aimed at you.  Just my reflections on this thread's direction so far, and from my life's experiences.
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« Reply #4 on: November 13, 2019, 08:32:15 AM »

Mark , appreciate the feedback.  This isn't my first rodeo
  I have sold a lot of hitches. It's on me for having them made , but I had a down stroke and a commitment. I do not have 15 hitches on the shelf. I had to do a minimum order. I had to keep my word to a member. The rest will be sold , tho it may take a while.

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« Reply #5 on: November 13, 2019, 11:43:53 AM »

The fact is, if you have dealt with the public for awhile you know this:  folks who say "I'll be back" WON'T.  80-90% of the time.  It's a LIE they say just to assuage you and end the call. After all they don't want the confrontation or negativity but leave it on a positive note.  They know they won't be back and so should you - on the average.  In sales - the public lies a LOT.  This is why experienced sales folk provide an incentive to buy it now - they know this is their only chance to sell it, on the average.  Sometimes they want to mull it over, or they are comparison shopping, or need to discuss it with the wife.  So rarely they may call back, if your talk was overall positive or you won out on the comparison.  But on the average - no.  I don't hard sell and close hard though I know how to, and used to be a sales manager / trainer / speaker, have sold to the public most of my life.  I don't NEED to raise the closing averages.  I just take it as part of the game.  I know my work and rep. speaks for itself and consider the questions, discussion and time "wasted" as part of the game.  You're not going to close everybody.  Or even a high percentage. It's part of the package of sales.

They put money down - unrefundable, generally - then they are serious, the sale is closed, and it's time to get to work / get ready to deliver it.  No money, well it's just a nice conversation but not a sale.  The first one to put money on it, is the buyer.  If you want to say you'll hold it for maybe a day if they have a valid reason not to close the deal then - well that's a judgement for you, knowing it may cost you the sale to one who is ready to put money on it, especially if it's the only one.

In a related vein, I had a contractor ask me, "what's your budget" when I asked for an estimate to do some work on the house.  I told him, we aren't working from there.  Your job is to tell me what you need to do the job as I outlined, and you may get the job if you're competitive and impress me.  Then he whined about wasting his time coming up with the estimate.  I said I'm not giving you a carte blanche for the job.  Told him "you've been watching too many reality TV shows."  I said what do you need.  He gave me a stupidly inflated range, WAY ABOVE reasonable.  I said I was born, but it wasn't yesterday.  Not my first day at the rodeo.  I was once a home improvement consultant. Yeah he did waste his time by not giving me a genuine estimate.  He's the brother of a friend - the only reason he actually got the opportunity to bid.  After he showed how he conducts business - saying having to bid is a waste of his time; expecting to close everybody - I didn't want him working for me.

I sold Pontiac back in 1988-90.  It was a crappy business back then.  People would walk in with Consumer Reports magazine under their arm and demand the price the magazine said the dealer pays for the car.  All of a sudden there was some rule that the dealer was supposed to be a local warehouse for the factory.  My boss used to tell customers to go buy the car from the magazine.  It was insanity back then.  I can't imagine what it's like to sell a car today.  The internet tells you what the invoice prices are, true car tells you what other customers paid, out of state dealers shipping everywhere, and the customer is very well educated.

Having been in the business, I tried and liked going through Truecar.  I put the exact car I wanted in, and offers came to me.  I took the best offer from a dealer about 20 miles away to the local Dodge guy and he wouldn't match it, so I drove the 20 miles and that dealer didn't have the car, but ordered me the exact car I wanted and agreed to the Truecar Green Line Price.  It was over $4,000 off of MSRP PLUS another $3,000 in factory incentives.  Took 8 weeks from ordering till delivery, and Trucar sent me a $500 coupon while I was waiting and the dealer applied it to the deal.  I was incredibley happy with the whole experience.

But...... the second time I used Trucar to buy my wifes CRV, it didn't go so easy.  Found the car at the local dealer, had everything she wanted.  The dealer contacted me with the price which was great.  When we sat down to do the deal, the salesman added prep fees, paperwork fees, etc.  I told him NOPE, not paying any of that.  Reminded him that they agreed to the Truecar green line price, which is where he started from and added all the fees.  Got up to leave twice before they agreed.  Then after they agreed, they hit us hard and fast with the aftersale.  Said NO to it all.  When we left, we were exhausted and went to the diner for coffee and to relax.

We'll see what happens this time.  I'm presently looking for a new car and when I figure out which make/model/trim I'm gonna try Truecar again.  Still trying to get that first high back!   Cheesy



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« Reply #6 on: November 13, 2019, 12:02:38 PM »

Historically, I'd rather be kicked in the nuts with a steel toe boot than talk with any car salesman.

My last (probably very last vehicle) truck-buy went so great I couldn't believe it.   First, my brother knew the new Dodge dealer owner personally, and had walked in three new sales over the preceding year.  Second, my salesman was just out of military service and two sandbox tours in combat.  I got no hard sell, no BS, and he went to work and found multiple ways to save me money (two I'd never heard of).  And I told him up front I did not want to have the after-sale pitch by the warranty and extra department, and he said that was fine.  I never buy warranties or extras.  

I started out expecting to get pissed off and walk out any minute (and didn't really need a new vehicle).

I ended up getting a (perfect) 9 month old demo with 800 miles on it for $11K off the sticker.  I still can't believe it.  It was the best Twilight Zone episode I ever experienced.   Wink

They keep offering me specials on oil changes and such (email), and I called the guy up and asked if they would come down to VA (from MI) to do the work.  He laughed.

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