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« on: November 18, 2019, 03:48:28 PM »

I did not know that the attorney general was such a constitutional scholar.

There is a federalist society that is mostly made up of attorneys.

If you have followed my threads (or not) you may recall I speak occasionally about the Federalist Papers.

They were a collection of essays published before the 2nd Continental Congress by Hamilton and other
great thinkers of the day.

The problem was the central government was too weak. States could not be taken seriously by other nations. What to do?


England had its monarchy and was just starting its parliamentary experiments  Over in France  the parliament was the opposite.

Our founding fathers recognized that we need one person in charge to run a war, running the country and we also needed a parliament and a court system

There was real fear that the government as in Europe would just grow and grow and the checks and balances would be needed

This is an hour long but a terrific true recital of why things are the way they are.
I have said before I thought Trump should have ignored the 9th Circuit when it said Injunction as it is outside their power and force SCOTUS to decide  He took the high road and we are the worse for it

https://www.c-span.org/video/?466450-1/attorney-general-barr-federalist-society-convention

Here is a highlight for those who cant spare the time

https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4830582/user-clip-bill-barr-resistance
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« Reply #1 on: November 18, 2019, 04:12:03 PM »

This is really awesome and leaves no doubt that he is going after the resistance in a big way. His speech gives hope to every American that knows just how far out of check our system currently is. It should also give pause for thought to those who would support the resistance and opposition of this president that has gone on since his taking office. To the point of this battle actually being destructive to our established system of government and way of life.

 cooldude cooldude cooldude

Same speech Oss mentioned on You Tube

"It Is The Left That Is Shredding Norms, Undermining The Rule Of Law"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=556&v=8NdbANrjFWE&feature=emb_logo

Text here:
https://www.justice.gov/opa/speech/attorney-general-william-p-barr-delivers-19th-annual-barbara-k-olson-memorial-lecture

Excerpts here:

Immediately after President Trump won election, opponents inaugurated what they called ‘the Resistance,’ and they rallied around an explicit strategy of using every tool and maneuver available to sabotage the functioning of his administration.  Now, ‘resistance’ is the language used to describe insurgency against rule imposed by an occupying military power. It obviously connotes that the government is not legitimate. This is a very dangerous — indeed incendiary — notion to import into the politics of a democratic republic.  What it means is that, instead of viewing themselves as the “loyal opposition,” as opposing parties have done in the past, they essentially see themselves as engaged in a war to cripple, by any means necessary, a duly elected government.

In recent years, both the Legislative and Judicial branches have been responsible for encroaching on the Presidency’s constitutional authority.  

For these reasons, conservatives tend to have more scruples over their political tactics and rarely feel that the ends justify the means.  And this is as it should be, but there is no getting around the fact that this puts conservatives at a disadvantage when facing progressive holy far, especially when doing so under the weight of a hyper-partisan media.

In essence, the Court has taken the rules that govern our domestic criminal justice process and carried them over and superimposed them on the Nation’s activities when it is engaged in armed conflict with foreign enemies.  This rides roughshod over a fundamental distinction that is integral to the Constitution and integral to the role played by the President in our system.

It is no exaggeration to say that virtually every major policy of the Trump Administration has been subjected to immediate freezing by the lower courts.  No other President has been subjected to such sustained efforts to debilitate his policy agenda.

The legal flaws underlying nationwide injunctions are myriad.  Just to summarize briefly, nationwide injunctions have no foundation in courts’ Article III jurisdiction or traditional equitable powers; they radically inflate the role of district judges, allowing any one of more than 600 individuals to singlehandedly freeze a policy nationwide, a power that no single appellate judge or Justice can accomplish; they foreclose percolation and reasoned debate among lower courts, often requiring the Supreme Court to decide complex legal issues in an emergency posture with limited briefing; they enable transparent forum shopping, which saps public confidence in the integrity of the judiciary; and they displace the settled mechanisms for aggregate litigation of genuinely nationwide claims, such as Rule 23 class actions.

The Supreme Court finally heard argument on the legality of the DACA rescission.  The Court will not likely decide the case until next summer, meaning that President Trump will have spent almost his entire first term enforcing President Obama’s signature immigration policy, even though that policy is discretionary and half the Supreme Court concluded that a legally indistinguishable policy was unlawful.  That is not how our democratic system is supposed to work.

The Constitution does not confer “rights” on foreign enemies. Rather the Constitution is designed to maximize the government’s efficiency to achieve victory – even at the cost of “collateral damage” that would be unacceptable in the domestic realm.

 The idea that the judiciary acts as a neutral check on the political branches to protect foreign enemies from our government is insane.
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« Reply #2 on: November 18, 2019, 05:31:16 PM »

Bully for AG Barr.

Some very important and accurate rational discussion where you hear so little in Sodom on the Potomac anymore.

Where does the US Constitution give 93 US District Courts with 673 District Court judges the right to order nationwide injunctions against the executive branch of government? 

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« Reply #3 on: November 19, 2019, 03:56:36 AM »

Indeed Jess

And IMHO history will record this decade as a turning point if and when SCOTUS rules against the judiciary usurpation of the executive powers.

This is why appointing justices who believe in the Constitution as written is so important.

This administration will have the opportunity to push through if my prayers are answered and SCOTUS restores balance again to our system of government

When either party can behave as if an election means nothing then all is lost.  The words "loyal opposition" describe the relationship of Reagan and O'Neil showing work of the people can be done if each does not treat the other as rabid dogs - the enemy

We need to clean everyone out of both Houses and replace them with people who are not children, and roll their salaries back to minimum wage and get rid of their pensions for 2 yrs part time service

Congress must not be the meal ticket to millions, it should be a higher calling to serve as those in our military serve
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« Reply #4 on: November 19, 2019, 04:23:20 AM »

Many already know the implications of the actions taken by this admin to restore the government back to it original design, so the opposition needs the impeachment hearings and such. Any malaise these groups can throw against the wall to stop this admin from completing not only its promises but restoring the rule of law is desperate attempts to control and redefine government and laws in a way that is favorable to them.

  This new move is not redefining of rules, as has gone on for years in this country, but a restoration to founding principles of this country. What I find sadly surprising is there are many that dont see the end games on the plans being played out and blindly follow the media. It would be nice for the US as a whole to wake up to the understanding of the consequences of the actions on either plan.

More and more you see the people waking up but there is still a long way to go. One by one you see the ropes of the corruption being cut and begin to see just how deep and far reaching this support structure was.

I would say that without this restoration that we would have been lost as a country.
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« Reply #5 on: November 19, 2019, 05:57:25 AM »

I watched his entire lecture. Very good lecture.
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« Reply #6 on: November 19, 2019, 06:58:03 AM »

If you look back over our country's history, the trend to date has been an expansion of Executive branch power, at the expense of (mostly) the legislative branch. There has also been a growing trend for the Judiciary branch to "legislate from the bench" - again, at the expense of the legislative branch.
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« Reply #7 on: November 19, 2019, 07:30:03 AM »

i believe that its because the legislative branch doesn't legislate anymore. whoever is in power is met with opposition, no matter what it is. i know that that is an exaggeration, but it is what it seems.
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« Reply #8 on: November 19, 2019, 07:31:11 AM »

Federalist wine isn't too shabby tho...  Roll Eyes

https://www.federalistwines.com

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« Reply #9 on: November 19, 2019, 12:06:39 PM »

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We need to clean everyone out of both Houses and replace them with people who are not children, and roll their salaries back to minimum wage and get rid of their pensions for 2 yrs part time service

Congress must not be the meal ticket to millions, it should be a higher calling to serve as those in our military serve

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« Reply #10 on: November 19, 2019, 05:17:44 PM »

Minimum wage might be too little - I'd say roughly the payscale of a military O-3 (unless they have prior service) should be about right (considering the cost of living in the DC Metro area).
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