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For all his proclaiming about being a "stable genius" - Trump was a big idiot on how he handled the investigation. ONE of the 2 charges can be directly laid upon his orders to WhiteHouse staff to not respond to the Congressional subpeonas.
IMO, the other one doesn't rise to the level of removing him from office. Maybe a censure vote, but that's about it.
If I was a Republican senator, I'd have a tough time justifying a vote to remove Trump from office.
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« Reply #1 on: December 11, 2019, 05:52:03 AM » |
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Outside the P.A. rally https://twitter.com/wsteaks/status/1204485117168611328/video/1Not such an idiot either, the charges are not based on anything. So if Trump responds he give credence and justification to a false proceeding. Even down to possibly giving the dems something to really proceed on. This is dead once it gets to the Senate and soon if all goes well we will see some going to jail. All this was known already, how it would proceed what the dems would do. Why was it so important that the Senate remain firmly in the Republicans side. On another note, IF this is unsubstantiated, which was proven, and it proceeds anyway then it could be treason and a attempt to use the law to overthrow a duly elected president. Just like they tried when he was elected, just like they tried in the Mueller report and just like they are doing NOW. There is already evidence and the IG report that says pretty much its a political power grab. When does the democratic party be held accountable for NOT allowing a duly elected president proceed in office doing his daily duties unaccosted by them? This has never been done in the history of the US presidency, and who actually looses, the voter, the voter of either party since it will be repeated again if it is not exposed for what it is. A way to change the will of the voters and to try to NOT allow a sitting president to run for a second term. NBC’s Katy Tur admits that this is “one of the biggest rallies I’ve ever seen” This definitely isn’t gonna air.. https://twitter.com/TrumpJew/status/1204517228726685697/video/1AG William Barr blasts 'completely irresponsible press' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEJcAzgRIhI&feature=emb_logoPelosi Admits Democrats Have Been Bent On Impeachment For Over 2 ½ Years https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIOqj67tnnE&feature=emb_logoCruz: IG report shows Obama admin's stunning abuse of power https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7Q9kTeNRJg&feature=emb_logoDemocrat Impeachment Lawyer Admits Joe Biden Guilty of Quid Pro Quo in Ukraine https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2&v=euYY1zSpnT0&feature=emb_logo |
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“Some people see things that are and ask, Why? Some people dream of things that never were and ask, Why not? Some people have to go to work and don’t have time for all that.”
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« Reply #3 on: December 11, 2019, 06:52:48 AM » |
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Exactly correct. Every President in my lifetime has claimed executive privilege for one matter or another. The court is the arborator. Should the President then not comply it is a different matter. Or you could do what Andy Jackson did and tell the court to bring your army. Or like Lincoln did and suspend Habius Corpus. Obstruction of Congress is not even a set forth crime, it was made up. It is quite clear who the real obstructers are. Mark Levin mentioned several others last Sunday, including Washington and FDR, in his one hour interview with acclaimed life long liberal Allen Dershowitz. |
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« Reply #5 on: December 11, 2019, 06:58:58 AM » |
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The impeachment was at best a fishing expedition and at worse an attempt to improve the chances of a Democrat wining the White House in 2020. The IG report has shown Schiff to be a liar and Brennen to be a liar and guilty of living to Congress. It’s a slow process but over the coming months we are going to see at least some of the “deep state” activities of the past 3 and 1/2 years.
I hope Durham doesn’t have any ire on Hilliary, I’d hate to see him Epsteined!
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« Reply #6 on: December 11, 2019, 07:39:24 AM » |
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Full Interview: Barr Criticizes Inspector General Report On The Russia Investigation | NBC News https://youtu.be/LRKFo0JmuBcReally good and fully laid out, no hype at all. |
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“Some people see things that are and ask, Why? Some people dream of things that never were and ask, Why not? Some people have to go to work and don’t have time for all that.”
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« Reply #7 on: December 11, 2019, 08:44:20 AM » |
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Exactly correct. Every President in my lifetime has claimed executive privilege for one matter or another. The court is the arborator. Should the President then not comply it is a different matter. Or you could do what Andy Jackson did and tell the court to bring your army. Or like Lincoln did and suspend Habius Corpus. Obstruction of Congress is not even a set forth crime, it was made up. It is quite clear who the real obstructers are. Mark Levin mentioned several others last Sunday, including Washington and FDR, in his one hour interview with acclaimed life long liberal Allen Dershowitz. The claim of “Executive Privilege” has not been invoked. It has been a blanket order by Trump for no one to testify. As to the claim that Obstruction of Congress is not a crime, that would be dead wrong. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contempt_of_Congress |
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« Reply #8 on: December 11, 2019, 08:56:11 AM » |
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I say bring back tar and feathering.... and not for the President.
This very remedy for multiple democrats in Richmond has been discussed with enthusiasm here in VA in multiple counties passing Second Amendment Sanctuaries.
62 out of 95 counties, 9 out of 38 independent cities, and 8 towns have adopted Second Amendment sanctuary resolutions, so far. One Sheriff says he will deputize as many county residents as necessary for assistance.
They haven't added the tar and feathering to their formal resolutions, yet.
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« Reply #9 on: December 11, 2019, 09:28:44 AM » |
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Exactly correct. Every President in my lifetime has claimed executive privilege for one matter or another. The court is the arborator. Should the President then not comply it is a different matter. Or you could do what Andy Jackson did and tell the court to bring your army. Or like Lincoln did and suspend Habius Corpus. Obstruction of Congress is not even a set forth crime, it was made up. It is quite clear who the real obstructers are. Mark Levin mentioned several others last Sunday, including Washington and FDR, in his one hour interview with acclaimed life long liberal Allen Dershowitz. The claim of “Executive Privilege” has not been invoked. It has been a blanket order by Trump for no one to testify. As to the claim that Obstruction of Congress is not a crime, that would be dead wrong. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contempt_of_CongressThere is no crime labeled as Obstuction of Congress. https://www.quora.com/Is-obstruction-of-Congress-a-real-crimeAs also stated by many real legal scholars I have heard over the past few months, including Allen Dershowitz. The Republicans held Eric Holder in Contempt over the Fast and Furious scandal early in this decade, which was pretty much meaningless as they have little power to make it mean anything more than a demerit. |
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« Reply #10 on: December 11, 2019, 09:53:48 AM » |
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Never ask a geek 'Why?',just nod your head and slowly back away...  IBA# 22107 VRCC# 7976 VRCCDS# 226 1998 Valkyrie Standard 2008 Gold Wing Taxation is theft. μολὼν λαβέ |
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« Reply #11 on: December 11, 2019, 10:27:55 AM » |
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Exactly correct. Every President in my lifetime has claimed executive privilege for one matter or another. The court is the arborator. Should the President then not comply it is a different matter. Or you could do what Andy Jackson did and tell the court to bring your army. Or like Lincoln did and suspend Habius Corpus. Obstruction of Congress is not even a set forth crime, it was made up. It is quite clear who the real obstructers are. Mark Levin mentioned several others last Sunday, including Washington and FDR, in his one hour interview with acclaimed life long liberal Allen Dershowitz. The claim of “Executive Privilege” has not been invoked. It has been a blanket order by Trump for no one to testify. As to the claim that Obstruction of Congress is not a crime, that would be dead wrong. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contempt_of_CongressThere is no crime labeled as Obstuction of Congress. https://www.quora.com/Is-obstruction-of-Congress-a-real-crimeAs also stated by many real legal scholars I have heard over the past few months, including Allen Dershowitz. The Republicans held Eric Holder in Contempt over the Fast and Furious scandal early in this decade, which was pretty much meaningless as they have little power to make it mean anything more than a demerit. There is also no crime labeled as “stealing from Walmart”. Doesn’t make it any less of a crime though. |
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« Reply #12 on: December 11, 2019, 10:59:14 AM » |
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To the Democrat Voters...
Denial is NOT a life strategy...Period!
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« Reply #13 on: December 11, 2019, 11:03:16 AM » |
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This thread will get ugly pretty fast...  I'm an engineer, not a lawyer. But I recall that this country was founded on the idea that *no one is above the law*. Mr. Trump already said last July that he 'can do whatever I want as president'. GOP has proved his point. If you or me ignored a subpoena, we would end up in jail. |
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« Reply #14 on: December 11, 2019, 11:25:15 AM » |
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This thread will get ugly pretty fast... I'm an engineer, not a lawyer. But I recall that this country was founded on the idea that *no one is above the law*. Mr. Trump already said last July that he 'can do whatever I want as president'. GOP has proved his point. If you or me ignored a subpoena, we would end up in jail. And I remember Obama saying "I have a pen and a phone" meaning he could do whatever he wanted but you were probably OK with that, right? I also remember there were a few people ignoring subpoenas during the IRS scandal hearing. Lois Learner pled the fifth. But let me guess,you didn't have a problem with that either did you? Since they were targeting conservatives after all. Nothing to see here,move along. It was proven then that subpoenas mean nothing to Congress so why should it make a difference now. Oh that's right the Democrats are above the law. They can do what they want. They proved that the previous eight years and they cotinue to do so. Oh also having the media on your side doesn't hurt either...... |
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« Reply #15 on: December 11, 2019, 11:28:48 AM » |
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And I remember Obama saying "I have a pen and a phone" meaning he could do whatever he wanted but you were probably OK with that, right? [/quote] Nope. |
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« Reply #16 on: December 11, 2019, 11:33:43 AM » |
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This thread will get ugly pretty fast... I'm an engineer, not a lawyer. But I recall that this country was founded on the idea that *no one is above the law*. Mr. Trump already said last July that he 'can do whatever I want as president'. GOP has proved his point. If you or me ignored a subpoena, we would end up in jail.A subpoena from a US (or State) Court..... or a subpoena from Congress? Because the law is not the same with respect to Congressional subpoenas issued to our National Executive branch (and President). https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-congress-subpoena-explainer/explainer-how-powerful-are-congress-subpoenas-contempt-citations-idUSKCN1S81FPThe executive branch can tell Congress to go pound sand, unless Congress goes to a courthouse and gets enforcement there, where both sides can get full due process, unlike a one-sided Kangaroo-court Congressional subpoena (and it's no crime or misdemeanor to make them do that either). Ginsburg just held up Trump's tax records from disclosure (as the TDS dirtheads are resorting to the courts for enforcement of that particular fishing expedition horsesh!t). (Will wonders never cease.. regarding Ginsburg?) Part of the separation of powers doctrine. |
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« Reply #17 on: December 11, 2019, 11:38:53 AM » |
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This thread will get ugly pretty fast... I'm an engineer, not a lawyer. But I recall that this country was founded on the idea that *no one is above the law*. Mr. Trump already said last July that he 'can do whatever I want as president'. GOP has proved his point. If you or me ignored a subpoena, we would end up in jail. I keep hearing that no one is above the law, and I want to believe that is true, but then I think about what would happen to me if I deleted thousands of emails after they were requested by congress, or if I as a legal US citizen were to get caught breaking any one of a number of laws and contrast that with how certain other groups are treated. Maybe we should just say no republicans are above the law. -RP |
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« Reply #18 on: December 11, 2019, 11:57:17 AM » |
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I posed this question to the Democrats on the board several months ago, but never received a single reply: Are you comfortable with the direction your party is moving? Do you support banning fossil fuels, like the gasoline our Valkyries run on, in less than 12 years from now? Or killing a newborn baby after a 'discussion' with the mother?
How about eliminating all private health insurance, so that your only choice is a government run system? Or eliminating all border enforcement so anyone, from anywhere, may enter the country and vote, and receive all the benefits citizens do? How about the confiscation of firearms?
Full disclosure: I used to be a democrat myself. I was a volunteer for McGovern, and later for the Gary Hart senate campaign. Then I held a government job for 7 years and got to see how the dems run things. I couldn't believe the waste, and the entitlement mentality was everywhere. After Carter became president I couldn't take any more. But like Ronald Reagan said, I didn't leave the Democrat party. The party left me.
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« Reply #19 on: December 11, 2019, 12:38:45 PM » |
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Dave, I hate to admit I campaigned for McGovern myself (the year MI voted for segregationist George Wallace on the Republican presidential ticket). I was 18. Going door to door that year, was actually risky business and I was threatened with bodily harm, called a good many nasty names and doors slammed in my face. It was a learning experience. It didn't take me as long as you to switch sides. I never called myself a Democrat, I was just against Wallace that year.
I liked Curtis Lemay the VP candidate that year with Wallace. He knew how to end wars as quickly as possible, and I'm still in favor of that.
I was solidly with Goldwater (against Johnson) in 1964, but was only 11.
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« Reply #20 on: December 11, 2019, 01:03:34 PM » |
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I say bring back tar and feathering.... and not for the President.
This very remedy for multiple democrats in Richmond has been discussed with enthusiasm here in VA in multiple counties passing Second Amendment Sanctuaries.
62 out of 95 counties, 9 out of 38 independent cities, and 8 towns have adopted Second Amendment sanctuary resolutions, so far. One Sheriff says he will deputize as many county residents as necessary for assistance.
They haven't added the tar and feathering to their formal resolutions, yet.
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« Reply #21 on: December 11, 2019, 01:57:50 PM » |
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I say bring back tar and feathering.... and not for the President.
This very remedy for multiple democrats in Richmond has been discussed with enthusiasm here in VA in multiple counties passing Second Amendment Sanctuaries.
62 out of 95 counties, 9 out of 38 independent cities, and 8 towns have adopted Second Amendment sanctuary resolutions, so far. One Sheriff says he will deputize as many county residents as necessary for assistance.
They haven't added the tar and feathering to their formal resolutions, yet.
I was wondering how that was going in Virginia. Glad to see that people with common sense are going to fight the idiots in Richmond. We're all expecting a red flag law and universal background checks on private sales (and all the BS that comes with it, like being a felon to loan your brother or dad a firearm if he needs it), but the real pre-legislation fight and strong push-back is over banning and/or attempted registration of semiauto firearms. |
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« Reply #22 on: December 11, 2019, 01:59:15 PM » |
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This impeachment process is a complete waste of time and therefore money. The House will probably impeach him. So what. The Senate will not sustain the House vote meaning nothing happens, Mr Trump remains in the White House. No President has been removed and it won't happen now. Our Congress should be doing their job, there are far more important things they should be doing. This is the most useless congress we have had.
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« Reply #23 on: December 11, 2019, 02:41:32 PM » |
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This impeachment process is a complete waste of time and therefore money. The House will probably impeach him. So what. The Senate will not sustain the House vote meaning nothing happens, Mr Trump remains in the White House. No President has been removed and it won't happen now. Our Congress should be doing their job, there are far more important things they should be doing. This is the most useless congress we have had.
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« Reply #24 on: December 11, 2019, 02:45:40 PM » |
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For the record
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A huge Humphrey supporter
Congress has zero business in what POTUS does
And neither do district courts. Only election or high crime
Can you imagine if fdr had to deal with this crap
You would be speaking German
I would never have been born
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« Reply #25 on: December 11, 2019, 03:00:17 PM » |
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This impeachment process is a complete waste of time and therefore money. The House will probably impeach him. So what. The Senate will not sustain the House vote meaning nothing happens, Mr Trump remains in the White House. No President has been removed and it won't happen now. Our Congress should be doing their job, there are far more important things they should be doing. This is the most useless congress we have had.
Tell McConnell to get to work on the 400 or so bills that the House has sent to the Senate. I seem to recall VIVIDLY all of the complaints about Harry Reed sporting a rather large collection of bills and even using a few to balance his wobbley desk. Funny how these things are only problems when the other guys do it.  I can't wait until the next Democrat President goes through his impeachment process. I italicized "his" because this will be the way of the future. Don't like the guy, impeach. Can't wait for the Left's outrage. |
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« Reply #26 on: December 11, 2019, 03:08:47 PM » |
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This impeachment process is a complete waste of time and therefore money. The House will probably impeach him. So what. The Senate will not sustain the House vote meaning nothing happens, Mr Trump remains in the White House. No President has been removed and it won't happen now. Our Congress should be doing their job, there are far more important things they should be doing. This is the most useless congress we have had.
Tell McConnell to get to work on the 400 or so bills that the House has sent to the Senate. As of Nov 1st according to Axios there are 250 bills NOT 400. A simple Google search would have found that. Not saying it's right either way just making an observation. So tell me how soon do you think the Senate will get to it now they have deal with the do nothing Dems and the witch hunt of impeachment. Plus how well do you think the Democrat candidates are going to do when all the senator's running for president are forced to stay in DC to deal with the impeachment trial. They got what they wished for but I think it's going to come back and bite them in the butt. That last part is going to be hilarious.....just saying.... |
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« Reply #27 on: December 11, 2019, 03:27:31 PM » |
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Read it and weep. https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/12/the-articles-of-impeachment-are-very-weak/As noted over the weekend, I had to correct myself when writing that the impeachment inquiry that led to this point was a “rush to judgment.” The judgment was made long ago. The president has been Impeached Man Walking for “The Resistance” since before he took the oath of office. The House proceedings have been a matter of rushing the process until it catches up to a judgment of three years’ standing. |
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For the record
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Congress has zero business in what POTUS does
And neither do district courts. Only election or high crime
Can you imagine if fdr had to deal with this crap
You would be speaking German
I would never have been born
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per Wikipedia ; The Supreme Court of the United States has confirmed the oversight powers of Congress, subject to constitutional safeguards for civil liberties, on several occasions. In 1927, for instance, the Court found that in investigating the administration of the Justice Department, Congress had the authority to consider a subject "on which legislation could be had or would be materially aided by the information which the investigation was calculated to elicit".[4] |
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« Reply #29 on: December 11, 2019, 05:15:04 PM » |
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Should I go out on a limb and predict that Trump will finish this first term, probably even get re-elected ? I think it would be a safe bet....
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« Reply #30 on: December 11, 2019, 06:52:20 PM » |
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Should I go out on a limb and predict that Trump will finish this first term, probably even get re-elected ? I think it would be a safe bet....
finish term yes, re-elected probably not. I would not bet on it, although not much out there good running against him, but I think the general public has had enough of his bullying techniques, time for a change. |
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« Reply #31 on: December 11, 2019, 07:48:01 PM » |
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NO, IT'S NOT.
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This thread will get ugly pretty fast... I'm an engineer, not a lawyer. But I recall that this country was founded on the idea that *no one is above the law*. Mr. Trump already said last July that he 'can do whatever I want as president'. GOP has proved his point. If you or me ignored a subpoena, we would end up in jail. Obama told Congress to pound sand when they subpoenaed records on fast and furious. I bet you never demanded his impeachment, did you? |
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Maybe in such a divide by the House and Senate some who throw out the 400 bills number should look at what actually has been done and what the bills are proposing. The other consideration is that Majority Leader Mitch McConnell is prioritizing confirming judges over passing bills. Something that absolutely needed to be done to stop the pointless and frivolous suits brought by liberals over things like illegals. It more than hampered Trump from passing good legislation and stopping or postponing orders penned by Trump. I bet it burned that it was Ginsberg that stopped the access to Trumps tax returns. Of the 400 bills also 70 have passed and been signed into law also. But with the seemingly socialist agenda of the Dems its not hard to understand why the bills written would require serious reworking. As an example, Pelosi laid out eight major bills that Democrats had passed that were being stalled by the GOP-run Senate, Axios reported. Among them, they included a bill to make background checks mandatory on all gun sales, reauthorization for the Violence Against Women Act, and a bill to raise the minimum wage. Also if the dems felt that the president was not responding or taking seriously their subpoenas they could have pursued other legal avenues that would force the issue to be heard. But they did not do that, and its no secret why, because they have NO grounds for impeachment and therefore the case would be thrown out, essentially stopping this kangaroo court. The Republicans and the president said to go for it which they did not do and Pelosi backed down. Essentially an admission that they know there is nothing. Why oh why are the dems not so hot over the lies on the FISA report, Biden and his son in Ukraine a proven Quid quo pro situation, Comey, Brennen, serious breaches of our laws. Facts, I can say boldly since the IG report came out on the hijacking and subversion of the US election process and the wiretapping of an candidate and president. Nixon never had anywhere near this in Watergate yet we don't hear a peep from those who don't like Trump. Regardless of view it diminishes the lefts holier than thou attitude on Trump, to a third rate grumbling at best. Part 1: IG Report, FISA Court, and the Road Ahead https://youtu.be/6r20shE_RtUPart 2: IG Report, FISA Court, and the Road Ahead https://youtu.be/Q6h2pktnzmcGen. Tom McInerney - The Failed Deep State Coup https://youtu.be/WOvHYfiEXSgWhy was an impeachment plan already in place the day the president was elected? NO one on left has addressed that. Why did they not tell Trump that Carter Page or Popudopolus were bad eggs, which they were not? But they did tell Diane Finestien that her driver was a Chinese agent though. Because they are withholding vital Intel from a sitting president. This is also why impeachment, since this information will be brought up also, that vital intel was withheld from a president. The motives being to remove him from office since the day Hillary lost. The intel community is no less responsible for the attempted coup on the president. All of this spying, lack of Intel and defensive briefings informing a sitting president/candidate, would have to be approved by the commander and chief at the time, a fact that many gloss over. Jason Chaffetz: IG report as damning as it gets https://youtu.be/m7HgTg2LAE0Bill Priestap said I dont want to give a intel briefing to a potential Russian operative all the while having Chris Christy and Giuliani and more representing Trump that they could have talked to. So Trump never got the briefings he was supposed to have. Gowdy fills in some gaps on the Justice dept and the FBI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dUo5QiCihw |
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« Reply #34 on: December 12, 2019, 06:23:48 AM » |
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This entire shootin match goes back to when the Ds finally woke up to the FACT that hrc was NOT gonna be POTUS. She had after all been the supposed anointed one. They who had anointed her missed. Just a guess here but like lemmings will the libs and Ds throw themselves off of cliffs or explode when President Donald Trump IS Reelected? Hope springs eternal in this old farts chest!  RIDE SAFE. |
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« Reply #35 on: December 12, 2019, 06:55:09 AM » |
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When you look back at Nixon's record, it's a little surprising that the dems tried to impeach him. Here are a few of his accomplishments: - He founded the EPA and passed the Clean Air and Clean Water Acts.
- He ended the military draft.
- He ended the Vietnam War about as gracefully as possible considering the circumstances.
- The voting age was lowered from 21 to 18.
- He was the first president to visit and have diplomatic ties with Communist China.
Those were progressive achievements by any measure. You'd think the dems would have been thrilled with an agenda like that. But they hated him almost as much as they now hate Trump. Maybe there's a lesson here. Trump could give his entire fortune to liberal causes, end all immigration enforcement, and appoint Al Sharpton as HUD Secretary, but the left would still hate him. The Trump haters I know are driven by their emotions. They refuse to discuss serious issues like the second amendment, energy, race, or immigration. They just rant with talking points I've heard dozens of times. We live in the best times ever, in the best nation on the planet, with luxuries (like Valkyries!) our ancestors couldn't have imagined. Too bad more of us can't take a step back and appreciate what we have. |
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« Reply #36 on: December 12, 2019, 07:00:03 AM » |
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Should I go out on a limb and predict that Trump will finish this first term, probably even get re-elected ? I think it would be a safe bet....
finish term yes, re-elected probably not. I would not bet on it, although not much out there good running against him, but I think the general public has had enough of his bullying techniques, time for a change. He will finish his term. The impeachment won't get past the Senate. My prediction is he wins in a landslide and the house goes back to the GOP. So what he's a bully. I don't know about you cookie but I would much rather have a "bully" that makes other countries leaders pay their fare share then one who bows to them and apologizes for America like Obama did. Bottom line the economy is booming. Record unemployment across the board. More people are working now then have ever before. EVER. More people are off of welfare and food stamps then during Obama's administration. Not long ago during a dem debate ALL not one or two, but ALL of the candidates raised their hands when asked if they would give FREE Healthcare to illegals. Does that concern you? It concerns me. Especially since Obamacare was forced onto us we were fined for not buying healthcare. Trump may be brash. He may be a "bully". He tweets to much but he IS doing what we voted him in to do. He IS getting the job done even with the do nothing democrats on his back..... |
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« Reply #37 on: December 12, 2019, 07:05:27 AM » |
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He will be impeached, the Senate will kill that and we will have all wasted our time. He will continue to serve out his term but I don't think it's likely that he will be re-elected.
Every President is polarizing but the last two have engendered real hatred amongst people. Families arguing, internet rage... It's all because they were both extreme representations of their parties. We need a moderate. Someone who is more interested in repairing the division that has cropped up in this country than in his/her own self-aggrandizement.
With a President who appeals to the extreme side of their party and a congress that leans extremely the other way, nothing ever gets done except for pisssing contests.
The whole concept of rabid loyalty to a particular party baffles me. Parties are meaningless. It's about ideals. The extreme right wants to bring back the wild west and the extreme left wants to enact Orwell's "1984" Both ideas suck.
My ideal President: A person who is loyal to a vision of the greater good. Who is not loyal to any particular party, rather their loyalty lies with the people they serve. Someone who understands that strength and humbleness are not mutually exclusive.
That person is not Donald Trump. That person is not any of the Democratic candidates so far either. We shall see.
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« Reply #38 on: December 12, 2019, 07:10:59 AM » |
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Mad6gun : “Not long ago during a dem debate ALL not one or two, but ALL of the candidates raised their hands when asked if they would give FREE Healthcare to illegals.“
Maybe that’s what you saw on Facebook or Fox News, but it’s incorrect. (Did you watch the debate ?)
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