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carolinarider09
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« on: January 04, 2020, 11:50:39 AM »

Just got a mailer today from the Million Veteran Program.  They want me to join, fill out a survey and then have a short meeting where they will take some blood samples. 

It appears to be a legit program but it appears the blood samples are for getting DNA.  And yes I know my DNA is probably already out there somewhere but still....

So, have any of you veterans enrolled in the program? 

What are your thoughts on the program, if you have been contacted.

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« Reply #1 on: January 04, 2020, 12:21:21 PM »

         Have to check my mail when I git back to the ShoMe. Should I have something from them I'll let ya know! T I A fer da heads up. RIDE SAFE.
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Jess from VA
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« Reply #2 on: January 04, 2020, 12:24:55 PM »

First I've heard of it.

Looked it up (briefly) and didn't see any big downside.

I am not enrolled in the VA health care system (or service connected for anything).

Sounds like a worthy project (though I am always concerned they have extra money to do something like this when many still complain about long adjudication times and difficulty being seen and treated).

I am in no DNA data base to my knowledge, and I'm not ever gonna volunteer to be in one.  I'm not a criminal, but I'm never going to help or assist the G come after me for anything.

George Orwell might wonder if they discover some of us are somehow genetically inferior (or prone to X), that someday they might insist we get on the bus to ..... somewhere.  (probably not in my lifetime, but I might go another 35 years, miracles do happen)  My moderate distrust of all governments is not without good reason.
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« Reply #3 on: January 04, 2020, 12:53:41 PM »

The continued discoveries of tomorrow rely on Veteran partnership today.

MVP research is already helping to make a difference in areas such as:


Mental illnesses like PTSD and depression
Joining MVP involves allowing access to health records, providing a small blood sample, and answering surveys about health and lifestyle.


Now my words.

My tinfoil hat slipped and made me think of "gun control".
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ridingron
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« Reply #4 on: January 04, 2020, 06:33:30 PM »

I'm not a Veteran. 

You're home, hopefully safe and sound. Why would they need your blood and/or DNA now?
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carolinarider09
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« Reply #5 on: January 04, 2020, 07:27:15 PM »

I'm not a Veteran. 

You're home, hopefully safe and sound. Why would they need your blood and/or DNA now?

If I read the pamphlet right they appear to want to take your blood for DNA and then maybe use that as a way to predict physical outcomes from injuries or maybe even to predict your response to certain actions.

I will have to do some research and see what started the program.  That would be interesting.
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Jess from VA
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« Reply #6 on: January 04, 2020, 07:40:09 PM »

Most big medical studies today are based more on statistical analysis, than any kind of direct cause and effect scientific proof.  (Probably all kinds of studies do this now).

So you get a million or two veteran medical records, DNA samples, and answered questionnaires, and dump it all in a big database, and then you can say that PTSD (or whatever) is more prevalent in this DNA type (and other things) than others.

VA (for veteran pay and medical treatment) presumes whole laundry lists of diseases result from radiation exposure (nuke weapons, accidents, storage or propulsion), or asbestos exposure (mostly shipyards and ships), or herbicide (agent orange) exposure.  The vast majority of these legal presumptions are entirely based on statistical studies, with no direct medical proof that A actually causes B at all.  (And while I've never seen the actual numbers, I know that these presumptions are based on rather small percentages, not huge statistical anomalies)

Of the entire list of diseases presumed by VA to be causally related to herbicide exposure*, only the skin diseases of porphyria cutanea tarda (extreme sun sensitivity) (PCT) and Chloracne are known and proven to result from physical exposure to herbicide agents, and they have to show up to a degree of 10 percent disabling within one year after actual exposure for service connection to be granted.  All the other diseases presumed by VA to be related to herbicide exposure are based solely on statistical studies.

Statistical studies are certainly relevant, but I find it amazing that the big medical institutions like the National Institutes of Health, VA, CDC, with all their technology, expertise and big funding have never been able to actually provide simple proof that A causes B in so many things.

If you develop any other disease on this extensive list (besides PCT or Chloracne), at any time after service (like 50 years later), if you were exposed to herbicide agent during service (set foot in Vietnam for one minute changing planes, or at other listed locations at certain times), then it is presumed your exposure caused that disease for VA pay and medical treatment coverage.  It's pretty generous (and liberal).

Interestingly, one minute on the ground in Vietnam will presume exposure, but a full tour on a Naval vessel in Yankee Station will not do it.  B-52 pilots flying over Vietnam are also out.

*   https://www.publichealth.va.gov/exposures/agentorange/conditions/index.asp

And Agent Orange was never orange in color.

The other interesting thing (to me) is this:  In the whole world of left and right polarized politics, I cannot think of one other area where both sides strongly advocate for veteran's benefits, care and coverage, survivors benefits, education benefits, burial, and VA guaranteed loans.

Apparently neither side finds anything to gain in a .... lets screw the Veterans platform.

They even got together and created an entirely new Federal Court for Veterans appeals.

Not that Veterans don't deserve their Country's gratitude, but it seems unique in American politics.  

 
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carolinarider09
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« Reply #7 on: January 05, 2020, 07:20:52 AM »

Darn good write up Jess and something I have believed for a long time but I have never been as involved in the process as you have.

I suspect, if I were to look, its a matter of "money".  And it would be more interesting to see how the Million Veteran Program was initiated. 
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carolinarider09
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« Reply #8 on: January 05, 2020, 07:46:59 AM »

Regarding the "money" - here is a quote from a VA Blog.  It is funded by the VA.

https://www.blogs.va.gov/VAntage/58187/vietnam-veteran-continues-proud-serve-va-mvp/

"The Million Veteran Program is a national, voluntary research program funded entirely by the Department of Veterans Affairs Office of Research & Development. The goal of MVP is to partner with Veterans to study how genes affect health. In order to do this, MVP will establish one of the largest databases of genetic, military exposure, lifestyle, and health information. Research findings based on MVP may lead to new ways of preventing and treating illnesses in Veterans. Veterans—and in fact all Americans—stand to benefit greatly as researchers learn more about the effects of genes on health. Screening, diagnosis, and treatment for some illnesses—such as some forms of cancer—have already been improved through knowledge about the effects of certain genes. MVP will lead to new knowledge about which genes put people at risk for certain diseases, and which ones affect how people respond to treatment. This knowledge may eventually lead to better treatments and preventive measures for many diseases, including common illnesses such as heart disease, diabetes, and cancer. For more information about this program, contact the MVP Information Center toll-free at 866-441-6075."

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Newstart2k
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« Reply #9 on: January 06, 2020, 06:45:02 AM »

Sounds like baseline data collection for the DARPA MBA project to me.

From the project description:

"Because an individual’s genetic code — or genotype — does not translate directly into phenotypes, DARPA requires MBA researchers to do far more than decode the genome. The MBA teams led by GE, under principal investigator Dr. Azar Alizadeh, and IHMC, under principal investigator Dr. Tim Broderick, are working backwards from observed measurements of military training among high performing troops to characterize relevant phenotypes across a range of specializations. After identifying phenotypes, they will work to elucidate the current black boxes of human biology known as gene expression circuits, which are the molecular mechanisms by which genotype translates into phenotypes; expression circuits are made up of epigenetic, transcriptomic, proteomic, metabolomic, and other systems that have major impacts on performance and resilience. The teams will also attempt to identify one or more measurable biomarker for each circuit, determine the rates at which those biomarkers change, and build novel sensors to measure changes in real time."

What better way than to back feed data from previous members and then cross reference that data to performance.

Just my guess.
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