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It was definitely an on board malfunction or an engine fire.
It probably was pilot error.
After satellite imagery.............. OK, we foked up.
And BTW, the act of launching two missiles was certainly intentional. A mistake yes, unintentional no.
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[/quote] Neither does Intelligence and education. Just because someone holds a piece of paper stating their education does not make that person smart. ... [/quote]
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« Reply #42 on: January 11, 2020, 05:19:20 AM » |
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Its now been admitted, they did it and blamed on human error.
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Just heard a report that there was a 22 year old American college student on board too.
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iran must be run by democrats-they blamin President Trump for the airliner gittin shot down. Make of that what you will. I KNOW our democrats have and Will continue blamin President Trump. Ah hellz bellz add this to the impeachment charges. RIDE SAFE. |
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They have already started clearing the impact site using BULLDOZERS!!!
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Loony left blaming Trump for the actions of a country blowing an airliner out of their sky.
US. Representative Jackie Speier (D-Calif.) claimed Thursday that President Donald Trump could be to blame for the fatal crash of a Ukraine passenger jet in Iran on Wednesday, due to "collateral damage" caused by his "provocative" killing of Iranian General Qassem Soleimani.
Speier made the remarks during an interview with CNN's Wolf Blitzer, on the Thursday edition of his show The Situation Room. The congresswoman confirmed that she had heard classified details concerning the claim by U.S. officials that the plane was accidentally brought down by an Iranian anti-aircraft missile strike. She insisted Trump would be responsible for the crash if the claim proves to be true.
Pete Buttigieg blamed President Donald Trump for the downed Ukrainian passenger jet over Iran on Wednesday night.
“Innocent civilians are now dead because they were caught in the middle of an unnecessary and unwanted military tit for tat,” Buttigieg tweeted.
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Doesn't iran use russian supplied weapons? Then blame the russkies if iran uses russky weapons. RIDE SAFE.
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Doesn't iran use russian supplied weapons? Then blame the russkies if iran uses russky weapons. RIDE SAFE.
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Doesn't iran use russian supplied weapons? Then blame the russkies if iran uses russky weapons. RIDE SAFE.
Actually, I think they still have a fair amount of American jets from the shah days. I doubt they’d be much competition for our guys though. I doubt if many are operational since we also haven't supplied them with parts since the shah days. They don't really need them though with all the goodies they were able to buy with their Obama money. -RP |
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Doesn't iran use russian supplied weapons? Then blame the russkies if iran uses russky weapons. RIDE SAFE.
Actually, I think they still have a fair amount of American jets from the shah days. I doubt they’d be much competition for our guys though. I doubt if many are operational since we also haven't supplied them with parts since the shah days. They don't really need them though with all the goodies they were able to buy with their Obama money. -RP They way I heard it years ago was that we wouldn't sell them the radar for those planes, along with repair parts. And please stop spreading the lie about the money returned to the Iranians. It was their money, it was always their money. A simple Google search will explain it completely. It's not hard to find. Just another of his lies. https://apnews.com/f53aeebcb0f64b76a2e2a54b2b002dad |
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Doesn't iran use russian supplied weapons? Then blame the russkies if iran uses russky weapons. RIDE SAFE.
Actually, I think they still have a fair amount of American jets from the shah days. I doubt they’d be much competition for our guys though. I doubt if many are operational since we also haven't supplied them with parts since the shah days. They don't really need them though with all the goodies they were able to buy with their Obama money. -RP They way I heard it years ago was that we wouldn't sell them the radar for those planes, along with repair parts. And please stop spreading the lie about the money returned to the Iranians. It was their money, it was always their money. A simple Google search will explain it completely. It's not hard to find. Just another of his lies. https://apnews.com/f53aeebcb0f64b76a2e2a54b2b002dadDid it have to be given if the administration knew it would be used for......................... https://www.cnn.com/2016/01/21/politics/john-kerry-money-iran-sanctions-terrorism/index.html |
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Doesn't iran use russian supplied weapons? Then blame the russkies if iran uses russky weapons. RIDE SAFE.
Actually, I think they still have a fair amount of American jets from the shah days. I doubt they’d be much competition for our guys though. I doubt if many are operational since we also haven't supplied them with parts since the shah days. They don't really need them though with all the goodies they were able to buy with their Obama money. -RP They way I heard it years ago was that we wouldn't sell them the radar for those planes, along with repair parts. And please stop spreading the lie about the money returned to the Iranians. It was their money, it was always their money. A simple Google search will explain it completely. It's not hard to find. Just another of his lies. https://apnews.com/f53aeebcb0f64b76a2e2a54b2b002dadwow but its ok for police to use civil forfeiture to take money from innocent people and never give it back? but its ok for a rogue president to give money back to terrorists who would kill Baldo in a heart beat if Baldo didn't accept Islam and praise Allah. remember obama violated the State Sponsors of Terrorism rules by giving that money to his muslim brothers. yes he did say he would put them first over americans. |
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Doesn't iran use russian supplied weapons? Then blame the russkies if iran uses russky weapons. RIDE SAFE.
Actually, I think they still have a fair amount of American jets from the shah days. I doubt they’d be much competition for our guys though. I doubt if many are operational since we also haven't supplied them with parts since the shah days. They don't really need them though with all the goodies they were able to buy with their Obama money. -RP They way I heard it years ago was that we wouldn't sell them the radar for those planes, along with repair parts. And please stop spreading the lie about the money returned to the Iranians. It was their money, it was always their money. A simple Google search will explain it completely. It's not hard to find. Just another of his lies. https://apnews.com/f53aeebcb0f64b76a2e2a54b2b002dadwow but its ok for police to use civil forfeiture to take money from innocent people and never give it back? but its ok for a rogue president to give money back to terrorists who would kill Baldo in a heart beat if Baldo didn't accept Islam and praise Allah. remember obama violated the State Sponsors of Terrorism rules by giving that money to his muslim brothers. yes he did say he would put them first over americans. This is worth a read. https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-08-19/president-obama-violated-law-his-ransom-payment-iran |
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[/quote] This is worth a read. https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-08-19/president-obama-violated-law-his-ransom-payment-iran[/quote] I was just going to post that. he should be in jail By his own account, President Obama engaged in the complex cash transfer in order to end-run sanctions that prohibit the U.S. from having “a banking relationship with Iran.” The point of the sanctions is not to prevent banking with Iran; it is to prevent Iran from getting value from or through our financial system — the banking prohibition is a corollary. And the point of sanctions, if you happen to be the president of the United States sworn to execute the laws faithfully, is to follow them — not pat yourself on the back for keeping them in place while you willfully evade them. The president’s press conference is better understood as a confession than an explanation. Oh, and there is also Section 560.701, which makes clear that willful violations of the regulations constitute serious felony offenses under federal criminal law — punishable by up to 20 years’ imprisonment. |
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Doesn't iran use russian supplied weapons? Then blame the russkies if iran uses russky weapons. RIDE SAFE.
Actually, I think they still have a fair amount of American jets from the shah days. I doubt they’d be much competition for our guys though. I doubt if many are operational since we also haven't supplied them with parts since the shah days. They don't really need them though with all the goodies they were able to buy with their Obama money. -RP They way I heard it years ago was that we wouldn't sell them the radar for those planes, along with repair parts. And please stop spreading the lie about the money returned to the Iranians. It was their money, it was always their money. A simple Google search will explain it completely. It's not hard to find. Just another of his lies. https://apnews.com/f53aeebcb0f64b76a2e2a54b2b002dad Oh yeah nothing suspicious on sending cash on a palet on a plane in the middle of the night. Oh and right after our sailors were taken hostage by Iran. Hmmm. Anyone else call BS on Baldo's post? I don't give a flying f@#k if like you say it was their money. Why in the hell would he give it back. To hell with them. |
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Actually, I think they still have a fair amount of American jets from the shah days. I doubt they’d be much competition for our guys though. I doubt if many are operational since we also haven't supplied them with parts since the shah days. They don't really need them though with all the goodies they were able to buy with their Obama money. -RP They way I heard it years ago was that we wouldn't sell them the radar for those planes, along with repair parts. And please stop spreading the lie about the money returned to the Iranians. It was their money, it was always their money. A simple Google search will explain it completely. It's not hard to find. Just another of his lies. https://apnews.com/f53aeebcb0f64b76a2e2a54b2b002dad Oh yeah nothing suspicious on sending cash on a palet on a plane in the middle of the night. Oh and right after our sailors were taken hostage by Iran. Hmmm. Anyone else call BS on Baldo's post? I don't give a flying f@#k if like you say it was their money. Why in the hell would he give it back. To hell with them. Decades ago we agreed to settle the matter in arbitration at the International court in Hague. The Iranians had a pretty good case to recieve 10 billion in the case. We settled the matter for 1.7 billion. This should explain it pretty well. https://time.com/4441046/400-million-iran-hostage-history/ |
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We never “owed” the Islamic Republic any money. This is a myth. In 2016, the United States was in the middle of an unresolved dispute in front of the Iran-U.S. Claims Tribunal at The Hague over cash advanced by the Shah for military equipment we refused to deliver after the 1979 revolution. You might recall, this is when Iran began prosecuting its war against the United States, taking hostages, and killing service members.
It is unlikely that U.S. would ultimately have been obligated to hand over a single deutschmark to the mullahs. For one thing, the U.S. had its own counterclaims over Iran’s many violations — which, in total, exceeded the amount supposedly “owed” to it. Obama, in his obsessive goal of placating Iran to procure a deal, unilaterally dismissed a stipulation held by the previous administration that the United States wouldn’t release funds until other court judgments held against Iran for its terrorist acts on American citizens were all resolved.https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/yes-obama-helped-fund-the-iranian-regime/
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We never “owed” the Islamic Republic any money. This is a myth. In 2016, the United States was in the middle of an unresolved dispute in front of the Iran-U.S. Claims Tribunal at The Hague over cash advanced by the Shah for military equipment we refused to deliver after the 1979 revolution. You might recall, this is when Iran began prosecuting its war against the United States, taking hostages, and killing service members.
It is unlikely that U.S. would ultimately have been obligated to hand over a single deutschmark to the mullahs. For one thing, the U.S. had its own counterclaims over Iran’s many violations — which, in total, exceeded the amount supposedly “owed” to it. Obama, in his obsessive goal of placating Iran to procure a deal, unilaterally dismissed a stipulation held by the previous administration that the United States wouldn’t release funds until other court judgments held against Iran for its terrorist acts on American citizens were all resolved.https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/yes-obama-helped-fund-the-iranian-regime/ If you send me 10k for my collection of AR-15's, then consequently you kidnap my family in Washington D.C. I don't ship you the weapons because it would aid you in your crime. I still owe you the money for non shipment. |
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You may not like him, but he is no moron. Naval Intelligence Officer, graduate of Harvard, graduate of Oxford. Do you like him? I have respect for him. I don't know if I like him. Finally a response! Beginning early last year, I've occasionally posed questions to Democrats and Trump haters such as 'do you like the direction your party is going?', or 'which presidential candidate do you support?' As a former dem myself, I'm truly curious how many of my old comrades really like what's going on in their party. This was the first reply I've seen, though "I don't know" isn't the answer I was hoping for. So my follow up question is, what has mayor Pete accomplished that has earned your respect? Finally a response ? It's curious how people bitch that I respond too much and I respond too little.  "I don't know" was and is an honest answer to your question of "do you like him". To your follow up question, "what has Mayor Pete accomplished that has earned your respect". I respect the fact that he volunteered into the US Navy and served in Afghanistan. |
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Doesn't iran use russian supplied weapons? Then blame the russkies if iran uses russky weapons. RIDE SAFE.
Actually, I think they still have a fair amount of American jets from the shah days. I doubt they’d be much competition for our guys though. I doubt if many are operational since we also haven't supplied them with parts since the shah days. They don't really need them though with all the goodies they were able to buy with their Obama money. -RP They way I heard it years ago was that we wouldn't sell them the radar for those planes, along with repair parts. And please stop spreading the lie about the money returned to the Iranians. It was their money, it was always their money. A simple Google search will explain it completely. It's not hard to find. Just another of his lies. https://apnews.com/f53aeebcb0f64b76a2e2a54b2b002dadI'm trying to figure this out. This response appears to be in support of giving money back to terrorists after all the terror they have spread. ??? I hope I'm wrong. The end result being Iran having the cash/ability to sponsor more proxy terror. Yeah, that seems like a good deal. Please enlighten me on your justification. BTW, I did serve and would do so again, even to defend liberal left Americans. Rams |
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Used to be a time when a success for America was a good thing and brought people together even those from different political perspectives. It’s amazing to me that the hatred for lack of a better word, for both Trump and Obama has divided us so effectively. I wonder if an attack on the homeland like 9-11 would be able to unite us as a country again but instead offer new points to attack one another.
The elimination of Soleimani is still up in the air as to whether it is a successful endeavor but it is shaping up that way, at least to my observation. We don’t get very many wins in the terrorist arena, why not enjoy this one. A bunch of innocent civilians died due to the aggression of the Iranian military, accident or not. More reason to not make it about Trump and Obama. While Obama wasn’t my “guy” if he had ordered the hit on Soleimani I would be just as happy with the result. The detractors who are using this for political purposes should be ashamed.
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