Coronavirus $hit be getting real

[Valkorado]

I guess since she was knowingly infected and potentially shedding the virus, she didn't quite fall into the "healthy people" category.  At least she was having a large time while doing so, because we all have been given the right to pursue happiness!  

You go, girl!  

If it can be proven in court that she intentionally put others at risk.  She should be charged with the appropriate crime.

I read the response.  I also read preceding sentence.  

"As to the question asked of whether she should be allowed to "party hardily" I believe that to be a personal choice."

Unless the party goers were made fully aware, since she was fully aware, of her positive diagnosis and the potential to infect those around her -- and maybe even given a waiver to sign -- prosecutors may very well be able to prove such intent.

Otherwise Im thinking she was kinda greedy and self centered.  And potentially criminally negligent.  Or just suffering from plain old stupidity.  

[Willow]

...
Unless the party goers were made fully aware, since she was fully aware , of her positive diagnosis and the potential to infect those around her -- and maybe even given a waiver to sign -- prosecutors may very well be able to prove such intent.
...

Interestingly it appears you've taken a position of supporting mine.  You went out of the way to point out what the prosecutors could do to prove a crime based upon knowledge and intent without regard to a law demanding that the infected person be obedient to house arrest.

Also interesting is that there has been no move to inact a law requiring a person diagnosed with influenza be required to self quarantine.

Rather than wait for you to insist that COVID-19 is not the flu I'll give you the position I have been influenced to take.  Your insistence and some reviewing of the numbers have convinced me that while COVID-19 is indeed is not the flu the two viral infection do carry many, many similarities both in their impact and measures required to avoid being infected by them.

[Valkorado]

author=Willow link=topic=109640.msg1116981#msg1116981 date=1588780918]

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Unless the party goers were made fully aware, since she was fully aware , of her positive diagnosis and the potential to infect those around her -- and maybe even given a waiver to sign -- prosecutors may very well be able to prove such intent.
...

Interestingly it appears you've taken a position of supporting mine.  You went out of the way to point out what the prosecutors could do to prove a crime based upon knowledge and intent without regard to a law demanding that the infected person be obedient to house arrest.

Also interesting is that there has been no move to inact a law requiring a person diagnosed with influenza be required to self quarantine.

Rather than wait for you to insist that COVID-19 is not the flu I'll give you the position I have been influenced to take. Your insistence and some reviewing of the numbers have convinced me that while COVID-19 is indeed is not the flu the two viral infection do carry many, many similarities both in their impact and measures required to avoid being infected by them.

OK, flu.  Someone who knows they have the flu and goes partying around others is being self-centered and or stupid.  Even considering it was their "personal choice", it was an idiotic expression of liberty.  If others at the party are unknowingly infected with the flu because they happened to be there it was just i n the cards I guess.  They should have washed their hands more.  Fools.

Should the offending person be tossed in jail?  Probably not.  But in the case of C19 some prosecutors might try.

BTW, you know my feelings.  I think our society should open up.  People should enjoy their liberties.  But they also shouldn't be idiotic when doing so.

I 'precate ya for the highlighted part above.  It was like pulling teeth!  

Still gotta reiterate that the two virii do differ somewhat in virulence, contagion, comparative knowledge and our overall understanding of flu vs. C19 and generationally passed resistances to common "flu" starans vs none to C19.  Among other things I'll dismiss.  That's why it's taken mighty seriously.  By some, anyway.

That and the fact that we could sure use a COVID vaccine sooner rather than later.  May the force with them!

[carolinarider09]

I am watching the CDC Website (link below) to see how it compares to what I hear in the media.  This is the COVID-19 death count as of May 6, 2020 from the CDC.  Remember this number when and if you watch news reports.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm

[carolinarider09]

Regarding the Flu.  From NPR in 2014

"Even If You Don't Have Symptoms, You May Still Have The Flu"

"And while doctors work on rethinking the spread of flu, Hayward says people can protect themselves by getting vaccinated and by regularly washing their hands."

Sound familiar.  And remember the "vaccine" is not 100% effective, generally 50% to 75% effective but I would have to look that up.

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2014/03/17/290878964/even-if-you-dont-have-symptoms-you-may-still-have-the-flu

[Valkorado]

Hold it, I thought CDC was full of ch!t and Fauci and Birx should be fined and jailed?

Regardless, these "numbers" are officially cited.  In the spirit of chivalry, I'll even meet you halfway.  

https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

They also use CDC numbers, among others.


How often is the dashboard information updated?
The map is maintained in near real time throughout the day through a combination of manual and automated updating. The time of the latest update is noted on the bottom of the dashboard. The GitHub database updates daily at around 11:59 p.m. UTC. Occasional maintenance can result in slower updates.

What are the sources of data informing the dashboard?
The data sources include the World Health Organization, the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the European Center for Disease Prevention and Control, the National Health Commission of the People’s Republic of China, local media reports, local health departments, and the DXY, one of the world’s largest online communities for physicians, health care professionals, pharmacies and facilities.

Why does data here differ from data on other websites?
The website relies upon publicly available data from multiple sources that do not always agree. More frequent updates of the map often result in higher case numbers than may be available from other sources that are updated less frequently.

Ya, we don't needa C19 vaccine.  It wouldn't be100% effective anyway.

[carolinarider09]

Oh I still feel if the CDC says its raining outside, I will go look and check to see if it really is and then see who is selling umbrellas. 

The point of the daily number is that the website I cited is a CDC website.  The website shown below the first one is a CDC website.  The difference (70,802 - 44,016) is 26,786.  That, depending on how you look at the calculation is a 40% difference (or 37.8%) in the number that the Center for Disease Control identifies as the number of deaths from COVID-19

What other professional group would accept a difference of 40% in "Official" numbers for a Pandemic? 

Now if you take the 44,016 number and add in the number of deaths with pneumonia and COVID-19 you get 63,469.  Still a 7,333 difference or 10% (more or less).   

And just for the record, the number of deaths from pneumonia is now 70,251 which is higher than the number for COVID-19.

So you go figure what numbers we are being given and why.   There is no excuse for this kind of disparity during a Pandemic.  None what so ever.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm


https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/cases-in-us.html

[Oss]

speaking of the toilet paper shortage (Johnny Carson)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5K9-Lz0SbrA


I did not remember that !

But I remember being able to stay awake long enough to watch the shows

[Valkorado]

speaking of the toilet paper shortage (Johnny Carson)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5K9-Lz0SbrA


I did not remember that !

But I remember being able to stay awake long enough to watch the shows

He was great!  Quick witted and fun to watch.  Leno was okay, but Johnny was a real hoot!  Thanks for the post!

[Valkorado]

I am watching the CDC Website (link below) to see how it compares to what I hear in the media.  This is the COVID-19 death count as of May 6, 2020 from the CDC.  Remember this number when and if you watch news reports.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm

This site also says,

"Death counts for earlier weeks are continually revised and may increase or decrease as new and updated death certificate data are received from the states by NCHS. COVID-19 death counts shown here may differ from other published sources, as data currently are lagged by an average of 1–2 weeks."


But I'm not here to bicker about numbers, honestly.   I'm kinda with Oss.  Let's get through this, each as they see fit, and come together as Americans to focus on making sure the right folks are at the helm of the economic rebuilding.  But stay safe!  You owe it to yourself and to others.

From what I've seen the past few years up until this "invisible enemy" struck, I have a hunch who should be Captain.  I hope that was non-political enough.  I've tried to avoid that angle the last couple years.

[Robert]

Like anything if you change one thing sometimes we dont know what other things will be affected.

 This TB number is truly disturbing, and this says nothing of how many other deaths due to other illnesses have happened due to the lock down and the stopping of services for those such as cancer treatment and other illnesses.

It also says nothing of the crime committed because they let criminals out of jail, police will not stop criminal acts along with not patrolling the roads for speeders and general fools on the roads.

The ones that recommended this should be brought up on charges. These numbers have no prediction of the financial problems that will happen because of this.

quote below:

Nearly 1.5 Million More Tuberculosis Deaths Expected Due To Corona-virus Lock downs

Since the coronavirus outbreak forced doctors and hospitals around the world to delay most other medical care to focus 100% on combating the outbreak, lapses in vaccination routines have led to the reemergence of diseases like polio and measles. Alarmed by this trend, one ER doctor and coronavirus survivor in the Bronx warned that the US might as well end its coronavirus lockdowns now due to the impending wave of ancillary health issues.

    Up to 6.3 million more people are predicted to develop TB between now and 2025 and 1.4 million more people are expected to die as cases go undiagnosed and untreated during lockdown. This will set back global efforts to end TB by five to eight years.

  
TB kills 1.5 million people a year, more than any other infectious disease.


https://www.tballiance.org/why-new-tb-drugs/global-pandemic

[carolinarider09]

We are where we are.  We need to take the country back.  Open up businesses, open up the economy.

Write the President.  Write your congressman, write your senator.  Tell them to open the country up, restore normalcy. 

When you cower in fear, when you let fear take hold, you will lose.  We will lose!

Personally I will not accept a new normal. 

This country was founded on freedom of choice, freedom of religion, freedom to assemble, all of which have be taken away by fiat. 

Albeit that fiat was based on information that was, at best, a guess and I believe done in good faith.  But now we know more.  It is time for a return, maybe even an escape. 

Many people died to give us these freedoms.  Let us remember them and what they died for: 
         
"FREEDOM".

But you say, what can I do when the government (state and local) take steps that they say are in my best interest?  You can resist.  You can speak out.  You can be vocal.   

And no, I am not advocating violence.  The spoken and written word will suffice if the numbers are great enough.  They will listen.  The worst thing you can do is to "accept a new normal".

And I give you again the FREEDOM Speech from Braveheart.  Different kind of war ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIvRkjOd1f8

[Valkorado]

From my viewpoint.  I definitely agree it's probably not the time to ponder revolution or encite violence.   Good call.
  
Things aren't quite normal right now, as much as we would like them be.  I won't resign myself to consider this a "new normal" because I'm optimistic our country will recover.  But it's currently a bit -- unusual.  For lack of a better word.  Anyone oblivious to that has been living under a large, flat rock.

I'm certainly not ashamed to admit I take some extra precautions that I wouldn't take if things were "normal".  Do I enjoy that?  No. But I'm enjoying my life.  I'm riding often now, spring winds be cursed.  Looking forward to some longer trips and pull behind trailer motorcycle camping.

I think for myself and very rarely am I buffaloed by any media.  I can read between the lines, no matter which angle media is presented from.  And nowadays there's almost always an angle.  Objective news is non-existent.

I sure don't cower in fear.  Ever.  The Most High Almighty GOD has my back 24-7-365.

Yup, life goes on in my neck of the woods.  But it sure ain't back to normal, and it won't be for quite awhile yet.  

I'm not complaining or rebelling.  I'm adjusting to an unusual, hopefully temporary normal.  

Yeah, write your reps.  Speak out.  Be vocal.  Resist.  But don't bring your gun to the state capital.  Tantrums in themselves aren't productive.  Threatening violence wouldn't forward your cause right now, it would only embolden theirs.

Things will come around.  It'll shine when it shines...  

[Robert]

Does anyone know why we have to open the economy in stages? Why we cannot say people go back to work with masks or take precautions? Government has not been able to control the diseases only control the people who may or may not get it, with no fault or help of government. 

Its like saying we cannot control the criminals but we can control the citizens so lets stop them from doing things, just like gun control.

Hey I have an idea if you test positive for 19 then have people registered like gun owners and if they do things like party then arrest them. They put you in databases for everything else.   

[_Sheffjs_]

I know I keep bringing up Sweden but once again here it is Sweden! Yes Sweden that is letting their citizens be adults on their own and the land of the what? Is doing what?  And why is the president not done with fauci (did not want to type the name correctly so I gave it a small f).

[Robert]

I know I keep bringing up Sweden but once again here it is Sweden! Yes Sweden that is letting their citizens be adults on their own and the land of the what? Is doing what?  And why is the president not done with fauci (did not want to type the name correctly so I gave it a small f).

Just a thought, if he had not done what f wanted under public pressure then he would be bad, if things dont come out right then hes still bad but can blame it on f and rebuild the way he wants, just a thought. If you had any doubt look at the post live and let die.

Or think about this,

One of Facebook’s new “content oversight board” members who will decide what information is censored by the social media giant is Pamela Karlan, a leftist who infamously made Barron Trump the punch line of a joke. Pamela S. Karlan, an American professor of law at Stanford Law School, who made her name for herself for an anti-Trump rant during the impeachment hearings.

[..]

You rely on these people being truthful???   

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQWRCECbN-Y&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR1s8K--E3yYCKa1yjB8s-9-KWwKAucAIVGGXE_5noo4RSZwVrnImuDyNI4

[..]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/travel-from-new-york-city-seeded-wave-of-us-outbreaks/ar-BB13J7Yx

[..]

Will they be wearing brown shirts and armbands?

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/victoria-taft/2020/05/06/every-one-of-them-california-begins-forcibly-quarantining-people-separating-families-over-covid-19-n388732

But it's bad to separate the families of those trying to enter the USA illegally.   

[Robert]

Will they be wearing brown shirts and armbands?

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/victoria-taft/2020/05/06/every-one-of-them-california-begins-forcibly-quarantining-people-separating-families-over-covid-19-n388732

But it's bad to separate the families of those trying to enter the USA illegally.   

Yup, good posts, I wonder if they try to seperate the families if this will be the tipping point? The lady in Texas who was arrested looks like she has many on her side including the governor who made the law.

[Valkorado]

Will they be wearing brown shirts and armbands?

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/victoria-taft/2020/05/06/every-one-of-them-california-begins-forcibly-quarantining-people-separating-families-over-covid-19-n388732

But it's bad to separate the families of those trying to enter the USA illegally.  

 

Credit where credit's due Brit.  That video is spooky, and the implications there are foreboding.  Watching...

I've mentioned we should write our government representatives to express our concerns legally.  I do think Gavin deserves to receive some mail to keep him on his toes.



The package might have to be sent locally, one day express or it could get stinky -- which would be a dead giveaway!  

[Serk]

Will they be wearing brown shirts and armbands?

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/victoria-taft/2020/05/06/every-one-of-them-california-begins-forcibly-quarantining-people-separating-families-over-covid-19-n388732

But it's bad to separate the families of those trying to enter the USA illegally.   

Yup, good posts, I wonder if they try to seperate the families if this will be the tipping point? The lady in Texas who was arrested looks like she has many on her side including the governor who made the law.

The governor this morning retroactively modified his Executive Order expressly forbidding jail as a punishment for those who break the order.

And the Texas Supreme Court just ordered her to be released.

And the drunk with power judge is up for re-election this November.

[Valkorado]

I think this is the furthest reaching emergency declaration I've seen, time wise.

https://www.montrosepress.com/news/coronavirus/county-extends-covid-19-declaration/article_c29a1c92-8fc8-11ea-8dcf-a76016a59612.html

Montrose County’s COVID-19 emergency declaration extended to Aug. 31

“Obviously, should the emergency abate prior to Aug. 31, the board would be empowered to rescind or terminate the emergency declaration, but we made it for Aug. 31 so you wouldn’t have to do this for a while.”

[..]

Hmmmmm.

https://news.trust.org/item/20200507111851-5hn6k/


To keep COVID-19 patients home, some U.S. states weigh house arrest tech

[Serk]

Hmmmmm.

https://news.trust.org/item/20200507111851-5hn6k/


To keep COVID-19 patients home, some U.S. states weigh house arrest tech

Once again Babylon Bee called it...

https://babylonbee.com/news/governor-whitmer-sends-out-imperial-probe-droids-to-catch-people-violating-lockdown

[Valkorado]

Hmmmmm.

https://news.trust.org/item/20200507111851-5hn6k/


To keep COVID-19 patients home, some U.S. states weigh house arrest tech

They might want to make better band.  If that picture is accurate, many of these will be "accidentally" left on nightstands.

No, I wouldn't be a good candidate for compliance with wearing such a fashion accessory.

[..]

Pubs in England closed until August. FFS!

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8296487/Boris-Johnsons-Covid-19-lockdown-exit-plan-explained-full.html

[Serk]

Tyrants being tyrants just because they're getting away with it....... 

https://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2020/05/07/coronavirus-update-santa-clara-county-brings-a-halt-to-car-parade-celebrations/

[..]

Tyrants being tyrants just because they're getting away with it....... 

https://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2020/05/07/coronavirus-update-santa-clara-county-brings-a-halt-to-car-parade-celebrations/

       

[..]

Have the MSM reported this???



Citizens Raise Almost $400,000 for Texas Salon Owner Jailed for Defying Lockdown

https://nationalfile.com/citizens-raise-almost-400000-for-texas-salon-owner-jailed-for-defying-lockdown/

[Valkorado]

Colorado Extends State Park Camping Ban "Until Further Notice"

https://www.westword.com/news/colorado-extends-state-park-camping-ban-until-further-notice-11705281

[Valkorado]

isn't it interesting that during the height of the fauci scare of HIV/Aids, there were no lock downs or people going to jail for infecting others including the ones that were giving blood, that is how Arthur Ash died, Yet in Cuban, all infected by HIV/Aids were put away in locked downed prison camps.

I remember the HIV/AIDS years well. The was plenty of Russian Roulette being played out there. I remember people having to sign papers before getting married, some even went as far as asking for recent bloodwork evidence when dating. People were afraid to have surgery and dental work done. People were afraid to donate blood and receive blood in emergency situations. People were afraid of toilets and bathrooms.

Did all that stop the function of society and socializing, no it didn’t. It didn’t stop IV drug users. It didn’t stop dating and promiscuity. Today it seems the fear of contracting HIV/AIDS is nonexistent. This is just my opinion of how much of the people use “dating” APP’s to hook up.

UPDATE 5/7/20

U.S. coronavirus deaths exceed 75,000: Reuters tally

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/us-coronavirus-deaths-exceed-75000-reuters-tally/ar-BB13KBF2?OCID=ansmsnnews11

The death toll is higher than any fatalities from the seasonal flu going back to 1967 and represents more U.S. deaths than during the first 10 years of the AIDS epidemic, from 1981 to 1991.

In about three (3) months.  Not flu. Not AIDS.  Not piddly.

[Willow]

The death toll is higher than any fatalities from the seasonal flu going back to 1967 and represents more U.S. deaths than during the first 10 years of the AIDS epidemic, from 1981 to 1991.

In about three (3) months.  Not flu. Not AIDS.  Not piddly.

It seems Valkorado, that you respond to any assertion that COVID-19 does not require the response and damage that has been done to an insistence that COVID-19 is not piddly.  No one (or at least very few) claimed it's piddly.  Honestly the annual flu is not piddly.  It does kill people. 

COVID-19 isn't piddly.  It is over hyped.  It certainly has been misrepresented in the models used to justify the panic that was spread.  COVID-19 does not justify that damage that's been done to the country, not by the disease but by the mitigation efforts.

Okay, you've convinced me.  Compared to the expected catastrophe that was predicted COVID-19 is piddly.   

Incidentally, multiple sources report 80,000 deaths last season from flu.  Your announcement may be just a bit premature. 

[carolinarider09]

U.S. coronavirus deaths exceed 75,000: Reuters tally

So, one wonders where MSN gets its information.  And you wonder about controls on the Web and motives.

So, lets assume Reuters.  Lets assume a bunch of stuff but lets look at the CDC.  And yes I don't trust the CDC but they are the governemt's official database and you would think that MSN and Reuters would be using that data.  So, the pictures below show the current data from the CDC on COVID-19 and the number of deaths from AIDs.

And remember the population of the USA in the time frames referred to was 200,000,000 in 1968-1969 and 220,000,000 to 250,000,000 during the 10 years of the referenced AIDs number.  

Therefore the Reuters reference to the 1968-1969 Flu Pandemic and the AIDs numbers needs to be "inflated" by 70% for the 1968-1969 number and by 40% or the AIDs number.  

Or, using the data shown in the images below (and if you want the links I can provide them but they are all CDC numbers).  

1968-1969 Flu deaths would equate to 170,000 using todays population
For the 10 year AIDs number the deaths would equal 168,000.  

Per CDC, number of deaths from COVID-19 today is either 45,632 or 73,267 (NOT 75,000, they rounded it up)

So, the fact that Reuters is using numbers that are not only incorrect but also not fully referenced based on population makes one ask the question.  WHY????????

The answer is to make sure you and I are very, very afraid and to show that we have never ever been here before.  Because if we have, then we would all be asking what did we do then and why not do it now.

Just one more point.  If you relate the numbers to population, the CORVID-19 deaths in 1968 -1969; the 75,000 number would be 43,000 and the 45,000 number would be 25,000.

You may feel free to disregard this lengthly post but all the data is correct and fully referenced and fully supports my contention that the major news agencies (AKA Main Stream Media) have an agenda.  And its not to support the continued freedoms we as Americans have known for that last 246 years and so many fought and died to keep.  

[Valkorado]

The death toll is higher than any fatalities from the seasonal flu going back to 1967 and represents more U.S. deaths than during the first 10 years of the AIDS epidemic, from 1981 to 1991.

In about three (3) months.  Not flu. Not AIDS.  Not piddly.

It seems Valkorado, that you respond to any assertion that COVID-19 does not require the response and damage that has been done to an insistence that COVID-19 is not piddly.  No one (or at least very few) claimed it's piddly.  Honestly the annual flu is not piddly.  It does kill people. 

COVID-19 isn't piddly.  It is over hyped.  It certainly has been misrepresented in the models used to justify the panic that was spread.  COVID-19 does not justify that damage that's been done to the country, not by the disease but by the mitigation efforts.

Okay, you've convinced me.  Compared to the expected catastrophe that was predicted COVID-19 is piddly.   

Incidentally, multiple sources report 80,000 deaths last season from flu.  Your announcement may be just a bit premature. 

No gripes with this post.  I agree!

[carolinarider09]

Major events that were cancelled during the 1968 - 1969 Honk Kong Flu Pandemic that resulted in the deaths (relative to today's US population) of 170,000 people in America.


NONE!

[Valkorado]

U.S. coronavirus deaths exceed 75,000: Reuters tally

So, one wonders where MSN gets its information.  And you wonder about controls on the Web and motives.

So, lets assume Reuters.  Lets assume a bunch of stuff but lets look at the CDC.  And yes I don't trust the CDC but they are the governemt's official database and you would think that MSN and Reuters would be using that data.  So, the pictures below show the current data from the CDC on COVID-19 and the number of deaths from AIDs.

And remember the population of the USA in the time frames referred to was 200,000,000 in 1968-1969 and 220,000,000 to 250,000,000 during the 10 years of the referenced AIDs number.  

Therefore the Reuters reference to the 1968-1969 Flu Pandemic and the AIDs numbers needs to be "inflated" by 70% for the 1968-1969 number and by 40% or the AIDs number.  

Or, using the data shown in the images below (and if you want the links I can provide them but they are all CDC numbers).  

1968-1969 Flu deaths would equate to 170,000 using todays population
For the 10 year AIDs number the deaths would equal 168,000.  

Per CDC, number of deaths from COVID-19 today is either 45,632 or 73,267 (NOT 75,000, they rounded it up)

So, the fact that Reuters is using numbers that are not only incorrect but also not fully referenced based on population makes one ask the question.  WHY????????

The answer is to make sure you and I are very, very afraid and to show that we have never ever been here before.  Because if we have, then we would all be asking what did we do then and why not do it now.

Just one more point.  If you relate the numbers to population, the CORVID-19 deaths in 1968 -1969; the 75,000 number would be 43,000 and the 45,000 number would be 25,000.

You may feel free to disregard this lengthly post but all the data is correct and fully referenced and fully supports my contention that the major news agencies (AKA Main Stream Media) have an agenda.  And its not to support the continued freedoms we as Americans have known for that last 246 years and so many fought and died to keep.  

You didn't address the three months thing.  That's huge.  The months and counting...


On the Hong Kong flu.  Hong Kong Flu, 1968–1969 :



http://www.myfluvaccine.com/awareness/history.html

The number of deaths between September 1968 and March 1969 was 33,800, making it the mildest flu pandemic in the 20th century.

The (Hong Kong) flu hit hardest in December when schoolchildren were on vacation, leading to a decline in flu cases.

Improved medical care and antibiotics effective for secondary bacterial infections were available, minimizing fatalities.


We can also agree to disagree on the 45,632 U.S. C19 number.  The AIDS chart bolsters Reuters' numbers (1981-1991).

A death equates to death, even those who died in another decade.

[3fan4life]

You didn't address the three months thing.  That's huge.  The months and counting...

We can agree to disagree on the 45,632 number.  The AIDS chart bolsters Reuters' numbers (1981-1991).

A death equates to death, even those who died in another decade.

So, what exactly is your point here?


You've said that you are in favor of things opening back up.

But, every time  the MSM reports something in an attempt to perpetuate widespread panic you rush to parrot it here.

Do, you believe that we here should be panicked along with the rest of the fine Americans?

[Valkorado]

You didn't address the three months thing.  That's huge.  The months and counting...

We can agree to disagree on the 45,632 number.  The AIDS chart bolsters Reuters' numbers (1981-1991).

A death equates to death, even those who died in another decade.

So, what exactly is your point here?


You've said that you are in favor of things opening back up.

But, every time  the MSM reports something in an attempt to perpetuate widespread panic you rush to parrot it here.

Do, you believe that we here should be panicked along with the rest of the fine Americans?

No point, just discussion of C19 per the topic title.  If you don't want to discuss it anymore, avoid this topic.

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So I did not address the three months thing.  Really......  I thought it might be sort of obvious that the deaths from COVID-19 will spike in the spring, slack off in the summer and then might spike again in the fall.

And further more, the Reuters article said the deaths already exceeds the Hong Kong Flu numbers which was a lie.  And a real big lie if you factor in population.  

And we have not had a chance to develop herd immunity, we are all hunkered down (to flatten the curve, not to mimimze the number of cases). Herd immunity did play a part in the 1968 Hong Kong Flu.  

But I digress.

We know the following "truths" from the CDC and Dr. Fauci and Dr. Brix.  The infection and deaths numbers will flatten out (well thats what they said in mid April ) during the summer months. And they will spike again in the Fall.

f you pick the CDC number of 45,000 (rounded) from February of 2020 to May of 2020 (which is three months) and assume a similar number in the fall of 2020 and a slightly smaller number in the winter of 2020-2021 (we will have some herd immunity then if we ever get out of lock down) you get a number of deaths roughly equivalent to the Hong Kong Flu of 1968.  (when adjusted for population).  

If you use the 75,000 number, well you can use a calculator.....  The numbers are all there.

Two other things.  I firmly believe the number of cases listed for the Hong Kong Flu is an under estimate.  We were not as sophisticated in our use of computers, large data bases of number, press releases, all day news and I think, back then, far more "free".  The 100,000 is an estimate only.  It was likely more.  

Second, I believe the number of cases attributed to COVID-19 is inflated because of what was done to compensate hospitals for treating COVID-19 patients.  There is a monetary benefit to listing a death as COVID-19.  






The Reuters article implied and