Coronavirus $hit be getting real

[Valkorado]

Just for the record, we have yet to reach a population adjusted death rate for COVID-19 as compared to the Hong Kong Flu of 1968-1969.  To make the two Pandemics equal would require that the deaths from COVID-19 to exceed 180,000.  Right now that number is at about 120,000 and declining rapidly.  

Something to look forward to, I guess.  Equality does seem to be all the rage nowadays.

[..]

Just for the record, we have yet to reach a population adjusted death rate for COVID-19 as compared to the Hong Kong Flu of 1968-1969.  To make the two Pandemics equal would require that the deaths from COVID-19 to exceed 180,000.  Right now that number is at about 120,000 and declining rapidly.  

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/1968-pandemic.html

The estimated number of deaths was 1 million worldwide and about 100,000 in the United States.

And we are about 6 - 8 months in.

[..]

Here we go again.

https://www.texastribune.org/2020/06/26/texas-bars-restaurants-coronavirus-greg-abbott/

Gov. Greg Abbott orders Texas bars to close again and restaurants to reduce to 50% occupancy as coronavirus spreads.

[Valkorado]

Here we go again.

https://www.texastribune.org/2020/06/26/texas-bars-restaurants-coronavirus-greg-abbott/

Gov. Greg Abbott orders Texas bars to close again and restaurants to reduce to 50% occupancy as coronavirus spreads.

But, but...  The numbers dont support this!   

[Valkorado]

Or this!  

These Republican governors want to take away our Constitutional rights!!!  It's all about making Trump look bad!  

https://www.local10.com/news/local/2020/06/26/coronavirus-florida-cases-record-covid-19-spike/


https://www.wesh.com/article/florida-bars-alcohol-consumption-suspended/32981423

[Willow]

Or this!  

These Republican governors want to take away our Constitutional rights!!!  It's all about making Trump look bad!  

https://www.local10.com/news/local/2020/06/26/coronavirus-florida-cases-record-covid-19-spike/


https://www.wesh.com/article/florida-bars-alcohol-consumption-suspended/32981423 

I looked at the links you included and could find no reference to governors or constitutional rights.

[Willow]

Here we go again.

https://www.texastribune.org/2020/06/26/texas-bars-restaurants-coronavirus-greg-abbott/

Gov. Greg Abbott orders Texas bars to close again and restaurants to reduce to 50% occupancy as coronavirus spreads.

But, but...  The numbers dont support this!   

No, they don't.  Texas is a huge state.  What is happening in a city or three does not support a statewide mandate.  We've been subjected to reporting by state regarding this COVID-19 thing when within the states there are hot spots and there are counties that are lightly or not at all impacted by COVID-19.   

[Valkorado]

Watching Mike Pence live right now.  He just said, "When President Trump asked me to head the Coronavirus Task Force, he gave me one mission -- to save lives".  (verbatim)

Wasn't the one mission to flatten the curve?  Or does flattening the curve somehow save lives?  Maybe when the curve is flattened less people die in overcrowded hospitals?  Hmmm.

He did not specify.

He now (just now) said the current mission with state surges is to, "save lives and stay open.".  Guess I'm for that!

[carolinarider09]

Just for the record, we have yet to reach a population adjusted death rate for COVID-19 as compared to the Hong Kong Flu of 1968-1969.  To make the two Pandemics equal would require that the deaths from COVID-19 to exceed 180,000.  Right now that number is at about 120,000 and declining rapidly.  

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/1968-pandemic.html

The estimated number of deaths was 1 million worldwide and about 100,000 in the United States.

And we are about 6 - 8 months in.

You are correct we are 6 - 8 months in.  Worldwide deaths (according to the website below) stands today at 496,611.  You can imaged the difference in world population between 1968 and 2020.  If we just equate that to the change in US population, that number (496,611) is going to be much, much less than the Hong Kong Flu.  

https://coronavirus.thebaselab.com


If you look at the information on the website below you will note that the number of deaths attributed to COVID-19 peaked in late April.  This peak and resulting steep decline in deaths attributed to COVID-19 cannot be attributed to lock downs and shuttering and sheltering in place.  That was only suppose to slow the spread.  

So, why did the deaths from COVID-19 peak in late April?  

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm

Every time I make a post like this I feel somewhat guilty because I am discussing deaths as just a number.  I am fully aware that these deaths result in the loss of a loved one to one or more families.  

But, it is what we are being feed.  As someone said earlier figures don't lie (well I have to admit I think the number of deaths attributed to COVID-19 is somewhat inflated) but liars figure.  

We are being fed numbers to scare us.  To make us think that this has never happened before?  Yes.  To ensure that we are controlled due to fear?  Yes.  

Take precautions is you are in the vulnerable group.  Be smart in who and what you associate with if you are in the vulnerable group (of which I am one because of age).  But do not let the biased mainstream media put fear into you.  We have been here before.  We will be here again.  

[Valkorado]

Or this!  

These Republican governors want to take away our Constitutional rights!!!  It's all about making Trump look bad!  

https://www.local10.com/news/local/2020/06/26/coronavirus-florida-cases-record-covid-19-spike/


https://www.wesh.com/article/florida-bars-alcohol-consumption-suspended/32981423  

I looked at the links you included and could find no reference to governors or constitutional rights

That's because all of our constitutional rights have disappeared due to this Kung Flu!  A few members here know this is fact!  

[Valkorado]

Just for the record, we have yet to reach a population adjusted death rate for COVID-19 as compared to the Hong Kong Flu of 1968-1969.  To make the two Pandemics equal would require that the deaths from COVID-19 to exceed 180,000.  Right now that number is at about 120,000 and declining rapidly.  

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/1968-pandemic.html

The estimated number of deaths was 1 million worldwide and about 100,000 in the United States.

And we are about 6 - 8 months in.

You are correct we are 6 - 8 months in.  Worldwide deaths (according to the website below) stands today at 496,611.  You can imaged the difference in world population between 1968 and 2020.  If we just equate that to the change in US population, that number (496,611) is going to be much, much less than the Hong Kong Flu.  

https://coronavirus.thebaselab.com


If you look at the information on the website below you will note that the number of deaths attributed to COVID-19 peaked in late April.  This peak and resulting steep decline in deaths attributed to COVID-19 cannot be attributed to lock downs and shuttering and sheltering in place.  That was only suppose to slow the spread.  

So, why did the deaths from COVID-19 peak in late April?  

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm

Every time I make a post like this I feel somewhat guilty because I am discussing deaths as just a number.  I am fully aware that these deaths result in the loss of a loved one to one or more families.  

But, it is what we are being feed.  As someone said earlier figures don't lie (well I have to admit I think the number of deaths attributed to COVID-19 is somewhat inflated) but liars figure.  

We are being fed numbers to scare us.  To make us think that this has never happened before?  Yes.  To ensure that we are controlled due to fear?  Yes.  

Take precautions is you are in the vulnerable group.  Be smart in who and what you associate with if you are in the vulnerable group (of which I am one because of age).  But do not let the biased mainstream media put fear into you.  We have been here before.  We will be here again.  

Why keep bringing this up?  Our current concern is coronavirus, or to be specific and make Willow happy Covid-19.  I don't give a damn about the Hong Kong flu or the US population in 1968.  I could care less if the Hong Kong flu was "better" or "worse".  Heck, the real winner flu was the Spanish flu, if we just want to discuss pandemics.  I don't care what the US population was then, either.

You say you're in a vulnerable group and will be smart about who you associate with (just those who look "fine" I s'pose?), but you've indicated your disgust with being "forced" to wear a mask because it it's an attempt to control you.

[carolinarider09]

Why keep bringing this up?  Our current concern is coronavirus, or to be specific and make Willow happy Covid-19.  I don't give a damn about the Hong Kong flu or the US population in 1968.  I could care less if the Hong Kong flu was "better" or "worse".  Heck, the real winner flu was the Spanish flu, if we just want to discuss pandemics.  I don't care what the US population was then, either.

You say you're in a vulnerable group and will be smart about who you associate with (just those who look "fine" I s'pose?), but you've indicated your disgust with being "forced" to wear a mask because it it's an attempt to control you.

Why do I keep bring this up, its because the event, COVID-19, has, is being used.  The MSM is using the virus to drag down the economy, to sow fear, to defeat the current President in the election in November. 

If they can put enough fear in people and make the economy tank, they have won. 

I use the Hong Kong Flu as a reference because of its origin, its transmission rate, and the current status of the population in the US at the time.  It was the late sixties and 100,000 people died from the Hong Kong Flu but it was never on the news (I know I did watch the news on occasion back then).  It was one more event in life.

Why is COVID-19 different?   Because it is being used for political purposes. 

Regarding my age and vulnerability, Its my choice if I want to take precautions.  I should be able to choose, not have some politician tell me I have to.  And the main reason for that is the notion of "slippery slope".  Once you start down the slippery slope, what is next?  Am I too old to own a handgun?  Am I too old to drive (oh I know I can get tested for that  )  What am I told old to do.  We are each different.  And it is up to each of us to "know our limitations" 

If I can prove to you that if everyone over the age of 70 stayed home and never ventured out, that they would live an additional 20 years would you support a law that said if you were over 70 you could not go out?

This is suppose to be a "free" country and today, we have lost so many freedoms to "save one life". 

And finally the reason I keep bringing up the Hong Kong Flu is that it is an experience that many of us here were part of, we grew up then, worked then, lived then, loved then.  And, as I said above, if you had asked me about the Hong Kong Flu six months ago I would have said "What?"

Or to say it another way, "Been There, Done That, Got the T-shirt".  But don't remember it. 

[..]

Just for the record, we have yet to reach a population adjusted death rate for COVID-19 as compared to the Hong Kong Flu of 1968-1969.  To make the two Pandemics equal would require that the deaths from COVID-19 to exceed 180,000.  Right now that number is at about 120,000 and declining rapidly.  

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/1968-pandemic.html

The estimated number of deaths was 1 million worldwide and about 100,000 in the United States.

And we are about 6 - 8 months in.

You are correct we are 6 - 8 months in.  Worldwide deaths (according to the website below) stands today at 496,611.  You can imaged the difference in world population between 1968 and 2020.  If we just equate that to the change in US population, that number (496,611) is going to be much, much less than the Hong Kong Flu.  

https://coronavirus.thebaselab.com


If you look at the information on the website below you will note that the number of deaths attributed to COVID-19 peaked in late April.  This peak and resulting steep decline in deaths attributed to COVID-19 cannot be attributed to lock downs and shuttering and sheltering in place.  That was only suppose to slow the spread.  

So, why did the deaths from COVID-19 peak in late April?  

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm

Every time I make a post like this I feel somewhat guilty because I am discussing deaths as just a number.  I am fully aware that these deaths result in the loss of a loved one to one or more families.  

But, it is what we are being feed.  As someone said earlier figures don't lie (well I have to admit I think the number of deaths attributed to COVID-19 is somewhat inflated) but liars figure.  

We are being fed numbers to scare us.  To make us think that this has never happened before?  Yes.  To ensure that we are controlled due to fear?  Yes.  

Take precautions is you are in the vulnerable group.  Be smart in who and what you associate with if you are in the vulnerable group (of which I am one because of age).  But do not let the biased mainstream media put fear into you.  We have been here before.  We will be here again.  

And I step out of this conversation.

Why?

You mentioned US deaths from the 1968 flu to make your point.

Now you use global numbers.

[carolinarider09]

Britman,

I used the global numbers to make the point that the data is most likely incorrect for global COVID-19 and, if one wishes to compare the deadliness of the two diseases it must be considered. 

[carolinarider09]

I found this information from the CDC.  It shows the mortality by age since February 1, 2020.

Note, the mortality peaked in late April and has had a steady decline since that date.  The there are two pages with the information.  Page one is a graph showing COVID-19 mortality only.

Page two shows the information in a chart and also adds information on total deaths for the same weekly periods.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm#Race_Hispanic

[Valkorado]

How about this slogan?

Coronavirus.  It's all good!

[Valkorado]

Britman,

I used the global numbers to make the point that the data is most likely incorrect for global COVID-19 and, if one wishes to compare the deadliness of the two diseases it must be considered. 

Gotcha.  The data for COVID-19, which continues to rage through the summer heat, is incorrect.  The data for the Hong Kong flu was absolutely accurate.  10-4.   

[Serk]

Well now that's..... odd.....

Newborn Triplets Test Positive for Coronavirus, but Parents Test Negative

Newborn triplets in Mexico tested positive for the coronavirus on the day they were born, but their parents tested negative in a case that health officials have said is “unheard of.”

The triplets were born prematurely on June 17 in the central Mexican state of San Luis Potosí and got tested just four hours after their birth, Mexican health officials told CNN.

https://people.com/health/newborn-triplets-test-positive-for-coronavirus-but-parents-test-negative/

[scooperhsd]

I hope they make it - that's awfully young for them to have to take C-19 on.

[98valk]

the tests are flawed, can mean anything they want it to mean

Test performance can be affected because the epidemiology and clinical spectrum of infection caused by 2019-nCoV is not fully known. For example, clinicians and laboratories may not know
38 CDC-006-00019, Revision: 04CDC/DDID/NCIRD/ Division of Viral Diseases          Effective: 6/12/2020the optimum types of specimens to collect, and,  during the course of infection, when these specimens are most likely to contain levels of viral RNA that can be readily detected.•Detection of viral RNA may not indicate the presence of infectious virus or that 2019-nCoV is the causative agent for clinical symptoms.  •The performance of this test has not been established for monitoring treatment of 2019-nCoV infection.•The performance of this test has not been established for screening of blood or blood products for the presence of 2019-nCoV.•This test cannot rule out diseases caused by other bacterial or viral pathogens.

https://www.fda.gov/media/134922/download

Dr. Deborah Birx, the White House's coronavirus task force response coordinator, blasted the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention during a discussion on COVID-19 data in a recent meeting, The Washington Post reported on Saturday.

"There is nothing from the CDC that I can trust," she told CDC Director Robert Redfield, two people familiar with the meeting told the newspaper.

The Post reported that Birx and others feared that the CDC's data-tracking system was inflating coronavirus statistics like mortality rates and case numbers by up to 25%.
https://www.businessinsider.com/deborah-birx-cdc-comments-coronavirus-task-force-meeting-2020-5


false numbers to keep states closed destroy the economy, all political plan.

“You’ve got to be kidding me,” Ashish Jha, the K. T. Li Professor of Global Health at Harvard and the director of the Harvard Global Health Institute, told us when we described what the CDC was doing. “How could the CDC make that mistake? This is a mess.”

Viral tests, taken by nose swab or saliva sample, look for direct evidence of a coronavirus infection. They are considered the gold standard for diagnosing someone with COVID-19, the disease caused by the virus: State governments consider a positive viral test to be the only way to confirm a case of COVID-19. Antibody tests, by contrast, use blood samples to look for biological signals that a person has been exposed to the virus in the past.

A negative test result means something different for each test. If somebody tests negative on a viral test, a doctor can be relatively confident that they are not sick right now; if somebody tests negative on an antibody test, they have probably never been infected with or exposed to the coronavirus. (Or they may have been given a false result—antibody tests are notoriously less accurate on an individual level than viral tests.) The problem is that the CDC is clumping negative results from both tests together in its public reporting.
https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/05/cdc-and-states-are-misreporting-covid-19-test-data-pennsylvania-georgia-texas/611935/?utm_source=pocket-newtab


Soylent Green is people; COVID-19 is old people     https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2020/06/26/soylent-green-is-people-covid-19-is-old-people/

Tony Fauci knows the con. He knows COVID-19 is old people. But he’s busy giving advice to the NFL and Major League Baseball about how to play their seasons, while people are dying from the fear he promotes. Fauci has no shred of shame. He’s a mouthpiece turned out by Bill Gates and David Rockefeller.

Evil permeates the COVID operation. The elderly in nursing homes are the primary target. Getting them to die earlier is the tactic, in order to pump up the fake COVID mortality numbers.

Without those phony numbers, the whole “pandemic” would be exposed in an hour.

I’ve said there were two key events in the foisting of the whole vicious COVID fiction—the Chinese regime locking down 50 million citizens overnight for no good medical reason, giving the green light to the World Health Organization and the CDC to “follow the new model”; and the Bill Gates-financed computer projection of deaths, put together by Neil Ferguson, who lied through his teeth when he claimed half a million people could die in the UK and two million in the US—thus supplying the final “rationale” for the lockdowns.

The third key event was and is the sustained attack on the elderly in nursing homes.

Kill these people with terror and isolation, and make the death numbers escalate.

Here are the open-source press reports I included in my article two days ago. There is an additional report at the end.

As of May 22, Forbes reports that, “…in the 43 states that currently report such figures, an astounding 42% of all COVID-19 deaths have taken place in nursing homes and assisted living facilities.”


INFLUENZA weekly reports 2019-20 season
SEE Health Canada Stats for Week 15 – 19
Ask yourself WHY they state that at Week 12 (March 15-21) that cases of INFLUENZA ended abruptly?
Isn’t that when #CoronavirusHOAX was declared a pandemic?
Fun with numbers?
https://www.canada.ca/en/public-health/services/diseases/flu-influenza/influenza-surveillance/weekly-reports-2019-2020-season.html

https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2020/05/29/the-pandemic-pattern-how-the-illusion-is-built/#comments

[3fan4life]

CDC: ANTIBODY TESTING SHOWS THERE HAS BEEN 10 TIMES MORE COVID CASES IN THE U.S. THAN REPORTED, MOSTLY ASYMPTOMATIC
by Kevin Ryan

CDC Director Robert Redfield says that the actual number of Americans who've been infected with COVID-19 may be ten times higher than reported because of so many symptomatic cases going unnoticed.

“Our best estimate right now is that for every case that's reported, there actually are 10 other infections,” CDC director Dr. Robert Redfield said on a call with reporters.

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/cdc-says-covid-19-cases-u-s-may-be-10-n1232134

This would take the current overall death rate of 4.9% down to 0.49%


Remind me again why we shut down the entire economy?

[3fan4life]

Remember Sweden?

They didn't lock down anything and their numbers are going down as well.

https://covid19.healthdata.org/sweden

[Valkorado]

CDC: ANTIBODY TESTING SHOWS THERE HAS BEEN 10 TIMES MORE COVID CASES IN THE U.S. THAN REPORTED, MOSTLY ASYMPTOMATIC
by Kevin Ryan

CDC Director Robert Redfield says that the actual number of Americans who've been infected with COVID-19 may be ten times higher than reported because of so many symptomatic cases going unnoticed.

“Our best estimate right now is that for every case that's reported, there actually are 10 other infections,” CDC director Dr. Robert Redfield said on a call with reporters.

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/cdc-says-covid-19-cases-u-s-may-be-10-n1232134

This would take the current overall death rate of 4.9% down to 0.49%


Remind me again why we shut down the entire economy?

This would indicate it's gonna continue spreading for the foreseeable future.

[3fan4life]

CDC: ANTIBODY TESTING SHOWS THERE HAS BEEN 10 TIMES MORE COVID CASES IN THE U.S. THAN REPORTED, MOSTLY ASYMPTOMATIC
by Kevin Ryan

CDC Director Robert Redfield says that the actual number of Americans who've been infected with COVID-19 may be ten times higher than reported because of so many symptomatic cases going unnoticed.

“Our best estimate right now is that for every case that's reported, there actually are 10 other infections,” CDC director Dr. Robert Redfield said on a call with reporters.

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/cdc-says-covid-19-cases-u-s-may-be-10-n1232134

This would take the current overall death rate of 4.9% down to 0.49%


Remind me again why we shut down the entire economy?

This would indicate it's gonna continue spreading for the foreseeable future.

Perhaps, but a 0.49% death rate does not justify all the damage that has been done to the economy and people's lively hoods.

[Valkorado]

CDC: ANTIBODY TESTING SHOWS THERE HAS BEEN 10 TIMES MORE COVID CASES IN THE U.S. THAN REPORTED, MOSTLY ASYMPTOMATIC
by Kevin Ryan

CDC Director Robert Redfield says that the actual number of Americans who've been infected with COVID-19 may be ten times higher than reported because of so many symptomatic cases going unnoticed.

“Our best estimate right now is that for every case that's reported, there actually are 10 other infections,” CDC director Dr. Robert Redfield said on a call with reporters.

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/cdc-says-covid-19-cases-u-s-may-be-10-n1232134

This would take the current overall death rate of 4.9% down to 0.49%


Remind me again why we shut down the entire economy?

This would indicate it's gonna continue spreading for the foreseeable future.

Perhaps, but a 0.49% death rate does not justify all the damage that has been done to the economy and people's lively hoods.

I agree, and I have not said it does.

[Valkorado]

This could complicate the herd immunity process.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/columbia-doctor-study-coronavirus-antibodies-fade

https://www.fox19.com/video/2020/06/29/fauci-us-reaching-coronavirus-heard-immunity-not-likely/

[scooperhsd]

I'm about ready to go into civil disobediance mode - my county has announced mandatory mask wearing inside at public places (i.e. grocery stores etc.). It's either that or go south to the nearest neighboring county and boycott mine until they lift it.

[Valkorado]

CDC: ANTIBODY TESTING SHOWS THERE HAS BEEN 10 TIMES MORE COVID CASES IN THE U.S. THAN REPORTED, MOSTLY ASYMPTOMATIC
by Kevin Ryan

CDC Director Robert Redfield says that the actual number of Americans who've been infected with COVID-19 may be ten times higher than reported because of so many symptomatic cases going unnoticed.

“Our best estimate right now is that for every case that's reported, there actually are 10 other infections,” CDC director Dr. Robert Redfield said on a call with reporters.

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/cdc-says-covid-19-cases-u-s-may-be-10-n1232134

This would take the current overall death rate of 4.9% down to 0.49%


Remind me again why we shut down the entire economy?

Interesting video here with Dr. Scott Gottlieb.

https://www.cnbc.com/video/2020/06/26/scott-gottlieb-united-states-covid-19-infection-death-rate-squawk-box.html

Another with Tom Frieden.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/former-cdc-director-on-coronavirus-spikes-the-virus-has-the-upper-hand

"Like leaning into a left hook".
"We're all sick and tired of staying home, but the virus is not tied of making us sick".

[..]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/la-county-faces-critical-moment-as-coronavirus-cases-keep-surging/ar-BB162AQ5

[..]

They don't want the President to get involved in individual state affairs.


Oh, Oh, nope, now they do.


https://thehill.com/homenews/sunday-talk-shows/504897-pelosi-definitely-long-overdue-to-mandate-wearing-masks-nationwide

[..]

https://dfw.cbslocal.com/2020/06/27/texas-residents-emergency-alert-covid-19-surge/

[..]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/china-puts-half-a-million-people-in-lockdown-as-beijing-fights-new-cluster/ar-BB163Mig

[carolinarider09]

I am stuck inside today.  Got a bunch of bug bites, not sure if chiggers or what or even for sure they are bugs but…. 

So, I just thought I’d put this out there.

The media is all abuzz over the increase in COVID-19 cases in the US (I have not checked the rest of the world).  The basic premise to the news stories is “we are all going to die from COVID-19 if we don’t shelter in place (for those most susceptible), wear a mask at all times, ect.   

So, according to the CDC (yes I know the CDC, but its better than a quote from a Chinese study) what do these numbers look like. 

The image below shows a screen shot from the website linked below it.  You will notice that the deaths attributed to COVID-19 hit a high on or around mid April, 2020 and has decreased every month since then with the number as of June 26 (the update was for the week of June 20th) being 481.



https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm

Now, look at the graph below.  It shows the number of new COVID-19 cases spiking around April 11th and drifting down and then sort of spiking again during Memorial Day Weekend and then maybe a spike with all the protests and then a continued spike as states returned to normal. 

But even with all then new cases being reported (remember this is the CDC and they maybe behind a few days) the number of deaths attributed to COVID-19 from the CDC’s website shows a steep decline. 



https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/cases-in-us.html

So, why all the fear and hand wringing over the spike in reported COVID-19 cases in recent days?   It cannot be (according to the CDC) because of expected increase in deaths. 

What they are now saying is its because hospitals hitting their limits on patients.  Not those in ICU or on ventilators, just those being admitted to the hospital.  And of course, since its COVID-19, they have to handle it differently (highly infectious disease).

So, what are the hospitalizations  for COVID-19 ( I could not find a CDC website with the number per day or week but the graph from the CDC is cumulative).  The  curve is beginning to flatten out.  You can check again in a week if you want but I bet, it won’t change monumentally. 



https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/covid-data/covidview/index.html

So, why all the wringing of hands, the pleas, the outcry from the MSM, about the “new”  (remember its not really a new spike just a continued change) spike in COVID-19 cases.  Since the data shows one thing and the MSM prophecies about another there can be only one answer.  There is an agenda.  And believe me its not about you and me or our health or or parents, or children’s health. 

[Valkorado]

Saw a surgeon on Fox yesterday.  He said, essentially, folks should ask their personal physicians whether they believe masks should presently be worn in public spaces.  He said we trust our doctors' advice on so many health issues, and he is having a hard time understanding why patients wouldn't trust them on this.

[Serk]

Coronavirus traces found in March 2019 sewage sample, Spanish study shows

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-spain-science/coronavirus-traces-found-in-march-2019-sewage-sample-spanish-study-shows-idUSKBN23X2HQ

[Willow]

Honestly the push for social distancing and shutdown was said to be to "flatten the curve".  That is, the objective was to slow the spread so that hospitals would not be overwhelmed with the initial spike.  When flattening the curve, logically you are by definition delaying or putting off some of the infections.  It follows that when we move away from the shutdown (and extreme social distancing) we are going to experience a spike similar to what we originally feared.

The only way to avoid that eventual spike is to stay in shutdown and extreme social distancing for two or more years until the necessary number of people had been infected.  We can't as an economy and a social structure survive a shutdown of that length.

Grit your teeth and deal with what the virus is going to deliver.

[Valkorado]

Grit your teeth and deal with what the virus is going to deliver.

Amen!  It is what is.

[Valkorado]

https://www.foxnews.com/us/coronavirus-sickens-maryland-reopen-protest-organizer-tim-walters

[carolinarider09]

Congressman Dan Crenshaw on Facebook.  Not sure if the link will work. 

A lot of politicians are using new COVID-19 cases in Texas to scare people. ‪So we need to get some facts straight and provide some context. Watch:

https://www.facebook.com/RepDanCrenshaw/videos/3288975581161876/

[scooperhsd]

I don't trust anyone or any agency about this anymore. I don't trust if we should mask or not. I DON'T CARE if 1,000,000 Americans may die from this anymore. I just want it to be over and get back to normal. I'm sick and tired of 2020 (I've had a very bad year and I'm sick of it). I don't trust any politicians anymore. I don't  trust any leader anymore. I've never had a great deal of trust for Congress or any member of it.

The big problem is that the politicians think they are in charge. They're not - They only govern by the consent of the governed (US) - and it would do well to remind them of that.