Coronavirus $hit be getting real

[scooperhsd]

I'm not sure what I would do if I had kids in school right now. I suppose it would depend on what local authorities are recommending / school system offering.

Local school district is offering parental choice between virtual or on campus. They request a commitment to one or the other but are allowing flexibility to switch at any time, although they're requesting the changes try to be done at 9 week grading periods instead of willy nilly.

We've signed the commitment forms for all 4 kids for on campus school as soon as such an option is available.

We've discussed it at length, and feel strongly the relatively small risk COVID presents pales in comparison to the much higher risk of stunted learning, stunted socialization, depression, higher suicide rates, etc that continued isolation causes.

I grew up with 3 siblings. We learned plenty of socialization in all of our fighting. Hopefully it won't come to it. But, I think you'll make a fine teacher in a pinch.  

Well, so did I (I'm the oldest of 4). And I second your assessment of Serk's capabilities. But I see his point on the socialization aspects of on campus school. Especially if any of them are involved with school athletics / music groups / other things that really require on campus for participation. That's one reason why I said this would be a hard decision.

There are times when I wished Mom and Dad would have let me skip one or two of grades 7-9. Academically - I could have handled it. But socialization - that's a completely different kettle of fish. I was always one of the youngest in my grade - (I started kindergarden at 4 years 11 months - because Mom was going crazy with the 3 of my siblings). I was reading at better than 1st grade when I started - and all through school (until college) I was bored, bored, bored - I read library books in class while keeping up with the lectures of my teachers - and I took the Honors Math courses. The only thing I really got out of grades 7-9 was music development.

[Robert]

WEST PALM BEACH, Fla. — A 60-year-old man who died from a gun shot wound to the head. A 90-year-old man who fell and died from complications of a hip fracture. A 77-year-old woman who died of Parkinson's disease. These are some of the deaths in Palm Beach County recently, and incorrectly, attributed to COVID-19 in medical examiner records. The CBS12 News I-Team uncovered several examples in Medical Examiner reports of people counted as a COVID death who did not die of COVID.

As we've know all along, there's a political and money agenda. Media, govt and medical stooges. Bent on keeping Florida in a panic lockdown. Only 169 deaths out of 581 reported.

https://cbs12.com/news/local/i-team-deaths-incorrectly-attributed-to-covid-19-in-palm-beach-county


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I guess we finally found out why hospitals are hot bed of lies and covid, or at least lies.

the entire $175 billion program.


HHS To Begin Distributing $10 Billion in Additional Funding to Hospitals in High Impact COVID-19 Areas

Today, the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS), through the Health Resources and Services Administration (HRSA), is announcing it will begin distributing $10 billion in a second round of high impact COVID-19 area funding to hospitals starting next week. As parts of the nation confront a recent surge in positive COVID-19 cases and hospitals elsewhere continue to recover and grapple with the financial hardships caused by the pandemic, HHS recognizes the need to quickly get these funds to frontline health care providers.

https://www.hhs.gov/about/news/2020/07/17/hhs-begin-distributing-10-billion-additional-funding-hospitals-high-impact-covid-19-areas.html


On June 8, 2020, HHS sent communications to all hospitals about plans to distribute a second round of funding to high impact COVID-19 areas and asked them to submit data on their COVID-19 positive-inpatient admissions for the period January 1, 2020, through June 10, 2020. Their submissions were used to determine their eligibility and share of the second round of the funding being announced today to ensure hospitals are equitably supported in the battle against this pandemic. Payments from the $10 billion distribution will provide relief to more than 1,000 hospitals across the nation and begin as early as Monday of next week.

In May, HHS announced the first round of high impact funding totaling $12 billion that was distributed to 395 hospitals. This means total committed payments for the two rounds of high impact area funding from the Provider Relief Fund program, to date, is over $20 billion, representing almost 12 percent of the entire $175 billion program.    

[98valk]

WEST PALM BEACH, Fla. — A 60-year-old man who died from a gun shot wound to the head. A 90-year-old man who fell and died from complications of a hip fracture. A 77-year-old woman who died of Parkinson's disease. These are some of the deaths in Palm Beach County recently, and incorrectly, attributed to COVID-19 in medical examiner records. The CBS12 News I-Team uncovered several examples in Medical Examiner reports of people counted as a COVID death who did not die of COVID.

As we've know all along, there's a political and money agenda. Media, govt and medical stooges. Bent on keeping Florida in a panic lockdown. Only 169 deaths out of 581 reported.

https://cbs12.com/news/local/i-team-deaths-incorrectly-attributed-to-covid-19-in-palm-beach-county



FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
July 17, 2020
Contact: HHS Press Office
202-690-6343
media@hhs.gov

HHS To Begin Distributing $10 Billion in Additional Funding to Hospitals in High Impact COVID-19 Areas

Today, the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS), through the Health Resources and Services Administration (HRSA), is announcing it will begin distributing $10 billion in a second round of high impact COVID-19 area funding to hospitals starting next week. As parts of the nation confront a recent surge in positive COVID-19 cases and hospitals elsewhere continue to recover and grapple with the financial hardships caused by the pandemic, HHS recognizes the need to quickly get these funds to frontline health care providers.

https://www.hhs.gov/about/news/2020/07/17/hhs-begin-distributing-10-billion-additional-funding-hospitals-high-impact-covid-19-areas.html


On June 8, 2020, HHS sent communications to all hospitals about plans to distribute a second round of funding to high impact COVID-19 areas and asked them to submit data on their COVID-19 positive-inpatient admissions for the period January 1, 2020, through June 10, 2020. Their submissions were used to determine their eligibility and share of the second round of the funding being announced today to ensure hospitals are equitably supported in the battle against this pandemic. Payments from the $10 billion distribution will provide relief to more than 1,000 hospitals across the nation and begin as early as Monday of next week.

In May, HHS announced the first round of high impact funding totaling $12 billion that was distributed to 395 hospitals. This means total committed payments for the two rounds of high impact area funding from the Provider Relief Fund program, to date, is over $20 billion, representing almost 12 percent of the entire $175 billion program.    

can u say hospital corporation fraud of pumping up the numbers for more free tax dollars? those executives will get huge bonuses.   total criminals.

[Robert]

can u say hospital corporation fraud of pumping up the numbers for more free tax dollars? those executives will get huge bonuses.   total criminals.

Things just didn't add up until I found this, now it makes sense. I have to wonder though, most higher up in government truly know what the numbers are, so why are they doing this. I doubt very seriously its only the hospitals or dr's, its done with a wink and a nod.

[..]

WEST PALM BEACH, Fla. — A 60-year-old man who died from a gun shot wound to the head. A 90-year-old man who fell and died from complications of a hip fracture. A 77-year-old woman who died of Parkinson's disease. These are some of the deaths in Palm Beach County recently, and incorrectly, attributed to COVID-19 in medical examiner records. The CBS12 News I-Team uncovered several examples in Medical Examiner reports of people counted as a COVID death who did not die of COVID.

As we've know all along, there's a political and money agenda. Media, govt and medical stooges. Bent on keeping Florida in a panic lockdown. Only 169 deaths out of 581 reported.

https://cbs12.com/news/local/i-team-deaths-incorrectly-attributed-to-covid-19-in-palm-beach-county


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FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
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I guess we finally found out why hospitals are hot bed of lies and covid, or at least lies.

the entire $175 billion program.


HHS To Begin Distributing $10 Billion in Additional Funding to Hospitals in High Impact COVID-19 Areas


https://www.hhs.gov/about/news/2020/07/17/hhs-begin-distributing-10-billion-additional-funding-hospitals-high-impact-covid-19-areas.html

The $ dollar numbers!!!

The second round of funding announced today was based on a formula for hospitals with over 161 COVID-19 admissions between January 1 and June 10, 2020, or one admission per day, or that experienced a disproportionate intensity of COVID admissions (exceeding the average ratio of COVID admissions/bed). Hospitals will be paid $50,000 per eligible admission.

The first round of funding was based on a formula that distributed funds to hospitals with 100 or more COVID-19 admissions between January 1 and April 10, 2020 and paid $76,975 per eligible admission. These previous high impact payments were also taken into account when determining each hospital’s payment in this second round distribution.

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https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/508913-dc-to-require-those-traveling-from-hot-spots-to-quarantine-for-14

[Valkorado]

US deaths during coronavirus outbreak period were 179K higher than usual: report
That number is 45,000 higher than the confirmed coronavirus death count for that period

https://www.foxnews.com/health/us-deaths-during-coronavirus-outbreak-period-were-179k-higher-usual-report

[Valkorado]

Don't shoot the messenger.  I do not support mandated lockdowns.

Shut it down, start over, do it right

An open letter to America’s decision makers, on behalf of health professionals across the country.

https://uspirg.org/resources/usp/shut-it-down-start-over-do-it-right

Verbatim.  Note the first signing physician is... drumroll...  ZEKE!  

Dear decision makers,

Hit the reset button.

Of all the nations in the world, we’ve had the most deaths from COVID-19. At the same time, we’re in the midst of “reopening our economy,” exposing more and more people to coronavirus and watching numbers of cases -- and deaths -- skyrocket.

In March, people went home and stayed there for weeks, to keep themselves and their neighbors safe. You didn’t use the time to set us up to defeat the virus. And then you started to reopen anyway, and too quickly.

Right now we are on a path to lose more than 200,000 American lives by November 1st. Yet, in many states people can drink in bars, get a haircut, eat inside a restaurant, get a tattoo, get a massage, and do myriad other normal, pleasant, but non-essential activities.

Get our priorities straight.

More than 117,000 Americans had died of COVID-19 by mid-June. If our response had been as effective as Germany’s, estimates show that we would have had only 36,000 COVID-19 deaths in that period in the United States. If our response had been as effective as South Korea, Australia, or Singapore’s, fewer than 2,000 Americans would have died. We could have prevented 99% of those COVID-19 deaths. But we didn’t.

The best thing for the nation is not to reopen as quickly as possible, it’s to save as many lives as possible. And reopening before suppressing the virus isn’t going to help the economy. Economists have gone on record saying that the only way to “restore the economy is to address the pandemic itself,” pointing out that until we find a way to boost testing and develop and distribute a vaccine, open or not, people will not be in the mood to participate.

Listen to the experts.

Public health professionals have made clear that even after we’ve contained the virus by staying at home, in order to reopen American cities and towns safely, we will need:

-- Enough daily testing capacity to test everyone with flu-like symptoms plus anyone they have been in close contact with over the last 2 weeks (at least 10 additional tests per symptomatic person). We currently have only 35% of the testing capacity we need to meet that threshold. The more people get sick, the more testing is required.

-- A workforce of contact tracers large enough to trace all current cases. That’s 210,000 more contact tracers than we had in April, but the number keeps going up as infections rise. Most states are far short of the number of contact tracers they need.

In addition, we need more personal protective equipment (PPE) to keep essential workers like health professionals, emergency responders, and grocery store clerks safe.

Shut it down now, and start over.

Non-essential businesses should be closed. Restaurant service should be limited to take-out. People should stay home, going out only to get food and medicine or to exercise and get fresh air. Masks should be mandatory in all situations, indoors and outdoors, where we interact with others.

We need that protocol in place until case numbers recede to a level at which we have the capacity to effectively test and trace. Then, and only then, we can try a little more opening, one small step at a time.

You should bar non-essential interstate travel. When people travel freely between states, the good numbers in one state can go bad quickly.

If you don’t take these actions, the consequences will be measured in widespread suffering and death.

We need you to lead.

Tell the American people the truth about the virus, even when it’s hard. Take bold action to save lives -- even when it means shutting down again.

Unleash the resources needed to contain the virus: massively ramping up testing, building the necessary infrastructure for effective contact tracing, and providing a safety net for those who need it.

Many of the actions of our government thus far have fallen short of what the moment demands. Mr. Trump, federal administration, honorable governors: we remind you that history has its eyes on you.

Sincerely,

Matthew Wellington
Public Health Campaigns Director, U.S. PIRG

Ezekiel J. Emanuel, M.D., Ph.D.
Vice Provost of Global Initiatives
Chair, Department of Medical Ethics and Health Policy
Levy University Professor
Co-Director, Healthcare Transformation Institute
Perelman School of Medicine and The Wharton School
University of Pennsylvania

Krutika Kuppalli, MD
Infectious Diseases Physician and Emerging Leader in Biosecurity Fellow at Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security

William Hanage, PhD
Harvard T. H. Chan School of Public Health

Saskia Popescu, PhD, MPH, MA, CIC
University of Arizona

David Sherman, PhD
University of Washington

Richard H. Ebright, Ph.D.
Rutgers University

Angela Rasmussen, PhD
Columbia Mailman School of Public Health

Seth Trueger, MD, MPH
Northwestern University

Megan Ranney, MD, MPH
Brown University & GetUsPPE

Sanjat Kanjilal MD, MPH
Harvard Medical School, Brigham & Women's Hospital

Joan Casey, PhD
Columbia University Mailman School of Public Health

Karen Thickman, PhD
University of Washington, Department of Microbiology

Valerie Bengal, MD, FAAFP former UCSF Associate Clinical Professor
UC Santa Cruz and Capacitar International

Reshma Ramachandran, MD, MPP
National Clinician Scholars Program, Yale School of Medicine

Howard Forman, MD, MBA
Yale University

Ryan Marino, MD
Case Western Reserve University

Eric Goralnick, MD, MS
Brigham and Women’s Hospital/Harvard Medical School

Wade Berrettini, MD, PhD
University of Pennsylvania Perelman School of Medicine

Janet Perlman, MD, MPH
UCSF

David Rosen, MD, PhD
Washington University School of Medicine

Drew Schwartz, MD, PhD
Washington University School of Medicine

Krysia Lindan, MD, MS
University of California, San Francisco

Yaneer Bar-Yam, PhD
New England Complex Systems Institute

Margaret Handley, PhD, MPH
University of California San Francisco, Department of Epidemiology and Medicine

Thomas Lietman, MD
UCSF

Travis Porco, PhD, MPH
University of California, San Francisco

Veronica Miller, PhD
UC Berkeley School of Public Health

Kenneth Rosenberg, MD, MPH
PHSU-PSU School of Public Health

Jason Newland, MD
Washington University

Elizabeth Jacobs, PhD
Department of Epidemiology and Biostatistics, University of Arizona

Fern P. Nelson, M.D.
Veterans Administration Hospital

James Gaudino, MD, MS, MPH, FACPM
OHSU-PSU School of Public Health & Gaudino Consulting

Bruce Agins, MD, MPH
UCSF

Bonnica Zuckerman, MPH
UVM

Paul Song, MD
PNHP

Katherine Villers, MUA
Community Catalyst

Bethany Letiecq, PhD
George Mason University

Vineet Arora, MD, MAPP
University of Chicago and IMPACT4HC

Pete DeBalli, MD
UCF School of Medicine

Carrie Beckman, PharmD
UC Health

Krys Johnson, PhD, MPH
Temple University

Aalim Weljie, Ph.D. University of Pennsylvania

Michael Kelly, PhD, MSW
Loyola University Chicago School of Social Work

Kevin Foskett, PhD
University of Pennsylvania

John Hansen-Flaschen, MD
University of Pennsylvania

Garret FitzGerald, MD
University of Pennsylvania

Amy Humrichouser, MD
University of Michigan

Aurora Horstkamp, MD
Washington State University

Timothy Ellender, MD
Indiana University

Christine Brewer, MSW, MSN, RN
Villanova University

Pamela Norton, PhD
Drexel University College of Medicine

Diane McKay, Psy.D.
LECOM

Kay Mattson, MSW, MPH
Independent international Public Health Consultant

Dominique Ruggieri, PhD
School of Medicine and Center for Public Health Initiatives, University of Pennsylvania

Eve Bloomgarden, MD
Northwestern University and IMPACT4HC

Nicole Theodoropoulos, MD
UMass Memorial Medical Center

Catherine Marsh, B.A.
EndCoronavirus.org

Patricia Harper, MA
San Bernardino Balley College

Jamie Burke
Colorado State University

Jessica Garfield-Blake, MEd
Knox Trail Middle School Teacher

Jerry Soucy, RN, CHPN
Death Nurse, LLC

Jonathan Moreno, PhD
University of Pennsylvania

Lana Fishkin, MD
Thomas Jefferson University

Jack Colford, MD, MPH, PhD
UC Berkeley

Rohini Haar, MD, MPH
UC Berkeley School of Public Health

Maimuna Majumder, PhD, MPH
Boston Children's Hospital & Harvard Medical School

Sangeeta Ahluwalia, PhD
RAND Corporation/UCLA

Laura Whiteley, MD
Brown University

Patience Afulani, PhD
UCSF

Vernon Chinchilli, PhD
Penn State College of Medicine

Pamina Gorbach, DrPH
Fielding School of Public Health, UCLA

Judith Hahn, PhD
University of California, San Francisco

Benjamin Lerman, MD
Alta Bates Summit Medical Center

William Davidson, M.D.
PNHP

E John Wherry, PhD
University of Pennsylvania

Mary Sullivan, RN, DNP
University of Massachusetts Medical School

Mark Cullen, MD
Stanford University

Nathan Wong, PhD
University of California, Irvine

Resa M. Jones, PhD, MPH
Temple University

Brandie Taylor, PhD
Temple University

Ondine von Ehrenstein, PhD, MPH
Fielding School of Public Health, UCLA

James Fletcher, MD, FACEP
Brody School of Medicine at East Carolina University

Meenakshi Bewtra, MD, MPH, PhD
University of Pennsylvania

David Albright, MD
UPMC

Michael Gough, MD
Catholic Health System of Buffalo and University at Buffalo Jacobs School of Medicine

Dianne Friedman, Ph.D.
Retired university professor

Karen Walter
University of Washington

Robin Taylor Wilson, PhD
Department of Epidemiology and Biostatistics, College of Public Health, Temple University

Janice Nash, RN, MSN, DNP
Carlow University College of Health and Wellness

Marsha Ellias-Frankel, MSW
American Association of Marriage & Family Therapists

Mae Sakharov, Ed D
Bucks County Community College

Mae Sakharov, MA, MED, EdD
Bucks County Community College

Brenna Riethmiller, MLIS
EndCoronavirus.org

Shakuntala Choudhury, PhD<
Statistical Research & Consulting LLC

Simin Li
NIST, EndCoronavirus.org, University of Maryland

Jeremy Rossman, PhD
Research-Aid Networks

Judith B Clinco, RN
Catalina In Home Services

Kari-Ann Hunter Thompson, PhD Student
Walden University

Aaron Green, PhD
Iridium Consulting

Kate Sugarman, MD
Unity Health Care

Joaquín Beltrán BA
Speak Up America, EndCoronavirus.org

Susan Safford, Ph.D.
Lincoln University of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania

Graciela Jaschek, PhD, MPH
Temple University

Betelihem Tobo, PhD
Temple University

Michelle Davis, Phd
MSD Consulting

Maggie Baker, Ph.D.
Baker & Baker Associates

David Tuller, DrPH
School of Public Health, UC Berkeley

Ernest Wang, MD, FACEP
NorthShore University Health System

Ramzi Nahhas, PhD
Wright State University

Rhoda Pappert, MBA, MHA, FACHE, RN
Retired, University of Pittsburgh Medical Center

Christine Severance, D.O.
Doc Moms

Neil Sehgal, Ph.D, M.P.H.
University of Maryland School of Public Health

Antonio Gutierrez, CPL
United States Marine Corps

Mary McWilliams, MA
College Community Schools, Retired

Kristine Siefert, PhD, MPH
The University of Michigan

Deborah Cohan, MD, MPH
Professor, University of California San Francisco

Sherry Bassi, EdD, PHCNS,BC
University of CT , Western NMU (retired )

Anna Valdez, Ph.D., RN
Sonoma State University

Elizabeth Chamberlain, PhD
University of Colorado Anschutz SOM

Cameron Mura, PhD
University of Virginia

Elizabeth (Libby) Schaefer, MD, MPH
Harvard Medical School/Kaiser Permanente

Joyce Millen, PhD, MPH
Willamette University

Dina Ghosh, MD
Montefiore Medical Center

Jacob Newcomb, MD
VEP Healthcare

Sarah Friedland, LPC, LCMHC, ACS, DRCC
Volunteers of America

Neil Korman, MD, PhD
University Hospitals Cleveland Medical Center

Maura McLaughlin, MD
Blue Ridge Family Practice

Lynn Ringenberg, MD
Physicians for Social Responsibility/Florida

Krisztian Magori, PhD
Eastern Washington University

Timothy McLaughlin, MD
Blue Ridge Family Practice

Brian Thorndyke, PhD
Indiana University School of Medicine

Vee Martinez, Medical Assistant
Uci

Denise Somsak, MD
Pediatrician

Jeannine Tennyson, BSN, RN
School Nurse

Mark Peifer, PhD
UNC-Chapel Hill, Department of Biology

Marvin Brooke MD, MS
University of Washington

Michael Halasy, DHSc, MS, PA-C
Mayo Clinic

Kendal Maxwell, PhD
Cedars-Sinai Medical Center

Richard Reeves, MD, FACP
RAR Consulting LLC (Clinical Pharmacologist)

Brenden La Faive, EMT
WI Licensed EMT EMS

Gina Tartarelli, OT
Baystate

John Holmes, PhD
University Pennsylvania Perelman School of Medicine

Ramnath Subbaraman MD, MSc
Tufts University School of Medicine

Vi Tran, MSW
Kaiser Permanente Washington Health Research Institute

Anne Rimoin, PhD, MPH
UCLA Fielding School of Public Health

Marcella Smithson, M.S., MPH, LMFT
CAMFT

Steven Pergam, MD, MPH

Linda Girgis, MD

Dipesh Patel MPH

Mariposa Mccall, MD

Timothy Sankary, MD, MPH

Anthony Orvedahl, MD, PhD

Stanley Weiss, MD, FACP, FACE, FRCP Edin.

Cathie Currie, PhD

Pamela Koehler, JD, MPH

Daisy Sherry, PhD, ACNP-BC

Joyce Garrison, PhD

Susan Walker, MS

Jeffrey Cohn, MD, MHCM

Jared Rubenstein, MD

Marian Betz, MD, MPH

Ann Batista, MD

Morgan Eutermoser, MD

Marc Futernick, MD

Farheen Qurashi, MD, FACS

Megan Whitman, MD

Iris Riggs, PhD

Catherine Cowley-Cooper, RN

Michael Core, MD

Jason Ayres, MD

Craig Norquist, MD

Vasilis Pozios, MD

Michael Becker, DO, MS

Alan Peterson, MD

Kay Vandenberg, MD, FACOG

Melissa Freeman, MD

Robin Aronow, MA

Syra Madad, DHSc, MSc, MCP

Reid Masters, MD

Keelin Garvey, MD

Laurence Carroll, MD

Constance Regan, Ed.D

Cynthia Baum-Baicker, Ph.D.

Ilene Tannenbaum, NP

Virginia Soules, MD

Jean Goodloe, DO

Lindsay Martin, PhD

Teresa Brandt, MD

Annamaria Murray, RN

Judith F. Rand, PhD

Victor Ilegbodu, MD, PhD, MPH

Rebecca Benson, MHA, PBT(ASCP)MLT CM, CHCO, QMBHC

Stanley Weiss, MD, FACP, FACE, FRCP Edin.

Carol Leslie, Chief Program Officer

Briggs Clinco, In-Home Care Client Coordinator

Baruch Blum, BS

Theo Allen, BS

Eunice Wong, BFA, E-RYT, CPT

Michael Hertz, MD, MPH

Patrick Keschl, LPN, NHA

Michael Hertz, MD, MPH

Constance Walker, MD, MA, MPH

Shauna Laughna, PhD

Jeremy Ogusky, MPH

Amparo Adkins, MSN, RN

Kate Shinberg, RN

Sally Rosenfeld, MD

Andrew Frank, MD

Lynn Santillo, RN

Regina Goetz, PharmD, PhD

Martha Christie, MA, Pharm.D

James Perez, MS

Martha Christie MA, Pharm.D

Lise Spiegel, PhD

David Hanson, MD

Jennifer Castro, M. Ed

Oleh Hnatiuk, MD, FACP, FCCP

Elizabeth Holder, JD

Maryanne Llave, RN

Jason Deutsch, MD

Monica Modi, MD

Eric Mueller, MD

Xuan Le, M.D

Tanya Wiseman, BSN,RN

Raul Easton-Carr, M.D.,M.P.H.

Brandon Crossley, CNA

Michelle Crossley, RN

Jacob Malone, RN

Kanika Blunt, RN

Luiza Davila, Healthcare specialist

Barbara McCoy, Teacher

G. J. Ledoux, PhD

Jane Corrarino, DNP, RN, C

Theresa DeLuca, RN

Allison Williams-Wroblewski, Pharm.D.

Macklin Guzman, DHSc, MPH

William David Wick, PhD

Joanna Harran, AGACNP-BC, MSN, APRN, RN

Michael Manning, BS, LMT (3rd year med student)

Karen Smith, DNP, FNP-BC

Monty Bradford, RN

Dominique Motta, RN, BSN, CPN

Russell Etheridge, BSN, RN, CNML

Ariana Ornelas, RN

Sherry Wells, AEMT

[Serk]

Shut it down now, and start over.

...

You should bar non-essential interstate travel. When people travel freely between states, the good numbers in one state can go bad quickly.

[Jess from VA]

Hospitals will be paid $50,000 per eligible admission.

Well gee, I was barely affected by all childhood diseases, always been exceedingly healthy and easily get over viruses. 

So if I volunteer to get infected, with immediate best inpatient treatment (and my good insurance), I wonder will a hospital split that fee with me 50/50... or maybe even 60/40?  Better yet, we could just fake it, maybe several times.       

[Valkorado]

Shut it down now, and start over.

...

You should bar non-essential interstate travel. When people travel freely between states, the good numbers in one state can go bad quickly.

    I'm with Archer!

[Serk]

   I'm with Archer!

[scooperhsd]

After the cockup they did from March until now - do you really think the American people are willing to listen to more opinions and go through an indeterminate amount of lockdown again? I sure as hell won't do it. I would expect nothing short of a revolution to happen if they try - no matter the consequences.

[Willow]

Don't shoot the messenger.  I do not support mandated lockdowns.

Shut it down, start over, do it right

An open letter to America’s decision makers, on behalf of health professionals across the country.

https://uspirg.org/resources/usp/shut-it-down-start-over-do-it-right
...

A valid demonstration that modern education does not rule out the possibility of stupidity.

[3fan4life]

You will find that most Epidemiologist are extremely intelligent germaphobes  with ZERO common sense.

[Valkorado]

   I'm with Archer!

He knows what's good and "lives" without shame.  Gotta love him!   

[Robert]

Can you say global warming? Same doomsday predictions, same false figures, same experts ridiculing anyone with dissenting opinions, same millions spent, businesses destroyed, lives ruined, and after we find that yes the world is changing but, not as dramatically as they predicted. Many made huge sums of money from it, electric cars came out of it and yet we see the results.

The war on terror, invade a country, change policies enact laws and with what results?

We forever alter the landscape of the US, with predictions made by some with no real answers on a solution and we spend huge sums of money and live in terror.

The real question is when are we going to learn that mans predictions on destruction are usually for a purpose, get money, enforce control, keep the sheep in fear and make government the answer. All justified by experts, when are we going to learn to see the truth?

I want to know what we are spending 175 billion on of taxpayer money.

[Valkorado]

Record numbers of coronavirus cases in every global region

https://www.foxbusiness.com/lifestyle/record-numbers-of-coronavirus-cases-in-every-global-region-reuters-tally

[Robert]

599 billion dollars has been transferred into the 1% hands in the past few months. 101 billion of that went to 5 people Jeff Bezos, Zuckerburg,Bill Gates,Warren Buffett and Larry Ellison.

No one is commenting on the psychological damage done to people over all these acts. Not only of the Covid, closing the economy, riots, injustice and outright criminal acts.

[..]

More from the asylum.


https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/stacey-lennox/2020/07/24/absurd-arizona-schools-not-opening-in-the-fall-plan-to-charge-200-week-for-childcare-n696440

[Robert]

Coronavirus cases top 4 million in America. @DrBobHariri
 is on “Justice” with the information you need to know about the safety of a vaccine.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1287204136396771328

95% of the people are mild.

Therapeutic approach will serve people better.

[scooperhsd]

Coronavirus cases top 4 million in America. @DrBobHariri
 is on “Justice” with the information you need to know about the safety of a vaccine.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1287204136396771328

95% of the people are mild.

Therapeutic approach will serve people better.

No kidding.

Of that 95% that are mild - we don't have any clue on how many are asymptomatic - not showing ANY signs of C-19. Estimates of 40-60% for those lucky people, who may or may not be spreading it unknowingly. There is also some unknown percentage of people who are essentially naturally immune from C-19, and won't ever catch it.

The only way you could get any real handle on this is to massively increase testing to everyone possible on a regular basis - at least weekly - more often the better. But said test has to be fast and require minimal human intervention to produce a valid result, and not cost an arm and leg to give. I've never had a reason to be tested, and haven't been to this point. Some people just have bad enough allergies that mild symptoms would be covered up by their usual immune system responses - think of those people who suffer bad hayfever / mold allergies.

[Serk]

My father-in-law's cousin died from COVID related complications on Friday. This brings me to 3 deaths within 1 degree of separation from my family now...

And I still will keep on living until I don't. I think CS Lewis' poignant commentary under the threat of nuclear war from 1948 are very appropriate, just replace nuclear war with COVID-19:

In one way we think a great deal too much of the atomic bomb. “How are we to live in an atomic age?” I am tempted to reply: “Why, as you would have lived in the sixteenth century when the plague visited London almost every year, or as you would have lived in a Viking age when raiders from Scandinavia might land and cut your throat any night; or indeed, as you are already living in an age of cancer, an age of syphilis, an age of paralysis, an age of air raids, an age of railway accidents, an age of motor accidents.”

In other words, do not let us begin by exaggerating the novelty of our situation. Believe me, dear sir or madam, you and all whom you love were already sentenced to death before the atomic bomb was invented: and quite a high percentage of us were going to die in unpleasant ways. We had, indeed, one very great advantage over our ancestors—anesthetics; but we have that still. It is perfectly ridiculous to go about whimpering and drawing long faces because the scientists have added one more chance of painful and premature death to a world which already bristled with such chances and in which death itself was not a chance at all, but a certainty.

This is the first point to be made: and the first action to be taken is to pull ourselves together. If we are all going to be destroyed by an atomic bomb, let that bomb when it comes find us doing sensible and human things—praying, working, teaching, reading, listening to music, bathing the children, playing tennis, chatting to our friends over a pint and a game of darts—not huddled together like frightened sheep and thinking about bombs. They may break our bodies (a microbe can do that) but they need not dominate our minds.

— “On Living in an Atomic Age” (1948) C.S. Lewis

[Willow]

Let me put my exclamation point on Serk's and C.S.Lewis's assessment.

I'm a numbers guy.  Let me share some observations with you. 

Looking at the world COVID-19 statistics the U.S. appear to be responsible for 26.7% of the cases, 23.0% of the deaths, and 24.6% of the new cases.  Does this seem reasonably possible to anyone?  Someone is either under reporting or over reporting or both.  The U.S. doesn't hold 25% of the world's population or even the world's advanced urban like population.

Something we are being told is simply not true.

[Valkorado]

The premise that we all live until we die is undeniable.  It is also fact that there are many things that can kill us.  Statistically, many things kill more people than C-19.

These truths stray from the topic.

Much like everybody else, I live my life on a daily basis.  I admittedly like  to keep tabs on the largest global pandemic in our lifetimes.  I am not afraid if it, but I'm cautious.

[Serk]

The premise that we all live until we die is undeniable.  It is also fact that there are many things that can kill us.  Statistically, many things kill more people than C-19.

These truths stray from the topic.

Much like everybody else, I live my life on a daily basis.  I admittedly like  to keep tabs on the largest global pandemic in our lifetimes.  I am not afraid if it, but I'm cautious.

I too like to stay on top of the news of the day, and these days COVID-19 is a large part of that. But our (The collective us, not you and me) reaction to it is also worthy of being discussed, IMHO, as a valid part of the greater discussion of the virus itself.

[Valkorado]

The premise that we all live until we die is undeniable.  It is also fact that there are many things that can kill us.  Statistically, many things kill more people than C-19.

These truths stray from the topic.

Much like everybody else, I live my life on a daily basis.  I admittedly like  to keep tabs on the largest global pandemic in our lifetimes.  I am not afraid if it, but I'm cautious.

I too like to stay on top of the news of the day, and these days COVID-19 is a large part of that. But our (The collective us, not you and me) reaction to it is also worthy of being discussed, IMHO, as a valid part of the greater discussion of the virus itself.

I think "the collective us" should remember that our powers are very much limited to our votes, unless "we" decide civil disobedience on an individual scale or revolution on a larger scale is called for.

I think on the fundamental issues we are seeing eye to eye.  No mandates!  Beyond that, do what ya gotta do to enjoy life.

[Valkorado]

Looking at the world COVID-19 statistics the U.S. appear to be responsible for 26.7% of the cases, 23.0% of the deaths, and 24.6% of the new cases.  Does this seem reasonably possible to anyone?  

Nope.  China, Iran, North Korea,  Russia and others are very likely manipulating numbers (lying) for their own interests. South Africa is looking like they're gonna have a heckuva tough time, and depending on how they report the numbers that we all know and love   they may very well be adjusted.  Heck, this thing looks to be around awhile, someone may even knock us out of our reported first place position -- if you believe that's where we stand.

What I'm saying is the United States does have a bit of a coronavirus problem.  It isn't near over.  It is what it is.

[scooperhsd]

Let me put my exclamation point on Serk's and C.S.Lewis's assessment.

I'm a numbers guy.  Let me share some observations with you. 

Looking at the world COVID-19 statistics the U.S. appear to be responsible for 26.7% of the cases, 23.0% of the deaths, and 24.6% of the new cases.  Does this seem reasonably possible to anyone?  Someone is either under reporting or over reporting or both.  The U.S. doesn't hold 25% of the world's population or even the world's advanced urban like population.

Something we are being told is simply not true.

1. Everybody else in the world is under-reporting C-19 deaths
2. We are over-reporting C-19 deaths

One or both of these is true. I would almost certainly count on #2 being true. Because if #1 is true and #2 isn't - there needs to be a serious reckoning of those responsible. For that matter - if #2 is true you can say the same thing.

[Valkorado]

Let me put my exclamation point on Serk's and C.S.Lewis's assessment.

I'm a numbers guy.  Let me share some observations with you. 

Looking at the world COVID-19 statistics the U.S. appear to be responsible for 26.7% of the cases, 23.0% of the deaths, and 24.6% of the new cases.  Does this seem reasonably possible to anyone?  Someone is either under reporting or over reporting or both.  The U.S. doesn't hold 25% of the world's population or even the world's advanced urban like population.

Something we are being told is simply not true.

1. Everybody else in the world is under-reporting C-19 deaths
2. We are over-reporting C-19 deaths

One or both of these is true. I would almost certainly count on #2 being true. Because if #1 is true and #2 isn't - there needs to be a serious reckoning of those responsible. For that matter - if #2 is true you can say the same thing.

Then there's that possibility that everybody is underreporting.   

https://www.foxnews.com/health/us-deaths-during-coronavirus-outbreak-period-were-179k-higher-usual-report

Who the hell knows for sure?

[Willow]

Let me put my exclamation point on Serk's and C.S.Lewis's assessment.

I'm a numbers guy.  Let me share some observations with you. 

Looking at the world COVID-19 statistics the U.S. appear to be responsible for 26.7% of the cases, 23.0% of the deaths, and 24.6% of the new cases.  Does this seem reasonably possible to anyone?  Someone is either under reporting or over reporting or both.  The U.S. doesn't hold 25% of the world's population or even the world's advanced urban like population.

Something we are being told is simply not true.

1. Everybody else in the world is under-reporting C-19 deaths
2. We are over-reporting C-19 deaths

One or both of these is true. I would almost certainly count on #2 being true. Because if #1 is true and #2 isn't - there needs to be a serious reckoning of those responsible. For that matter - if #2 is true you can say the same thing.

I would agree with you completely if you include "Almost" in number 1 and then I believe both are true.

[Robert]

Has China's Military Deeply Infiltrated US Medical Research?

Submitted by Lawrence Sellin, Ph.D. is a retired U.S. Army Reserve colonel, who previously worked at the U.S. Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases and conducted basic and clinical research in the pharmaceutical industry. He is a member of the Citizens Commission on National Security.

https://ccnationalsecurity.org/has-chinas-military-deeply-infiltrated-u-s-medical-research/

t is a widely accepted fact that China has stolen U.S. intellectual property worth billions of dollars.

The U.S. government recently ordered the closure of the Chinese consulate in Houston, Texas, which Senator Marco Rubio (R-FL) described as a “central node of the Communist Party’s vast network of spies & influence operations in the United States.”

At virtually the same time, the U.S. Department of Justice indicted two Chinese nationals for seeking to steal COVID-19 vaccine research and hacking hundreds of companies in the United States and abroad, including defense contractors.

[Willow]

Let me put my exclamation point on Serk's and C.S.Lewis's assessment.

I'm a numbers guy.  Let me share some observations with you. 

Looking at the world COVID-19 statistics the U.S. appear to be responsible for 26.7% of the cases, 23.0% of the deaths, and 24.6% of the new cases.  Does this seem reasonably possible to anyone?  Someone is either under reporting or over reporting or both.  The U.S. doesn't hold 25% of the world's population or even the world's advanced urban like population.

Something we are being told is simply not true.

1. Everybody else in the world is under-reporting C-19 deaths
2. We are over-reporting C-19 deaths

One or both of these is true. I would almost certainly count on #2 being true. Because if #1 is true and #2 isn't - there needs to be a serious reckoning of those responsible. For that matter - if #2 is true you can say the same thing.

Then there's that possibility that everybody is underreporting.   

https://www.foxnews.com/health/us-deaths-during-coronavirus-outbreak-period-were-179k-higher-usual-report

Who the hell knows for sure?

That deaths are up is no surprise.  The rather ignorant application of "mitigation" procedures resulting in isolation, business shutdowns, and skyrocketing unemployment certainly adds some deaths to the expected number.  The reported overcrowding of hospitals, true or not, undoubtedly resulted in some folks kept away from the hospitals that may have saved their lives. 

What is confusing is that traffic deaths should have fallen off as people were driving less.

Reporting numbers by state is very misleading.  An example is that New York was reported as the highest concentration of deaths for quite some time but our friends in upstate New York will confirm that their areas were more among the lowest numbers in the country.

Why, I do, Valkarado.  I'm surprised you should ask.  I do find the reference to Hell unnecessary.  I don't believe Hell knows.   

[Valkorado]

Let me put my exclamation point on Serk's and C.S.Lewis's assessment.

I'm a numbers guy.  Let me share some observations with you. 

Looking at the world COVID-19 statistics the U.S. appear to be responsible for 26.7% of the cases, 23.0% of the deaths, and 24.6% of the new cases.  Does this seem reasonably possible to anyone?  Someone is either under reporting or over reporting or both.  The U.S. doesn't hold 25% of the world's population or even the world's advanced urban like population.

Something we are being told is simply not true.

1. Everybody else in the world is under-reporting C-19 deaths
2. We are over-reporting C-19 deaths

One or both of these is true. I would almost certainly count on #2 being true. Because if #1 is true and #2 isn't - there needs to be a serious reckoning of those responsible. For that matter - if #2 is true you can say the same thing.

Then there's that possibility that everybody is underreporting.   

https://www.foxnews.com/health/us-deaths-during-coronavirus-outbreak-period-were-179k-higher-usual-report

Who the hell knows for sure?

That deaths are up is no surprise.  The rather ignorant application of "mitigation" procedures resulting in isolation, business shutdowns, and skyrocketing unemployment certainly adds some deaths to the expected number.  The reported overcrowding of hospitals, true or not, undoubtedly resulted in some folks kept away from the hospitals that may have saved their lives. 

What is confusing is that traffic deaths should have fallen off as people were driving less.

Reporting numbers by state is very misleading.  An example is that New York was reported as the highest concentration of deaths for quite some time but our friends in upstate New York will confirm that their areas were more among the lowest numbers in the country.

Why, I do, Valkarado.  I'm surprised you should ask.  I do find the reference to Hell unnecessary.  I don't believe Hell knows.   

Willow, I put little faith in numbers when experts are crunching them.  I pay little attention to, and put considerably less faith in, your interpretation of the data.

[Willow]

Willow, I put little faith in numbers when experts are crunching them.  I pay little attention to, and put considerably less faith in, your interpretation of the data.

Wow!  That was harsh but it does delineate the differences and similarities in our views.  On the first point we are in tight alignment.  On the second point we are more than miles apart.   

[Valkorado]

Willow, I put little faith in numbers when experts are crunching them.  I pay little attention to, and put considerably less faith in, your interpretation of the data.

Wow!  That was harsh but it does delineate the differences and similarities in our views.  On the first point we are in tight alignment.  On the second point we are more than miles apart.   

And I'm OK with that!   

[Valkorado]

Brian Brenberg: Coronavirus stimulus serving as a 'vehicle' for Dems' progressive agenda

https://www.foxnews.com/media/brian-brenberg-coronavirus-stimulus-serving-as-a-vehicle-democratic-agenda

"Republicans need to go to the country with a pro-growth agenda, with something that gets people back to work. That makes sense to people intuitively. They know pork when they see it. And, they know growth when they see it," he said.

"I think Republicans have to do a much better job of putting that on the line clearly and not starting from a weak position when they negotiate with Speaker Pelosi," the Fox News contributor concluded.


https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/jul/27/stephen-moore-gop-should-start-over-again-coronavi/


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/democrats-seek-to-limit-federal-patrols-in-cities-through-coronavirus-relief-bill-schumer-says/ar-BB17eYm2

Might as well toss law and order out the window as well, Chuck.   

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8564619/Google-employees-home-summer-2021-amid-pandemic-WSJ.html


Google will keep its 200,000 employees working from home until at least July NEXT YEAR

[Serk]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8564619/Google-employees-home-summer-2021-amid-pandemic-WSJ.html


Google will keep its 200,000 employees working from home until at least July NEXT YEAR

Really for 99% of office workers, especially tech types, this should be permanent.... I haven't worked in an office in nearly a decade now, and am far more productive because of it...

[DDT (12)]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8564619/Google-employees-home-summer-2021-amid-pandemic-WSJ.html


Google will keep its 200,000 employees working from home until at least July NEXT YEAR

Really for 99% of office workers, especially tech types, this should be permanent.... I haven't worked in an office in nearly a decade now, and am far more productive because of it...

Serk,

Heck, I haven't worked in an office in more than two decades, myself! And, as far as I'm concerned, I too am far more productive!!!

DDT