Coronavirus $hit be getting real

[Serk]

And now here comes the profit motive of Policing for Fun and Profit...     

https://reason.com/2020/07/27/miami-police-setting-up-mask-traps-issuing-100-fines-to-people-wearing-masks-improperly/

[Valkorado]

State of Texas switches to death certificate data to tally coronavirus deaths

https://www.wfaa.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/texas-switches-to-death-certificate-data-tally-coronavirus-deaths/287-92f91fe9-06e3-45d4-bb81-2ae4e77237e0

"The state will report a death as being caused by COVID-19 if a medical certifier determines COVID-19 directly caused a person's death.

This doesn't include deaths where a person had COVID-19 but died of another, unrelated cause, the state health department said Monday.



As of Monday, Texas health officials reported 5,713 fatalities that were identified by death certificates, including 44 new deaths on Monday.

That total is significantly higher than the 5,038 fatalities reported Sunday when the state used data from local health departments."


https://www.houstonpublicmedia.org/articles/news/health-science/coronavirus/2020/07/27/378648/texas-count-of-coronavirus-deaths-jumps-12-after-officials-change-the-way-they-tally-covid-19-fatalities/

[98valk]

State of Texas switches to death certificate data to tally coronavirus deaths

https://www.wfaa.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/texas-switches-to-death-certificate-data-tally-coronavirus-deaths/287-92f91fe9-06e3-45d4-bb81-2ae4e77237e0

"The state will report a death as being caused by COVID-19 if a medical certifier determines COVID-19 directly caused a person's death.

This doesn't include deaths where a person had COVID-19 but died of another, unrelated cause, the state health department said Monday.

As of Monday, Texas health officials reported 5,713 fatalities that were identified by death certificates, including 44 new deaths on Monday.

That total is significantly higher than the 5,038 fatalities reported Sunday when the state used data from local health departments."

are doing the blood test to prove C19 was the cause or are they just assuming like the CDC told them to do? hospitals and their CEOs get more m fed money if its c19.

[Willow]

This is the daily report from the county in which I reside:

___________________________________________________________________
As of July 27, Johnson County has:
4,538 positive cases of COVID-19 (increase of 258 since 7/24)
6.5% positive of those tested (a .1% increase since 7/24)
94 deaths (decrease of 2 deaths since 7/24)
66,725 negative tests have been reported to date (increase of 2,622 since yesterday)
1,844 presumed recovered (increase of 221 since 7/24)
____________________________________________________________________

Notice a reduction of two deaths since Friday.  Does that mean that two of the COVID-19 fatalities have arisen from the dead?   

[Valkorado]

https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-europe-hit-by-2nd-wave-lockdown-restrictions-boris-johnson-2020-7?amp

https://journalstar.com/news/world/the-latest-madrid-tightens-coronavirus-restrictions/article_4155f9c4-0bdb-5e88-86e2-63a24fdff98b.html

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-53566880

https://www.foxnews.com/world/france-prepares-for-potential-second-wave-as-coronavirus-cases-creep-back-up


From NYT:
All spikes aren’t equal
Much of the world is now coping with a coronavirus resurgence.

The number of new daily cases has risen more than 20 percent in both Europe and Canada over the past week. It’s up about 40 percent in Australia and Japan. Hong Kong reported 145 cases yesterday, its highest one-day count yet and the sixth straight day of more than 100 new cases.

All of these increases are worrisome reminders that crushing the virus is not a one-time event, at least not until a vaccine is available. It involves constant vigilance.

As countries take steps toward more normal functioning — reopening schools, workplaces and restaurants, for instance — they will often spark new outbreaks, which in turn will require more tests, quarantines and even limited lockdowns.

And yet all of these places are in a very different situation from the United States:

Even with the recent surges, the outbreaks elsewhere are much more contained and manageable than in the U.S. The U.S. has had about 15 times as many confirmed new cases, per capita, as Canada over the past week and 12 times as many as Hong Kong or Europe.

As a result, these other places still have the chance to keep their recent outbreaks from turning into something worse. Hong Kong has prohibited restaurant dining, limited public gatherings to two people and required mask-wearing in public at all times. Belgium is limiting people’s social contacts outside their family to the same five people over the next four weeks.

Much of the U.S. is responding less aggressively, even though its outbreak is more severe. Until that changes, many parts of the U.S. reopening — schools, pro sports and more — are likely to suffer setbacks, epidemiologists say.

[Serk]

Well, I'm screwed.....

Men over 6ft are TWICE as likely to get infected, study claims

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8568125/Men-6ft-TWICE-likely-infected-Covid-19-study-claims.html

[Valkorado]

Well, I'm screwed.....

Men over 6ft are TWICE as likely to get infected, study claims

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8568125/Men-6ft-TWICE-likely-infected-Covid-19-study-claims.html

   Probably THRICE as likely in your case, then.

[Jess from VA]

Well, I'm screwed.....

Men over 6ft are TWICE as likely to get infected, study claims

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8568125/Men-6ft-TWICE-likely-infected-Covid-19-study-claims.html

That's not good.  (the air up there is apparently not better)

I suppose you could bend over and ambulate around like the hunchback of Notre Dame whenever in public.  

Throw in some old clothes and use a Boris Carloff (or Marty Feldman) impression voice and you'd really have something.    

Everyone would be sure to maintain extra good distance too.  

Or not.  (sorry)

[Serk]

It all makes sense now! I remember seeing this meme a week or two back, they were getting us ready for the next order after we're used to wearing masks everywhere! 

[..]

Sitting at my local bar. Big windows give a good view of the patio.

Only 8 bar stools so that some social distancing occurs.

Mask wearers walk down the street.

Walk across the patio.

Enter the bar and if a seat is available take it.

Then remove their mask so as to be able to drink.

Once finished the mask is replaced and off they go.

Some patio diners also appear masked.

Order at the walk up window.

Take a seat at their designated table.

A masked server approaches with their food and drink.

Customers remove their mask or dangle it from an ear so as to eat and drink.

When finished some apply hand sanitizer.

Masks are replaced and off they go.

[Robert]

Well we may not have to worry about Wuhan any more since it looks like China's Three Gorges Dam may be On The Edge Of Failure. If this happens about 400 million people live downstream of the dam and apparently, no plans have been made for their evacuation. There is already mass flooding and many people have died and lost life and property, but we dont hear this on the news.


https://youtu.be/5O1w2UelZZQ

https://youtu.be/1AeCyM0DfoM

[3fan4life]

Well we may not have to worry about Wuhan any more since it looks like China's Three Gorges Dam may be On The Edge Of Failure. If this happens about 400 million people live downstream of the dam and apparently, no plans have been made for their evacuation. There is already mass flooding and many people have died and lost life and property, but we dont hear this on the news.


https://youtu.be/5O1w2UelZZQ

https://youtu.be/1AeCyM0DfoM

Mass flooding sure would be a good way to destroy any evidence that the virus was intentionally manufactured.

[Willow]

Well we may not have to worry about Wuhan any more since it looks like China's Three Gorges Dam may be On The Edge Of Failure. If this happens about 400 million people live downstream of the dam and apparently, no plans have been made for their evacuation. There is already mass flooding and many people have died and lost life and property, but we dont hear this on the news.


https://youtu.be/5O1w2UelZZQ

https://youtu.be/1AeCyM0DfoM

Mass flooding sure would be a good way to destroy any evidence that the virus was intentionally manufactured.

For what it's worth, China is taking great lengths to protect Wuhan from flooding.  There's more there than what we connect with COVID-19.

[Serk]

Herman Cain, a former presidential hopeful, has died after being hospitalized with the coronavirus. He was 74.

We lost a good man today... 

[..]

R.I.P. Herman Cain.

[Valkorado]

Yes, RIP Herman Cain.    Good man for sure.  Depending on how things unfolded, he might have had my vote -- before all the sexual bs (IMO) allegations knocked him out if it.

Serk, not to pick bones but I remember you recently stating in another thread that most of the dead would be so in 12 months anyway, or something to that effect.  In the case of Herman and many others, I do not believe that to be the case.

[Serk]

Serk, not to pick bones but I remember you saying in another thread most of the rear would be so in 12 months anyway, or something to that effect.  In the case of Herman and many others, I do not believe that too be the case.

Point taken, but most != all...

[Valkorado]

Serk, not to pick bones but I remember you saying in another thread most of the rear would be so in 12 months anyway, or something to that effect.  In the case of Herman and many others, I do not believe that too be the case.

Point taken, but most != all...

But perhaps "many" in the grave that weren't dead folks walking before infection.

[scooperhsd]

Eh - don't think so. Even if they hadn't gotten the Covid, it's quite likely the next flu strain (especially if they didn't get vaccinated for that strain) would have. At least the elderly.

[Valkorado]

Eh - don't think so. Even if they hadn't gotten the Covid, it's quite likely the next flu strain (especially if they didn't get vaccinated for that strain) would have. At least the elderly.

[..]

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/matt-margolis/2020/07/30/dr-fauci-now-wants-us-to-wear-goggles-as-extra-protection-from-covid-19-n731714

F F S.

He's also now saying that children 9 or older can contract and spread the plague to other children and adults.


What next? Back to wearing gloves and washing groceries again???

[scooperhsd]

I didn't wear gloves or wash groceries the FIRST time !!

[Serk]

Thread drift but I learned something today.... Reading Lt. Col Allen West's Facebook post about Mr. Cain's passing, he mentioned he'd had Mr. Cain visiting him at his home in Garland just a month ago.

Garland is the town next to mine;  I started digging, and found his house.

Turns out Allen West lives less than a mile from me as the crow flies...

Just a cool observation I made from today's events...

[Serk]

So if you're unlucky enough to live in PA (Or SC it seems), unlucky enough to get the virus, be one of the small percentage that it strongly effects, be one of the small percentage of those to require hospitalization and be fighting for your life, and need Remdesivir, I sure hope you haven't worked hard to drag yourself into the middle class, or you might not get the meds you need due to medical social justice.

"Pennsylvania is encouraging healthcare providers to use a “weighted lottery” system to decide which patients are treated with this lifesaving drug and who goes without. Instead of medical need being the deciding factor of who receives a drug, this lottery is weighted in favor of those who sit lower on the socioeconomic spectrum."

https://www.foxnews.com/media/pa-hospitals-use-weighted-lottery-to-distribute-lifesaving-remdesivir-in-favor-of-low-income-patients

[..]

So if you're unlucky enough to live in PA (Or SC it seems), unlucky enough to get the virus, be one of the small percentage that it strongly effects, be one of the small percentage of those to require hospitalization and be fighting for your life, and need Remdesivir, I sure hope you haven't worked hard to drag yourself into the middle class, or you might not get the meds you need due to medical social justice.

"Pennsylvania is encouraging healthcare providers to use a “weighted lottery” system to decide which patients are treated with this lifesaving drug and who goes without. Instead of medical need being the deciding factor of who receives a drug, this lottery is weighted in favor of those who sit lower on the socioeconomic spectrum."

https://www.foxnews.com/media/pa-hospitals-use-weighted-lottery-to-distribute-lifesaving-remdesivir-in-favor-of-low-income-patients

But, but, but isn't this like the 'death panels" that a select few on this forum said could NEVER happen? 

[Valkorado]

So if you're unlucky enough to live in PA (Or SC it seems), unlucky enough to get the virus, be one of the small percentage that it strongly effects, be one of the small percentage of those to require hospitalization and be fighting for your life, and need Remdesivir, I sure hope you haven't worked hard to drag yourself into the middle class, or you might not get the meds you need due to medical social justice.

"Pennsylvania is encouraging healthcare providers to use a “weighted lottery” system to decide which patients are treated with this lifesaving drug and who goes without. Instead of medical need being the deciding factor of who receives a drug, this lottery is weighted in favor of those who sit lower on the socioeconomic spectrum."

https://www.foxnews.com/media/pa-hospitals-use-weighted-lottery-to-distribute-lifesaving-remdesivir-in-favor-of-low-income-patients

But, but, but isn't this like the 'death panels" that a select few on this forum said could NEVER happen?  

I still say, fight it on all fronts.  So, if the hydroxychloroquine works well as a therapeutic*, by all means use it where
Remdesivir is in short supply.  Preventative measures are part of the picture as well including masking in crowds and basic sanitation and hygiene.  Testing and contact tracking also are important facets.  Wash your damn hands!

* I am not saying hydroxychloroquine is not a viable therapeutic.  The controversial video that was pulled from several sites was pulled because it was presented as a cure.  They take claims of "cure" seriously.

That said, if hydroxychloroquine proves to be a safe and effective prophylaxis, heck yeah let the people have at it.

[Valkorado]

Thanks again, China!  

[..]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/japan-acted-like-the-virus-had-gone-now-it-e2-80-99s-spread-everywhere/ar-BB17qNQd

[Robert]

I understand why they think its a good thing to indemnify these companies but a vaccine needs clinical trials and that's what they are not doing.



Red Flags Soar As Big Pharma Will Be Exempt From COVID-19 Vaccine Liability Claims

Last week we warned readers to be cautious about new COVID-19 vaccines, highlighting how key parts of the clinical trials are being skipped as big pharma will not be held accountable for adverse side effects for administering the experimental drugs.

A senior executive from AstraZeneca, Britain's second-largest drugmaker, told Reuters that his company was just granted protection from all legal action if the company's vaccine led to damaging side effects.

This is a unique situation where we as a company simply cannot take the risk if in ... four years the vaccine is showing side effects," said Ruud Dobber, a top exec at AstraZeneca.

    "In the contracts we have in place, we are asking for indemnification. For most countries, it is acceptable to take that risk on their shoulders because it is in their national interest," said Dobber, adding that Astra and regulators were making safety and tolerability a top priority.

[Valkorado]

The ChiCom sh!t virus continues.  Nothing to see here, just a little flu...

Oh, Mexico.

https://www.foxnews.com/world/mexico-third-highest-coronavirus-death-rate-globally

And about everywhere else.  

https://www.foxnews.com/world/south-africa-passes-500000-confirmed-coronavirus-cases

https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/02/health/us-coronavirus-sunday/index.html

https://www.wsj.com/articles/coronavirus-cases-rise-in-europe-as-youth-hit-beach-and-bars-11596364200

https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2020-08-02/switzerland-should-tighten-coronavirus-restrictions-again-government-advisor-says

https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/02/australia/victoria-coronavirus-state-of-disaster-intl/index.html

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/countries-report-record-coronavirus-case-rises-u-s-faces-stark-n1235576


Homeland -- ONE DEATH A MINUTE

Coronavirus deaths in the United States are rising at their fastest rate since early June. Roughly one American died about every minute from COVID-19 on Wednesday.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-usa/u-s-makes-deal-for-100-million-doses-of-coronavirus-vaccine-deaths-expected-to-rise-idUSKCN24W2ZA

We Just Have To Assume The Monster Is Everywhere
https://www.adn.com/nation-world/2020/08/01/coronavirus-threat-rises-across-us-we-just-have-to-assume-the-monster-is-everywhere/

It is what it is.  It sucks.  I hate it.

[Robert]

Asymptomatic Spread Is A Lie

https://youtu.be/JGowqrnbSjw

On July 5th of this year – following weeks of steady decline – the United States recorded 263 deaths from COVID-19. This was the lowest daily toll in nearly three and half months. The July 5th figure represented a 90 percent drop from the peak which occurred April 21st. On that day there were 2748 deaths from COVID-19 (see worldometers.info for data).

The sharp decrease in COVID deaths was obviously a most welcome development. One would expect it would have quickly generated a spate of celebratory headlines.

However, this is not what happened that day.

Below is a collection of links to some of the news items put forward by US media on July 5:

    MORE COVID PEAK: Florida infected rise by record 11,458 on Saturday…

    57,683 cases single day in USA…

    Once lauded, Texas now grapples with one of country’s worst outbreaks…

    Hospitals in at least 2 counties reach full capacity…

    PHOENIX SICK… MORE RULES IN MIAMI…

    Governors stress ‘personal responsibility’…

    Virus floats in air as aerosol…

    Masks putting people at each other’s throats…

    Why testing crisis hasn’t been solved…

    ‘You started the corona!’ Anti-Asian hate incidents explode…

    STUDY: DNA Linked to Covid-19 Inherited From Neanderthals…

    NBA Reopening Is Warning Sign for Economy…

    MLB and NFL hit by setbacks…

    Do politicians who pushed for reopening now have regrets?

[Valkorado]

On July 5th of this year – following weeks of steady decline – the United States recorded 263 deaths from COVID-19. This was the lowest daily toll in nearly three and half months. The July 5th figure represented a 90 percent drop from the peak which occurred April 21st. On that day there were 2748 deaths from COVID-19 (see worldometers.info for data).

One C-19 death a minute in America on Wednesday, July 29th.

[Jersey mike]

On July 5th of this year – following weeks of steady decline – the United States recorded 263 deaths from COVID-19. This was the lowest daily toll in nearly three and half months. The July 5th figure represented a 90 percent drop from the peak which occurred April 21st. On that day there were 2748 deaths from COVID-19 (see worldometers.info for data).

One C-19 death a minute in America on Wednesday, July 29th.

Actually it’s plus 25...1465 deaths according to world meter, 7/29/20
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

But since pretty much every death is now C-19 related, even the guy who died at the scene in a motorcycle accident, the ongoing tally is pretty much meaningless. There will probably be some slob who chokes on a chicken bone and is tallied as a C-19 death.

The criteria of dying from C-19 is pretty low and has been that way since they announced all deaths regardless of whether a person was sick or not and tests positive at the time of their death for C-19 is to be regarded as a C-19 death.

[Valkorado]

On July 5th of this year – following weeks of steady decline – the United States recorded 263 deaths from COVID-19. This was the lowest daily toll in nearly three and half months. The July 5th figure represented a 90 percent drop from the peak which occurred April 21st. On that day there were 2748 deaths from COVID-19 (see worldometers.info for data).

One C-19 death a minute in America on Wednesday, July 29th.

Actually it’s plus 25...1465 deaths according to world meter, 7/29/20
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

But since pretty much every death is now C-19 related, even the guy who died at the scene in a motorcycle accident, the ongoing tally is pretty much meaningless. There will probably be some slob who chokes on a chicken bone and is tallied as a C-19 death.

The criteria of dying from C-19 is pretty low and has been that way since they announced all deaths regardless of whether a person was sick or not and tests positive at the time of their death for C-19 is to be regarded as a C-19 death.

So early on in New York they were tallying unrelated deaths as C-19 fatalities.  Then when the numbers dropped significantly they were reporting the "real" coronavirus deaths.  But now that the US numbers are rising again, they can be attributed to unrelated causes and should once again be considered fake.  Do I have that right?

The increasing American C-19 deaths have nothing to do with the recent rise in cases and hospitalizations.  

Fake numbers.  Fake virus.  Got it.  

[98valk]

https://saraacarter.com/texas-downgrades-covid-19-deaths-after-automation-error/

 Texas Department of State Health Services revealed this week that an “automation error” in a new method of reporting COVID-19 deaths led to hundreds of people being mistakenly reported as having died of the coronavirus.

The statistical error put 225 fatalities on the state’s COVID-19 related death toll. A local Texas NBC affiliate stated: “On July 27, the state said 675 deaths were being added to the list of those killed by COVID-19 and that the increase was due to a change in reporting method that relied on death certificates rather than reports from various public health departments.“

[Jersey mike]

On July 5th of this year – following weeks of steady decline – the United States recorded 263 deaths from COVID-19. This was the lowest daily toll in nearly three and half months. The July 5th figure represented a 90 percent drop from the peak which occurred April 21st. On that day there were 2748 deaths from COVID-19 (see worldometers.info for data).

One C-19 death a minute in America on Wednesday, July 29th.

Actually it’s plus 25...1465 deaths according to world meter, 7/29/20
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

But since pretty much every death is now C-19 related, even the guy who died at the scene in a motorcycle accident, the ongoing tally is pretty much meaningless. There will probably be some slob who chokes on a chicken bone and is tallied as a C-19 death.

The criteria of dying from C-19 is pretty low and has been that way since they announced all deaths regardless of whether a person was sick or not and tests positive at the time of their death for C-19 is to be regarded as a C-19 death.

So early on in New York they were tallying unrelated deaths as C-19 fatalities.  Then when the numbers dropped significantly they were reporting the "real" coronavirus deaths.  But now that the US numbers are rising again, they can be attributed to unrelated causes and should once again be considered fake.  Do I have that right?

The increasing American C-19 deaths have nothing to do with the recent rise in cases and hospitalizations.  

Fake numbers.  Fake virus.  Got it.  

As I said the bar is set pretty low on the criteria level for death from C-19

1465/325,000,000=0.0000045077

USA Total 153,000/325,000,000=0.0004707692

Not end end of the world numbers. Not even troubling numbers. Nature always takes the weakest first, thinning of the herd. Some will die, majority will live. Will my thoughts and opinion come back to bite me, maybe but I’m a realist always have been.

I love and cherish my family and friends I don’t want for any of them to die and I would be crushed if I lost any of my children or my wife but what happens happens. I don’t want anyone here to lose a family member or friend. I don’t wish that on anyone but at the same time the reality is it’s a possibility but rather low.

I don’t wish for people to die, but understanding and accepting that fact is paramount, especially in situations like this. Does this sound cold hearted and uncaring, yes it may to some people, but if doctors and nurses can have it so can lay people. Doctors and nurses lose patients all the time for non C-19 illnesses and understand it’s the nature of life. I don’t consider myself any different.

[Valkorado]

On July 5th of this year – following weeks of steady decline – the United States recorded 263 deaths from COVID-19. This was the lowest daily toll in nearly three and half months. The July 5th figure represented a 90 percent drop from the peak which occurred April 21st. On that day there were 2748 deaths from COVID-19 (see worldometers.info for data).

One C-19 death a minute in America on Wednesday, July 29th.

Actually it’s plus 25...1465 deaths according to world meter, 7/29/20
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

But since pretty much every death is now C-19 related, even the guy who died at the scene in a motorcycle accident, the ongoing tally is pretty much meaningless. There will probably be some slob who chokes on a chicken bone and is tallied as a C-19 death.

The criteria of dying from C-19 is pretty low and has been that way since they announced all deaths regardless of whether a person was sick or not and tests positive at the time of their death for C-19 is to be regarded as a C-19 death.

So early on in New York they were tallying unrelated deaths as C-19 fatalities.  Then when the numbers dropped significantly they were reporting the "real" coronavirus deaths.  But now that the US numbers are rising again, they can be attributed to unrelated causes and should once again be considered fake.  Do I have that right?

The increasing American C-19 deaths have nothing to do with the recent rise in cases and hospitalizations.  

Fake numbers.  Fake virus.  Got it.  

As I said the bar is set pretty low on the criteria level for death from C-19

1465/325,000,000=0.0000045077

USA Total 153,000/325,000,000=0.0004707692

Not end end of the world numbers. Not even troubling numbers. Nature always takes the weakest first, thinning of the herd. Some will die, majority will live. Will my thoughts and opinion come back to bite me, maybe but I’m a realist always have been.

I love and cherish my family and friends I don’t want for any of them to die and I would be crushed if I lost any of my children or my wife but what happens happens. I don’t want anyone here to lose a family member or friend. I don’t wish that on anyone but at the same time the reality is it’s a possibility but rather low.

I don’t wish for people to die, but understanding and accepting that fact is paramount, especially in situations like this. Does this sound cold hearted and uncaring, yes it may to some people, but if doctors and nurses can have it so can lay people. Doctors and nurses lose patients all the time for non C-19 illnesses and understand it’s the nature of life. I don’t consider myself any different.

I also consider myself a realist.

I understand and accept that C-19 is a killer virus.  I also understand and accept that dealing with killer virii are a part of living life on this earth.  No great revelations there.

I do love science and I enjoyed the reference to Darwinian evolutionary theory.  What doesn't kill us will make us stronger!

There have been over 150,000 Americans who have died from C-19.  They were also loved and cherished by their friends and families (and in some cases, by their fans).  While to you they may represent the weakest links in our human chain, they will be missed.  Maybe not by you, but I can assure you they will be missed.

It's not the end of the world by any means, I've never said it was.  Not sure I agree with your assessment that the current trends are not troubling, but I don't believe folks should be trembling in fear because of C-19.  That said, it is the most severe global pandemic in our lifetimes and it should be taken seriously.

[Jersey mike]

On July 5th of this year – following weeks of steady decline – the United States recorded 263 deaths from COVID-19. This was the lowest daily toll in nearly three and half months. The July 5th figure represented a 90 percent drop from the peak which occurred April 21st. On that day there were 2748 deaths from COVID-19 (see worldometers.info for data).

One C-19 death a minute in America on Wednesday, July 29th.

Actually it’s plus 25...1465 deaths according to world meter, 7/29/20
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

But since pretty much every death is now C-19 related, even the guy who died at the scene in a motorcycle accident, the ongoing tally is pretty much meaningless. There will probably be some slob who chokes on a chicken bone and is tallied as a C-19 death.

The criteria of dying from C-19 is pretty low and has been that way since they announced all deaths regardless of whether a person was sick or not and tests positive at the time of their death for C-19 is to be regarded as a C-19 death.

So early on in New York they were tallying unrelated deaths as C-19 fatalities.  Then when the numbers dropped significantly they were reporting the "real" coronavirus deaths.  But now that the US numbers are rising again, they can be attributed to unrelated causes and should once again be considered fake.  Do I have that right?

The increasing American C-19 deaths have nothing to do with the recent rise in cases and hospitalizations.  

Fake numbers.  Fake virus.  Got it.  

As I said the bar is set pretty low on the criteria level for death from C-19

1465/325,000,000=0.0000045077

USA Total 153,000/325,000,000=0.0004707692

Not end end of the world numbers. Not even troubling numbers. Nature always takes the weakest first, thinning of the herd. Some will die, majority will live. Will my thoughts and opinion come back to bite me, maybe but I’m a realist always have been.

I love and cherish my family and friends I don’t want for any of them to die and I would be crushed if I lost any of my children or my wife but what happens happens. I don’t want anyone here to lose a family member or friend. I don’t wish that on anyone but at the same time the reality is it’s a possibility but rather low.

I don’t wish for people to die, but understanding and accepting that fact is paramount, especially in situations like this. Does this sound cold hearted and uncaring, yes it may to some people, but if doctors and nurses can have it so can lay people. Doctors and nurses lose patients all the time for non C-19 illnesses and understand it’s the nature of life. I don’t consider myself any different.

I also consider myself a realist.

I understand and accept that C-19 is a killer virus.  I also understand and accept that dealing with killer virii are a part of living life on this earth.  No great revelations there.

I do love science and I enjoyed the reference to Darwinian evolutionary theory.  What doesn't kill us will make us stronger!

It's not the end of the world by any means, I've never said it was.  I do not believe folks should be trembling in fear because of C-19.  But it is the most severe global pandemic in our lifetimes and it should be taken seriously.

Hospitalizations alone for the Flu 2018-2019 were 490,561 deaths were 34,157.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/past-seasons.html

So IF C-19 deaths are being tallied CORRECTLY C-19 is only 4.4 times the death rate of the last strain of Flu.

To me it’s assuring when I see countries taking a low key/quasi-casual approach to fighting the virus, with morbidly rates similar to ours. That to me is proof positive things will be ok but everyone is different.

My neighbors to my right are in their late ‘70’s. The wife has an illness so he goes out to do the errands, we told him many time to let us know if he needs anything but he still does his thing.

The neighbors to our left have been on eggshells since the lockdown and they’re younger than us with 2 HS sons. The kids haven’t left their property since schools closed except to shoot hoops in the street with a friend or two.

Our friends across the street (Mid’50’s) are all over the place. She’s constantly worried about catching it, transmitting it or whatever else but can’t stay home. She’s constantly out and about town. Her husband is low key and out doing service work all day, everyday.

Ran into an old friend about 8 weeks ago, he contracted Bell’s Palsy during all this crap. He was talking like Carl the Greenskeeper from Caddyshack and had to wear an eyepatch but was still going out to work at customers homes. He had 5 or 6 customers who had died from the virus, knew a few more diagnosed and was on the way to a customers home who under quarantine. I got a message from him 2 weeks ago the meds helped the Bells Palsy and he’s back to normal and still chugging along.

Just a small portion of who we know and how we’re dealing with it.

[Valkorado]

Life goes on, for sure.

Ya know, instead of going all the way back to square one I'll just remind that this is a novel virus.  It's also a tricky little sumbitch.  The antibody/herd immunity idea is a longshot and would be a long, painful process to attempt without some mitigations other than therapeutics alone.  The virus has proven to be unaffected by seasonal variances, it can spread asymptomatically and it's contagious as hell.  Yes, most survive.  Many without any symptoms at all.  Some have the sniffles, a sore throat or other slight symptoms.  Of those who have had "mild" symptoms not requiring hospitalization, some describe being sicker than they've ever been.  Those who do require hospitalization are pretty sick, IMO.

According to most experts (yeah, I know -- the pesky experts) C-19 has become endemic, meaning it's here to stay.  And flu season is coming...

[Robert]

It is funny the 2009/2010 swine flu pandemic was estimated by the CDC and WHO to have infected 700 million to 1.4 billion people and killed between 150,000 and 575,000, but there were no shutdowns of businesses, no lockdowns of cities and states, no mandatory mask wearing, no school closures, and no deviation from our normal lives. A critical thinking individual might question why no mass panic and fear mongering by the media during the Obama administration pandemic, but hysteria and terror spread by medical “experts”, the left-wing corporate media, the Hollywood elite, and Democrat politicians during this similar scale virus outbreak.

The purposeful destruction of our economy over a bad flu couldn’t be for political purposes. Could it? Has the old “never let a crisis go to waste” mantra been put to good use once again by the left? Those in control of the messaging have panicked the nation and created a 2nd Great Depression over a flu that will not kill 99.97% of the American population. They have been so effective with their panic propaganda a recent poll found Americans believe 9% of the population (30 million people) have died from Covid-19.



    “A really efficient totalitarian state would be one in which the all-powerful executive of political bosses and their army of managers control a population of slaves who do not have to be coerced, because they love their servitude.”

    - Aldous Huxley, Brave New World

    “Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered. And the process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Party is always right.”

    - George Orwell, 1984


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