Coronavirus $hit be getting real

[98valk]

https://www.asbmb.org/asbmb-today/science/020620/could-an-old-malaria-drug-help-fight-the-new-coron

In a three-page paper published Tuesday in Cell Research, scientists at the Wuhan Institute of Virology’s State Key Laboratory of Virology write that both chloroquine and the antiviral remdesivir were, individually, “highly effective” at inhibiting replication of the novel coronavirus in cell culture. Their drug screen evaluated five other drugs that were not effective. The authors could not be reached for comment.

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https://www.fox5ny.com/news/california-preparing-for-worst-case-scenarios


It’s likely “few if any” California schools will reopen before summer break, Gov. Gavin Newsom said Tuesday.

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https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/18/general-motors-ford-and-fiat-chrysler-to-close-all-us-factories-due-to-the-coronavirus-sources-say.html

[98valk]

self feeding into a depression.  socialism will look real nice to voters in nov.

election during great depression offered socialism, but American people were too smart at that time and rejected it.

[Valkorado]

self feeding into a depression.  socialism will look real nice to voters in nov.

election during great depression offered socialism, but American people were too smart at that time and rejected it.

Socialism will never look nice.

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Orange County Bans All Public, Private Gatherings – Including Work – Outside Single Household

https://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2020/03/17/oc-health-officials-set-to-close-dine-in-restaurants/

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https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/mar/16/joe-biden/biden-falsely-says-trump-administration-rejected-w/#sources



"No discussions occurred between WHO and CDC about WHO providing COVID-19 tests to the United States," said WHO spokeswoman Margaret Harris. "This is consistent with experience since the United States does not ordinarily rely on WHO for reagents or diagnostic tests because of sufficient domestic capacity."

[Skinhead]

        Called the new local micky Ds and they informed me dining in is verboten. I can go to the window or order inside and leave but that means I can NOT converse with my friends on Sunday morning before-well now altered Church-and have the nice young Ladies refill our coffee cups. And it means should I go to the golden arches breakfast club be eatin in my car!   Which I really try too avoid-eating in my car.   This whole danged thing IS raising havoc with the very fabric of some lives. And I heard that Missouri as a State is Recommending groups of no larger than 10 people. Thank goodness fer our electronic club house and the cell phone. And as one of my next door neighbors-Nam Vet-and I generally sign off with phone or in person-PEACE.   RIDE SAFE.

It sucks!!!  I know ifI get waylaid by this commie crap I'm a goner.  I have immune deficiencies, heart and GI issues, lung problems.  So, yeah, it's going to be a tough row to hoe if this goes on for months playing hide from what I can't see.  I'm thinking ride as much as possible with Purell, pistol and Lysol readily available.  

As said, distancing from friends and loved ones will be the toughest thing.

I guess the less of us who get nailed, the better it'll be for all of us.  Even globally.

Ride On, Brother!  It sucks that you are more vulnerable to this crap.  Swing by the local dog park and grab a bunch of poop bags, they work great on fuel pump nozzles when you have to refuel.  Just use your head and enjoy.  Safe travels.

[Willow]

Using H20 to explain Lockdown.

https://youtu.be/nl6tTwxzCi8

It's a good presentation and a fine explanation of the objective to diminish the number of critical cases so they don't overwhelm the hospitals' availability.  Toward the middle of the presentation he expresses that beginning the isolation too soon will fail to meet the desired results.  We may have done this.

The current count in the U.S. is a little over 8,000 cases.  Expectations are that 15% of cases require hospitalization.  If 1200 cases nationwide is overwhelming our hospitals we have much more dangerous problem that COVID-19.  Apparently we are operating our hospitals are near capacity during normal times.  Our health system doesn't seem to be nearly prepared for a serious medical crisis.  I hope this is one of the valuable lessons we're learning from the COVID-19 threat.  We need to operate many or most hospitals with empty wings during normal times so we can gear up to the needed service when issues such as a pandemic arise.

I think we may be getting from the media an incorrect impression of the impact of COVID-19.  Below are some of the hardest hit nations with the percentage of there [populations that have acquired COVID-19.  A percentage of 1 would indicate if you know 100 people that one of them would have acquired the disease.  Obviously the cases are not distributed evenly but that gives you an idea of the impact.

Italy             0.05%
Spain           0.03%
Norway        0.03%
Iran             0.02%
S. Korea       0.02%
Germany      0.01%
France          0.01%
China           0.006%
UK               0.004%
Switzerland  0.004%
USA             0.002%

The stats are certainly not complete as the virus is still spreading but it gives you an idea of where we are.         

[Valkorado]

Quote:

"We need to operate many or most hospitals with empty wings during normal times so we can gear up to the needed service when issues such as a pandemic arise".


 

[The emperor has no clothes]

Quote:

"We need to operate many or most hospitals with empty wings during normal times so we can gear up to the needed service when issues such as a pandemic arise".


 

The problem with that is, most of our hospitals are private enterprises with the goal of maximizing profits. Having excess space, equipment, labor is not conducive to this.

[Serk]

Quote:

"We need to operate many or most hospitals with empty wings during normal times so we can gear up to the needed service when issues such as a pandemic arise".


 

The problem with that is, most of our hospitals are private enterprises with the goal of maximizing profits. Having excess space, equipment, labor is not conducive to this.

Total number of US community hospitals not-for-profit: 2,937
Total number of US community hospitals  for profit:      1,296

2,937 > 1,296

Source: https://www.aha.org/statistics/fast-facts-us-hospitals

[The emperor has no clothes]

Quote:

"We need to operate many or most hospitals with empty wings during normal times so we can gear up to the needed service when issues such as a pandemic arise".


 

The problem with that is, most of our hospitals are private enterprises with the goal of maximizing profits. Having excess space, equipment, labor is not conducive to this.

Total number of US community hospitals not-for-profit: 2,937
Total number of US community hospitals  for profit:      1,296

2,937 > 1,296

Source: https://www.aha.org/statistics/fast-facts-us-hospitals

I guess I should have said many and not most. I stand corrected.

[Moonshot_1]

Quote:

"We need to operate many or most hospitals with empty wings during normal times so we can gear up to the needed service when issues such as a pandemic arise".


 

In times of such a pandemic, and I believe there are such plans now, the use of Hotel facilities for temporary hospitals would be warranted. Declare such an emergency and rent the facility for the duration of the need.

The idea that we need empty buildings or hospitals with empty wings on standby is a non-starter. Maybe if you used the buildings or wings as hotels till the need arises? But to have them sit idly by for what could be forever is not a good idea.

Staffing is the real critical issue with this. Even now, the demand and potential demand for medical care will likely outstrip the supply for a while.

[Willow]

Quote:

"We need to operate many or most hospitals with empty wings during normal times so we can gear up to the needed service when issues such as a pandemic arise".


 

The problem with that is, most of our hospitals are private enterprises with the goal of maximizing profits. Having excess space, equipment, labor is not conducive to this.

That's why I specifically said empty wings rather than simply empty rooms.  An idle but ready to be used wing is minimum maintenance cost.  The actual building and supplying those wings would be expensive.  Compare the cost to the money the U.S. government is throwing at dealing with a less than completely catastrophic pandemic.  Where would be the most effective place for that government (our) money to be applied?

I'm not in favor of single payer health insurance but perhaps with the importance of the health system (hospitals) some well thought out requirements and subsidization would be appropriate.

[Valkorado]

I heard Cuomo state this morning that we  (NY)  "can't" build a hospital in a month.   I'd bet if we put the Army Corps of Engineers on the task they'd be capable of doing as well or better than the Chinese did when they whipped up their temporary  hospitals.

It appears we're opting for pop up tents at many locations this time around.   Trump also mentioned they have beds at ready,  so maybe some larger areas are being considered for use if needed.   The DOD is also releasing some equipment.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/defense-national-security/dod-to-deliver-to-hhs-up-to-5-million-respirator-masks-and-2-000-ventilators-from-reserve

Cuomo also said we can't lockdown  NY.   He may be right there!

[Moonshot_1]

I heard Cuomo state this morning that we  (NY)  "can't" build a hospital in a month.   I'd bet if we put the Army Corps of Engineers on the task they'd be capable of doing as well or better than the Chinese did when they whipped up their temporary  hospitals.

It appears we're opting for pop up tents at many locations this time around.   Trump also mentioned they have beds at ready,  so maybe some larger areas are being considered for use if needed.   The DOD is also releasing some equipment.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/defense-national-security/dod-to-deliver-to-hhs-up-to-5-million-respirator-masks-and-2-000-ventilators-from-reserve

Cuomo also said we can't lockdown  NY.   He may be right there!

I believe the carrier USS Comfort has been sent to NYC

[Valkorado]

I heard Cuomo state this morning that we  (NY)  "can't" build a hospital in a month.   I'd bet if we put the Army Corps of Engineers on the task they'd be capable of doing as well or better than the Chinese did when they whipped up their temporary  hospitals.

It appears we're opting for pop up tents at many locations this time around.   Trump also mentioned they have beds at ready,  so maybe some larger areas are being considered for use if needed.   The DOD is also releasing some equipment.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/defense-national-security/dod-to-deliver-to-hhs-up-to-5-million-respirator-masks-and-2-000-ventilators-from-reserve

Cuomo also said we can't lockdown  NY.   He may be right there!

I believe the carrier USS Comfort has been sent to NYC

   USA baby!

[The emperor has no clothes]

I heard Cuomo state this morning that we  (NY)  "can't" build a hospital in a month.   I'd bet if we put the Army Corps of Engineers on the task they'd be capable of doing as well or better than the Chinese did when they whipped up their temporary  hospitals.

It appears we're opting for pop up tents at many locations this time around.   Trump also mentioned they have beds at ready,  so maybe some larger areas are being considered for use if needed.   The DOD is also releasing some equipment.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/defense-national-security/dod-to-deliver-to-hhs-up-to-5-million-respirator-masks-and-2-000-ventilators-from-reserve

Cuomo also said we can't lockdown  NY.   He may be right there!

I believe the carrier USS Comfort has been sent to NYC

It's a hospital ship, certainly no carrier.

[Valkorado]

https://nypost.com/2020/03/18/in-one-day-1000-nyc-doctors-and-nurses-enlist-to-battle-coronavirus/

The true heros and heroines.   Should be paid what professional athletes make, at least.

Especially considering this:

https://myfox8.com/news/health-care-workers-getting-sicker-from-coronavirus-than-other-patients-expert-says/

Health care workers getting sicker from coronavirus than other patients, expert says

[98valk]

I heard Cuomo state this morning that we  (NY)  "can't" build a hospital in a month.   I'd bet if we put the Army Corps of Engineers on the task they'd be capable of doing as well or better than the Chinese did when they whipped up their temporary  hospitals.

It appears we're opting for pop up tents at many locations this time around.   Trump also mentioned they have beds at ready,  so maybe some larger areas are being considered for use if needed.   The DOD is also releasing some equipment.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/defense-national-security/dod-to-deliver-to-hhs-up-to-5-million-respirator-masks-and-2-000-ventilators-from-reserve

Cuomo also said we can't lockdown  NY.   He may be right there!

I believe the carrier USS Comfort has been sent to NYC

it is the USNS Comfort hospital ship.  United States Naval Ship (USNS) indicating it is a U.S. Navy non-commissioned ship and operationally crewed by civilians from the Military Sealift Command (MSC). Will have a very small crew of Navy sailors who man the communications dept and provide operational orders to the MSC Captain. If medical support orders then military personal will be onboard running the hospital.
 I sailed on her a few times. Her and the USNS Mercy are oil tankers same as the Exon Valdez and converted into the Hospital Ships. Navy bought them cheap since they couldn't be used for oil transport use after the Valdez incident.

[Valkorado]

The heartbreaking human stories are coming...  You can hear numbers until you're desensitized to them.  These stories hit home.  Hit this family's home, anyway.


https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/18/nyregion/new-jersey-family-coronavirus.html

Coronavirus Ravages 7 Members of a Single Family, Killing 3
The matriarch of the large New Jersey family died Wednesday night without ever knowing that her two oldest children had died before her.

[Willow]

I wonder if anyone is tracking suicide numbers during this "social distancing" dictate.   ???

[Oss]

From what I am hearing there are only a few hundred thousand respirators in the USA   Therefore it is crucial that we slow the curve of infections as who gets saved is a road we dont want to go down now
The lack of beds is nothing compared to the inability to help folks actually breathe

The virus is a dry virus unlike flu and cold virus which cause our body to produce mucus

Imagine a sandstorm in your lungs preventing you from breathing the o2

The govmt is trying to slow the spread since you will spread the disease at 2 days but may show no symptoms for 5.  So you dont know you have it till you have spread it for days.  Sucks.

I am closing my office tomorrow  Will probably see 2 clients friday then close again until further notice
Have already been coughing for over a month from this cold I get every winter I dont need the aggravation of my wife worrying and yelling at me any longer to stay home.  Happy wife happy life
If it is a nice day I will take the police bike out for a ride.

Not one client came in today, and only 2 phone calls.  With Court closed its time to work remotely.

[Willow]

Incidentally, if anyone hasn't found one this is the site from which I draw my numbers.

Link to Regularly Updated COVID-19 Numbers by Nation

[Valkorado]

From what I am hearing there are only a few hundred thousand respirators in the USA   Therefore it is crucial that we slow the curve of infections as who gets saved is a road we dont want to go down now
The lack of beds is nothing compared to the inability to help folks actually breathe

The virus is a dry virus unlike flu and cold virus which cause our body to produce mucus

Imagine a sandstorm in your lungs preventing you from breathing the o2

The govmt is trying to slow the spread since you will spread the disease at 2 days but may show no symptoms for 5.  So you dont know you have it till you have spread it for days.  Sucks.

I am closing my office tomorrow  Will probably see 2 clients friday then close again until further notice
Have already been coughing for over a month from this cold I get every winter I dont need the aggravation of my wife worrying and yelling at me any longer to stay home.  Happy wife happy life
If it is a nice day I will take the police bike out for a ride.

Not one client came in today, and only 2 phone calls.  With Court closed its time to work remotely.

Great observations Oss, especially happy wife thing.   She is wise wanting you to stay home.

I figure if I get really sick, I won't be able to get proper care here.   That's eye opening.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/18/us/coronavirus-colorado-ski-country.html

http://crestedbuttenews.com/2020/03/officials-take-drastic-measures-to-combat-coronavirus/
 
My brother sent me a picture of the large digital road sign the CODOT leaves scrolling messages on at the town entries.



All motels, private lodging, restaurants closed until further notice.  We have a li'l bitty hospital, 2 respirators and highest per capita infection ratios in state.

Local evening news just said Colorado may be considering the possibility of a statewide lockdown.  Sh-ei-t that would be interesting!

[Moonshot_1]

I heard Cuomo state this morning that we  (NY)  "can't" build a hospital in a month.   I'd bet if we put the Army Corps of Engineers on the task they'd be capable of doing as well or better than the Chinese did when they whipped up their temporary  hospitals.

It appears we're opting for pop up tents at many locations this time around.   Trump also mentioned they have beds at ready,  so maybe some larger areas are being considered for use if needed.   The DOD is also releasing some equipment.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/defense-national-security/dod-to-deliver-to-hhs-up-to-5-million-respirator-masks-and-2-000-ventilators-from-reserve

Cuomo also said we can't lockdown  NY.   He may be right there!

I believe the carrier USS Comfort has been sent to NYC

It's a hospital ship, certainly no carrier.

Oh look, the Hospital ship has helicopters on it! Yes, it is a hospital ship and it does accommodate aircraft.

[98valk]

I heard Cuomo state this morning that we  (NY)  "can't" build a hospital in a month.   I'd bet if we put the Army Corps of Engineers on the task they'd be capable of doing as well or better than the Chinese did when they whipped up their temporary  hospitals.

It appears we're opting for pop up tents at many locations this time around.   Trump also mentioned they have beds at ready,  so maybe some larger areas are being considered for use if needed.   The DOD is also releasing some equipment.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/defense-national-security/dod-to-deliver-to-hhs-up-to-5-million-respirator-masks-and-2-000-ventilators-from-reserve

Cuomo also said we can't lockdown  NY.   He may be right there!

I believe the carrier USS Comfort has been sent to NYC

It's a hospital ship, certainly no carrier.

Oh look, the Hospital ship has helicopters on it! Yes, it is a hospital ship and it does accommodate aircraft.

but it is not called a carrier.
DDGs are destroyers they have helos on them, they are not called a carrier. Only a CVN class ship is called an aircraft carrier.  Even LHAs which have helos, jet aircraft and V/STOLS are not called a carrier, they are called amphibious assault ships which also have a small hospital like an aircraft carrier does.

[The emperor has no clothes]

I heard Cuomo state this morning that we  (NY)  "can't" build a hospital in a month.   I'd bet if we put the Army Corps of Engineers on the task they'd be capable of doing as well or better than the Chinese did when they whipped up their temporary  hospitals.

It appears we're opting for pop up tents at many locations this time around.   Trump also mentioned they have beds at ready,  so maybe some larger areas are being considered for use if needed.   The DOD is also releasing some equipment.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/defense-national-security/dod-to-deliver-to-hhs-up-to-5-million-respirator-masks-and-2-000-ventilators-from-reserve

Cuomo also said we can't lockdown  NY.   He may be right there!

I believe the carrier USS Comfort has been sent to NYC

It's a hospital ship, certainly no carrier.

Oh look, the Hospital ship has helicopters on it! Yes, it is a hospital ship and it does accommodate aircraft.

Accomodating helicopters for the transfer of medical personnel and patients does not make a carrier. In terms of the Navy a "carrier" is a warship with the purpose of using aircraft as a forward projection fighting force.
 

[Oss]

It warms my heart to see 98 and Meat in agreement in the same thread

Unfortunately even though there is no frost on the driveway it is raining to beat the band so no bike ride   

[0leman]

there is some hope in our area for now.  The ONE and only person to contact the Virus, is on  the mend, and now new case for almost a week.   

Most of the problems is in the westside of the state in the populated area, Portland, Salem, Eugene areas.  Hopefully it stays there.

[old2soon]

            Just because a ship carries a rotary wing aircraft does NOT make it an aircraft carrier. A True aircraft carrier turns into the wind to launch and recover fixed wing aircraft. And below the flight deck and accessed thru elevators is the hangar bay-think repair shops. Spent near two years on an Aircraft Carrier. And the carrier had a sick bay/doctors office/hospital aboard. And a pharmacy. And dental care.
             Too lazy to look this up I guess but What ever happened to the Hospital ships Hope and Repose? Believe those ships served in the Nam era.
            Just from what little bit I know and from some Nurses I spent time with those USNS Hospital Ships Will do a danged Good job.

[Jess from VA]

Off point, but regarding navy medicos, when I was about to be born at Camp Lejeune, dad was sent TDY for a few months, and he insisted mom go home (to Wellsburg WVa) to give birth, so she would have family support and not be alone in crummy base housing.  Mom did so, but was pissed off because my birth was only going to cost about $9.95 at Lejeune (and she trusted navy Docs), but cost about $55 at Steubenville General where I was actually born.  (Although on the day in question, due to a traffic incident, I was nearly born on the Steubenville bridge.  I have little memory of these events.

The Corps wouldn't let dad go home for my birth, but his dad died suddenly and they let him go home for that.   The bus was slow, so he missed the funeral, but he ended up there for my birth.

67 years (and a few days) ago.   

[The emperor has no clothes]

It warms my heart to see 98 and Meat in agreement in the same thread

Unfortunately even though there is no frost on the driveway it is raining to beat the band so no bike ride    

are you serious ? In that case I take back whatever I said.   (no frost here either)

[Valkorado]

https://m.theepochtimes.com/military-trucks-carry-bodies-out-of-italian-town-after-crematorium-overwhelmed-by-covid-19_3278277.html

Military Trucks Carry Bodies out of Italian Town After Crematorium Overwhelmed by COVID-19


https://www.foxnews.com/world/italy-coronavirus-death-toll-passes-china-for-first-time

Italy coronavirus death toll passes China for first time

Lots of old folks there, and lots of pressure on the hospital system.

[98valk]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzL6PgyTwnw

Overhyped when it first broke out earlier in the year, and is now even more overhyped, said Gerald Celente, publisher of the Trends Journal.

[Valkorado]

Some "curve"  charts.   I'm trying to find a daily one to watch how are doing,  no luck yet.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/03/19/world/coronavirus-flatten-the-curve-countries.html

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https://www.cbsnews.com/news/coronavirus-digestive-symptoms-diarrhea-almost-half-of-patients/

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https://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2020/03/19/sacramento-stay-inside/

[Serk]

Head Coach of the New Orleans Saints has it:

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/28927492/saints-sean-payton-says-tested-positive-coronavirus

And I have a personal friend that lives in Seattle (Worked together remotely and been friends for 15 years) that tested positive today as well...