Somebody FINALLY said it on tv!!!

[SANDMAN5]

http://www.wtoc.com/global/video/flash/popupplayer.asp?ClipID1=4285612&h1=Editorial+-+11/09/09&vt1=v&at1=News&d1=186467&LaunchPageAdTag=News

[rmrc51]

THIS SHOULD BE BROADCAST NATION WIDE!

[fstsix]

Somebody reading my mind again ? 

[Chrisj CMA]

Amen and Amen!!!  Especially that last part.....either be an American contributing positively or get the heck out........couldnt have said it better.  At a time when we are at war....anyone on an expired visa should be very afraid of emminent deportation, but they arent because of the very things this guy is talking about.  I say send this guy to Washington and let him help Obama redefine political correctness as it relates to immigration, illegal aliens, racial profiling, and holding people accountable for their actions regardless of their religion.  Maybe they can find that clause that says we all have the right to never be offended and get rid of it once and for all.  Then when that guy says....."well, IF I traveled to Arizona, and if I happened to see that one single white cross way out in the middle of nowhere, I would be offended"........We could say......"So what, get in line, and get over it!"   Like we used to

[Bigdog]

AMEN!!!!!!   AND    AMEN!!!!!!!!   I love this guy.....HE is absolutely right.....

[Willow]

Almost, but not quite.

Even in his tirade against illogical political correctness, the newsman still speaks in terms of radical Muslim extremists as if they are a small subset.

He also issued a message of gratitude to the many Muslim faithful who are assisting in the fight against terrorism by infiltrating terrorist cells, translating, and otherwise combating the "radical Muslim extremest" terrorists.

A quick read of the Quran will tell you that a Muslim may not inform against another Muslim to an infidel (That's most of us; anyone who isn't a Muslim).

If we still think it's a small extreme minority of the Muslim world that sympathizes with al-Qaeda we're just not paying attention.

I'm thankful in part that the American people still don't truly understand what's going on.  In 2001 the expectation of Osama bin Laden and al-Qaeda was that in the wake of the World Trade Center attacks, the American people would rise up and strike at Muslims within our own country; that the Muslim world united would react to American violence; and that a global war would break out between the Muslim world and the western (America and her allies) world.

It was our own cultural ignorance and political correctness that avoided the onslaught of World War III.

[fstsix]

 'In  a generation or two, the US will ask itself: who  lost Europe ?'

Here is the speech of  Geert Wilders, Chairman, Party for Freedom, the  Netherlands , at the Four Seasons, New York ,  introducing an Alliance of Patriots and  announcing the Facing Jihad Conference in  Jerusalem .

Dear  friends,

Thank you  very much for inviting me.

I come to  America with a mission.  All is not well in  the old world.  There is a tremendous  danger looming, and it is very difficult to be  optimistic.  We might be in the final  stages of the Islamization of Europe .   This not only is a clear and present danger to  the future of Europe itself, it is a threat to  America and the sheer survival of the  West.  The United States as the last  bastion of Western civilization, facing an  IslamicEurope .

First I will describe  the situation on the ground in Europe .   Then, I will say a few things about Islam.   To close I will tell you about a meeting in  Jerusalem .

The Europe you know is  changing.

You have probably seen the  landmarks.  But in all of these cities,  sometimes a few blocks away from your tourist  destination, there is another world.  It is  the world of the parallel society created by  Muslim mass-migration.

All throughout  Europe a new reality is rising: entire Muslim  neighborhoods where very few indigenous people  reside or are even seen.  And if they are,  they might regret it.  This goes for the  police as well.  It's the world of head  scarves, where women walk around in figureless  tents, with baby strollers and a group of  children.  Their husbands, or slaveholders  if you prefer, walk three steps ahead.   With mosques on many street corners.  The  shops have signs you and I cannot read.   You will be hard-pressed to find any economic  activity.  These are Muslim ghettos  controlled by religious fanatics.  These  are Muslim neighborhoods, and they are  mushrooming in every city across Europe .   These are the building-blocks for territorial  control of increasingly larger portions of  Europe , street by street, neighborhood by  neighborhood, city by city.

There are now  thousands of mosques throughout Europe .   With larger congregations than there are in  churches.  And in every European city there  are plans to build super-mosques that will dwarf  every church in the region.  Clearly, the  signal is: we rule.

Many European cities  are already one-quarter Muslim: just take  Amsterdam , Marseille and Malmo in Sweden  .  In many cities the majority of the  under-18 population is Muslim.  Paris is  now surrounded by a ring of Muslim  neighborhoods.  Mohammed is the most  popular name among boys in many  cities.

In some elementary schools in  Amsterdam the farm can no longer be mentioned,  because that would also mean mentioning the pig,  and that would be an insult to  Muslims.

Many state schools in Belgium  and Denmark only serve halal food to all  pupils.  In once-tolerant Amsterdam gays  are beaten up almost exclusively by  Muslims.  Non-Muslim women routinely hear  'whore, whore'.  Satellite dishes are not  pointed to local TV stations, but to stations in  the country of origin.

In France school  teachers are advised to avoid authors deemed  offensive to Muslims, including Voltaire and  Diderot; the same is increasingly true of Darwin  .  The history of the Holocaust can no  longer be taught because of Muslim  sensitivity.

In England sharia courts are  now officially part of the British legal system.  Many neighborhoods in France are no-go areas for  women without head scarves.  Last week a  man almost died after being beaten up by Muslims  in Brussels , because he was drinking during the  Ramadan.

Jews are fleeing France in  record numbers, on the run for the worst wave of  anti-Semitism since World War II.  French  is now commonly spoken on the streets of Tel  Aviv and Netanya, Israel .  I could go on  forever with stories like this.  Stories  about Islamization.

A total of fifty-four  million Muslims now live in Europe .  San  Diego University recently calculated that a  staggering 25 percent of the population in  Europe will be Muslim just 12 years from  now.  Bernhard Lewis has predicted a Muslim  majority by the end of this century.

Now  these are just numbers.  And the numbers  would not be threatening if the  Muslim-immigrants had a strong desire to  assimilate.  But there are few signs of  that.  The Pew Research Center reported  that half of French Muslims see their loyalty to  Islam as greater than their loyalty to France  .  One-third of French Muslims do not  object to suicide attacks.  The British  Centre for Social Cohesion reported that  one-third of British Muslim students are in  favor of a worldwide caliphate.  Muslims  demand what they call 'respect'.  And this  is how we give them respect.  We have  Muslim official state holidays.

The  Christian-Democratic attorney general is willing  to accept sharia in the Netherlands if there is  a Muslim majority.  We have cabinet members  with passports from Morocco and Turkey  .

Muslim demands are supported by  unlawful behavior, ranging from petty crimes and  random violence, for example against ambulance  workers and bus drivers, to small-scale  riots.  Paris has seen its uprising in the  low-income suburbs, the banlieus.  I call  the perpetrators 'settlers'.  Because that  is what they are.  They do not come to  integrate into our societies; they come to  integrate our society into their  Dar-al-Islam.  Therefore, they are  settlers.

Much of this street violence I  mentioned is directed exclusively against  non-Muslims, forcing many native people to leave  their neighborhoods, their cities, their  countries.  Moreover, Muslims are now a  swing vote not to be ignored.

The second  thing you need to know is the importance of  Mohammed the prophet.  His behavior is an  example to all Muslims and cannot be  criticized.  Now, if Mohammed had been a  man of peace, let us say like Ghandi and Mother  Theresa wrapped in one, there would be no  problem.  But Mohammed was a warlord, a  mass murderer, a pedophile, and had several  marriages - at the same time.  Islamic  tradition tells us how he fought in battles, how  he had his enemies murdered and even had  prisoners of war executed.  Mohammed  himself slaughtered the Jewish tribe of Banu  Qurayza.  If it is good for Islam, it is  good.  If it is bad for Islam, it is  bad.

Let no one fool you about Islam  being a religion.  Sure, it has a god, and  a here-after, and 72 virgins.  But in its  essence Islam is a political ideology.  It  is a system that lays down detailed rules for  society and the life of every person  Islam  wants to dictate every aspect of life.   Islam means 'submission'.  Islam is not  compatible with freedom and democracy, because  what it strives for is sharia.  If you want  to compare Islam to anything, compare it to  communism or national-socialism, these are all  totalitarian ideologies.

Now you know why  Winston Churchill called Islam 'the most  retrograde force in the world', and why he  compared Mein Kampf to the Quran.  The  public has wholeheartedly accepted the  Palestinian narrative, and sees Israel as the  aggressor.  I have lived in this country  and visited it dozens of times.  I support  Israel .  First, because it is the Jewish  homeland after two thousand years of exile up to  and including Auschwitz, second because it is a  democracy, and third because Israel is our first  line of defense.

This tiny country is  situated on the fault line of jihad, frustrating  Islam's territorial advance.  Israel is  facing the front lines of jihad, like Kashmir,  Kosovo, the Philippines, Southern Thailand,  Darfur in Sudan, Lebanon, and Aceh in Indonesia    Israel is simply in the way.  The  same way West-Berlin was during the Cold  War.

The war against Israel is not a war  against Israel .  It is a war against the  West.  It is jihad.  Israel is simply  receiving the blows that are meant for all of  us.  If there would have been no Israel ,  Islamic imperialism would have found other  venues to release its energy and its desire for  conquest.  Thanks to Israeli parents who  send their children to the army and lay awake at  night, parents in Europe and America can sleep  well and dream, unaware of the dangers  looming.

Many in Europe argue in favor of  abandoning Israel in order to address the  grievances of our Muslim minorities.  But  if Israel were, God forbid, to go down, it would  not bring any solace to the West It would not  mean our Muslim minorities would all of a sudden  change their behavior, and accept our  values.  On the contrary, the end of Israel  would give enormous encouragement to the forces  of Islam.  They would, and rightly so, see  the demise of Israel as proof that the West is  weak, and doomed.  The end of Israel would  not mean the end of our problems with Islam, but  only the beginning.  It would mean the  start of the final battle for world  domination.  If they can get Israel , they  can get everything.  So-called journalists  volunteer to label any and all critics of  Islamization as a 'right-wing extremists' or  'racists'.  In my country, theNetherlands  , 60 percent of the population now sees the mass  immigration of Muslims as the number one policy  mistake since World War II.  And another 60  percent sees Islam as the biggest threat.   Yet there is a danger greater danger than  terrorist attacks, the scenario of America as  the last man standing.  The lights may go  out in Europe faster than you can imagine.   An Islamic Europe means a Europe without freedom  and democracy, an economic wasteland, an  intellectual nightmare, and a loss of military  might for America - as its allies will turn into  enemies, enemies with atomic bombs.  With  an Islamic Europe, it would be up toAmerica  alone to preserve the heritage of Rome , Athens  and Jerusalem

Dear  friends, liberty is the most precious of  gifts.  My generation never had to fight  for this freedom, it was offered to us on a  silver platter, by people who fought for it with  their lives.  All throughout Europe ,  American cemeteries remind us of the young boys  who never made it home, and whose memory we  cherish.  My generation does not own this  freedom; we are merely its custodians.  We  can only hand over this hard won liberty to  Europe 's children in the same state in which it  was offered to us.  We cannot strike a deal  with mullahs and imams.  Future generations  would never forgive us.  We cannot squander  our liberties.  We simply do not have the  right to do so.


We  have to take the necessary action now to stop  this Islamic stupidity from destroying the free  world that we know.

Please  take the time to read and understand what is  written here, Please send it to every free person that you know, it is so very  important.

[Chrisj CMA]

Almost, but not quite.

Even in his tirade against illogical political correctness, the newsman still speaks in terms of radical Muslim extremists as if they are a small subset.

He also issued a message of gratitude to the many Muslim faithful who are assisting in the fight against terrorism by infiltrating terrorist cells, translating, and otherwise combating the "radical Muslim extremest" terrorists.

A quick read of the Quran will tell you that a Muslim may not inform against another Muslim to an infidel (That's most of us; anyone who isn't a Muslim).

If we still think it's a small extreme minority of the Muslim world that sympathizes with al-Qaeda we're just not paying attention.

I'm thankful in part that the American people still don't truly understand what's going on.  In 2001 the expectation of Osama bin Laden and al-Qaeda was that in the wake of the World Trade Center attacks, the American people would rise up and strike at Muslims within our own country; that the Muslim world united would react to American violence; and that a global war would break out between the Muslim world and the western (America and her allies) world.

It was our own cultural ignorance and political correctness that avoided the onslaught of World War III.

Bold statement there my friend.  Glad you said it and  not me, They wont flame you like they wudda if I had.........but I dont know about that last sentence about WWIII.  If your Valkyrie failed to start and you were delayed some minutes and that saved you from a moron that would have pulled out in front of you, well you simply never would know this.......same here, we will never know what might have happened, if something else happened differently........I believe the bottom line is, that God is in control, not us, and all this is supposed to happen one way or another whether we like it or not, and I dont like it much, but it seems its the worlds fate for now.  All we can do is be good stewards with what God has blessed us with, and anyone that doesnt believe God has blessed America, well you are free to believe anything you want, not going to argue with you.  Right now Im afraid we are not being very good sterwards

[highcountry]

Well said.

[stormrider]

Chrisj, Willow, fstsix, good comments.
Willow, you're right. I think they were trying to pull us into a fight. And it may be what has to happen to stop their agenda. Mr. Wilders seem to state it plainly. And then there are others that want to be in control as well. Some of em are meeting this and next week. Just like history; someone always trying to control someone else.

[Jess from VA]

ISLAMABAD —  Five Americans arrested at a house linked to a militant group in eastern Pakistan have told investigators they came to the country to take part in "jihad" or holy war, police said Thursday.

Americans my ass!  Though all five had US passports from No VA.  This is what our failed immigration policy and system will get us.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,579888,00.html

And lets not forget our American Fort Hood muslim shooter.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/12/09/republicans-accuse-white-house-sitting-fort-hood-review/

[jammer]

Heres a guy with some balls!

http://downloads.cbn.com/cbnnewsplayer/cbnPlayer.swf?aid=11991

[Romeo]

Heres a guy with some balls!

http://downloads.cbn.com/cbnnewsplayer/cbnPlayer.swf?aid=11991

Hopefully, someone listens.

[franco6]

the muslims i have known in the the U.S have one way to talk with us non beleivers, a way to talk to each other and a way to talk to their god .NEVER BELEIVE THEM !
on pbs the other sunday morning i listenned  to the call for the muslims .the message was go forth and spread the word of mohamed to the infidels and great arm will fall on the ones that wont listen ! this on US tv!!! these people are 500 years behind the times .they belong to the inquisition or back to their desert!
PROUD TO BE AN INFIDEL :and a free thinker

[x]

If we still think it's a small extreme minority of the Muslim world that sympathizes with al-Qaeda we're just not paying attention.

Have to disagree.  Indonesia has more than 200 million Muslims and they are distinctly middle of the road, voting for secular government every time.  India has more than 160 million Muslims, and the vast, vast majority are moderates.

Actually, you'd be somewhat closer to the truth if you referred to Muslims in the Middle East... but even then, it's still a small percentage.

But, one does have to ask:  Why do not the moderate leaders condemn acts of terrorism?

[fstsix]

You know Se you might be on to something here? Point' It's a good thing that like most 'Religions'  That the 200 million you speak of, DONT understand the Quran or are faithful to follow its message, hope they are asleep like most of America, I will not defend any Religion, Not even Darwin as Mr Wilders speaks. cant help but think of the Book of 'Jude'

[Chrisj CMA]

If we still think it's a small extreme minority of the Muslim world that sympathizes with al-Qaeda we're just not paying attention.

Have to disagree.  Indonesia has more than 200 million Muslims and they are distinctly middle of the road, voting for secular government every time.  India has more than 160 million Muslims, and the vast, vast majority are moderates.

Actually, you'd be somewhat closer to the truth if you referred to Muslims in the Middle East... but even then, it's still a small percentage.

But, one does have to ask:  Why do not the moderate leaders condemn acts of terrorism?

Strong Eagle.....It is very easy to want to feel like you do about the majority of Muslims you see.  Its how I would want to feel about a people...just because they are different doesnt mean they are a threat.  Think back, this is how American Muslims were not too many years ago.  Many were drawn to them, converted, or at least were intrigued by their exotic prayers and peacefulness.  Now it seems at least in this country its like a huge psychological version of the Trojan Horse.  And now they seem to be taking over vast realestate and they arent as nice, in fact more and more radicals are imerging............wonder if Indoesia will suffer the same future?

[fstsix]

Very nice people remember this is in America.

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[Skinhead]

Very nice people remember this is in America.Arab Festival 2009: Sharia in the US

When are the people in this country going to wake up?  Ever since I have moved to Michigan, I have encountered more middle easterners than anytime in my entire life.  I have found them to be rude, intolerant, and disrespectful.  They care only about their rights, and not the rights of others.  When dealing with Islamics, I don't think we can assume them to be innocent until proven guilty, ( like our 3 navy seals have been), rather they must be considered a threat.  In my dealings with them I have seen them commit assault, theft, and intimidation.  I have personally seen 12 year old Americans and Islamics have the usual childhood altercations, when the Islamics call in their 35 year old relatives that assaulted the children with pipes and sticks.  One young punk used to like to go  around maceing neighborhood children ( mine were once his victims), he was charged with assault and his father ( I witnessed this personally) went around the Arab businesses gathering signatures on statements saying what a good harmless kid he was.  That child, in his teens now, later got what he deserved when some one shot him.

After the Japanese attacked the US, we rounded up Japanese-Americans and put them in camps.  We all agree that wasn't the right thing to do, but in the case of Muslims, I think they have demonstrated that they are a greater potential threat than the Japanese-Americans ever were, and I personally think it is time to stop letting them infiltrate our country. 

Wake up people.

[Willow]

If we still think it's a small extreme minority of the Muslim world that sympathizes with al-Qaeda we're just not paying attention.

Have to disagree.  Indonesia has more than 200 million Muslims and they are distinctly middle of the road, voting for secular government every time.  India has more than 160 million Muslims, and the vast, vast majority are moderates.

Actually, you'd be somewhat closer to the truth if you referred to Muslims in the Middle East... but even then, it's still a small percentage.

But, one does have to ask:  Why do not the moderate leaders condemn acts of terrorism?

Firstly let me say, Strong Eagle, that I appreciate (and am not all all surprised at ) your polite statement of disagreement.  Let me attempt to as politely, but strongly, express my disagreement with your disagreement.

I didn't intend to communicate a distinction between moderate and "radical" Muslims.  I don't see a distinction.  Now if we were to talk about secular versus religious Muslims we could have a meaningful discussion.  Incidentally, over the past ten or twelve years those "moderate" Muslims of Indonesia have been repeatedly and regularly mobilized into rioting mobs that have murdered large numbers of Indonesian Christians burning their churches and homes.  Perhaps you were unaware of that because we don't read the same news.

"Muslims in the Middle East" is a reference rather out in the open.  What are your accepted boundaries of the Middle East (It's a rhetorical question)?  What would be your delineation between a small percentage, a significant percentage, and a large percentage?  I'm guessing that you've interpreted my assessment of sympathizing with membership or direct physical support of the organization.

I find the first and the final sentences of your response to be the most meaningful and ones with which I wholeheartedly agree.  I understand that you're compelled to disagree and I can easily see how you would be bewildered by why the "moderate" don't condemn acts of terrorism by Muslims.

The reason for both is a flawed world view.  A reporter after the attacks at Fort Hood predicted that the mainstream media (and secular America by implication) would struggle with finding a reason why this Army major had "snapped" because we as Americans simply cannot understand that someone could execute such an act based solely upon belief and not because of some emotional or mental flaw.

What we see is very different because we simply don't see the world with similar eyes.       

[Scanner]

"Perhaps you were unaware of that because we don't read the same news.", "a flawed world view", "What we see is very different because we simply don't see the world with similar eyes." 

Maybe the difference is that SE lives there and you live in Olathe Kansas. He sees it with his own eyes and the "news" that informs your assumed "flawless" world view has been filtered through someone, or more likely, many people, each with their own views to affirm.

[hotglue #43]

 I have never seen an event for which I had 1st hand knowledge, that was reported accurately.  Period.  Tv, radio, newspapers.... they all have their bias and gotta make it FANTASTIC for veiwer share.  All news is skewed..... What you choose to injest is no more or less skewed than what anyone else decides to partake......just a different veiwpoint.
  I take it all with a grain of salt.  Remember when to be DISCRIMINATING was a good thing?  

[Willow]

"Perhaps you were unaware of that because we don't read the same news.", "a flawed world view", "What we see is very different because we simply don't see the world with similar eyes." 

Maybe the difference is that SE lives there and you live in Olathe Kansas. He sees it with his own eyes and the "news" that informs your assumed "flawless" world view has been filtered through someone, or more likely, many people, each with their own views to affirm.

Scanner, my friend, allow me to avoid expressing to you the appreciation that I communicated to Strong Eagle for his polite disagreement.   

Of all the points at which you could choose to interject your attack on my knowledge (education, personal prejudice, age, lack of reading skills) you selected location? I find it almost (the operative term being almost) incredible that anyone in today's electronic age could seriously believe that better information is somehow available to someone simply because that someone is not in Olathe?  Honestly, we in Olathe, Kansas have had connection to the outside world for several months now.    

For the record (is anyone recording?) your assumption of my assumption that my world view is flawless is terribly flawed.  My belief is that we all have flaws in our world views, some, most certainly, more than others.  Where we have differences in viewpoints are obviously the places at which we are strongly convinced that our world view is correct and the other person's world view is less than absolutely accurate.  Wouldn't the world be so much less interesting were we all to have the same world view, perhaps yours?

Location denotes accuracy of available information?  Really?  The ignorance of your arrogance should be evident to all.  Perhaps even to yourself in this instance.

I'm really not deeply into these extended arguments over whose world view is correct, primarily because, as you have so aptly demonstrated, many folks simply cannot conduct themselves within the disagreement without resorting to personal attacks or unsubstantiated assertions of intellectual superiority.  I replied to Wayne as a courtesy because he replied to my post.  I replied to you, Scanner, because I just couldn't help myself.  I do sincerely try to stay out of this kind of wasted efforts.

Be safe and have a very Merry Christmas.   

 

[x]

What we see is very different because we simply don't see the world with similar eyes.       

On this point I have to agree.

Otherwise, Indonesia struggles with its extremists and it executes them when it catches them.  You might want to google 'Mas Selamat' which will lead you to many articles about anti-terrorism activities.  Thailand simply executes them in the southern states, possibly an action with which you would agree.

But Indonesia itself is not extreme at all, and the fundamental view (that which we see differently apparently) is that you believe that to be a Muslim necessarily dictates an intolerant behavior for all believers.  My experience does not support this view.  I have lived and worked in Malaysia and Indonesia and the average guy on the street doesn't give a crap about theological viewpoints that warrant extremism.

If we wish to talk about 'belief' as being the overriding criteria as to whether a religious group can be trusted, I say we need look no further than Christians in the United States.  Do abortion doctor killers and those who torch clinics in the name of the Christian God show that all Christians are extremists?  Are the Christians who would deny gays and females equal rights under biblical 'principles' representative of mainstream Christianity?  
 
If 'belief' is the criterion, then you must either believe that both religions are similar, with mainstream and extremists, or you must believe that Islam is inferior, at least from the perspective that moderation is not permitted.
 
Christianity didn't get dragged into modernity until the 19th century with the advent of scientific reasoning, and Islam still has not been dragged into modernity.  The fundamental issues of extremism lie not with the religion itself but with a small number of leader practitioners who would try to keep the population in the 17th century.

Or to put it another way... if you couldn't get a job, couldn't drink a cold beer, and couldn't get any pussy... never mind watching sports on TV, you too, might express your frustration in extremism.  This is the fundamental ill of some forms of Islam... failure to recognize that the modern world is here and adapting to it.

[Scanner]

"Perhaps you were unaware of that because we don't read the same news.", "a flawed world view", "What we see is very different because we simply don't see the world with similar eyes."  

Maybe the difference is that SE lives there and you live in Olathe Kansas. He sees it with his own eyes and the "news" that informs your assumed "flawless" world view has been filtered through someone, or more likely, many people, each with their own views to affirm.

Scanner, my friend, allow me to avoid expressing to you the appreciation that I communicated to Strong Eagle for his polite disagreement.  

Of all the points at which you could choose to interject your attack on my knowledge (education, personal prejudice, age, lack of reading skills) you selected location? I find it almost (the operative term being almost) incredible that anyone in today's electronic age could seriously believe that better information is somehow available to someone simply because that someone is not in Olathe?  Honestly, we in Olathe, Kansas have had connection to the outside world for several months now.    

For the record (is anyone recording?) your assumption of my assumption that my world view is flawless is terribly flawed.  My belief is that we all have flaws in our world views, some, most certainly, more than others.  Where we have differences in viewpoints are obviously the places at which we are strongly convinced that our world view is correct and the other person's world view is less than absolutely accurate.  Wouldn't the world be so much less interesting were we all to have the same world view, perhaps yours?

Location denotes accuracy of available information?  Really?  The ignorance of your arrogance should be evident to all.  Perhaps even to yourself in this instance.

I'm really not deeply into these extended arguments over whose world view is correct, primarily because, as you have so aptly demonstrated, many folks simply cannot conduct themselves within the disagreement without resorting to personal attacks or unsubstantiated assertions of intellectual superiority.  I replied to Wayne as a courtesy because he replied to my post.  I replied to you, Scanner, because I just couldn't help myself.  I do sincerely try to stay out of this kind of wasted efforts.

Be safe and have a very Merry Christmas.    

 

Willow, you'll note that those are your quotes, so for you to imply SE has a flawed world view would appear to be based on the assumption that yours was not.  

The point I made was that SE is there living in the culture daily. You are from a diametrically opposite culture and rely on "reading the news" to form your views. If you believe that your news is unfiltered and equates to being there, ride on.

Sorry if you consider that a "personal attack" or "unsubstantiated assertions of intellectual superiority".  I don't see it, but that's probably due to "the ignorance of my arrogance".


Happy Holidays 

[Serk]

I just hafta point out that, while I'm sure SE has visited Indonesia, he seems very well traveled (I'm extremely jealous of that), Indonesia is not the same thing as Singapore...

Singapore is majority Buddhist, with near equal parts Islam/None/Christian tied for 2nd place, with a very strong tradition of religious tolerance... The reference was to Indonesia, which isn't where SE lives...

(Sorry, just had to point out that the arguments were totally missing that one little point...  )

[SANDMAN5]

If we wish to talk about 'belief' as being the overriding criteria as to whether a religious group can be trusted, I say we need look no further than Christians in the United States.  Do abortion doctor killers and those who torch clinics in the name of the Christian God show that all Christians are extremists?  Are the Christians who would deny gays and females equal rights under biblical 'principles' representative of mainstream Christianity? 

Couple of points. Being a "Christian" and being "religious" are very often vastly different. I, for example, am a Christian but I can hardly stand to be around someone that is religious. After all, Jesus wasn't
religious so why should I be? He even spoke against religious traditions and how they adversely
affect the Word of God. So, with that being said, just because someone kills a doctor or burns a
building and claims to do it "in Jesus' name" don't mean He condones it. Can you find, in the New
Testament, where Jesus says we're supposed to kill abortion doctors? As far as homosexuals having
equal rights....I'm pretty sure they can vote, drive a car, own businesses, etc. But, of course,
you're talking about letting them marry each other. As much as you hate the idea, the vast
majority of the framers of this country read the Bible more than most people do today. That fact
bothers you, but that don't change the fact that it's true. Besides, if we let any man that wants to
marry another man go ahead and do it..or let women marry women...and let anybody wanting to
have an abortion have one...in 2 or 3 generations we'll be rid of the democratic party. Then what
would people like you complain about? Oh, there wouldn't BE any people like you!!
And another thing. I'm not sure who you're trying to impress with your vulgar language, but it
ain't working. It's only showing your lack of self confidence.
Flame away...I can take it!!
 

[fstsix]

But...but... but? i will miss my stepdady Bashful and and wwwhat ffffun would thaaat be be if wewe dont haaavvvve any of of hissssss Racial remarks of who is taking his job in the South? 

[SANDMAN5]

But...but... but? i will miss my stepdady Bashful and and wwwhat ffffun would thaaat be be if wewe dont haaavvvve any of of hissssss Racial remarks of who is taking his job in the South?

First off, the "b" in bashful shouldn't be capitalized..my choice.
Second, I'm not quite sure if you're posting for someone else
or just making a joke.
Third, "racist"?!? That's news to me!!
Fourth, didn't know anybody was taking my job!
Fifth, all the extra letters looks like "stuttering". I don't stutter, but I do
occasionally have to stop and catch my breath. (25 or so years of smoking, quit 6+ yrs ago)

[fstsix]

But...but... but? i will miss my stepdady Bashful and and wwwhat ffffun would thaaat be be if wewe dont haaavvvve any of of hissssss Racial remarks of who is taking his job in the South?

First off, the "b" in bashful shouldn't be capitalized..my choice.
Second, I'm not quite sure if you're posting for someone else
or just making a joke.
Third, "racist"?!? That's news to me!!
Fourth, didn't know anybody was taking my job!
Fifth, all the extra letters looks like "stuttering". I don't stutter, but I do
occasionally have to stop and catch my breath. (25 or so years of smoking, quit 6+ yrs ago)

you did'nt know Scammer was my stepdady? bashfulbob and if all goes as  the liberal Religion goes forward i will no longer have a cyber stepdady?

[fstsix]

   
   
Re: Here's the problem (Political)
« Reply #88 on: October 31, 2009, 11:28:57 AM »
   
Quote from: Jeff K on October 31, 2009, 08:51:36 AM
Quote from: fstsix on October 31, 2009, 08:09:44 AM
Its Raining in W.A again. This is how the free market works.http://biggovernment.com/2009/10/31/boeing-heads-south-for-better-business-climate-washington-state-politicians-are-surprised/#more-23366


Stories like that bring a smile to my face. Grin
The politicians and unions got exactly what they bargained for. uglystupid2
Good for the people (redneck back woods hicks) of South Carolina. cooldude
Out of the blue and into the red.

Scanner's reply'
The truth is Boeing's move had absolutely zero to do with politicians or unions - that was just BS to string it out and wring every drop they could out of SC in incentives.

The Boeing suits don't seem to remember why we bought Vought in SC in the first place.  It was because Vought failed miserably at producing a workable or quality product to support 787.  Boeing had to move in those damn yankee union guys to fix it.  Now they move an entire assy line there because they can get workers at near Mexican wages and benefits.  But I guarantee, we aren't gonna fix it this time. Then again, this move is just temporary until they complete the move to China where there are even cheaper wages.

[fstsix]

Scanner reply'    
Re: Here's the problem (Political)
« Reply #92 on: October 31, 2009, 01:34:09 PM »
   
Quote from: fstsix on October 31, 2009, 01:11:56 PM
And the name calling starts  again with Direct Racial insults. HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH. BTW my youngest son is adopted from southern CA 1/2 Mexican, HONKEY! How is that Heart doing.

Fishstix, you really need to get a grip. I been shining you on like a slow stepchild but this is getting more than a little tiresome.  Bear down and try to figure out what's goin on before you start typing...
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Four wheels move your body,
Two wheels move your soul.

[Willow]

What we see is very different because we simply don't see the world with similar eyes. 

On this point I have to agree.

We agree.  I find it rewarding to be able to end a discussion on that note.

Otherwise, for the remaining points we would quickly get into off topic stuff as it would become rapidly apparent that we build from completely different foundations.  I would find it difficult to support almost any of your foundational assertions as would you find it impossible to accept or support mine.

Let's you and I simply agree that we both enjoy fine motorcycles of a similar lineage although we do, most likely, enjoy them in very different ways.

Be safe, Wayne, and enjoy a very Merry Christmas.

[Willow]

Sorry if you consider that a "personal attack" or "unsubstantiated assertions of intellectual superiority".  I don't see it, but that's probably due to "the ignorance of my arrogance". 

Once more it's good to end a discussion on a solid point of agreement.

As an aside I've repeatedly been amazed at your powers of logic.

May the season be good to you and all yours.