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« on: February 11, 2020, 10:58:25 PM » |
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Love the looks and handling of my Vredestein but it's getting old.
In the market but I love the looks of a good directional tire and I see nothing??
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« Reply #1 on: February 12, 2020, 07:47:33 AM » |
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Yokahama Neova AD08 R Is the best looking, best handling tire I have run. It only comes in 205-55-16. It seems to run about 200 RPM higher than my I/S with stock size tire. Launches are quicker and rock solid.
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Pappy!
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« Reply #2 on: February 12, 2020, 07:22:27 PM » |
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Thanks! Have you run one of these? My first reaction was that it needs additional siping but then when I look again it sort of resembles what we normally see on a lot of MC tires. Yes, there are several good looking directional tires in the 55 series but the 60's are just plain vanilla looking. Mine is getting old, not worn out yet. Want to change it out for that reason alone. Love the looks and handling of it and it is amazing in the rain but alas.....not made anymore.  pic image upload |
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Gryphon Rider
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« Reply #3 on: February 13, 2020, 07:40:36 AM » |
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This is the one I have in my garage waiting to be installed. Yokohama Avid Envigor:  |
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« Reply #4 on: February 13, 2020, 06:56:40 PM » |
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Thanks Gryphon....that one is on my short list, as in very short!
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« Reply #5 on: February 13, 2020, 08:38:01 PM » |
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My 2 cents.
I have run Yokohama's on fast cars always the same result. Better grip, worse ride comfort. Don't know if that will apply to a motorcycle but I would expect a rougher ride.
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« Reply #6 on: February 14, 2020, 01:30:20 PM » |
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Do you guys pick tires based on the sipes, pattern?
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Pappy!
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« Reply #7 on: February 14, 2020, 05:58:46 PM » |
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Ron, can't speak for everyone as the area they ride may dictate a difference in what they would want or need in a tire just as much as their own riding capabilities and characteristics.
Here in Central Florida I look for tires that have good to great rain capabilities.
In a rear tire on a bike the large footprint would hydroplane if it did not have good deep grooves to handle the amount of water we see.
I like siping on the edges as well, again for rain and cornering. We don't have many good corners here but the bike does head to places that do.
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« Reply #8 on: February 14, 2020, 10:19:19 PM » |
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I like a symmetrical, unidirectional, V-shaped tread pattern for its appearance. For water evacuation I like deep grooves. I don’t think sipes are important, except on ice. The tires in the size I prefer all happen to have some siping because they are all-season tires.
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« Reply #9 on: February 15, 2020, 07:38:49 PM » |
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As determined as I was to find a "perfect tire" I opted for the tried and true and pretty good looking Avid Envigor.
Have one on the way from Simple Tire.
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« Reply #10 on: February 18, 2020, 07:34:29 AM » |
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 Here is an interesting looking tire: Michelin CrossClimate+ I do not have this on my bike, I have no plans to buy this tire. I merely note it seems to fit the description provided by Gryphon Rider. |
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« Reply #11 on: February 18, 2020, 07:50:33 AM » |
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Here is an interesting looking tire: Michelin CrossClimate+ I do not have this on my bike, I have no plans to buy this tire. I merely note it seems to fit the description provided by Gryphon Rider. I'm using that tire right now and its the best one I have every used. |
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« Reply #12 on: February 18, 2020, 03:55:12 PM » |
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Appreciate all the DS info I find here. My new to me IS is my first time on DS with a Goodyear Assurance on the rear and a D404 on the front. Kind of underwhelmed with the handling when comparing to my tourer with Avons with a rarely aggressive riding style.  Hoping a change to the Michelin Crossmate + or Hankook Optimo on the rear with a Cobra Chrome front will give me a little more confidence. |
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« Reply #13 on: February 18, 2020, 04:11:31 PM » |
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Michelin Crossmate +
Totally neutral @30psi
Bin DS since '04 and this is the best car tire I have found !
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« Reply #14 on: February 18, 2020, 06:34:33 PM » |
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Appreciate all the DS info I find here. My new to me IS is my first time on DS with a Goodyear Assurance on the rear and a D404 on the front. Kind of underwhelmed with the handling when comparing to my tourer with Avons with a rarely aggressive riding style. Hoping a change to the Michelin Crossmate + or Hankook Optimo on the rear with a Cobra Chrome front will give me a little more confidence. There seems to be quite few models with the Goodyear Assurance name. https://www.goodyear.com/en-US/tires/family/assurance |
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« Reply #15 on: February 21, 2020, 09:53:44 AM » |
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I like a symmetrical, unidirectional, V-shaped tread pattern for its appearance. For water evacuation I like deep grooves. I don’t think sipes are important, except on ice. The tires in the size I prefer all happen to have some siping because they are all-season tires.
Sipes are very important for all everyday road conditions. some testing shows siping increases life span of the tire tread. maybe u should look them up.  |
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« Reply #16 on: February 23, 2020, 09:15:22 PM » |
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« Reply #17 on: February 25, 2020, 08:15:24 AM » |
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I like a symmetrical, unidirectional, V-shaped tread pattern for its appearance. For water evacuation I like deep grooves. I don’t think sipes are important, except on ice. The tires in the size I prefer all happen to have some siping because they are all-season tires.
Sipes are very important for all everyday road conditions. some testing shows siping increases life span of the tire tread. maybe u should look them up. Which is why motorcycle tire manufacturers sipe all their street tires.   What testing are you citing? |
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« Reply #18 on: February 25, 2020, 08:42:40 AM » |
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I like a symmetrical, unidirectional, V-shaped tread pattern for its appearance. For water evacuation I like deep grooves. I don’t think sipes are important, except on ice. The tires in the size I prefer all happen to have some siping because they are all-season tires.
Sipes are very important for all everyday road conditions. some testing shows siping increases life span of the tire tread. maybe u should look them up. Which is why motorcycle tire manufacturers sipe all their street tires. What testing are you citing? that's right shorter life, so u buy more often. Enjoy! Dunlops D404 are known for long life, they have siping. |
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Pappy!
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« Reply #19 on: February 26, 2020, 06:36:31 PM » |
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Not to start an argument here but I do not see any siping in the photo of the tire above.
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« Reply #20 on: February 27, 2020, 07:17:37 AM » |
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Not to start an argument here but I do not see any siping in the photo of the tire above.
Re-read Gryphon Rider's post as follows: [SARCASM FONT ON]Which is why motorcycle tire manufacturers sipe all their street tires. [SARCASM FONT OFF]You are correct--there is no siping on the Avon Cobra Chrome. |
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« Reply #21 on: February 27, 2020, 08:05:03 AM » |
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As a rider who has had tires sipped, tires for cage not bike, they do seem to increase the mileage on the tires. I started getting my cage tires sipped in 2000 as alterative to having two sets of tires, ones for normal driving conditions and studded tires for winter. The sipped all weather tires did/do almost as well as the studded tires and don't require changing tires in the fall/spring. I also run D404 on the front of my Valk, I hope the sipping comment above was in sarcasm font as I did check to see if sipped just now. I ain't. My new tires I just got for my truck this last fall were sipped during their manufacturing. Not sure if this is the new norm or not. When I got the truck I 2015 and or car in 2016, I took their tires in to get sipped first thing. I was like $15 per tire. Getting back to the original topic, since our rear tires a mostly hid from view, what is the big deal about how they look? |
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Pappy!
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« Reply #22 on: February 27, 2020, 03:50:24 PM » |
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Oleman - I sort of agree with you but I have had enough comments about how good looking my rear tire is and how does it perform etc. that I kind of want something that is non-generic looking. My preference.
One thing I can tell you about the particular tire I have on mine is that it puts up one Hell of a roostertail of water in the rain. If on a bike and following you won't follow close and I have seen cars back way off as well.
I almost pulled the trigger on the Michelin Crossclimate betting that it would be as good in the bad weather.
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