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« Reply #1 on: February 16, 2020, 12:00:23 PM » |
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I’ll have to fire up the dvr. I like bingeing on those short series. |
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« Reply #2 on: February 16, 2020, 01:10:58 PM » |
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I am looking forward to it.
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« Reply #4 on: February 16, 2020, 02:10:08 PM » |
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sounds like a good one to watch been watching ads for it all day long today watching on the HISTORY channel the series called: The Food that Built America. GREAT true documentary of the late 1800's and early 1900's such as Hershey, Kelloggs, Post, Coca Cola, and even Heinz who was the first company to build a factory run by electricity. All true visionaries and remarkable go hung attitude to keep trying failure after failure. I find these series that built America very, very interesting to watch. Too bad the formula for Coca Cola was revamped way back then was first made from a coca leave plant used to make cocaine. LOL  |
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« Reply #5 on: February 16, 2020, 04:54:14 PM » |
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Been waiting all week for it, hope it’s good and not just a bunch of interviews. |
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« Reply #6 on: February 17, 2020, 06:20:53 PM » |
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Been waiting all week for it, hope it’s good and not just a bunch of interviews. Part 2 tonight. I for one learned a lot last night. Showing his mistakes makes him even more impressive in my opinion. |
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« Reply #7 on: February 17, 2020, 07:26:59 PM » |
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Been waiting all week for it, hope it’s good and not just a bunch of interviews. Part 2 tonight. I for one learned a lot last night. Showing his mistakes makes him even more impressive in my opinion. So far I’ve been enjoying it, I hope he pulls off the victory in the end, I’m really pulling for those guys fighting for their freedom. |
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« Reply #9 on: February 18, 2020, 03:29:48 AM » |
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It sure contains a lot of the actual history that was not included during my history education, which of course always made Washington to be a far larger than life figure, with out the normal human short comings. I now understand how his disdain for the English and the Crown came about. There policies kept these large planters ( same for Jefferson ) in perpetual debt. Then all the land he earned as payment, close to 60,000 acres, in the Ohio lands, as a surveyor ( self taught ) and he intended to hold onto until prices went up were taken away by the English Gov't. Then the English Officers always thought the American's to be sub par soldiers and refused him and English Commission, even though he saved the force of General Braddock at the Battle of the Wilderness ( or Monangahela ) from total annihilation. He was not a great tactical general, but was an extraordinary leader, and the right man at the right time. For me he will always be far larger than life.
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« Reply #10 on: February 18, 2020, 12:34:27 PM » |
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I watched the first episode. I would put it in the category of historical fiction transitions to revisionist history. The clips they show are obviously inaccurate and built to deliver the slant the authors desired. I don't like the actor or the method used to portray George Washington.
Historical fiction is developed by taking known historical information and then filling in the gaps between what is known by a story line. It can be useful and very interesting. Unfortunately ofttimes those filled in spaces are seeing a past through the lens and with the biases of today's cultural values and perspectives. The fiction itself is speculation. It can be used to make historical persons and events seem more real and memorable to the reader (or watcher). It can also be used to cast a different image for the historical person represented.
An example of how the presenters intentionally twisted the meaning of history was when a letter (know history) was read after George Washington was spared from a very dangerous situation in battle. The commentator said Washington specifically credited Providence rather than God. Almost everyone knows that a Christian referencing Providence upper cased means (and meant) God.
I prefer the image of George Washington that I have long held. I'm not open to revision.
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« Reply #11 on: February 18, 2020, 02:02:47 PM » |
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I’m curious why you take exception to them using the term providence ? I’m not steeped in religion, but I took it to mean he referred to God’s help. I had to look up the definition.
“the protective care of God or of nature as a spiritual power.”
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« Reply #12 on: February 18, 2020, 03:09:04 PM » |
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I’m curious why you take exception to them using the term providence ? I’m not steeped in religion, but I took it to mean he referred to God’s help. I had to look up the definition.
“the protective care of God or of nature as a spiritual power.”
The quote the commentator made was, "He accredited Providence rather than God." In the letter George Washington upper cased Providence. These days there is a move afoot by many to claim that George Washington was not a Christian. I did not take exception to the use of the term. I took exception to the commentator's statement regarding Washington's use of the term. |
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« Reply #13 on: February 18, 2020, 03:35:48 PM » |
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If I remember my Catholic School English/Grammar/Religion correctly, Providence could be written and spoken alone and still infer the meaning of Divine Providence. It’s pretty much obsolete use of language in modern era as it was in the way, way back days of old.
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« Reply #14 on: February 18, 2020, 03:37:58 PM » |
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I’m curious why you take exception to them using the term providence ? I’m not steeped in religion, but I took it to mean he referred to God’s help. I had to look up the definition.
“the protective care of God or of nature as a spiritual power.”
The quote the commentator made was, "He accredited Providence rather than God." In the letter George Washington upper cased Providence. These days there is a move afoot by many to claim that George Washington was not a Christian. I did not take exception to the use of the term. I took exception to the commentator's statement regarding Washington's use of the term. Thanks for the explanation. I wasn't aware of a movement claiming Washington was not a Christian. It has always seemed self evident to me that he was. |
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« Reply #15 on: February 18, 2020, 04:38:23 PM » |
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From Wikipedia...for what it’s worth; https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divine_providenceIn theology, divine providence, or just providence, is God's intervention in the Universe. The term Divine Providence (usually capitalized) is also used as a title of God. A distinction is usually made between "general providence", which refers to God's continuous upholding of the existence and natural order of the Universe, and "special providence", which refers to God's extraordinary intervention in the life of people.[1] Miracles generally fall in the latter category.[2] |
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« Reply #17 on: February 18, 2020, 05:45:21 PM » |
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 It was probably a theologian that made the show.  I love this story of Washington, "I am a Chief and ruler of many tribes My influence extends to the waters of the Great Lakes, and to the far Blue Mountains. I have traveled a long and weary path that I might see the young warrior of the great battle. It was on the day when the white man's blood mixed with the streams of our forest that I first beheld this chief (Washington). I called to my young men and said, mark yon tall and daring warrior? He is not of the red-coat tribe--he hath an Indian's wisdom and his Warriors fight as we do-- himself alone exposed. Quick let your aim be certain, and he dies. Our rifles were leveled, rifles which, but for you, did not miss--'twas all in vain; a power mightier far that we, shielded him from harm. He did not die in battle. I am old, and soon shall be gathering to the great council fire by my fathers, in the land of shades, but ere I go, there is a something bids me speak, in the voice of Prophesy. Listen! the Great Spirit protects that man, and guides his Destinies; he will become the chief of many nations, and a people yet unborn will hail him as the founder of a mighty empire. I am come to pay homage to the man who is the particular favorite of Heaven, and who can never die in battle. " It is well established that George Washington was a member of the Freemasons, a fraternal society that had reached America from Great Britain by the 1720’s. George Washington became a Mason at age 20 in 1753. Interestingly, brother George Washington took his oath of office as the first President of the United States with his hand upon a Bible from St. John’s Lodge No. 1,of the Ancient York Masons. Since then, George Washington’s Inaugural Bible has been used used for the inaugurations of Warren G. Harding, Dwight D. Eisenhower, Jimmy Carter, and George H. W. Bush. https://americanhistory.si.edu/blog/2011/02/brother-washingtons-apron-a-masonic-mystery-part-1-of-3.htmlThe Bible is the King James Version, complete with the Apocrypha and elaborately supplemented with the historical, astronomical and legal data of that period. It contains numerous artistic steel engravings portraying Biblical narratives from designs and paintings by old masters and engraved by the celebrated English artist, John Stuart. After the conclusion of the War of Independence, New York City became the first Constitutional capital of the United States, and it was there on April 30th, 1789 that Brother George Washington was to be sworn in as the first President of the United States. On a platform erected for the purpose, in front of the then City Hall, were gathered the Congress of the United States, with George Washington and Chancellor Livingston, Grand Master of Masons in the State of New York. In front of them was an immense concourse of citizens. It was indeed a great holiday occasion; the Revolutionary War was over and peace reigned throughout the country. Everything was ready for the administration of the oath of office to the President of the new government, when it was discovered that a Holy Bible had not been provided on which the President-Elect could swear allegiance to the Constitution. Jacob Morton, who was Marshal of the parade, and at that time Master of St. John’s Lodge, was standing close by. Seeing the dilemma they were in, he remarked that he could get the altar Bible of St. John’s Lodge, which met at the Old Coffee House on the corner of Water and Wall Streets. Chancellor Livingston begged him to do so. The Bible was brought, and the ceremony proceeded. The stately Washington took his oath with his right hand resting on the Bible which had been opened to Genesis XLIX and L. His head bowed in a reverential manner, he added in a clear and distinct voice, “I swear, so help me God!” then bowing over this magnificent Bible, he reverently kissed it, whereupon Chancellor Livingston exclaimed in a ringing voice, “Long live George Washington, President of the United States!” To preserve the memory of this auspicious event, a page was inserted in the Bible with the following inscription: “On this sacred volume, on the 30th day of April, A. L. 5789, in the City of New York, was administered to George Washington, the first president of the United States of America, the oath to support the Constitution of the United States. This important ceremony was performed by the Most Worshipful Grand Master of Free and Accepted Masons of the State of New York, the Honorable Robert R. Livingston, Chancellor of the State. Fame stretched her wings and with her trumpet blew. Great Washington is near. What praise is due? What title shall he have? She paused, and said ‘Not one – his name alone strikes every title dead.“ I will not watch the Washington show because of many of the reasons that Willow spoke of so please excuse if this was in it. But there is no doubt who Washington was honoring in his inauguration and address to the nation. But I doubt we will ever hear the truth on a show made for tv. On the morning of the day on which our illustrious President will be invested with his office, the bells will ring at nine o’clock, when the people may go up to the house of God and in a solemn manner commit the new government, with its important train of consequences, to the holy protection and blessing of the Most High. An early hour is prudently fixed for this peculiar act of devotion and . . . is designed wholly for prayer Washington's prayer,In that first-ever presidential address, Washington opened with a heartfelt prayer, explaining that it would be peculiarly improper to omit in this first official act my fervent supplications to that Almighty Being Who rules over the universe, Who presides in the councils of nations, and Whose providential aids can supply every human defect – that His benediction may consecrate to the liberties and happiness of the people of the United States a government instituted by themselves for these essential purposes. Washington’s inaugural address was strongly religious, and he called his listeners to remember and acknowledge God In tendering this homage [act of worship] to the Great Author of every public and private good, I assure myself that it expresses your sentiments not less than my own, nor those of my fellow-citizens at large less than either. No people can be bound to acknowledge and adore the Invisible Hand which conducts the affairs of men more than those of the United States. Every step by which they have advanced to the character of an independent nation seems to have been distinguished by some token of Providential Agency. . . . [and] we ought to be no less persuaded that the propitious [favorable] smiles of Heaven can never be expected on a nation that disregards the eternal rules of order and right which Heaven itself has ordained. That after the oath shall have been administered to the President, he – attended by the Vice-President and members of the Senate and House of Representatives – proceed to St. Paul’s Chapel to hear Divine service. When taken in the full context of the speech and events it leaves no doubt who was being honored by this word. History gets rewritten and people think they know the history of our nation by watching these shows.
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« Reply #18 on: February 19, 2020, 10:11:18 AM » |
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Washington was Anglican and owned several pews in different Anglican churches. The majority of early Americans were either Anglican or Protestant. [ The first Americans were Puritan and Pilgrim and didn't get along well with each other]
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« Reply #19 on: February 19, 2020, 10:47:21 AM » |
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Well......as with much on this forum, my opinion differs. I enjoyed the series, didn’t think it was slanted against Washington or his religion. I thought it presented him in a very human and moral light.
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« Reply #20 on: February 19, 2020, 10:54:14 AM » |
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A synopsis of our greatest president's adulthood, military career, and political career. The details are in his personal writings as well as respected historians analyses of his life. His relationship to a higher power has it's place in the narrative and whatever it was, it fortified and grounded him morally to manage his personal and professional lives for the betterment of our country. Releasing his slaves upon his death speaks all that I ever need to know about the man's final decision to admit those people as free beings and that they live as such. The series was meant to show his adult humanity, the strengths and weaknesses, in light of all the myths that have surrounded his life through faux history and tall tales. The producers did good work here. Perhaps your library may have this series. Time to check out a book or two about him?  https://www.loa.org/books/5-writingsThere are some gems hiding in there and so judge for yourself. |
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« Reply #21 on: February 19, 2020, 05:07:44 PM » |
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Well......as with much on this forum, my opinion differs. I enjoyed the series, didn’t think it was slanted against Washington or his religion. I thought it presented him in a very human and moral light.
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« Reply #22 on: February 21, 2020, 07:55:01 AM » |
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On another note, I am intrigued with their upcoming series on Grant, that the History Channel advertised during the Washington series. I understand it will be based on the fabulous biography written by Ron Chernow to bring the much maligned and misunderstood man that was a business failure in the years preceding the Civil War, to become one of the great generals in our history, and a two term President who's biggest failings was trusting, but worked tirelessly to work for civil rights to the newly emancipated and stood against the KKK. Should be most interesting.
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« Reply #23 on: February 21, 2020, 07:57:27 AM » |
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On another note, I am intrigued with their upcoming series on Grant, that the History Channel advertised during the Washington series. I understand it will be based on the fabulous biography written by Ron Chernow to bring the much maligned and misunderstood man that was a business failure in the years preceding the Civil War, to become one of the great generals in our history, and a two term President who's biggest failings was trusting, but worked tirelessly to work for civil rights to the newly emancipated and stood against the KKK. Should be most interesting.
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« Reply #24 on: February 21, 2020, 06:39:34 PM » |
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Well......as with much on this forum, my opinion differs. I enjoyed the series, didn’t think it was slanted against Washington or his religion. I thought it presented him in a very human and moral light.
Well i enjoyed the series. I’m sure there was some cinematic liberties taken, but on a whole I liked it. They threw a few digs in regarding slavery which I thought was unnecessary and the whole Washington’s teeth thing could have been left out IMO. I’ve watch quite a few documentaries on History Channel and have enjoyed them and do take them all with a grain of salt knowing there are probably some cinematic liberties used in all. Watching Washington made me feel proud of what he accomplished with what he had to work with. It also made me think if they could do this good a job I wonder what they could do if they took like 2 years and did an extended version detailing the men of the Revolution and all the covert stuff that went on and possibly lead us up to Spanish/American war or WWI. |
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« Reply #25 on: February 22, 2020, 03:22:40 PM » |
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This really pisses me off. I recently dropped the cable in favor of a rogue stick and YouTube tv. I mistakenly thought it offered me everything I wanted. Unfortunately, no History channel.
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« Reply #28 on: February 23, 2020, 07:53:29 AM » |
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Watching CBS' Sunday Morning and they are reviewing a new book about George Washington.
An interesting segment focusing on his final years after the presidency. More detail.
"Washington's End" by Jonathan Horn
His last words, "Tis well".
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« Reply #29 on: February 23, 2020, 06:47:01 PM » |
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Yep, that's it. What's a rogue stick ? damn autocorrect. ROKU stick is a device that plugs into an HDMI port on your tv and streams video apps, like amazon to or YouTube tv and such. |
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