Sanders Wins Nevada!

[Rams]

Some what of a surprise, not so much that he won but the staggering size of the win.

Reports indicate Sanders carried 53% of Hispanic voters and most of the union votes.

It is, what it is.   All I've got to say about that is, if Sanders continues to win and gets the nomination, then you can plan on another 4 years of President Trump.   If any Democrat candidate can bring out the Conservative vote in mass, that would be Sanders.  Many that may have not bothered to vote and stayed home will make it a priority to go vote.   If the Dems really want to win, they need to provide a much more centrist candidate.   Just my opinion.  

Rams  

[Oss]

How do you convince people who vote for free stuff that there is no such thing?

It just seems off to me that our education system, and we as parents, have done such a bad
job raising our youngsters that they believe the communist - socialist dogma in spite of the fact that
in every case it has not only failed but failed badly

Perhaps it is only by capitalism actually creating good jobs quickly that it (socialism/communism) can be buried into the bowels of history.  And that is happening now thank goodness

Sanders has never created jobs, never lifted anyone out of poverty, never been a man of his word
and a total "animal farm" style leader

"All animals are created equal but some are more equal than others."

In his world the people who create the jobs are disposable, those who worship are likewise

He will do more to divide us than even Obama if he gets into the white house and we will lose around the world and here at home

[Chrisj CMA]

It’s a terrible thing. A sign of the successful indoctrination over the years. So many people thinking socialism would be a good thing. They don’t understand that Bernie is lying to them. Yes, everything will be provided by the government, eventually rationed and heavily controlled and there won’t be enough of anything once the government starts running out of your money they will be stealing. Socialism is always a spiral down to hard times and violence. So sad  

[Jersey mike]

How do you convince people who vote for free stuff that there is no such thing?

It just seems off to me that our education system, and we as parents, have done such a bad
job raising our youngsters that they believe the communist - socialist dogma in spite of the fact that
in every case it has not only failed but failed badly

Perhaps it is only by capitalism actually creating good jobs quickly that it (socialism/communism) can be buried into the bowels of history.  And that is happening now thank goodness

Sanders has never created jobs, never lifted anyone out of poverty, never been a man of his word
and a total "animal farm" style leader

"All animals are created equal but some are more equal than others."

In his world the people who create the jobs are disposable, those who worship are likewise

He will do more to divide us than even Obama if he gets into the white house and we will lose around the world and here at home

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again...Senator McCarthy was right but it was the way he went about it the wrong way, he attacked Hollywood and some “prestigious” stars. He also knew there was subversive politicians to be aware of. The seeds were sown decades ago and they have begun to bear fruit.

[f6john]

Well, I guess it’s a good thing. Maybe it will scare enough of the electorate to affect not only the Presidential race but the Congressional races as well. Nobody in the media could believe when they had to call the race for Trump last time, can you imagine getting up on the 4th of November and Trump has been re-elected and Pelosi, Schiff, and Chuck are gone! I know, I know, but I can dream can’t I?

[MAD6Gun]

 Every time I see Bernie talking at one of his rallies I mostly see young people behind him. Sure,there are a few older people but...Evan is right,it's all about the free stuff.  My opinion is you got all these college age "kids" that haven't lived a life yet. They live with their parents or in a dorm payed for by their parents. They haven't paid taxas, paid a mortgage or struggled to pay bills like some of their parents may have. If I had a college aged child who started campaigning for the likes of Saders there would be a big time "come to Jesus" talk.

 There was an interview with a young guy at a New Hampshire voting precinct, when asked who he was voting for he said Berne because he would forgive his college debt. My opinion is "you took out a loan to go to school, pay it back you bum."

[98valk]

How do you convince people who vote for free stuff that there is no such thing?

It just seems off to me that our education system, and we as parents, have done such a bad
job raising our youngsters that they believe the communist - socialist dogma in spite of the fact that
in every case it has not only failed but failed badly

Perhaps it is only by capitalism actually creating good jobs quickly that it (socialism/communism) can be buried into the bowels of history.  And that is happening now thank goodness

Sanders has never created jobs, never lifted anyone out of poverty, never been a man of his word
and a total "animal farm" style leader

"All animals are created equal but some are more equal than others."

In his world the people who create the jobs are disposable, those who worship are likewise

He will do more to divide us than even Obama if he gets into the white house and we will lose around the world and here at home

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again...Senator McCarthy was right but it was the way he went about it the wrong way, he attacked Hollywood and some “prestigious” stars. He also knew there was subversive politicians to be aware of. The seeds were sown decades ago and they have begun to bear fruit.

He went after the wrong industry. should have went after the college industry. much written about secret KGB spies were college professors in the 50s and 60s.

[98valk]

“When the people find that they can vote themselves money that will herald the end of the republic.”

― Benjamin Franklin


At the close of the Constitutional Convention of 1787,  Franklin was queried as he left Independence Hall on the final day of deliberation. In the notes of Dr. James McHenry, one of Maryland’s delegates to the Convention,  a lady asked Dr. Franklin “Well Doctor what have we got, a republic or a monarchy.”  Franklin replied, “A republic . . . if you can keep it.”

[Robert]

Bernie Sanders: Illegal Immigrants Are “Entitled” To The Same Government Benefits As Citizens

US officials say Russia trying to help Bernie Sanders in 2020 race
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/us-officials-say-russia-is-trying-to-help-bernie-sanders-in-2020-race

 

[F6Dave]

It’s a terrible thing. A sign of the successful indoctrination over the years. So many people thinking socialism would be a good thing. They don’t understand that Bernie is lying to them. Yes, everything will be provided by the government, eventually rationed and heavily controlled and there won’t be enough of anything once the government starts running out of your money they will be stealing. Socialism is always a spiral down to hard times and violence. So sad  

I agree.  It's more than sad, it's scary that so many have been so thoroughly indoctrinated.  Whatever history they were taught (if any) must have been revised anti-American propaganda that would make our enemies proud.

I got to witness this firsthand with my kids.  My son attended the Colorado School of Mines, got an engineering degree, and turned out fine.  But his twin sister attended Colorado University, got an unusable degree, and was brainwashed.  She emerged a very different person and wouldn't surprise me if she voted for Bernie.

I'm curious how many members plan on voting for Bernie.  Now that their democrat party is on the verge of being transformed to a socialist party, will the Trump haters vote for Bernie, a third party candidate, or sit the election out?

[f6john]

I think the thing to watch for especially after Super Tuesday is, will a candidate go into the Convention with enough delegates to win the nomination. If not, all bets are off and I can only imagine who will come out as the nominee. I feel confident that the DNC and the powers that be (money) are planning for that possibility right now.

[Serk]

Wait for it.....



And he'll bend the knee to whomever the powers that be choose again as well.....

[G-Man]

Wait for it.....



And he'll bend the knee to whomever the powers that be choose again as well.....

Because he'll get PAID to do so, again.

[The emperor has no clothes]

 There was an interview with a young guy at a New Hampshire voting precinct, when asked who he was voting for he said Berne because he would forgive his college debt. My opinion is "you took out a loan to go to school, pay it back you bum."

Isn’t it curious when a rich guy defaults on multiple loans, he is just a “businessman” trying to provide jobs. A young kid is just a “bum”. 

[Psychotic Bovine]

 There was an interview with a young guy at a New Hampshire voting precinct, when asked who he was voting for he said Berne because he would forgive his college debt. My opinion is "you took out a loan to go to school, pay it back you bum."

Isn’t it curious when a rich guy defaults on multiple loans, he is just a “businessman” trying to provide jobs. A young kid is just a “bum”.  

I have not posted on this board since last June, but finally something is posted that is so wrong that I feel the need to respond.  President Trump (who I assume you are referring to, if not, ok) has 500 companies.  6 of those "failed" and he declared bankruptcy.  That is 0.012 of of the total.  Take the student who wants his student loan paid off:  that is 100% failure rate.  Assuming he only took 1 loan out.  Also, it goes without saying that Trump's companies have paid more in taxes and generated income for his employees to negate the cost of those 6 bankruptcies.  The student has likely done little, or nothing, to "pay back" the loan.   A person who knowingly writes bad checks, or takes out loans with no intention of paying it back is a bum.
I resent those people and hold them in highest contempt.  I have paid off EVERY one of my debts.  Some so large that I didn't know how it could be done.  But, I did without some things and made a concerted effort to pay them all off (including my house).
The big problem with many people today is that they want instant gratification.  

[Serk]

The "rich businessman" declaring bankruptcy is soaking the privately held evil banks that provided the loans in the first place. (That, and when a "rich businessman" declares bankruptcy that doesn't make the debt go away, they either liquidate their assets or the debt is just restructured.)

Student Loan "forgiveness" is putting a gun to the head of every American, even those who didn't go to college, and insisting they pay off the 6 figures of student loan that we're carrying for my wife's MBA.

From a personal standpoint, student loan "forgiveness" would be awesome, we'd get outta paying the $125,000+ that we still owe and effectively increase our income by almost $1k a month that we're currently paying.

But just because it would personally help me to force a butcher in Arizona to pay off my debt for me, that doesn't make it right.

[f6john]

 There was an interview with a young guy at a New Hampshire voting precinct, when asked who he was voting for he said Berne because he would forgive his college debt. My opinion is "you took out a loan to go to school, pay it back you bum."

Isn’t it curious when a rich guy defaults on multiple loans, he is just a “businessman” trying to provide jobs. A young kid is just a “bum”. 

How would you characterize a young person who would vote for a communist just because the candidate has promised to forgive his student loans, a promise the candidate has no chance of passing in Congress? The reason I say no chance is because the same candidate is also promising health care for everyone paid for by the largest tax increase ever suggested and free college too. Then we must have free child care and paid leave for pregnancy and of course free abortions for the pregnancies that are just too inconvenient.

[Jersey mike]

 There was an interview with a young guy at a New Hampshire voting precinct, when asked who he was voting for he said Berne because he would forgive his college debt. My opinion is "you took out a loan to go to school, pay it back you bum."

Isn’t it curious when a rich guy defaults on multiple loans, he is just a “businessman” trying to provide jobs. A young kid is just a “bum”. 

The Atlantic City casino was doomed from the start, not from Trump but from the city itself. Trump wanted in on the ground floor of the gambling and there were many promises from state and local governments to clean up A/C which never happened except for about 4 block from the casinos on the boardwalk. There were heavy rumors of NJ mob as well as Philadelphia mob causing issues with labor as well as sudden political changes and “building issues”. Trumps spending on the building was outrageous too, he wanted the gem of casinos hence the name Taj Mahal. And still today A/C is a disaster...a real s#!thole...with the exception of the casino area. If you ever go, don’t wander away from the casinos too far. The highways leading in are riddled with potholes and Atlantic City Intl. Airport is nothing to write home about.

As per Trump, he used the laws and guidelines laid out by our government, that’s why accountants, corporate attorneys and tax attorneys work for him, it’s their job to make sure the laws are being used in the appropriate way, they way they were laid out.

[Jess from VA]

The "rich businessman" declaring bankruptcy is soaking the privately held evil banks that provided the loans in the first place. (That, and when a "rich businessman" declares bankruptcy that doesn't make the debt go away, they either liquidate their assets or the debt is just restructured.)

Student Loan "forgiveness" is putting a gun to the head of every American, even those who didn't go to college, and insisting they pay off the 6 figures of student loan that we're carrying for my wife's MBA.

From a personal standpoint, student loan "forgiveness" would be awesome, we'd get outta paying the $125,000+ that we still owe and effectively increase our income by almost $1k a month that we're currently paying.

But just because it would personally help me to force a butcher in Arizona to pay off my debt for me, that doesn't make it right.

Actually, it depends if the rich businessman goes for a 1) reorganization (with forgiveness of some debt but not all debt, but the company keep going, maybe under a receiver) or a 2) straight liquidation (where secured creditors get paid first (if at all) and unsecured creditors get paid last (if at all), and the company disappears, and all debt does go away).

(Federal) bankruptcy lets both citizens and corporations go either one way or the other. (so do many state bankruptcy laws, and you can choose between them, but in MI the deal was much better for the debtor under the federal rules in fed courts)  

But I completely agree with your main point.

It was just Nevada.  I hope the insanity tapers off.  

I'm also thinking that ancient (racist, unequal, unfair, monarchical) laws requiring some level of property ownership and investment in nation to be able to vote at all in national elections might have been a damn good idea after all.  If your balance sheet is all red debt, and you own nothing (much) or are on public assistance, you don't get to vote.  

That, or we need to look into raising the age to vote in national elections to the same age as the age to be president. 35  (the draft is gone, it's all volunteer now)

If you have to be (a worldly wise) 35 to BE president, you should have to be 35 to CHOOSE president.

One or the other.  Or both.

Forgiveness of student loans just panders to college/university mismanagement (and wealth and leftist dogma) and makes them a form of private socialism forcing everyone (with a job or money) to foot the bill for.  I hate socialism, and I'll be dammed if I want to be forced to pay for socialist education and training (and voting).

I have another idea... how about forcing all universities (from here on) to underwrite (cosign) all loans to attend their particular school (instead of the G).  If your school is so great and worth the money charged, your graduates will do well in the real world and pay you back.  If they don't, your university fails and goes under.  The G needs to stop underwriting student loans, and all other bad investments it might be making too.  I wouldn't loan my own money to a college, so why should my government guarantee metric-tons of bad debt?   So my government can default sooner?  

From K-12, WE pay (and that's bad enough), after that YOU pay.  (or borrow, and pay it back)

[Jersey mike]

 There was an interview with a young guy at a New Hampshire voting precinct, when asked who he was voting for he said Berne because he would forgive his college debt. My opinion is "you took out a loan to go to school, pay it back you bum."

Isn’t it curious when a rich guy defaults on multiple loans, he is just a “businessman” trying to provide jobs. A young kid is just a “bum”. 

How would you characterize a young person who would vote for a communist just because the candidate has promised to forgive his student loans, a promise the candidate has no chance of passing in Congress? The reason I say no chance is because the same candidate is also promising health care for everyone paid for by the largest tax increase ever suggested and free college too. Then we must have free child care and paid leave for pregnancy and of course free abortions for the pregnancies that are just too inconvenient.

My question is, is this how someone should guide a child or young adult. My kids all have student loans, which we currently help with, but we made them all take loans to build credit. My son graduated last June, got a job with the FDA in August, moved to Maryland and is now living and working to make ends meet. He’s paying his loans...$750 a month and we throw a little on top every month to help. My daughter graduates in June so we’ll start the same thing with her too and we have a third who graduates in 2 years. Hard work and responsibility builds character. Hard work and struggling is not easy, but it’s the hard part which makes the other stuff easy. Easy is a frame of mind, without the pain there is no gain. I feel bad at times for my son, he’s just getting by on a real nice entry level salary. Without his loans he’d be bringing home some nice money, but that’s the way it is.

[The emperor has no clothes]

The "rich businessman" declaring bankruptcy is soaking the privately held evil banks that provided the loans in the first place. (That, and when a "rich businessman" declares bankruptcy that doesn't make the debt go away, they either liquidate their assets or the debt is just restructured.)

Student Loan "forgiveness" is putting a gun to the head of every American, even those who didn't go to college, and insisting they pay off the 6 figures of student loan that we're carrying for my wife's MBA.

From a personal standpoint, student loan "forgiveness" would be awesome, we'd get outta paying the $125,000+ that we still owe and effectively increase our income by almost $1k a month that we're currently paying.

But just because it would personally help me to force a butcher in Arizona to pay off my debt for me, that doesn't make it right.

Never said it was right. Just pointing out the hypocrisy of rich people being hailed as saviors while students are hailed as bums.

[Alpha Dog]

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/paul-batura-ronald-reagan-warned-us-about-bernie-sanders-over-40-years-ago

[Rams]

The "rich businessman" declaring bankruptcy is soaking the privately held evil banks that provided the loans in the first place. (That, and when a "rich businessman" declares bankruptcy that doesn't make the debt go away, they either liquidate their assets or the debt is just restructured.)

Student Loan "forgiveness" is putting a gun to the head of every American, even those who didn't go to college, and insisting they pay off the 6 figures of student loan that we're carrying for my wife's MBA.

From a personal standpoint, student loan "forgiveness" would be awesome, we'd get outta paying the $125,000+ that we still owe and effectively increase our income by almost $1k a month that we're currently paying.

But just because it would personally help me to force a butcher in Arizona to pay off my debt for me, that doesn't make it right.

Well said!  Should Sanders win the Oval Office and follow through on his student loan forgiveness, I need to figure out how to get the $150,000+ Loan I already paid off back.  Suggestions?

Rams

[f6gal]

I have a some burning questions:

If the socialist faction of the democratic party takes over the party, how are moderates or left leaning folks going to vote?  

Bernie isn't even a democrat... why are they letting him run as one?

I think if Bernie gets the nomination it may well destroy the democratic party.  I want to believe, I have to believe, there are enough moderates or left-leaners that understand the ramifications of socialism.  Do they vote for Bernie anyway and hope congress will keep him in check?  Or do they stay home and not vote at all?

[Oss]

Yes the unsecured creditors are the other (usually smaller) businesses that will lose 100% of what they are owed.  The banks however usually have buco security and the preferred stock

Bovine made a good point for a psychotic (just playing with your handle) in that that very student who is voting for forgiveness (while still in school or not yet 10 yrs out) is worse than the businessman who had to throw in the towel and declare bankruptcy

In almost every case (a trustee has to review all filings and he does NOT work for the debtor) the stigma and shame of bankruptcy stays with a person his whole life.  I have been told by a client who was a veteran that it was like losing a team member in action and wondering what he could have done differently.  It is damn hard to run a business.

In my case I am proud that I was able to rescue my dad's practice in the 1980's. My family paid heavy personal and other costs but we stayed solvent and kept our office building and our homes but lost all the other real estate.
It sucks big time to fail at a business you invested so much of yourselves into.

So I know that in many cases those employees may have been like family to the businessman who failed.  The student saying Bernie make the govmt pay for my education - worth nothing - was just sucking on the hind tit of the bank or his parents

Welcome back Bovine and Connie I have been saying the DNC will force an implosion of the party for a few years now

[f6gal]

Yes the unsecured creditors are the other (usually smaller) businesses that will lose 100% of what they are owed.  The banks however usually have buco security and the preferred stock

The government doesn't make student loans, they insure student loans.  So, if student loan debt is forgiven, creditors that made student loans would have to be re-paid by the government (taxpayers).  Like Serk, I would save close to $1000 per month if all you saps pay my loans.  Should I root for Bernie?

[The emperor has no clothes]

I have a some burning questions:

If the socialist faction of the democratic party takes over the party, how are moderates or left leaning folks going to vote?  

Bernie isn't even a democrat... why are they letting him run as one?

I think if Bernie gets the nomination it may well destroy the democratic party.  I want to believe, I have to believe, there are enough moderates or left-leaners that understand the ramifications of socialism.  Do they vote for Bernie anyway and hope congress will keep him in check?  Or do they stay home and not vote at all?

All good questions that I have no answers for. I fear that even if the moderate candidates got together and dropped leaving just one, it might be too late to stop Sanders. Their egos will not likely allow this anyway. I suspect if Sanders gets the nomination many might just stay home. But what do I know, I thought Clinton was going to trounce Trump. Probably a lot will depend on how he runs his campaign if he gets the nomination. It does have a lot of similarities to the Republican primary of 2016.

[f6gal]

I have a some burning questions:

If the socialist faction of the democratic party takes over the party, how are moderates or left leaning folks going to vote?  

Bernie isn't even a democrat... why are they letting him run as one?

I think if Bernie gets the nomination it may well destroy the democratic party.  I want to believe, I have to believe, there are enough moderates or left-leaners that understand the ramifications of socialism.  Do they vote for Bernie anyway and hope congress will keep him in check?  Or do they stay home and not vote at all?

All good questions that I have no answers for. I fear that even if the moderate candidates got together and dropped leaving just one, it might be too late to stop Sanders. Their egos will not likely allow this anyway. I suspect if Sanders gets the nomination many might just stay home. But what do I know, I thought Clinton was going to trounce Trump. Probably a lot will depend on how he runs his campaign if he gets the nomination. It does have a lot of similarities to the Republican primary of 2016.

Would you vote for Sanders?

[The emperor has no clothes]

I have a some burning questions:

If the socialist faction of the democratic party takes over the party, how are moderates or left leaning folks going to vote?  

Bernie isn't even a democrat... why are they letting him run as one?

I think if Bernie gets the nomination it may well destroy the democratic party.  I want to believe, I have to believe, there are enough moderates or left-leaners that understand the ramifications of socialism.  Do they vote for Bernie anyway and hope congress will keep him in check?  Or do they stay home and not vote at all?

All good questions that I have no answers for. I fear that even if the moderate candidates got together and dropped leaving just one, it might be too late to stop Sanders. Their egos will not likely allow this anyway. I suspect if Sanders gets the nomination many might just stay home. But what do I know, I thought Clinton was going to trounce Trump. Probably a lot will depend on how he runs his campaign if he gets the nomination. It does have a lot of similarities to the Republican primary of 2016.

Would you vote for Sanders?

I don’t know. I’m going to have to see how things develop. (I do know I won’t be voting for Trump)

[f6john]

I have a some burning questions:

If the socialist faction of the democratic party takes over the party, how are moderates or left leaning folks going to vote?  

Bernie isn't even a democrat... why are they letting him run as one?

I think if Bernie gets the nomination it may well destroy the democratic party.  I want to believe, I have to believe, there are enough moderates or left-leaners that understand the ramifications of socialism.  Do they vote for Bernie anyway and hope congress will keep him in check?  Or do they stay home and not vote at all?

All good questions that I have no answers for. I fear that even if the moderate candidates got together and dropped leaving just one, it might be too late to stop Sanders. Their egos will not likely allow this anyway. I suspect if Sanders gets the nomination many might just stay home. But what do I know, I thought Clinton was going to trounce Trump. Probably a lot will depend on how he runs his campaign if he gets the nomination. It does have a lot of similarities to the Republican primary of 2016.

Would you vote for Sanders?

I don’t know. I’m going to have to see how things develop. (I do know I won’t be voting for Trump)

Oh my gosh! That sounds like if Bernie is the nominee he has your vote! Or you stay home or you find a third party candidate to park your vote. Your options suck.

[MAD6Gun]

 There was an interview with a young guy at a New Hampshire voting precinct, when asked who he was voting for he said Berne because he would forgive his college debt. My opinion is "you took out a loan to go to school, pay it back you bum."

Isn’t it curious when a rich guy defaults on multiple loans, he is just a “businessman” trying to provide jobs. A young kid is just a “bum”. 

 In 1984 I took out a student loan to go to ITT Tech for automotive service. I payed it back. It took some time. Now my loan was only for $5000 but when I graduated I took a job at a Chevy dealer performing oil changes, making just 6 bucks an hour. Point is I payed it back. I didn't even think of having anyone pay it back for me. Now you got kids taking out loans  to go to college and along come Berney saying he's going to forgive their debt. Sorry that makes them bums....

[f6gal]

I have a some burning questions:

If the socialist faction of the democratic party takes over the party, how are moderates or left leaning folks going to vote?  

Bernie isn't even a democrat... why are they letting him run as one?

I think if Bernie gets the nomination it may well destroy the democratic party.  I want to believe, I have to believe, there are enough moderates or left-leaners that understand the ramifications of socialism.  Do they vote for Bernie anyway and hope congress will keep him in check?  Or do they stay home and not vote at all?

All good questions that I have no answers for. I fear that even if the moderate candidates got together and dropped leaving just one, it might be too late to stop Sanders. Their egos will not likely allow this anyway. I suspect if Sanders gets the nomination many might just stay home. But what do I know, I thought Clinton was going to trounce Trump. Probably a lot will depend on how he runs his campaign if he gets the nomination. It does have a lot of similarities to the Republican primary of 2016.

Would you vote for Sanders?

I don’t know. I’m going to have to see how things develop. (I do know I won’t be voting for Trump)

Honestly, the fact that you would even consider voting for socialism scares the crap out of me.  To me, that means that a lot of people don't really understand that socialism would destroy this country.  What happens when taxes are so high that there is no incentive for people to make money or companies to stay in business?

[Serk]

What happens when taxes are so high that there is no incentive for people to make money or companies to stay in business?

Who is John Galt?

[The emperor has no clothes]

Connie, I hope you don’t take this the wrong way. I haven’t followed his candidacy that closely because his values are not the same as mine. If he becomes the candidate I will be forced to scrutinize them more thoroughly. The terms socialism, communism get bandied about a lot. To the point it’s almost impossible to determine what each individual means by them. We in this country have moved more towards socialism for many decades. Most here like it, as long as it’s them receiving the benefits. If they perceive somebody else might receive benefits, then it’s bad. I’m pretty sure 98% of the conservatives on this board are not willing to give up their Social Security, Medicare benefits. It could very well be that I don’t vote, or vote third party (I’ve done it before). There is one thing for sure, I will NEVER vote for a dude (or woman) that solicits illegal campaign help from the Russian government. (Or any foreign government)

[f6gal]

Connie, I hope you don’t take this the wrong way. I haven’t followed his candidacy that closely because his values are not the same as mine. If he becomes the candidate I will be forced to scrutinize them more thoroughly. The terms socialism, communism get bandied about a lot. To the point it’s almost impossible to determine what each individual means by them. We in this country have moved more towards socialism for many decades. Most here like it, as long as it’s them receiving the benefits. If they perceive somebody else might receive benefits, then it’s bad. I’m pretty sure 98% of the conservatives on this board are not willing to give up their Social Security, Medicare benefits. It could very well be that I don’t vote, or vote third party (I’ve done it before). There is one thing for sure, I will NEVER vote for a dude (or woman) that solicits illegal campaign help from the Russian government. (Or any foreign government)

I agree that we have been moving toward socialism for a long time.  And yes, SS and Medicare, as they are being implemented, are socialist programs.  However, people are unwilling to give them up because they were forced to pay into them for their entire working life; for some, limiting their ability to grow their own retirement fund.  If people had been able to opt out of SS and use that money to build their own retirement, they would be much better off.  Which reinforces the point that socialism is the enemy.
Don't all ponzi schemes eventually implode?  

[f6gal]

What happens when taxes are so high that there is no incentive for people to make money or companies to stay in business?

Who is John Galt?

We are!  (We can hope anyway.)

[Moonshot_1]

Connie, I hope you don’t take this the wrong way. I haven’t followed his candidacy that closely because his values are not the same as mine. If he becomes the candidate I will be forced to scrutinize them more thoroughly. The terms socialism, communism get bandied about a lot. To the point it’s almost impossible to determine what each individual means by them. We in this country have moved more towards socialism for many decades. Most here like it, as long as it’s them receiving the benefits. If they perceive somebody else might receive benefits, then it’s bad. I’m pretty sure 98% of the conservatives on this board are not willing to give up their Social Security, Medicare benefits. It could very well be that I don’t vote, or vote third party (I’ve done it before). There is one thing for sure, I will NEVER vote for a dude (or woman) that solicits illegal campaign help from the Russian government. (Or any foreign government)

Well that takes out Sanders. Reports are the Russians are helping him win.

[The emperor has no clothes]

Connie, I hope you don’t take this the wrong way. I haven’t followed his candidacy that closely because his values are not the same as mine. If he becomes the candidate I will be forced to scrutinize them more thoroughly. The terms socialism, communism get bandied about a lot. To the point it’s almost impossible to determine what each individual means by them. We in this country have moved more towards socialism for many decades. Most here like it, as long as it’s them receiving the benefits. If they perceive somebody else might receive benefits, then it’s bad. I’m pretty sure 98% of the conservatives on this board are not willing to give up their Social Security, Medicare benefits. It could very well be that I don’t vote, or vote third party (I’ve done it before). There is one thing for sure, I will NEVER vote for a dude (or woman) that solicits illegal campaign help from the Russian government. (Or any foreign government)


Well that takes out Sanders. Reports are the Russians are helping him win.

Asking for help and receiving unwanted help are two opposing things. (Hence my use of “solicit”

[Moonshot_1]

Connie, I hope you don’t take this the wrong way. I haven’t followed his candidacy that closely because his values are not the same as mine. If he becomes the candidate I will be forced to scrutinize them more thoroughly. The terms socialism, communism get bandied about a lot. To the point it’s almost impossible to determine what each individual means by them. We in this country have moved more towards socialism for many decades. Most here like it, as long as it’s them receiving the benefits. If they perceive somebody else might receive benefits, then it’s bad. I’m pretty sure 98% of the conservatives on this board are not willing to give up their Social Security, Medicare benefits. It could very well be that I don’t vote, or vote third party (I’ve done it before). There is one thing for sure, I will NEVER vote for a dude (or woman) that solicits illegal campaign help from the Russian government. (Or any foreign government)

Asking for help and receiving unwanted help are two opposing things. (Hence my use of “solicit”)

Well that takes out Sanders. Reports are the Russians are helping him win.

Oh please! You know he wants it! He went to Russia for his Honeymoon. The guy is a millionaire with 3 houses. 3! Who knows the depth of corruption going on with Bernie. A self avowed Socialist! How can you not see this???

[The emperor has no clothes]

Connie, I hope you don’t take this the wrong way. I haven’t followed his candidacy that closely because his values are not the same as mine. If he becomes the candidate I will be forced to scrutinize them more thoroughly. The terms socialism, communism get bandied about a lot. To the point it’s almost impossible to determine what each individual means by them. We in this country have moved more towards socialism for many decades. Most here like it, as long as it’s them receiving the benefits. If they perceive somebody else might receive benefits, then it’s bad. I’m pretty sure 98% of the conservatives on this board are not willing to give up their Social Security, Medicare benefits. It could very well be that I don’t vote, or vote third party (I’ve done it before). There is one thing for sure, I will NEVER vote for a dude (or woman) that solicits illegal campaign help from the Russian government. (Or any foreign government)

Asking for help and receiving unwanted help are two opposing things. (Hence my use of “solicit”)

Well that takes out Sanders. Reports are the Russians are helping him win.

Oh please! You know he wants it! He went to Russia for his Honeymoon. The guy is a millionaire with 3 houses. 3! Who knows the depth of corruption going on with Bernie. A self avowed Socialist! How can you not see this???

Serk went to Russia on vacation. Does that make him a communist ? Sanders has forcefully disavowed Russia’s “help”. Trump specifically asked for it. (Facts are pesky little things are they not ?)