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Beer van Huet
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« on: March 04, 2020, 05:03:29 PM »

I live in a weird country.
A Dutch member of parliament, representing muslim community, called Dutch F-16 pilots in Syria 'murderers'. This statement was repeated publicly on a national TV program.
Prosecution office sees no reason to take action because people were killed with premeditation.
Our Commander in Chief is taking legal action. He doesn't think that executing the rule of military law by order of the Dutch government and actions sanctioned by- and within the mandate should be adressed as murder.
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« Reply #1 on: March 04, 2020, 05:18:18 PM »

Typed out a lengthy reply, but erased it. Just know that your country is not alone. We allowed this, and we are paying and will pay dearly for it for years to come.
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« Reply #2 on: March 04, 2020, 05:53:41 PM »

Isn't it wonderful that free speech gives (usually liberal) people the right to sit in the safety of their own homes and call government, military, and in this case pilot's actions performed according to standing rules of engagement in a war zone murder?

You are not alone of course, this happens everywhere.   

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Beer van Huet
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« Reply #3 on: March 05, 2020, 02:05:56 AM »

Although I am not in favour of expressing political views on this board, I should elaborate on this issue a bit more because it really hurts my belief in politics and justice.
I am usually proud of my nation but things like this make me sick of politicians.
First of all, I made a mistake in my previous message.
The matter occured in Iraq in 2015, not in Syria.
After extensive surveillance and Intell, it was decided that a certain complex in the town of Hawija was a meeting point of terrorists and had to be taken out by a precision strike.
Dutch F-16's were tasked on that mission and dropped their bombs after having made certain that no collateral damage would occur. NATO is very strict on that issue.
FYI, nowadays the whole chain of Command and Control can exactly watch what's happening on the ground as well, prior giving permission to drop a weapon.
As it turned out, the same complex was used to manufacture explosives by the terrorists. This was not known, however.
Due to secondary explosions by these munitions, the result and effect of the strike was much larger than anticipated and caused 74 casualties in the surroundings of the complex.
Dutch media found out about this issue in 2019 and started raising questions about killing innocent people and warcrimes. As a result, the government was forced to answer associated questions in parliament.
During this meeting, F-16 pilots were called murderers in parliament and later in the media.
This is not the first time our soldiers had to stand trial in the Netherlands because of what happened as a result of their split second operational decisions when being shot at.
After court proceedings which almost lasted 2 years (!) the soldier in question on this other occasion was found not guilty and was acquitted.
Being victimized for such a long time. Imagine what a thing like that does to moral and believe in serving a just cause. Who needs enemies when all your actions are subject to extensive legal hair splitting afterwards.
This reminds me of the first Gulf war.  Beancounters in the UK decided to take away the flying pay from downed British pilots who were held prisoner on the ground.
I don't know what the world is coming to, but it sounds insane.
Political correctness.
My country, as all countries in Europe, are flooded by (mostly illegal) immigrants.
When these people apply for asylum, the immigration service starts to investigate if they have a right to do so, or not. This is hard because most of these people throw away their passports and any other means of identification on purpose.
When many people apply for asylum, the immigration service becomes overloaded and it takes more time to determine whether someone is a true refugee or an economical migrant.
At the same time they get a free lawyer who assists them in their legal proceedings.
Now these lawyers have found a way to sue the government for not granting the refugees their official status within 6 months.
As a result, our government is legally bound to pay these (fake) refugees  a considerable amount of money plus $1500 for each extra day after the 6 month period.
This added up to almost $100 million of tax payers money in 2019.
I can go on and on like this, but I think you get the message.
You people in the US should remember










 
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« Reply #4 on: March 05, 2020, 04:16:49 AM »

Illogical!   On our trips over we fly into Gardermoen and crash at the airport hotel get up next day and rent a car and drive to Motala for the first part of the trip saving Norway for later.  Driving the backroads we are quickly in beautiful countryside, a place where in the middle of nowhere you find an old farm hundreds of years old with a Fika sign Välkommen till....  What an amazing place, a place my great grandparents lived. There is so much about this country that I love and enjoy but a country where my friends are seriously thinking on leaving.  When we discuss what the government does they have to be careful as talk against the PC Gov can put your job in jeopardy.  Entire cultures with rich history destroying itself from inside.  Illogical! How did we get here? What on earth has happened.  Money is quickly running out for the ones in Sweden that have worked all their life for. They have no voice.   Now I hear from my Norwegian friends as it looks like they are taking the same path, their system is not burdened near the amount of Sweden and oil money helps but they are starting to complain.  Lately with all the homegrown crap going on I don’t think I would encourage them to move here.
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« Reply #5 on: March 05, 2020, 04:26:03 AM »

As I do feel bad for those pilots

Imagine how our commander in chief must feel with the losers (Democrats- of which I am still one) having planned an Impeachment and spent many millions on what they knew were false claims, from the moment of his victory.

Extreme right wing politics (or left wing) will not save your country, it is recognition of the humanity of the dutch people and return to its values before WWII that will save your beautiful land.  The language of hate alone never advances a people.

Do not be afraid to be a voice against the madness
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« Reply #6 on: March 05, 2020, 05:36:43 AM »

$1500/day !  Its all about the money, why not move there.
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« Reply #7 on: March 05, 2020, 08:23:33 AM »

Democratically Elected lawmaker Geert Wilders convicted of hate speech in the Dutch Courts expressing his opinion of Islam.

Tommy Robinson, British Citizen Journalist was imprisoned twice for "illegally" exposing Muslim(Pakistani) Grooming Gangs who have repeatedly raped, drugged and forcibly prostituted and sometimes murdered thousands of English White Girls as young as 13 for many years. BTW...He recently accepted a Freedom of Speech Award in Denmark.
 
People in Sweden are afraid to speak out against Muslim Crimes and Violence against Swedes. Hate Speech Laws...again...threaten imprisonment for speaking out.

In my own country there are "Hate Speech" Tribunals...NOT Courts of Law...completely absent of due process. Tribunals which can charge you with hate crimes on an uncorroborated adversaries say so...You may be found not guilty, quite possibly after losing everything you have worked for.

Justin Trudeau's "government" passed Bill C16 which compels citizens of this country to use a trans-alphabet's preferred pronouns...Refusing to do so is against "the law".
This is the first time in a British Based Legal System that a LAW COMPELS you to use certain language with the threat of penalty, anywhere in a former British Empire Country.

This is the type of law, up until now, that only Tinpot Dictators introduce in corrupt governments. This is not going to end especially if the Bernie Sanders types ever grab the reigns of power. It may too late here in Canada already. I keep sending out the red flags about this stuff...it seems futile at times.
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« Reply #8 on: March 05, 2020, 08:45:52 AM »

      Beer-let me hazard a guess please. The tribunals against the Military are chaired by folks who've NEVER faced the pointy end of the sword? Who've NEVER had to make those split second life or death or severe injury decisions. I served 2 tours on the flight deck of an aircraft carrier and flew part time aircrew. I personally believe should anyone desire to call past Military ops into question those folks first and foremost should have a first hand experience with what they are calling into question. Far as accepting all who show up THAT is ZACKLY what MY President Donald J. Trump is trying hard to prevent. Sorry to hear your Beautiful Country is trying to be flushed down the crapper. For evil to triumph good Men and Women need do nothing. RIDE SAFE.
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