Coronavirus and InZane XX

[michaelyoung254]

Just curious how all of this craziness is going to effect those who are or were planning on attending InZane XX.

Vita just found out yesterday that beginning Monday, her hours will be cut in half for the remainder of this semester. After the end of this semester, it's very probable that she'll get furloughed through the summer until August when they start gearing up for the fall semester. At this point, we're very fortunate that she still has a job at all, at least for now. Barring anything unexpected, we should be able to survive all of this okay, but unless something changes, the prospect of still being able to make it to InZane isn't looking all that bright. 

[t-man403]

Here's a link to a prior discussion ..... I haven't read it.
http://www.valkyrieforum.com/bbs/index.php/topic,110312.0.html

I wasn't going to be able to make it anyway as much as I have liked to but what I think would be a good idea is, if it is cancelled, I think that as a group we'd should be able to throw in a few bucks to help out with the loss of funds for this forum, that is generated from the rally.

[michaelyoung254]

Here's a link to a prior discussion ..... I haven't read it.
http://www.valkyrieforum.com/bbs/index.php/topic,110312.0.html

I wasn't going to be able to make it anyway as much as I have liked to but what I think would be a good idea is, if it is cancelled, I think that as a group we'd should be able to throw in a few bucks to help out with the loss of funds for this forum, that is generated from the rally.

That thread kinda got lost in the pile, and I forgot about it. It turned more political, and I was thinking from a more personal point of view.

I'm just curious if there's going to be more people who (other than myself) that had planned on attending and have already registered to attend, but this whole "Pabst Blue Ribbon" virus (or whatever crappy beer it's named after) has thrown a wrinkle into their plans.

[Rams]

Here's a link to a prior discussion ..... I haven't read it.
http://www.valkyrieforum.com/bbs/index.php/topic,110312.0.html

I wasn't going to be able to make it anyway as much as I have liked to but what I think would be a good idea is, if it is cancelled, I think that as a group we'd should be able to throw in a few bucks to help out with the loss of funds for this forum, that is generated from the rally.

That thread kinda got lost in the pile, and I forgot about it. It turned more political, and I was thinking from a more personal point of view.

I'm just curious if there's going to be more people who (other than myself) that had planned on attending and have already registered to attend, but this whole "Pabst Blue Ribbon" virus (or whatever crappy beer it's named after) has thrown a wrinkle into their plans.

Can only offer my personal opinion.   We're all adults, responsible for our own decisions and the consequences that result from those decisions.   Only an idiot would suggest "come hell or high water I'm going", I don't think we have any of those in our group.   I fully expect the "Staff" to make a good call for what's best for our community as a whole.   

Will I attend?  Planning on it but, that could always change depending of the situation as time nears for INZANE.

Rams

[BudMan]

We're planning on being there, but as the saying goes, "If you want to make God laugh, tell him your plans".

[Serk]

The local Renaissance Festival that I pretty much live at in April and May first postponed their season to be May and early June, just this morning they finally pulled the plug and canceled the full 2020 season.

Inzane is still a ways away, I'm trying to be optimistic. If it's safe and if the event is allowed to proceed I will do everything in my power to be there.

If it does have to be called, can we have our shirts we ordered sent to us? If they've not already been made, maybe with a modification, like "I tried to go Inzane, but..." or something?

Just a silly idea.....

If it has to be pulled, I'd also suggest an option to either decline a refund or decline a portion of a refund to help make sure the VRCC stays financially healthy enough for an Inzane 2021?

[Willow]

Thank you, Serk. 

Thread drift.  I believe the original post was concerned with individuals' needs to cancel due to economic impact to themselves rather than the possibility of the event itself being cancelled.

It's difficult at this time to predict conditions two months from now.  If the VRCC is forced to cancel the event we will do what is necessary to compensate members for what they have paid.  I would hope that in the case of tee shirts that would be shirts rather than refunds but, as I said, it is almost impossible to project what will happen over the next two months.

[michaelyoung254]

Thank you, Serk. 

Thread drift.  I believe the original post was concerned with individuals' needs to cancel due to economic impact to themselves rather than the possibility of the event itself being cancelled.

It's difficult at this time to predict conditions two months from now.  If the VRCC is forced to cancel the event we will do what is necessary to compensate members for what they have paid.  I would hope that in the case of tee shirts that would be shirts rather than refunds but, as I said, it is almost impossible to project what will happen over the next two months.

Willow, that's what I was referring to in my original post. I guess I didn't word it too well. Maybe I'm just being nosey, but I'm curious if there are any others who are planning (or had planned) to attend InZane XX, but have now found themselves furloughed or laid off from work which is putting those plans in question.

As for Vita and myself, her getting her hours cut in half for now, and then cut to zero over the summer have put our plans in doubt. Not going to pull the plug on it just yet, but the prospect of being able to attend isn't as bright as I wish.

[3fan4life]

I'm being forced to use my PTO now.

So, unless this craziness ends soon I won't have any time off to take. 

[3fan4life]

Thank you, Serk. 

Thread drift.  I believe the original post was concerned with individuals' needs to cancel due to economic impact to themselves rather than the possibility of the event itself being cancelled.

It's difficult at this time to predict conditions two months from now.  If the VRCC is forced to cancel the event we will do what is necessary to compensate members for what they have paid.  I would hope that in the case of tee shirts that would be shirts rather than refunds but, as I said, it is almost impossible to project what will happen over the next two months.

I was waiting until May to register in case I couldn't make it.

But Serk's idea isn't a bad one.

I'd be willing to register and buy a couple of shirts if they could be shipped.

Maybe, some modification of the shirts indicating that "We tried" or "We were Corona-ed" would acknowledge that it didn't happen.

That is of course assuming that the shirts haven't been printed yet.

[Serk]

So far we're extremely lucky/blessed, I work not only as a federal government contractor, but for the FDA, which is rather busy right now, so I'm as safe as anyone in IT ever can be...

And the spousal unit works for a company that makes software to help financial companies stay in government compliance.  After those 4 senators (That we know of) sold tons of stock right before the crash the stuff she sells and supports is a hot commodity...

I've been deemed an essential employee, the spouse has not, but we both work from home anyway so that's a non-issue.

So from that angle, we're doing far better than we deserve to be, and if Inzane happens (And if there aren't major changes between now and then *Knock on wood*) I'll still be going.

[t-man403]

Here's a link to a prior discussion ..... I haven't read it.
http://www.valkyrieforum.com/bbs/index.php/topic,110312.0.html

I wasn't going to be able to make it anyway as much as I have liked to but what I think would be a good idea is, if it is cancelled, I think that as a group we'd should be able to throw in a few bucks to help out with the loss of funds for this forum, that is generated from the rally.

 It turned more political,

Gee there's a surprise! 

[f6gal]

The local Renaissance Festival that I pretty much live at in April and May first postponed their season to be May and early June, just this morning they finally pulled the plug and canceled the full 2020 season.

Inzane is still a ways away, I'm trying to be optimistic. If it's safe and if the event is allowed to proceed I will do everything in my power to be there.

If it does have to be called, can we have our shirts we ordered sent to us? If they've not already been made, maybe with a modification, like "I tried to go Inzane, but..." or something?

Just a silly idea.....

If it has to be pulled, I'd also suggest an option to either decline a refund or decline a portion of a refund to help make sure the VRCC stays financially healthy enough for an Inzane 2021?

We really, really don't want to cancel InZane!!

I actually had the same thought regarding shirts, should we have to cancel.  Kind of like when they had the shootings at the Laughlin River Run, we superimposed "bullet holes" over the art and added "I survived Laughlin River Run 2002."

The VRCC does use a portion of InZane proceeds to "keep the lights on."  It would definitely hurt to lose that revenue.  However, our biggest concern with canceling the event is our contracts with the hotels.  If we were unable to cancel those contracts, it could be the death blow to the VRCC. 

[michaelyoung254]

The local Renaissance Festival that I pretty much live at in April and May first postponed their season to be May and early June, just this morning they finally pulled the plug and canceled the full 2020 season.

Inzane is still a ways away, I'm trying to be optimistic. If it's safe and if the event is allowed to proceed I will do everything in my power to be there.

If it does have to be called, can we have our shirts we ordered sent to us? If they've not already been made, maybe with a modification, like "I tried to go Inzane, but..." or something?

Just a silly idea.....

If it has to be pulled, I'd also suggest an option to either decline a refund or decline a portion of a refund to help make sure the VRCC stays financially healthy enough for an Inzane 2021?

We really, really don't want to cancel InZane!!

I actually had the same thought regarding shirts, should we have to cancel.  Kind of like when they had the shootings at the Laughlin River Run, we superimposed "bullet holes" over the art and added "I survived Laughlin River Run 2002."

The VRCC does use a portion of InZane proceeds to "keep the lights on."  It would definitely hurt to lose that revenue.  However, our biggest concern with canceling the event is our contracts with the hotels.  If we were unable to cancel those contracts, it could be the death blow to the VRCC. 

Well, at this point, I can't really predict what's going to happen as I'm still hoping that by June, we can still make everything work, but in the event that we can't make it, I don't care about a refund, As Serk said, just donate it to the cause.

BTW, I still have a case of laser engraved beer mugs with the VRCC logo and with the 1520 logo that I was planning on bringing with us for auction at InZane.

[f6gal]

The local Renaissance Festival that I pretty much live at in April and May first postponed their season to be May and early June, just this morning they finally pulled the plug and canceled the full 2020 season.

Inzane is still a ways away, I'm trying to be optimistic. If it's safe and if the event is allowed to proceed I will do everything in my power to be there.

If it does have to be called, can we have our shirts we ordered sent to us? If they've not already been made, maybe with a modification, like "I tried to go Inzane, but..." or something?

Just a silly idea.....

If it has to be pulled, I'd also suggest an option to either decline a refund or decline a portion of a refund to help make sure the VRCC stays financially healthy enough for an Inzane 2021?

We really, really don't want to cancel InZane!!

I actually had the same thought regarding shirts, should we have to cancel.  Kind of like when they had the shootings at the Laughlin River Run, we superimposed "bullet holes" over the art and added "I survived Laughlin River Run 2002."

The VRCC does use a portion of InZane proceeds to "keep the lights on."  It would definitely hurt to lose that revenue.  However, our biggest concern with canceling the event is our contracts with the hotels.  If we were unable to cancel those contracts, it could be the death blow to the VRCC. 

Well, at this point, I can't really predict what's going to happen as I'm still hoping that by June, we can still make everything work, but in the event that we can't make it, I don't care about a refund, As Serk said, just donate it to the cause.

BTW, I still have a case of laser engraved beer mugs with the VRCC logo and with the 1520 logo that I was planning on bringing with us for auction at InZane.

Thank you Michael.  I really hope to see you there!

[John Schmidt]

I'm still planning for the trip, just might not be making the stops to visit family and friends on the way as originally planned. It's a wait and see thing for sure but I agree re. refunds, I'll go for the shirt(s), no need for the refund here.

[da prez]

The benefits of being in the VRCC far outweighs the return of the money I paid for registration . I have gained more knowledge and family in this brother hood and sister hood.
  We know if help is needed, just ask.

                               da prez

[Daniel Meyer]

Yeesh...it's a mess for sure. Millions out of work...many were paycheck to paycheck to begin with.

I'm still employed, and can work from home so I am very fortunate. My company's taking a serious hit though...we were on the edge to begin with...and the print revenue just went "poof" (advertising down around 95%).

If I'm still employed I'll be there if it's held and travel is allowed (really don't want to wander into some "Grapes of Wrath" scenario)

Got my worries though. Dallas county already extended its stay-at-home to April 30th, and its disaster declaration/powers until the end of May...that's getting mighty tight...

We'll see when this thing peaks I guess...

[Rams]

The local Renaissance Festival that I pretty much live at in April and May first postponed their season to be May and early June, just this morning they finally pulled the plug and canceled the full 2020 season.

Inzane is still a ways away, I'm trying to be optimistic. If it's safe and if the event is allowed to proceed I will do everything in my power to be there.

If it does have to be called, can we have our shirts we ordered sent to us? If they've not already been made, maybe with a modification, like "I tried to go Inzane, but..." or something?

Just a silly idea.....

If it has to be pulled, I'd also suggest an option to either decline a refund or decline a portion of a refund to help make sure the VRCC stays financially healthy enough for an Inzane 2021?

We really, really don't want to cancel InZane!!

I actually had the same thought regarding shirts, should we have to cancel.  Kind of like when they had the shootings at the Laughlin River Run, we superimposed "bullet holes" over the art and added "I survived Laughlin River Run 2002."

The VRCC does use a portion of InZane proceeds to "keep the lights on."  It would definitely hurt to lose that revenue.  However, our biggest concern with canceling the event is our contracts with the hotels.  If we were unable to cancel those contracts, it could be the death blow to the VRCC.  

Haven't read the contracts but, I would think that a "state enforced" legal "Stay At Home" order and/or "No Groups greater than Ten" decree from the state would easily circumvent or override any contractual agreement.   I'd seek out an attorney's advice on that.   Of course, those restrictions would need to be in place during the event's time frame for that "theory" to be of any value and, we don't know that yet.

Canceling our Southern Valkyrie Madness Event was painful but by doing so and keeping all informed helped, even with several sponsors.   They were happy to know as soon as possible.

I still hope we're able to celebrate with each other in June but, I'm becoming less than optimistic about it.

Rams

[NewValker]

I figure if it’s still on, I’m there! If it’s cancelled, keep my fee to bolster VRCC.

My biopsy samples came back all negative, and treatment was the only reason I would miss it.

Looking forward to seeing everyone,

Craig

[The emperor has no clothes]

I figure if it’s still on, I’m there! If it’s cancelled, keep my fee to bolster VRCC.

My biopsy samples came back all negative, and treatment was the only reason I would miss it.

Looking forward to seeing everyone,

Craig

That’s excellent news Craig ! 

[NewValker]

I figure if it’s still on, I’m there! If it’s cancelled, keep my fee to bolster VRCC.

My biopsy samples came back all negative, and treatment was the only reason I would miss it.

Looking forward to seeing everyone,

Craig

That’s excellent news Craig ! 

Thanks Rob, big load off my mind!
Craig

[gregk]

I can't go because I will be working the Census when ever it will start to earn some money to take my wife on a nice long trip to Nova Scotia for our 45 Anniv  that is in Oct.  So far the border is closed and I was scheduled for a training class last month which is canceled. 
  I would very much like to get my hands on 2 tee-shirts but nobody is shipping.
 If the Party gets canceled and the club would ship shirts I want to by 2 whatever the cost is.

[f6gal]

The local Renaissance Festival that I pretty much live at in April and May first postponed their season to be May and early June, just this morning they finally pulled the plug and canceled the full 2020 season.

Inzane is still a ways away, I'm trying to be optimistic. If it's safe and if the event is allowed to proceed I will do everything in my power to be there.

If it does have to be called, can we have our shirts we ordered sent to us? If they've not already been made, maybe with a modification, like "I tried to go Inzane, but..." or something?

Just a silly idea.....

If it has to be pulled, I'd also suggest an option to either decline a refund or decline a portion of a refund to help make sure the VRCC stays financially healthy enough for an Inzane 2021?

We really, really don't want to cancel InZane!!

I actually had the same thought regarding shirts, should we have to cancel.  Kind of like when they had the shootings at the Laughlin River Run, we superimposed "bullet holes" over the art and added "I survived Laughlin River Run 2002."

The VRCC does use a portion of InZane proceeds to "keep the lights on."  It would definitely hurt to lose that revenue.  However, our biggest concern with canceling the event is our contracts with the hotels.  If we were unable to cancel those contracts, it could be the death blow to the VRCC.  

Haven't read the contracts but, I would think that a "state enforced" legal "Stay At Home" order and/or "No Groups greater than Ten" decree from the state would easily circumvent or override any contractual agreement.   I'd seek out an attorney's advice on that.   Of course, those restrictions would need to be in place during the event's time frame for that "theory" to be of any value and, we don't know that yet.

Canceling our Southern Valkyrie Madness Event was painful but by doing so and keeping all informed helped, even with several sponsors.   They were happy to know as soon as possible.

I still hope we're able to celebrate with each other in June but, I'm becoming less than optimistic about it.

Rams

The contracts do have "Act of God" clauses, but those often specifically exclude pandemics.  Unfortunately, being 2 months out, we don't what restrictions will be in place.  We will likely have to make a decision 30 days out.   

[Jess from VA]

Connie regardless of the contract language, it might be worth it to contact the motels and feel out their attitude on possible cancellations.  Sooner is often safer than later.  They are probably desperate for the business and may be willing to work with you.  Though if push comes to shove, it could come down to contract language only (since verbal agreements not added to existing written contracts are often unenforceable in courts of law... ie, they can promise something verbally today, and enforce the written contract later).

See generally, Statute of Frauds

[f6gal]

Connie regardless of the contract language, it might be worth it to contact the motels and feel out their attitude on possible cancellations.  Sooner is often safer than later.  They are probably desperate for the business and may be willing to work with you.  Though if push comes to shove, it could come down to contract language only (since verbal agreements not added to existing written contracts are often unenforceable in courts of law... ie, they can promise something verbally today, and enforce the written contract later).

See generally, Statute of Frauds

We have reached out to our contact person.  We'll be talking more. 

[3fan4life]

If we aren't able to have it in June, is postponing it to a later date an option?

[f6gal]

If we aren't able to have it in June, is postponing it to a later date an option?

It's been discussed.  Unfortunately, we have no idea when things are going open up.  Until we do, planning is futile.

Edit... also attendance would likely be significantly lower if it were postponed.  Many ppl have to request vacation time well in advance and the school year impacts vacation for many.

[mbramley]

 I work for a company that supplies equipment and chemicals to hospitals so I am working extra for the foreseeable future. If Inzane is on then I will be attending unless we can't get caught up and they cancel my PTO. I am with Zerk. If it has to be cancelled I am not in need of a refund. I would also like shirts if available. I have learned so much about my Valk here and meet so many nice people I would hate to see it end.

[Willow]

Please go to this post for updated info: InZane XX Postponed