Trump’s miracle cure. Not so much! Unfortunately

[The emperor has no clothes]

First, it's not "Trump's miracle cure."  Trump didn't come up with it... doctors did.  I became aware of the use of hydroxychloroquine/azithromycin combination well before Trump started talking about it.  In fact, in a PM, I suggested to Serk that he have his friend ask his doctors for it.  Whether or not that influenced his treatment, I have no idea.  I can tell you that many doctors are treating with the cocktail (along with Zinc now).  Many NY doctors are taking hydroxycholorquine prophylactically, due to their level of exposure.  Unfortunately, many patients are not receiving the regimen until they are already quite ill and it may be too late for it to be effective (which may be the case with the VA patients in the OP).   To fairly test of the treatment, it should be given at a patient's first symptoms.  

If I contract COVID-19, I'll let you know... cuz I'll be taking it the second I have cough and fever!!  

If I contract the covid I'd like to know an appropriate regimen of those. Can you share what you think would be the correct amount ?

[f6gal]

First, it's not "Trump's miracle cure."  Trump didn't come up with it... doctors did.  I became aware of the use of hydroxychloroquine/azithromycin combination well before Trump started talking about it.  In fact, in a PM, I suggested to Serk that he have his friend ask his doctors for it.  Whether or not that influenced his treatment, I have no idea.  I can tell you that many doctors are treating with the cocktail (along with Zinc now).  Many NY doctors are taking hydroxycholorquine prophylactically, due to their level of exposure.  Unfortunately, many patients are not receiving the regimen until they are already quite ill and it may be too late for it to be effective (which may be the case with the VA patients in the OP).   To fairly test of the treatment, it should be given at a patient's first symptoms.  

If I contract COVID-19, I'll let you know... cuz I'll be taking it the second I have cough and fever!!  

If I contract the covid I'd like to know an appropriate regimen of those. Can you share what you think would be the correct amount ?

(Disclaimer: Don't self treat or take fish tank cleaner!!)

There are a few different regimens suggested.  This seems pretty reasonable:
Hydroxychloroquine sulfate 200 mg tablets; take 2 tabs (400 mg) twice on day one (12 hours apart), then 1 tab (200 mg) every 12 hours for 4-7 days.  
Azithromycin 250 mg tablets; take 2 tablets (500 mg) on day 1, then 1 tab (250 mg) daily for 4 days.

I'm not sure of the Zinc dose.  I'll see if I can find it.

P.S. Use with great caution, if you are taking other medications that prolong QT interval.  Talk to your doctor.

[The emperor has no clothes]

First, it's not "Trump's miracle cure."  Trump didn't come up with it... doctors did.  I became aware of the use of hydroxychloroquine/azithromycin combination well before Trump started talking about it.  In fact, in a PM, I suggested to Serk that he have his friend ask his doctors for it.  Whether or not that influenced his treatment, I have no idea.  I can tell you that many doctors are treating with the cocktail (along with Zinc now).  Many NY doctors are taking hydroxycholorquine prophylactically, due to their level of exposure.  Unfortunately, many patients are not receiving the regimen until they are already quite ill and it may be too late for it to be effective (which may be the case with the VA patients in the OP).   To fairly test of the treatment, it should be given at a patient's first symptoms.  

If I contract COVID-19, I'll let you know... cuz I'll be taking it the second I have cough and fever!!  

If I contract the covid I'd like to know an appropriate regimen of those. Can you share what you think would be the correct amount ?

(Disclaimer: Don't self treat or take fish tank cleaner!!)

There are a few different regimens suggested.  This seems pretty reasonable:
Hydroxychloroquine sulfate 200 mg tablets; take 2 tabs (400 mg) twice on day one (12 hours apart), then 1 tab (200 mg) every 12 hours for 4-7 days.  
Azithromycin 250 mg tablets; take 2 tablets (500 mg) on day 1, then 1 tab (250 mg) daily for 4 days.

I'm not sure of the Zinc dose.  I'll see if I can find it.

P.S. Use with great caution, if you are taking other medications that prolong QT interval.  Talk to your doctor.

Thanks, Connie  no worries on the fish cleaner, and luckily I need no other drugs. (Maybe a beer now and then)

[Moonshot_1]

Need to call it hydroxcq. Anyway, I see the hydroxychloroquine like a parachute.

You are going to jump out of an airplane. Do you want the parachute as you are jumping out or 10' before you hit the ground.

There is ample evidence that this stuff works and works incredibly well when used in the proper manner which is NOT waiting till the patient is 10' from death at terminal velocity before it is used. Because a parachute would fail every time it is deployed at 10' from the ground no one should use them?

Further, we're not talking about a drug that some nitwit cooked up in a home lab and is selling on E-bay. We are talking about a drug with a known history, known composition, known side effects which are few, and has worked for decades around the world in the fight against malaria.
There is no great mystery here.

The push back on this is nothing but political. Frankly, had the US pursued this treatment as the President had advocated for early on, we may indeed have had the results he originally predicted with far far less deaths and social destruction.

[DarkSideR]

Need to call it hydroxcq. Anyway, I see the hydroxychloroquine like a parachute.

You are going to jump out of an airplane. Do you want the parachute as you are jumping out or 10' before you hit the ground.

There is ample evidence that this stuff works and works incredibly well when used in the proper manner which is NOT waiting till the patient is 10' from death at terminal velocity before it is used. Because a parachute would fail every time it is deployed at 10' from the ground no one should use them?

Further, we're not talking about a drug that some nitwit cooked up in a home lab and is selling on E-bay. We are talking about a drug with a known history, known composition, known side effects which are few, and has worked for decades around the world in the fight against malaria.
There is no great mystery here.

The push back on this is nothing but political. Frankly, had the US pursued this treatment as the President had advocated for early on, we may indeed have had the results he originally predicted with far far less deaths and social destruction.

Great analogy.

[f6gal]

First, it's not "Trump's miracle cure."  Trump didn't come up with it... doctors did.  I became aware of the use of hydroxychloroquine/azithromycin combination well before Trump started talking about it.  In fact, in a PM, I suggested to Serk that he have his friend ask his doctors for it.  Whether or not that influenced his treatment, I have no idea.  I can tell you that many doctors are treating with the cocktail (along with Zinc now).  Many NY doctors are taking hydroxycholorquine prophylactically, due to their level of exposure.  Unfortunately, many patients are not receiving the regimen until they are already quite ill and it may be too late for it to be effective (which may be the case with the VA patients in the OP).   To fairly test of the treatment, it should be given at a patient's first symptoms.  

If I contract COVID-19, I'll let you know... cuz I'll be taking it the second I have cough and fever!!  

If I contract the covid I'd like to know an appropriate regimen of those. Can you share what you think would be the correct amount ?

(Disclaimer: Don't self treat or take fish tank cleaner!!)

There are a few different regimens suggested.  This seems pretty reasonable:
Hydroxychloroquine sulfate 200 mg tablets; take 2 tabs (400 mg) twice on day one (12 hours apart), then 1 tab (200 mg) every 12 hours for 4-7 days.  
Azithromycin 250 mg tablets; take 2 tablets (500 mg) on day 1, then 1 tab (250 mg) daily for 4 days.

I'm not sure of the Zinc dose.  I'll see if I can find it.

P.S. Use with great caution, if you are taking other medications that prolong QT interval.  Talk to your doctor.

Thanks, Connie   no worries on the fish cleaner, and luckily I need no other drugs. (Maybe a beer now and then)

Zinc is suggested at 75-100 mg/day.  (Zinc can be toxic, talk to your doctor.)

[The emperor has no clothes]

First, it's not "Trump's miracle cure."  Trump didn't come up with it... doctors did.  I became aware of the use of hydroxychloroquine/azithromycin combination well before Trump started talking about it.  In fact, in a PM, I suggested to Serk that he have his friend ask his doctors for it.  Whether or not that influenced his treatment, I have no idea.  I can tell you that many doctors are treating with the cocktail (along with Zinc now).  Many NY doctors are taking hydroxycholorquine prophylactically, due to their level of exposure.  Unfortunately, many patients are not receiving the regimen until they are already quite ill and it may be too late for it to be effective (which may be the case with the VA patients in the OP).   To fairly test of the treatment, it should be given at a patient's first symptoms.  

If I contract COVID-19, I'll let you know... cuz I'll be taking it the second I have cough and fever!!  

If I contract the covid I'd like to know an appropriate regimen of those. Can you share what you think would be the correct amount ?

(Disclaimer: Don't self treat or take fish tank cleaner!!)

There are a few different regimens suggested.  This seems pretty reasonable:
Hydroxychloroquine sulfate 200 mg tablets; take 2 tabs (400 mg) twice on day one (12 hours apart), then 1 tab (200 mg) every 12 hours for 4-7 days.  
Azithromycin 250 mg tablets; take 2 tablets (500 mg) on day 1, then 1 tab (250 mg) daily for 4 days.

I'm not sure of the Zinc dose.  I'll see if I can find it.

P.S. Use with great caution, if you are taking other medications that prolong QT interval.  Talk to your doctor.

Thanks, Connie   no worries on the fish cleaner, and luckily I need no other drugs. (Maybe a beer now and then)

Zinc is suggested at 75-100 mg/day.  (Zinc can be toxic, talk to your doctor.)

Thank you. Since I've got you "on the line". I've been hearing and reading about people who's oxygen levels are going bad without them realizing it till it's too late. Do you think one of those little machines you can buy a Walgreens, etc. for testing your oxygen levels would be helpful ? Or are they not accurate enough to be helpful ?

[f6gal]

Need to call it hydroxcq. Anyway, I see the hydroxychloroquine like a parachute.

You are going to jump out of an airplane. Do you want the parachute as you are jumping out or 10' before you hit the ground.

There is ample evidence that this stuff works and works incredibly well when used in the proper manner which is NOT waiting till the patient is 10' from death at terminal velocity before it is used. Because a parachute would fail every time it is deployed at 10' from the ground no one should use them?

Further, we're not talking about a drug that some nitwit cooked up in a home lab and is selling on E-bay. We are talking about a drug with a known history, known composition, known side effects which are few, and has worked for decades around the world in the fight against malaria.
There is no great mystery here.

The push back on this is nothing but political. Frankly, had the US pursued this treatment as the President had advocated for early on, we may indeed have had the results he originally predicted with far far less deaths and social destruction.

All good points.  Of course, it is entirely possible it doesn't do anything, but since there is no proven treatment, I'm in.

[f6gal]

First, it's not "Trump's miracle cure."  Trump didn't come up with it... doctors did.  I became aware of the use of hydroxychloroquine/azithromycin combination well before Trump started talking about it.  In fact, in a PM, I suggested to Serk that he have his friend ask his doctors for it.  Whether or not that influenced his treatment, I have no idea.  I can tell you that many doctors are treating with the cocktail (along with Zinc now).  Many NY doctors are taking hydroxycholorquine prophylactically, due to their level of exposure.  Unfortunately, many patients are not receiving the regimen until they are already quite ill and it may be too late for it to be effective (which may be the case with the VA patients in the OP).   To fairly test of the treatment, it should be given at a patient's first symptoms.  

If I contract COVID-19, I'll let you know... cuz I'll be taking it the second I have cough and fever!!  

If I contract the covid I'd like to know an appropriate regimen of those. Can you share what you think would be the correct amount ?

(Disclaimer: Don't self treat or take fish tank cleaner!!)

There are a few different regimens suggested.  This seems pretty reasonable:
Hydroxychloroquine sulfate 200 mg tablets; take 2 tabs (400 mg) twice on day one (12 hours apart), then 1 tab (200 mg) every 12 hours for 4-7 days.  
Azithromycin 250 mg tablets; take 2 tablets (500 mg) on day 1, then 1 tab (250 mg) daily for 4 days.

I'm not sure of the Zinc dose.  I'll see if I can find it.

P.S. Use with great caution, if you are taking other medications that prolong QT interval.  Talk to your doctor.

Thanks, Connie   no worries on the fish cleaner, and luckily I need no other drugs. (Maybe a beer now and then)

Zinc is suggested at 75-100 mg/day.  (Zinc can be toxic, talk to your doctor.)

Thank you. Since I've got you "on the line". I've been hearing and reading about people who's oxygen levels are going bad without them realizing it till it's too late. Do you think one of those little machines you can buy a Walgreens, etc. for testing your oxygen levels would be helpful ? Or are they not accurate enough to be helpful ?

They are pretty darn accurate. 

[The emperor has no clothes]

Thanks ! You are the best ! 

[old2soon]

       With my bit over a trifecta of preexisting's and should I be confirmed with c19 and coupled with the FACT I already have breathing issues I'd not even have to guess here-gimmee the cocktail and PRAY for the best possible outcome. We have testimony from folks here I Believe and more importantly Trust. And I've been keeping a temperature log since 21 March 2020. Statrted then cuz That's When I found a thermometer too purchase!  RIDE SAFE.

[Davemn]

...
The quote below is very sad indeed, I wish I did not know things like this went on. Instead of trying to help these vetrans they used them as a control group.

About 28% who were given hydroxychloroquine plus usual care died, versus 11% of those getting routine care alone. About 22% of those getting the drug plus azithromycin died too,

To sum it up you didnt care enough to think about the study and what was happening to these vetrans you just wanted to bad mouth Trump, very sad and a disgrace actually you did not think.

In fairness, Robert, it was not actually a formal test with a control group and a group specifically given the tested medicine.  It was simply a review of some records indicating who had and who had not received the hydroxychloroquine and comparing numbers of fatalities and recoveries.  It's a flawed example as there is no consideration to when and what doses were given.  Further since the current mindset of many in the medical profession is to only use this option as a last resort, that is when the patient is likely to die without it, it does make sense that a large percentage of those given the medicine did die.

It is sad that anyone would celebrate any invalid study that claims to disqualify a possible cure just so one could ridicule a person who holds some hope that it may work.  

I still think it is a viable approach to surviving COVID-19 and I will vote against Davemn in November.

Nope you won’t vote against me. I won’t cancel your vote. I’ll be writing in my choice.
Watch this.......President Bone Spurs....AKA President Draft Dodger. Now you can delete my post.

[Davemn]

I know a 32 year old truck driver that was up in Washington and got the Virus bad. For over 2 weeks he thought he was going to die barely able to breath. Did not go on a ventilator. They gave him a dose of the Malaria drug and when he woke up he was able to breath. After 2nd dose started to feel he would be ok. He was released from the hospital a week and a half later. Maybe it was just his time to get better but no one will convince him it did not save his life. I do believe he will never smoke again.  Virus just kicked his ass.

Did you understand the study? Do you trust Dr Tony or Trump for medical advice? Good heavens!
Sample size of 1 is not a study.

[Moonshot_1]

I know a 32 year old truck driver that was up in Washington and got the Virus bad. For over 2 weeks he thought he was going to die barely able to breath. Did not go on a ventilator. They gave him a dose of the Malaria drug and when he woke up he was able to breath. After 2nd dose started to feel he would be ok. He was released from the hospital a week and a half later. Maybe it was just his time to get better but no one will convince him it did not save his life. I do believe he will never smoke again.  Virus just kicked his ass.

Did you understand the study? Do you trust Dr Tony or Trump for medical advice? Good heavens!
Sample size of 1 is not a study.

International poll of 6 thousand + doctors. Hydroxychloroquine rated most effective.
There is much evidence of this drug working and working well against Covid 19 symptoms.
Every success story is backed up by the doctor that prescribed it.

The Doctor. But because the President gets behind these doctors you would deny patients the medication that can keep them alive and healthy?

When you are at terminal velocity and 10' from the ground I'll toss you a chute.


https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/apr/2/hydroxychloroquine-rated-most-effective-therapy-do/

[Robert]

I see much derision but not much else, if it saves 5 lives wasn't that worth it?

Heck we get the speech that we are on lock down because if it saves a few lives its worth throwing the whole economy out the window and now when something actually works in at least some cases you lefties are out of your minds attacking this.

Common really, I mean really? Especially really when you have NOTHING Better to offer.

Heck you guys approve of experimental testing on our veterans.

As for prayer, I prayed people to be healed of hep C and quite a few more have gotten healed. I have seen others even raise the dead. But this is a discussion for another time.

You have seen deceased brought back to life by prayer ?

I may have seen it, since a lady in the back of the church essentially had no heart beat turned blue. But the special guest we had prayed for her and when the paramedics arrived, she was up and talking and had no signs of what had happened. I have had people I know pray and had people raised though.

 I currently know a nurse that the Dr's ask her to pray for them their family and patients when they are not feeling well or medicine does not seem to offer a solution. I am not talking about like the in the morning prayer but like the up close and personal laying on of hands prayers. Its not a spooky or strange thing either just believer and a prayer. Being a nurse she prays for the patients and there have been many cases of healings from some pretty serious diseases.

Smith Wigglesworth - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smith_Wigglesworth

There were reports that people were raised from the dead, including his wife Polly. Many people said they were cured of cancer by Jesus Christ through him. Wigglesworth, whose only training was as a plumber, described cancer as "a living evil spirit", and insisted that many diseases were "satanic in origin".

The story of Smiths wife Polly is an interesting one and if you want to its an interesting read of what happened. Smith himself was a plumber till he got into ministry, he was noted for occasionally doing some of the strangest things that would seem contrary to healing. Like punching someone, but they would be healed.

I have personally been healed through prayer and had several words of knowledge which is a supernatural word telling me what was wrong and what to do. Sometimes it was to see a Dr rather than a supernatural healing. Unless you experience it, its not what you would think, all of it is quite natural and matter of fact, unless you are the one being healed then the joy and feelings are unimaginable. 

I will say this one last thing on this subject, we are in the what some would call the end time. The bible talks pretty plainly about the problems that man will face in these times. Many have foolishly brought shame on the Christians and God by saying the world would end on a particular day. These people are charlatans, frauds and worse but we do see some things, that like a tree in fall dropping its leaves tells us that we are close.

[Oss]

Gov Cuomo should be arrested and charged with Manslaughter

Why?

He has the arrogance to BAN hydroxyQ without being a dr with no freakin idea what he is doing

He had the audacity to Ban DOCTORS from being able to Rx what THEY thought could work
for patients     I hope he gets COVID19 and the dr can not give him treatment That to me would
be poetic justice but that wont happen. He is too big to fail. Ever heard that before?

I was banned from taking it I was only given zpac and told to take zinc (below 75mg as each lozenge has like 7-9 mg only and I could not find it for days

The zpac did nothing alone and my breathing got worse.  Taking a lot of garlic  (4 cloves in hot water drink it all down a few times a day) and herbal antivirals finally helped me but I really did not want to have to do that

The parachute analogy is spot on.  The time to take it is right away when you are developing a symptom
It is a proven drug (Q) and no deadly side effect in small time period unless possibly you have RA or Lupus.

I have felt this way since watching a doctor in Chester NY talk about his patients getting Q once they developed symptoms and he had zero deaths. That is the objective NOT TO DIE right?

By the way, I have to correct myself, I was told Darryl died and believed it
but in fact according to his co worker who I finally reached yesterday he
is still ALIVE (yay) but on a ventilator in an induced coma.  I apologize for the wrong post and will continue to pray for the Lord to save people from the terrible ordeal of Covid19  I have lost however several other friends and clients have lost both parents and siblings.

But I say the whole prayer  Bless those who bless us and curse those who curse us

[The emperor has no clothes]

Gov Cuomo should be arrested and charged with Manslaughter

Why?

He has the arrogance to BAN hydroxyQ without being a dr with no freakin idea what he is doing

He had the audacity to Ban DOCTORS from being able to Rx what THEY thought could work
for patients     I hope he gets COVID19 and the dr can not give him treatment That to me would
be poetic justice but that wont happen. He is too big to fail. Ever heard that before?

I was banned from taking it I was only given zpac and told to take zinc (below 75mg as each lozenge has like 7-9 mg only and I could not find it for days

The zpac did nothing alone and my breathing got worse.  Taking a lot of garlic  (4 cloves in hot water drink it all down a few times a day) and herbal antivirals finally helped me but I really did not want to have to do that

The parachute analogy is spot on.  The time to take it is right away when you are developing a symptom
It is a proven drug (Q) and no deadly side effect in small time period unless possibly you have RA or Lupus.

I have felt this way since watching a doctor in Chester NY talk about his patients getting Q once they developed symptoms and he had zero deaths. That is the objective NOT TO DIE right?

By the way, I have to correct myself, I was told Darryl died and believed it
but in fact according to his co worker who I finally reached yesterday he
is still ALIVE (yay) but on a ventilator in an induced coma.  I apologize for the wrong post and will continue to pray for the Lord to save people from the terrible ordeal of Covid19  I have lost however several other friends and clients have lost both parents and siblings.

But I say the whole prayer  Bless those who bless us and curse those who curse us

Not exactly. Were that the case Gary's wife would not have gotten it.
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/apr/02/facebook-posts/chloroquine-not-banned-michigan-new-york-and-nevad/

[..]

Gov Cuomo should be arrested and charged with Manslaughter

Why?

He has the arrogance to BAN hydroxyQ without being a dr with no freakin idea what he is doing

He had the audacity to Ban DOCTORS from being able to Rx what THEY thought could work
for patients     I hope he gets COVID19 and the dr can not give him treatment That to me would
be poetic justice but that wont happen. He is too big to fail. Ever heard that before?

I was banned from taking it I was only given zpac and told to take zinc (below 75mg as each lozenge has like 7-9 mg only and I could not find it for days

The zpac did nothing alone and my breathing got worse.  Taking a lot of garlic  (4 cloves in hot water drink it all down a few times a day) and herbal antivirals finally helped me but I really did not want to have to do that

The parachute analogy is spot on.  The time to take it is right away when you are developing a symptom
It is a proven drug (Q) and no deadly side effect in small time period unless possibly you have RA or Lupus.

I have felt this way since watching a doctor in Chester NY talk about his patients getting Q once they developed symptoms and he had zero deaths. That is the objective NOT TO DIE right?

By the way, I have to correct myself, I was told Darryl died and believed it
but in fact according to his co worker who I finally reached yesterday he
is still ALIVE (yay) but on a ventilator in an induced coma.  I apologize for the wrong post and will continue to pray for the Lord to save people from the terrible ordeal of Covid19  I have lost however several other friends and clients have lost both parents and siblings.

But I say the whole prayer  Bless those who bless us and curse those who curse us

Not exactly. Were that the case Gary's wife would not have gotten it.
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/apr/02/facebook-posts/chloroquine-not-banned-michigan-new-york-and-nevad/

From your link

New York, Nevada restrict access to chloroquine
New York and Nevada have limited access to chloroquine since Trump’s March 19 press briefing. But neither of the actions comprise an outright ban on the drug.

Mebbe those who have access to Dr's. etc who have compassion used the drug?????

[old2soon]

       Rob you were asking about oxymeters and Connie gave you a good answer. And she Is Right. I use one near everyday. Mine is sourced from wally wurld. Believe it were $35 ish and right after I bought them-one for the cage-I swung by my V A Clinic and had them checked out against an about 5 or 6G clinical model they use in the clinic. Spot on!  If memory serves I believe I bought like the middle priced one from wally wurld. Mine uses two triple a batteries. The one I use shows % of oxygen in your blood along with your pulse. Says Equate near the readout. And comes with a Velcro carry pouch. O K hope this info is helpful. RIDE SAFE.

[Oss]

My doctor TOLD me that I could not get the drug UNLESS I were hospitalized

I could not get TESTED because I was not at the Hospital and even then without a high fever and turning blue lips he thought it was too dangerous for me to go there as I would PROBABLY beat the virus being
otherwise not immune compromised.

It took almost a month from when 1st symptoms in late Feb till over and I still have an occasional cough
but able to bring up phlem (sp?) so now just allergy type stuff In his humble opinion

Nothing but respect for the drs and nurses and staff. They were all kind, understanding and angry at Cuomo for tying their hands while people die  I will never forgive him as I wont ever forgive Fonda

[semo97]

Testing of veterans. I volunteered to take the test shot in '69 when I was in the service. It was for meningitis which was bad at the time in certain Forts. You had a lot of papers to sign and they went over everything possible. the up side and down side. If a person come down with it in your area we would be quarantined and studied. It was not like the testing they did on vets for shell shock after WW11,and its testing of LSD. In some cases we may have been test pigs but in most cases we were not. There is a lot of good and bad stories about tests and how they were done. Plus just made up bs. There is a lot of unknow about tests that we may never want to know. It took me a little time to research what we were given in Vietnam for malaria that they quit giving in early '70. it was chloroquine - premaquine, prophylaxis, mefloquine which they started in the late 80s but quit it in the 2000s as well. There were side effects. I am not saying what will work and what will not, it is your choice.

[carolinarider09]

My doctor TOLD me that I could not get the drug UNLESS I were hospitalized

I could not get TESTED because I was not at the Hospital and even then without a high fever and turning blue lips he thought it was too dangerous for me to go there as I would PROBABLY beat the virus being
otherwise not immune compromised.

It took almost a month from when 1st symptoms in late Feb till over and I still have an occasional cough
but able to bring up phlem (sp?) so now just allergy type stuff In his humble opinion

Nothing but respect for the drs and nurses and staff. They were all kind, understanding and angry at Cuomo for tying their hands while people die  I will never forgive him as I wont ever forgive Fonda

Your insights are experiences are interesting and very informative.  We watch a variety of news programs (not all day just in the morning) from Fox News to One American News Network and Newsmax. 

Nothing on these programs tell us of the restrictions and limitations on treatment options for New York state residents. 

What we do see is how incapable some of the political leaders are in handing issues such as this. 

[Willow]

... as I wont ever forgive Fonda 

Oh, no!  What did Henry do to you?   

[henry 008]

hey i didn't do anything to him  ??? 


oh, you meant Henry Fonda 

i always liked him 

[98valk]

My doctor TOLD me that I could not get the drug UNLESS I were hospitalized

I could not get TESTED because I was not at the Hospital and even then without a high fever and turning blue lips he thought it was too dangerous for me to go there as I would PROBABLY beat the virus being
otherwise not immune compromised.

It took almost a month from when 1st symptoms in late Feb till over and I still have an occasional cough
but able to bring up phlem (sp?) so now just allergy type stuff In his humble opinion

Nothing but respect for the drs and nurses and staff. They were all kind, understanding and angry at Cuomo for tying their hands while people die  I will never forgive him as I wont ever forgive Fonda

Thank God u are better OSS.

Isn't it strange that most if not all of the governors that have put restrictions on the Doctors are all of the pelosi and schummer party.

[F6Dave]

I'm now thinking we'll get through this in spite of, not because of, our government.  Their massive bureaucracy has delayed and limited testing, treatment, and PPE.  They told us we didn't need masks when pictures from China showed everyone wearing one.  They didn't replenish stockpiles of PPE that were created in response to SARS and MERS.  Now they're building ventilators that may never be needed.   After this is over we may look back and realize the private sector and American citizens did more to end this than the government.

[old2soon]

... as I wont ever forgive Fonda 

Oh, no!  What did Henry do to you?   

        Ah come on Carl! I KNEW instantly he was talkin bout hanoi hannah aka jayne fonda. What I personally think of her might not even be suitable conversation for even 30 year Marine Gunnies. Or 30 year Navy Master Chiefs. Yup-THAT bad.  RIDE SAFE.

[The emperor has no clothes]

Gov Cuomo should be arrested and charged with Manslaughter

Why?

He has the arrogance to BAN hydroxyQ without being a dr with no freakin idea what he is doing

He had the audacity to Ban DOCTORS from being able to Rx what THEY thought could work
for patients     I hope he gets COVID19 and the dr can not give him treatment That to me would
be poetic justice but that wont happen. He is too big to fail. Ever heard that before?

I was banned from taking it I was only given zpac and told to take zinc (below 75mg as each lozenge has like 7-9 mg only and I could not find it for days

The zpac did nothing alone and my breathing got worse.  Taking a lot of garlic  (4 cloves in hot water drink it all down a few times a day) and herbal antivirals finally helped me but I really did not want to have to do that

The parachute analogy is spot on.  The time to take it is right away when you are developing a symptom
It is a proven drug (Q) and no deadly side effect in small time period unless possibly you have RA or Lupus.

I have felt this way since watching a doctor in Chester NY talk about his patients getting Q once they developed symptoms and he had zero deaths. That is the objective NOT TO DIE right?

By the way, I have to correct myself, I was told Darryl died and believed it
but in fact according to his co worker who I finally reached yesterday he
is still ALIVE (yay) but on a ventilator in an induced coma.  I apologize for the wrong post and will continue to pray for the Lord to save people from the terrible ordeal of Covid19  I have lost however several other friends and clients have lost both parents and siblings.

But I say the whole prayer  Bless those who bless us and curse those who curse us

Not exactly. Were that the case Gary's wife would not have gotten it.
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/apr/02/facebook-posts/chloroquine-not-banned-michigan-new-york-and-nevad/

From your link

New York, Nevada restrict access to chloroquine
New York and Nevada have limited access to chloroquine since Trump’s March 19 press briefing. But neither of the actions comprise an outright ban on the drug.

Mebbe those who have access to Dr's. etc who have compassion used the drug?????

According to the link, they could prescribe it but they needed to enter them in a study to determine effectiveness. Also the rationale for this was to not deplete the supply for people who already had prescriptions for lupus, etc.

[The emperor has no clothes]

       Rob you were asking about oxymeters and Connie gave you a good answer. And she Is Right. I use one near everyday. Mine is sourced from wally wurld. Believe it were $35 ish and right after I bought them-one for the cage-I swung by my V A Clinic and had them checked out against an about 5 or 6G clinical model they use in the clinic. Spot on!  If memory serves I believe I bought like the middle priced one from wally wurld. Mine uses two triple a batteries. The one I use shows % of oxygen in your blood along with your pulse. Says Equate near the readout. And comes with a Velcro carry pouch. O K hope this info is helpful. RIDE SAFE.

Thanks Dennis. I think I’ll get one, can’t hurt. 

[Serk]

Although they've phased it out on the newest models, many models of Samsung phones have oxygen sensors built in...

https://www.androidcentral.com/how-measure-oxygen-saturation-using-samsung-health

[The emperor has no clothes]

Although they've phased it out on the newest models, many models of Samsung phones have oxygen sensors built in...

https://www.androidcentral.com/how-measure-oxygen-saturation-using-samsung-health

Yeah, I read something about an app for the iPhone but $40 for the machine ain’t much. Probably ain’t needed anyways. But after reading about people who had no idea their lungs were damaged till it was too late got me thinking about it. Besides, I’ve got a MIL who gets short of breath but is too frugal to get one.

[f6gal]

Gov Cuomo should be arrested and charged with Manslaughter

Why?

He has the arrogance to BAN hydroxyQ without being a dr with no freakin idea what he is doing

He had the audacity to Ban DOCTORS from being able to Rx what THEY thought could work
for patients     I hope he gets COVID19 and the dr can not give him treatment That to me would
be poetic justice but that wont happen. He is too big to fail. Ever heard that before?

I was banned from taking it I was only given zpac and told to take zinc (below 75mg as each lozenge has like 7-9 mg only and I could not find it for days

The zpac did nothing alone and my breathing got worse.  Taking a lot of garlic  (4 cloves in hot water drink it all down a few times a day) and herbal antivirals finally helped me but I really did not want to have to do that

The parachute analogy is spot on.  The time to take it is right away when you are developing a symptom
It is a proven drug (Q) and no deadly side effect in small time period unless possibly you have RA or Lupus.

I have felt this way since watching a doctor in Chester NY talk about his patients getting Q once they developed symptoms and he had zero deaths. That is the objective NOT TO DIE right?

By the way, I have to correct myself, I was told Darryl died and believed it
but in fact according to his co worker who I finally reached yesterday he
is still ALIVE (yay) but on a ventilator in an induced coma.  I apologize for the wrong post and will continue to pray for the Lord to save people from the terrible ordeal of Covid19  I have lost however several other friends and clients have lost both parents and siblings.

But I say the whole prayer  Bless those who bless us and curse those who curse us

Not exactly. Were that the case Gary's wife would not have gotten it.
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/apr/02/facebook-posts/chloroquine-not-banned-michigan-new-york-and-nevad/

The governors of NY, MI, and NV did not "ban" the drug.  But they did restrict its use.  

Karen Whitsett, a MI state representative who contracted C-19 heard about the medication from Trump talking about it.  She had a difficult time getting the drug because of the order from Michigan Department of Licensing and Regulatory Affairs, under Gov. Gretchen Whitmer.

Whitsett: “I did have a difficult time, even that day, obtaining the medication because of an order that was put down in my state.  And it was on that day, so you can imagine how terrified I was that I had to beg and plead and go through a whole lot to try to get the medication.”

Whitsett stated she was feeling better within hours of her first dose of the medication.  Despite being a democrat politician, she credits the drug (and Trump) with saving her life.  

[Oss]

Connie I respect your medical opinion. You are on the front lines yourself in Arizona.

However, when 2 different doctors both tell me they would love to give me HydroxyQ but the Governor has banned them from doing so, I take that as gospel.  Cuomo sounds great on TV,but that does not mean what his office puts out jibes with his mouth.

Now, if I were to have been admitted to hospital, or made like I had delirium high temp
 PERHAPS I MIGHT possibly be one of the lucky ones to get it
However, again, I could not even get tested either time or later while driving I saw the lighted board on the parkway with phone #.(the ones they use for amber alert)  They were useless when I called there was no person to speak with just lots of different message options and no place to leave a message.


Thank goodness Cheryl got the drug in time to save that lovely woman.

Stay healthy, I am glad your cruise was terrific loved the pics of SAWB and yourself

[f6gal]

Connie I respect your medical opinion. You are on the front lines yourself in Arizona.

However, when 2 different doctors both tell me they would love to give me HydroxyQ but the Governor has banned them from doing so, I take that as gospel.  Cuomo sounds great on TV,but that does not mean what his office puts out jibes with his mouth.

Perhaps I didn't word it well.  I was responding to meathead and basically agreeing with you.  In NY the drug was restricted to hospitalized patients.  So, essentially it was "banned" for outpatient use.

[F6Dave]

Received this from a friend this morning.  A long article, but VERY informative...

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This is what I learned during 10 days of treating Covid pneumonia at Bellevue Hospital.
By Richard Levitan  (Dr. Levitan is an emergency doctor.)
NYT Opinion  -  April 20, 2020

This article proposes that the coronavirus can lower blood oxygen levels and thereby cause critical lung damage, even though you evidence no coronavirus symptoms!  To monitor these levels, you should consider obtaining a pulse oximeter to monitor your levels (in the same sense you'd use a thermometer to monitor your temperature) and seek treatment if things get out of hand.

.......................................

A pulse oximeter, available over the counter at pharmacies, can provide early warning of the kinds of breathing problems associated with Covid-19 pneumonia.

I have been practicing emergency medicine for 30 years. In 1994 I invented an imaging system for teaching intubation, the procedure of inserting breathing tubes. This led me to perform research into this procedure, and subsequently teach airway procedure courses to physicians worldwide for the last two decades.

So at the end of March, as a crush of Covid-19 patients began overwhelming hospitals in New York City, I volunteered to spend 10 days at Bellevue, helping at the hospital where I trained. Over those days, I realized that we are not detecting the deadly pneumonia the virus causes early enough and that we could be doing more to keep patients off ventilators — and alive.

On the long drive to New York from my home in New Hampshire, I called my friend Nick Caputo, an emergency physician in the Bronx, who was already in the thick of it. I wanted to know what I was facing, how to stay safe and about his insights into airway management with this disease. “Rich,” he said, “it’s like nothing I’ve ever seen before.”

He was right. Pneumonia caused by the coronavirus has had a stunning impact on the city’s hospital system. Normally an E.R. has a mix of patients with conditions ranging from the serious, such as heart attacks, strokes and traumatic injuries, to the nonlife-threatening, such as minor lacerations, intoxication, orthopedic injuries and migraine headaches.

During my recent time at Bellevue, though, almost all the E.R. patients had Covid pneumonia. Within the first hour of my first shift I inserted breathing tubes into two patients.

Even patients without respiratory complaints had Covid pneumonia. The patient stabbed in the shoulder, whom we X-rayed because we worried he had a collapsed lung, actually had Covid pneumonia. In patients on whom we did CT scans because they were injured in falls, we coincidentally found Covid pneumonia. Elderly patients who had passed out for unknown reasons and a number of diabetic patients were found to have it.

And here is what really surprised us: These patients did not report any sensation of breathing problems, even though their chest X-rays showed diffuse pneumonia and their oxygen was below normal. How could this be?

We are just beginning to recognize that Covid pneumonia initially causes a form of oxygen deprivation we call “silent hypoxia” — “silent” because of its insidious, hard-to-detect nature.

Pneumonia is an infection of the lungs in which the air sacs fill with fluid or pus. Normally, patients develop chest discomfort, pain with breathing and other breathing problems. But when Covid pneumonia first strikes, patients don’t feel short of breath, even as their oxygen levels fall. And by the time they do, they have alarmingly low oxygen levels and moderate-to-severe pneumonia (as seen on chest X-rays). Normal oxygen saturation for most persons at sea level is 94 percent to 100 percent; Covid pneumonia patients I saw had oxygen saturations as low as 50 percent.

To my amazement, most patients I saw said they had been sick for a week or so with fever, cough, upset stomach and fatigue, but they only became short of breath the day they came to the hospital. Their pneumonia had clearly been going on for days, but by the time they felt they had to go to the hospital, they were often already in critical condition.

In emergency departments we insert breathing tubes in critically ill patients for a variety of reasons. In my 30 years of practice, however, most patients requiring emergency intubation are in shock, have altered mental status or are grunting to breathe. Patients requiring intubation because of acute hypoxia are often unconscious or using every muscle they can to take a breath. They are in extreme duress. Covid pneumonia cases are very different.

A vast majority of Covid pneumonia patients I met had remarkably low oxygen saturations at triage — seemingly incompatible with life — but they were using their cellphones as we put them on monitors. Although breathing fast, they had relatively minimal apparent distress, despite dangerously low oxygen levels and terrible pneumonia on chest X-rays.

We are only just beginning to understand why this is so. The coronavirus attacks lung cells that make surfactant. This substance helps keep the air sacs in the lungs stay open between breaths and is critical to normal lung function. As the inflammation from Covid pneumonia starts, it causes the air sacs to collapse, and oxygen levels fall. Yet the lungs initially remain “compliant,” not yet stiff or heavy with fluid. This means patients can still expel carbon dioxide — and without a buildup of carbon dioxide, patients do not feel short of breath.

Patients compensate for the low oxygen in their blood by breathing faster and deeper — and this happens without their realizing it. This silent hypoxia, and the patient’s physiological response to it, causes even more inflammation and more air sacs to collapse, and the pneumonia worsens until their oxygen levels plummet. In effect, the patient is injuring their own lungs by breathing harder and harder. Twenty percent of Covid pneumonia patients then go on to a second and deadlier phase of lung injury. Fluid builds up and the lungs become stiff, carbon dioxide rises, and patients develop acute respiratory failure.

By the time patients have noticeable trouble breathing and present to the hospital with dangerously low oxygen levels, many will ultimately require a ventilator.

Silent hypoxia progressing rapidly to respiratory failure explains cases of Covid-19 patients dying suddenly after not feeling short of breath. (It appears that most Covid-19 patients experience relatively mild symptoms and get over the illness in a week or two without treatment.)

A major reason this pandemic is straining our health system is the alarming severity of lung injury patients have when they arrive in emergency rooms. Covid-19 overwhelmingly kills through the lungs. And because so many patients are not going to the hospital until their pneumonia is already well advanced, many wind up on ventilators, causing shortages of the machines. And once on ventilators, many die.

Avoiding the use of a ventilator is a huge win for both patient and the health care system. The resources needed for patients on ventilators are staggering. Vented patients require multiple sedatives so that they don’t buck the vent or accidentally remove their breathing tubes; they need intravenous and arterial lines, IV medicines and IV pumps. In addition to a tube in the trachea, they have tubes in their stomach and bladder. Teams of people are required to move each patient, turning them on their stomach and then their back, twice a day to improve lung function.

There is a way we could identify more patients who have Covid pneumonia sooner and treat them more effectively — and it would not require waiting for a coronavirus test at a hospital or doctor’s office. It requires detecting silent hypoxia early through a common medical device that can be purchased without a prescription at most pharmacies: a pulse oximeter.

Pulse oximetry is no more complicated than using a thermometer. These small devices turn on with one button and are placed on a fingertip. In a few seconds, two numbers are displayed: oxygen saturation and pulse rate. Pulse oximeters are extremely reliable in detecting oxygenation problems and elevated heart rates.

Pulse oximeters helped save the lives of two emergency physicians I know, alerting them early on to the need for treatment. When they noticed their oxygen levels declining, both went to the hospital and recovered (though one waited longer and required more treatment). Detection of hypoxia, early treatment and close monitoring apparently also worked for Boris Johnson, the British prime minister.

Widespread pulse oximetry screening for Covid pneumonia — whether people check themselves on home devices or go to clinics or doctors’ offices — could provide an early warning system for the kinds of breathing problems associated with Covid pneumonia.

People using the devices at home would want to consult with their doctors to reduce the number of people who come to the E.R. unnecessarily because they misinterpret their device. There also may be some patients who have unrecognized chronic lung problems and have borderline or slightly low oxygen saturations unrelated to Covid-19.

All patients who have tested positive for the coronavirus should have pulse oximetry monitoring for two weeks, the period during which Covid pneumonia typically develops. All persons with cough, fatigue and fevers should also have pulse oximeter monitoring even if they have not had virus testing, or even if their swab test was negative, because those tests are only about 70 percent accurate. A vast majority of Americans who have been exposed to the virus don’t know it.

There are other things we can do as well to avoid immediately resorting to intubation and a ventilator. Patient positioning maneuvers (having patients lie on their stomach and sides) opens up the lower and posterior lungs most affected in Covid pneumonia. Oxygenation and positioning helped patients breathe easier and seemed to prevent progression of the disease in many cases. In a preliminary study by Dr. Caputo, this strategy helped keep three out of four patients with advanced Covid pneumonia from needing a ventilator in the first 24 hours.

To date, Covid-19 has killed more than 40,600 people nationwide — more than 10,000 in New York State alone. Oximeters are not 100 percent accurate, and they are not a panacea. There will be deaths and bad outcomes that are not preventable. We don’t fully understand why certain patients get so sick, or why some go on to develop multi-organ failure. Many elderly people, already weak with chronic illness, and those with underlying lung disease do very poorly with Covid pneumonia, despite aggressive treatment.

But we can do better. Right now, many emergency rooms are either being crushed by this one disease or waiting for it to hit. We must direct resources to identifying and treating the initial phase of Covid pneumonia earlier by screening for silent hypoxia.

It’s time to get ahead of this virus instead of chasing it.

[shortleg]

This so called study gave the drug after advanced stage and to older
Patients . With underlying conditions,
   None of this study would pass as any kind of study , the press
Just needed to find something anything to fight anything the President said.

[The emperor has no clothes]

Received this from a friend this morning.  A long article, but VERY informative...

--------------------------------

This is what I learned during 10 days of treating Covid pneumonia at Bellevue Hospital.
By Richard Levitan  (Dr. Levitan is an emergency doctor.)
NYT Opinion  -  April 20, 2020

This article proposes that the coronavirus can lower blood oxygen levels and thereby cause critical lung damage, even though you evidence no coronavirus symptoms!  To monitor these levels, you should consider obtaining a pulse oximeter to monitor your levels (in the same sense you'd use a thermometer to monitor your temperature) and seek treatment if things get out of hand.

.......................................

A pulse oximeter, available over the counter at pharmacies, can provide early warning of the kinds of breathing problems associated with Covid-19 pneumonia.

I think word got out. A couple days ago Walgreens had 6 in stock. I stopped by today on my way home. They were out. CVS was also out, along with Walmart.

You snooze, you lose. 

[Jersey mike]

Received this from a friend this morning.  A long article, but VERY informative...

--------------------------------

This is what I learned during 10 days of treating Covid pneumonia at Bellevue Hospital.
By Richard Levitan  (Dr. Levitan is an emergency doctor.)
NYT Opinion  -  April 20, 2020

This article proposes that the coronavirus can lower blood oxygen levels and thereby cause critical lung damage, even though you evidence no coronavirus symptoms!  To monitor these levels, you should consider obtaining a pulse oximeter to monitor your levels (in the same sense you'd use a thermometer to monitor your temperature) and seek treatment if things get out of hand.

.......................................

A pulse oximeter, available over the counter at pharmacies, can provide early warning of the kinds of breathing problems associated with Covid-19 pneumonia.

I think word got out. A couple days ago Walgreens had 6 in stock. I stopped by today on my way home. They were out. CVS was also out, along with Walmart.

You snooze, you lose. 

If you have any in your area check the private drug stores. About 3 weeks ago we needed a nebulizer for our daughter (her old one was acting up) and Walgreens was out, all stock was on back order, CVS, Rite Aide and Walmart didn’t have any either. Pharmacist at CVS told us to try a certain local private pharmacy and they had several in stock ready for pick up.

[JimC]

I think word got out. A couple days ago Walgreens had 6 in stock. I stopped by today on my way home. They were out. CVS was also out, along with Walmart.

Amazon, I ordered one three weeks ago and it was here in 2 days.

JIm

[Valkorado]

Submitted for your review.  I have no dogs in the hunt, and if I was dying in a hospital and offered the option of taking the drug vs. doing nothing I'd sure take the drug.  So don't shoot the messenger.

This caution was issued by the FDA today.

https://www.fda.gov/drugs/drug-safety-and-availability/fda-cautions-against-use-hydroxychloroquine-or-chloroquine-covid-19-outside-hospital-setting-or