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« on: May 02, 2020, 04:43:43 AM »

Democrats accused of double standard on Biden, Kavanaugh
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Democrats and the news media are being accused of a double standard in how they've addressed allegations of sexual assault against former Vice President Joe Biden and Supreme Court Justice Brett Kavanaugh.

Both Biden and Kavanaugh have faced decades-old charges that first became public at critical junctures in their pursuit of high political office.

Top Democrats who were on the front lines demanding justice for Christine Blasey Ford during the Kavanaugh hearings have rushed to defend Biden, saying they do not believe the allegations made against him by Tara Reade.

And while the news media printed salacious new allegations against Kavanaugh before vetting the accusers or their claims, media outlets have approached Reade's allegations with extreme caution.
Critics in both parties say Democrats and the news media set the standard of "believing all women" during the Kavanaugh hearings but have not met that standard in dealing with Biden.
"There is a clear double standard between how the media and Democrats treated Dr. Christine Blasey Ford's allegations versus Tara Reade's allegations," said Mike Davis, who led the Senate effort to confirm Kavanaugh.

"It was stunning to see Democrats say they believed Joe Biden even before he'd spoken a word about this," he added. "And the media instantly and breathlessly reported on all of the allegations against Justice Kavanaugh, which resulted in three criminal referrals against accusers for conspiracy to lie to Congress."

In 2018, top Democrats reacted with fury at the allegations made by Blasey Ford, demanding Kavanaugh remove himself from consideration to the Supreme Court.  They walked with the protesters on Capitol Hill, fundraised off the hearings and used the issue to energize the liberal base ahead of the 2018 midterms, in which Democrats won back the House.
Privately, some Democrats are now lamenting the standard they set in 2018, saying it has backfired now that Biden has been accused.

"We set up a standard we can't live by. No one likes to discuss it but it's the reality," said one Democratic strategist who requested anonymity to talk candidly. "It looks terrible for him and for the party. You can't say you believe women and then take it all back because it doesn't apply to you."
Blasey Ford accused Kavanaugh of assaulting her in the early 1980s when they were both in high school. Reade accused Biden of assaulting her in the early 1990s when she worked in his Senate office.

Biden and Kavanaugh have both strenuously denied the allegations against them.
In her interview with Biden on MSNBC on Friday, Mika Brzezinski read Biden's words about Blasey Ford back to him.

In 2018, Biden said that if a woman comes forward "in the glaring lights of focus," you've got to "start off with the presumption that at least the essence of what she is talking about is real."
Brzezinksi also singled out Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.), Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand (D-N.Y.) and former Georgia gubernatorial candidate Stacey Abrams as Democratic women who said Blasey Ford must be believed but are now defending Biden against Reade's allegations.

"Are women to be believed unless it pertains to you?" Brzezinksi asked Biden.
Biden responded that women should be "given the benefit of the doubt" and should "should start off with the presumption they're telling the truth."
"Then you have to look at the circumstances and the facts," he said. "And the facts in this case do not exist. They never happened, and there's so many inconsistencies in what has been said in this case. So yes, look at the facts and I assure you it did not happen, period. Period."

Survivor advocates say Republicans are mischaracterizing the response to the Kavanaugh allegations, arguing that the effort was always to ensure that Blasey Ford's accusations were fully investigated by the FBI before his Senate confirmation vote.

"The idea that Democrats just reflexively believed Christine Blasey Ford is a completely revisionist version of events," said Robyn Swirling, founder of Works In Progress, which aims to reduce sexual violence in the workplace. "Democrats called for an FBI investigation, which was obstructed and never thoroughly conducted. All allegations -- whether against a Democrat or a Republican -- should be treated by Democrats and Republicans alike as equally serious matters. Survivors are not political pawns, and shouldn't be used as such to score political points or pursue electoral agendas."

The news media's coverage of Kavanaugh is getting new scrutiny amid the allegations against Biden.
The Kavanaugh hearing was the biggest political story of 2018, with media outlets scouring his yearbook, hounding former classmates and printing claims from women other than Blasey Ford in an effort to establish a pattern of misbehavior.

Several of the additional claims crumbled under scrutiny, including an allegation of gang rape made by Julie Swetnick, who was represented by Michael Avenatti. That allegation resulted in a criminal referral for conspiracy to lie to Congress.

By contrast, several major media outlets printed their first stories addressing the Reade allegations about three weeks after Reade first made the claims on March 25. All three stories dropped within a few hours of one another on Easter Sunday.

Biden conducted about two dozen interviews with media outlets between March 25 and April 30, including one with MSNBC's "Morning Joe," and he was not asked once about the allegations until the May 1 interview with Brzezinksi.

Until this week, Reade's allegations had mostly been pushed forward by partisan media on the left and right.  Reade will go on Fox News Sunday this weekend to address her claims. She told New York Times media critic Ben Smith that she wanted to avoid going on Fox News out of fear it would make her allegations appear political. But she said bookers from other cable and broadcast outlets are not calling her.

"Absolutely there's been a disparity in the way the media has approached these two cases," said Tobe Berkovitz, a Boston University professor who specializes in political communications. "The burden of proof has not been the same. And granted, right now you have COVID-19 as the story that is always going to be the lead, but you'd think after that you'd see more about Reade's allegations. It just hasn't been a big story."

Trump and Republicans are furious, alleging hypocrisy on the part of Democrats and the media. Trump has himself been accused of assault or misconduct by 23 women, all of which he has denied.
"I look at the double standard," Trump said Friday. "You look at Biden and nobody even wants to bring up the subject."

MSNBC anchor Nicolle Wallace said it's a double standard for Republicans to try and create an "equal playing field" between Trump and Biden, when Trump has been accused by many more women.
"The right isn't running an intellectually honest operation to get to the bottom of whether Tara Reade was victimized," Wallace said. "The right is running a smear campaign against Joe Biden."

The Trump campaign released a new digital ad accusing Democrats of hypocrisy on the issue. The National Republican Congressional Committee released scores of press releases on Friday highlighting remarks from vulnerable Democrats who demanded Kavanaugh step aside but have been quiet about the allegations against Biden.

"It's a bit of a Pandora's Box we opened on this one," said one Democratic fundraiser. "A perfect trap and we stepped right into it."


A Perfect Trap?  I think not...  ???   The Standard has been set, now follow it.   coolsmiley
Where are all those defenders of Blasey-Ford now, why are they not defending Reade the same way, that would include the politians, the media and yes, our own members......  tickedoff

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« Reply #1 on: May 02, 2020, 05:11:42 AM »

Who would expect anything different !

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« Reply #2 on: May 02, 2020, 07:25:06 AM »

Who wants to read all that?
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« Reply #3 on: May 02, 2020, 07:53:33 AM »

If you dont want to read the whole  thing then just look at these videos and decide for yourself.


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Exposed: Democrats’ double standard on believing women

https://youtu.be/euuZl475skY

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi on Joe Biden

https://youtu.be/RDsJGqj_L54

Pelosi, Democrats express support for Kavanaugh accuser

https://youtu.be/wQdL7i-YhmM?t=453

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« Reply #4 on: May 02, 2020, 08:09:24 AM »

Who wants to read all that?

Some like to be informed.

Some like to be ignorant.
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« Reply #5 on: May 02, 2020, 08:14:18 AM »

Apply the same standard as was applied to Kavanaugh televised for the public.

Let her testify for 2-3 days and let Joe testify for 2-3 days. It can’t get more simple than that. Ms.Ford came forward with less and had her voice heard. What good for one is good for the other.
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« Reply #6 on: May 02, 2020, 08:28:58 AM »

Of course, there's no question of a double standard. (and turnabout is fair play)  Who would expect otherwise?

But I'd rather watch an Abbot and Costello movie (or smack my thumb with a hammer) than another hearing about who diddled who almost 30 years ago.

And riddle me this:  After another hearing where nothing was proved up or down, would all the women who would ordinarily vote straight democrat as a matter of course, NOT vote for him anyway, or vote for Trump, or stay home and not vote at all?

I'm pretty sure I know the answer.

(Who's on first?) 

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« Reply #7 on: May 02, 2020, 09:46:35 AM »

Who wants to read all that?

What was your stance during the Cavanaugh hearings?

Just curious.... 

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« Reply #8 on: May 02, 2020, 10:02:28 AM »

Who wants to read all that?

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« Reply #9 on: May 02, 2020, 10:20:08 AM »

Who wants to read all that?

Some like to be informed.

Some like to be ignorant.
Geez I hope you’re not calling me ignorant.
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« Reply #10 on: May 02, 2020, 10:20:56 AM »

Who wants to read all that?

What was your stance during the Cavanaugh hearings?

Just curious.... 

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« Reply #11 on: May 02, 2020, 10:29:52 AM »

Nothing to see here move along.
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« Reply #12 on: May 02, 2020, 10:46:52 AM »

If you want to learn more about me read this. If not I couldn’t care less. Maybe if you do choose to read you won’t call me nasty names. Most of my posts get deleted....I guess for not being one of the gang. I never call people names although I do jab Trump once in awhile....guilty.

I’ve voted republican for 45 years.....always.
I’m a gun owner but I don’t have them to be a tough guy. Hunting.
I see no need to carry. I don’t care if you do. If there’s a shootout and I get shot so be it. I’m not living my life in fear in case there is.
I think the NRA are a bunch of kooks. We don’t need bump stocks, long mags and cop killer bullets. But I will fight to keep anyone from my guns......yours too.
I will fight for the unborn.
I’m a devout Lutheran.....the conservative synod.
I think President Trump is a terrible human being. He’s a liar. He always changes his mind because he’s not very smart. I don’t trust him. I think his wealthy father got him out of Vietnam. Someone else served in his place, I hope they made it home. I think he’s a coward. I voted for Rubio.
He disparaged the name of John McCain. He’s not half the man John McCain was.
I’m sure this won’t see the light of day.

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« Reply #13 on: May 02, 2020, 11:04:50 AM »

If you want to learn more about me read this. If not I couldn’t care less. Maybe if you do choose to read you won’t call me nasty names. Most of my posts get deleted....I guess for not being one of the gang. I never call people names although I do jab Trump once in awhile....guilty.

I’ve voted republican for 45 years.....always.
I’m a gun owner but I don’t have them to be a tough guy. Hunting.
I see no need to carry. I don’t care if you do. If there’s a shootout and I get shot so be it. I’m not living my life in fear in case there is.
I think the NRA are a bunch of kooks. We don’t need bump stocks, long mags and cop killer bullets. But I will fight to keep anyone from my guns......yours too.
I will fight for the unborn.
I’m a devout Lutheran.....the conservative synod.
I think President Trump is a terrible human being. He’s a liar. He always changes his mind because he’s not very smart. I don’t trust him. I think his wealthy father got him out of Vietnam. Someone else served in his place, I hope they made it home. I think he’s a coward. I voted for Rubio.
He disparaged the name of John McCain. He’s not half the man John McCain was.
I’m sure this won’t see the light of day.


Well then. That changes everything. You do realize you have typed all those same words in a crap ton of your posts for years now don't you?
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« Reply #14 on: May 02, 2020, 12:32:57 PM »

Who wants to read all that?

What was your stance during the Cavanaugh hearings?

Just curious.... 

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I should have asked a more specific question.
In reference to the Cavanaugh hearings, your position on the accusations, the accuser and the proceedings?

Personally, I believe the same type of Investigation and hearing should be held, what’s good for the goose is good for the gander.

That’s not to say I would enjoy watching it.

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« Reply #15 on: May 02, 2020, 12:38:13 PM »

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Personally, I believe the same type of Investigation and hearing should be held, what’s good for the goose is good for the gander.
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The Senate is not required to confirm the eligibility of a presidential candidate so the same kind of hearing would not make sense.
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« Reply #16 on: May 02, 2020, 12:44:47 PM »

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Personally, I believe the same type of Investigation and hearing should be held, what’s good for the goose is good for the gander.
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The Senate is not required to confirm the eligibility of a presidential candidate so the same kind of hearing would not make sense.

Of course, you are correct.

My suggestion is that Vice President Biden and his accuser get as much attention as Cavanaugh appointment to the Supreme Court got.
I think we all know that simply won’t happen.

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« Reply #17 on: May 02, 2020, 12:48:50 PM »

Our mistake is in believing that those opposing a Supreme Court confirmation were speaking of their own standards.  They were not.  They were simply making an excuse for their politically motivated attacks.  They certainly have no motivation to attack their own party's presidential candidate.
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« Reply #18 on: May 02, 2020, 08:54:06 PM »

Our mistake is in believing that those opposing a Supreme Court confirmation were speaking of their own standards.  They were not.  They were simply making an excuse for their politically motivated attacks.  They certainly have no motivation to attack their own party's presidential candidate.

I hate to think that men and women of good conscience will not apply the same standard regardless of who the accused is but, it does appear you are correct.   All I hear are crickets.   Speaks volumes about them.

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« Reply #19 on: May 03, 2020, 01:59:02 AM »

"Speaks volumes about them"


I wouldn't expect anything different. It just gets worse. Their circle of wagons can't get much tighter. Did you hear pelosi recently go off on a reporter ?
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« Reply #20 on: May 03, 2020, 07:48:53 AM »

DaveM  This one is for you.

This is an off kilter world we live in

Trump was a Democrat who became a Republican because he
could not stand the economic policies of that party.
He ran for President because he was fed up with the way the USA
was being a patsy for the rest of the world on trade
Did I like him before he ran?  No
Did I think he was racist before he ran?  NO  The man for years had a black
girl friend and his daughter converted to be a jew. He is open minded and generous
He works for free, donating his salary every year
when it brings him no benefit over the years  Here in NY we know of many spontaneous
acts of generosity by Donald Trump over the years that brought him no gain and which
he sought no gain. He gets things done.  Was he a sharp businessman? You betchya
He got in to make $ and got out for the same reason. He worked over the people who supplied services
when it suited him.  He was no saint in business.  Neither was any of the robber barrons
who built america into what it became before him.


Is he a big mouth. Absolutely  It comes with show biz these days
I do not hold his lack of military service any more against him than I did Clinton
or Obama or Romney and did not credit McCain any more for the same reason.
McCain had his shot and like Romney lacked the gumption to lead his party to victory

Only Trump said he did not care what our allies would do, he would base his
policy on what is best for america
The CCP gave us the virus/pandemic, with or without the assistance of unwitting fools
like Gates and others unknown yet.
China like many other entities (radical islam, communism which is not dead) have been
at long game war with the USA for decades now.
We were beating China, and badly and their corrupt CCP allowed the development and
release of covid19 while they build next generation aircraft carriers, develop barrier islands to take over the south china sea routes (They learned from Japan) and crush religion and free press.  They also continue to steal our intellectual property and listen in on everything as they develop chips that go into everything because we were stupid enough to allow them access

Did we over react? ( I am not sure still even though I think I had covid and it was no picnic)

But I do not think anyone could have handled it better and more imaginatively than Trump
It took Trump to level the international playing field, return jobs to the USA, boost all of our retirement
401k's and portfolios and bring unemployment of blacks, latino, women and white to the lowest levels ever recorded.  The development of drugs, last chance options !  These are things unimaginable a few years back. The VA being held responsible ! amazing for our vets.

Holding covid over his head because you think you could do better or do not like his tweets (I dont either) makes no sense to me, especially as you must agree the whole impeachment debacle was a
DNC objective since day one.  Show your righteous indignation there, against Clinton and the false
ring bearers of the DNC like the witch Pelosi and the girls wearing KKK white of their party
Oss


WOW! Very well said!!!
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« Reply #21 on: May 03, 2020, 07:57:36 AM »

 
Allegation against Biden prompts reexamination of “Believe women”
https://www.msn.com/en-us/n...w3EA?ocid=spartandhp

Joe Biden, discussing sexual assault claims in early 2018, told PBS flatly, “Women should be believed.” On Friday, facing his own accusations, he stressed on MSNBC the importance of “taking the woman’s claims seriously when she steps forward — and then vet it, look into it.”

That shift in Biden’s tone reflects the way a former staffer’s claim that he assaulted her 27 years ago is raising new questions for the #MeToo movement. Democrats and women’s activists, eager to unseat a president they consider deeply misogynistic, are facing tough decisions over whether to stick by Biden or distance themselves — and whether to redefine what emerged as a stark rallying cry after centuries of injustice: “Believe women.”

Among those publicly wrestling with such issues is Alyssa Milano, an actress, #MeToo activist and Biden supporter. “How do progressive women choose between the p---y grabber in chief who has done so much damage to our country and a man who has allegations made against him?” Milano wrote in Deadline, which covers Hollywood and entertainment.
She added, “Believing women was never about ‘Believe all women no matter what they say,’ it was about changing the culture of NOT believing women by default.”

Some longtime women’s rights activists warn that downplaying former staffer Tara Reade’s claims could undermine the movement’s credibility by suggesting it only targets men whose policies it dislikes. “I think that this could potentially signal the end of MeToo,” said Michele Dauber, a Stanford University law professor who heads the Enough is Enough Voter Project and has called for an investigation. “The failure to investigate, and the failure to live by our principles, will become silencing.”

Republicans have wasted little time accusing Democrats of hypocrisy, citing their near-uniform outrage when sexual assault allegations arose in 2018 against Supreme Court nominee Brett M. Kavanaugh — which, like those against Biden, involved long-ago events and notable but limited corroboration.
Reade has accused Biden of sexually assaulting her in 1993 in a semiprivate area of the U.S. Capitol complex. Reade says Biden pinned her against a wall, reached under her skirt and pushed his fingers inside her. She was a 29-year-old staff assistant at the time.

The accusation received some corroboration in recent days when Business Insider published an account by a former neighbor who said Reade told her about the alleged incident several years after she said it occurred. The neighbor, Lynda LaCasse, confirmed that account to The Washington Post.
Biden’s appearance Friday on MSNBC’s “Morning Joe” was the first time he had personally addressed Reade’s claim, and it came as a growing number of women’s groups and activists were urging him to do so.

“It is not true,” Biden said of the allegations. “I’m saying unequivocally it never, never happened, and it didn’t. It never happened.”
Asked to comment for this article, Biden’s campaign pointed to remarks from the candidate’s fundraiser Friday night denying the accusation but adding that it is appropriate for Reade’s claims to be investigated. “It isn’t enough just to simply take my word for it and to dismiss it out of hand,” Biden said during the virtual event. “Frankly, that shouldn’t be enough for anyone, because we know that this sort of approach is exactly how the culture of abuse has been allowed to fester for so long.”

From the beginning, many #MeToo activists emphasized that while accusers should be taken seriously and treated respectfully, that did not mean they should be believed without question. During the furor over Kavanaugh, for example, many of his critics supported one of his accusers, psychology professor Christine Blasey Ford, while remaining wary of others.

“Believing survivors is about a paradigm shift away from assuming that survivors are lying right out of the gate, which has been our cultural and societal norm,” said Shaunna Thomas, co-founder of UltraViolet, a group that advocates for gender equality. Even so, the Biden allegations are prompting a struggle for many activists.
“Two things can be true,” said Rebecca Katz, a liberal Democratic operative. “There may be allegations that are credible, and also that Joe Biden might make a much better president than Donald Trump. And it is a real struggle trying to confront that.” She added, “If you’re going to say that you believe women, then you need to believe women.”
Even Lynda LaCasse, the former neighbor who provided some corroboration for Reade by saying Reade told her about the alleged incident several years after it she said it happened, voiced ambivalence after seeing Biden’s MSNBC appearance.

“He looks very believable, too,” LaCasse said Friday in an interview with Democracy Now!, an independent news program. “But I’m hearing this today, and I heard Tara a long time ago telling me that. So, I’m struggling with it, with the election now.” She still intends to vote for Biden, she said.
Reade’s accusation is the latest in a string of sexual misconduct allegations against powerful politicians in recent years. Women’s advocates acknowledge the responses have shifted over time, because of the specific circumstances as well as an evolving political landscape.

An early explosive charge came in 2017, when Alabama Republican Senate candidate Roy Moore was accused of sexual misconduct involving young women, including one teenager who said he molested her. Leaders from both parties — with the exception of President Trump — abandoned Moore, and a Democrat was elected to the Senate from the deep red state. Around the same time, multiple women said they had been groped by Sen. Al Franken (D-Minn.), who resigned in January 2018 after condemnation from both parties. Franken denied the allegations, and some Democratic leaders later said they regretted their role in his ouster because he had not received a fair process, while many other figures stood by their calls for him to resign.

The response was more divided later that year when Kavanaugh faced accusations of sexual assault dating back to his high school years, which he passionately and at times tearfully denied. Republicans largely backed him, while Democrats lined up behind Ford.

A Quinnipiac University poll taken after Ford and Kavanaugh both testified in the Senate showed 86 percent of Democrats believed Ford’s allegations, while 84 percent of Republicans accepted Kavanaugh’s denials.

There was also a gender gap, with women more likely than men to believe Ford, by 55 to 40 percent. Younger voters were more accepting of her account as well, with 57 percent of those under 35 saying they believed her. Ultimately Kavanaugh was confirmed by the Senate in a 50-48 vote almost entirely along party lines.
Now the Biden episode appears to be opening a new phase of the #MeToo movement. Women’s rights activists passionately want to unseat Trump, who has repeatedly spoken of women in vulgar terms, disparaged their looks and been accused of assault by more than a dozen women.

Trump has denied the assault allegations, sometimes by denigrating the accusers; after writer E. Jean Carroll accused him of attacking her in a clothing store dressing room, Trump fired back that “she’s not my type.” After The Post obtained a 2005 video of Trump boasting that “when you’re a star” women let do anything including “grab them by the p---y,” Trump apologized, but also dismissed it as locker room talk.

Complicating the already fraught issue, a number of sensational claims of sexual assault have been discredited in recent years.
In 2015, Rolling Stone retracted an article that vividly described an alleged gang rape at a University of Virginia fraternity house. Nearly a decade earlier, in 2006, three Duke University lacrosse players were wrongly accused of raping a stripper, another case that attracted national attention.
The current tempest comes at a striking moment in the history of women in politics.

Many women reacted to Trump’s ascent with a surge of impassioned activism, leading the “Resistance” movement and electing dozens of female Democrats to the House in 2018. A protest march in Washington the day after Trump’s inauguration attracted thousands of women from across the country wearing pink hats.

Biden himself has just emerged from a Democratic presidential primary field that included several prominent women for the first time, including four U.S. senators. In part to address the disappointment among activists that none of them prevailed, Biden has promised to choose a female running mate and pledged to name the first black woman to the U.S. Supreme Court.

Biden has not been publicly accused of sexual assault in his long public career by anyone other than Reade, but he has faced complaints of insensitivity. His conduct of the confirmation hearings of Justice Clarence Thomas in 1991 was condemned by many liberals for his treatment of Anita Hill, and more recently some women have said he embraced or touched them in unwelcome ways. On policy, Biden is praised by women’s activists for championing the Violence Against Women Act, a cause he has cited several times in recent days, including at an event this week with Hillary Clinton.

None of the women on Biden’s short list to be his running mate has publicly voiced discomfort about the Reade allegation, including Sens. Amy Klobuchar (D-Minn.) and Kamala D. Harris (D-Calif.), whose pointed interrogations of Kavanaugh raised their profile and helped fuel their own presidential bids.

Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand (D-N.Y.), an outspoken supporter of the #MeToo movement and one of the strongest voices for ousting Franken, said this week that women need to be heard in these situations and backed Biden saying, “Vice President Biden has vehemently denied these allegations, and I support Vice President Biden.”
On Thursday, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) sought to balance her support for #MeToo and Biden.

“I want to remove all doubt in anyone’s mind — I have great comfort level with the situation as I see it, with all the respect in the world for any woman who comes forward, with all the highest regard for Joe Biden,” Pelosi said at her weekly news conference.

Before Biden’s MSNBC appearance, The Post contacted all four members of “The Squad,” freshmen women in Congress who have bucked Democratic leadership on other issues and were outspoken in their condemnation of Kavanaugh. None responded or provided a comment.

Ana Navarro-Cárdenas, an anti-Trump Republican who is on the board of directors for Time’s Up, an organization to combat sexual harassment and assault, pointed to a balance sheet of sorts that compares Trump’s response to Biden’s. “Every accused, whether president of the United States or president of the Hair Club For Men, should be held accountable and expected to directly respond to the allegations with seriousness and transparency,” she said in an email. “Joe Biden did just that with his one and only accuser, though he should have done it sooner. Donald Trump has yet to do that with his dozens of accusers. Given what we know today, it’s Joe Biden by a mile, a for me.”

It is not the first time women’s activists have grappled with assault allegations against a politician whose agenda they embrace. In the early 1990s, numerous allegations emerged against then-Sen. Robert Packwood (R-Ore.), a champion of women’s rights, and some women’s groups later admitted they were slow to forcefully condemn his behavior.
Former president Bill Clinton also faced allegations of sexual harassment and assault, and some activists now concede they were insufficiently supportive of those women and too slow to condemn Clinton. The women involved include Monica Lewinsky, the White House intern who had an affair with Clinton, and others who accused him of sexual assault or harassment in his pre-presidential years.

Amid the varied responses to Reade’s allegations, a small number of #MeToo activists have sharply condemned Biden, including for his silence before the television interview.
“Answer your taxpayers, answer Tara Reade, stop speaking through your manager,” said Rose McGowan, an actress whose accusations helped bring down Hollywood mogul Harvey Weinstein. “You are a creep. You know it. We know it. I know it. Tara definitely knows it.”

But Tarana Burke, the activist who coined the term MeToo, offered a more typical response.
“The inconvenient truth is that this story is impacting us differently because it hits at the heart of one of the most important elections of our lifetime,” she said in a social media post. “And I hate to disappoint you but I don’t really have easy answers.”

Waiting to see if, this gets any traction like the Cavanaugh accusations did. Only when those same voices that condemned Cavanaugh speak up will we know it wasn't just political. I have my doubts we'll hear those voices and if we do, they won't be nearly as loud.

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« Reply #22 on: May 03, 2020, 08:19:52 AM »


WOW! Very well said!!!


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« Reply #23 on: May 05, 2020, 03:32:22 PM »

Well if Biden said He didn't do it then He didn't.

I mean, He's a Democrat and they never lie.   Lips Sealed Lips Sealed Lips Sealed
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« Reply #24 on: May 05, 2020, 03:43:03 PM »

It's a tough call which sold out quicker recently..... Toilet paper, or the #MeToo movement...

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« Reply #25 on: May 05, 2020, 04:14:21 PM »

 
It's a tough call which sold out quicker recently..... Toilet paper, or the #MeToo movement...


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« Reply #26 on: May 06, 2020, 06:02:12 AM »

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« Reply #27 on: May 06, 2020, 06:42:05 AM »

It's a tough call which sold out quicker recently..... Toilet paper, or the #MeToo movement...



Actually, the "Me Too" thing cut off it's own nose to save face with that whole Al Franken thing.  They booted his ass for pretending to cop a feel, remember.  It was too soon after Kavanaugh for them not to do anything. 

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« Reply #28 on: May 06, 2020, 07:01:07 AM »

Al Franken resigned before Kavanaugh was even thought about being a Supreme Court Justice.
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« Reply #29 on: May 06, 2020, 07:21:03 AM »

Al Franken resigned before Kavanaugh was even thought about being a Supreme Court Justice.

Yes, harking back to that time the issue with Franken was at the time of the Roy Moore run in the Alabama Special election. Trump backed Moore at the time. The sex harassment charges were flowing like water and Franken was the Democrats sacrifice to the cause.
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« Reply #30 on: May 06, 2020, 12:15:14 PM »

Al Franken resigned before Kavanaugh was even thought about being a Supreme Court Justice.

Yes, harking back to that time the issue with Franken was at the time of the Roy Moore run in the Alabama Special election. Trump backed Moore at the time. The sex harassment charges were flowing like water and Franken was the Democrats sacrifice to the cause.


Which is exactly the gist of my post, I mixed up the accused sex offender du jour.  However, the previous poster feels the need to somehow inject himself into EVERY thread on the board, even he adds absolutely nothing positive to the conversation. 


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« Reply #31 on: May 06, 2020, 02:26:08 PM »

Well if it weren't for double standards, Democrats would have no standards at all  Evil
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« Reply #32 on: May 06, 2020, 02:41:32 PM »

Well if it weren't for double standards, Democrats would have no standards at all  Evil






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« Reply #33 on: May 06, 2020, 04:03:33 PM »

Well if it weren't for double standards, Democrats would have no standards at all  Evil

Well, those paying attention have noticed the hypocrisy of those who were so intent to prosecute Cavanaugh and yet have remained silent when the accused is Biden.   I'm not sure which is worse, a hypocrites or thieves.   Neither can be trusted.

It appears that whether or not a woman can/should be believed is totally dependent on who the accused is (or what side of the aisle they are on).

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« Reply #34 on: May 08, 2020, 12:27:40 PM »

However, the previous poster feels the need to somehow inject himself into EVERY thread on the board, even he adds absolutely nothing positive to the conversation.


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« Reply #35 on: May 08, 2020, 12:58:01 PM »

Al Franken resigned before Kavanaugh was even thought about being a Supreme Court Justice.

Yes, harking back to that time the issue with Franken was at the time of the Roy Moore run in the Alabama Special election. Trump backed Moore at the time. The sex harassment charges were flowing like water and Franken was the Democrats sacrifice to the cause.


Which is exactly the gist of my post, I mixed up the accused sex offender du jour.  However, the previous poster feels the need to somehow inject himself into EVERY thread on the board, even he adds absolutely nothing positive to the conversation. 




Not much positive to see on the Dem leadership side.   Just noting what is obvious and yet ignored by those who can vote in credible leadership if only they will.

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