Reopening Safely?

[Willow]

Over and over again we hear espoused that we must openly slowly to be safe.  What are we being safe from?  The purpose of the shutdowns was to avoid overwhelming the hospitals with COVID-19 patients.  Experience has shown us that only hospitals in a few concentrated areas were threatened with that problem.  Safe from dying?  Early on it was expressed that the purpose of the shutdown was to "flatten the curve".  No claim was made that it could or would ultimately reduce the number of COVID-19 deaths.

Why can't we just confess that the shutdown for the large majority of the country was unnecessary and simply remove it.  Being safe involves doing what we as individuals should be doing; washing of hands and keeping those hands away from noses and mouths.

Interestingly there have been some assessments that COVID-19 infections have occurred in a great percentage of people that were indeed following the social distancing and stay at home measures.  That raises a real question of whether the social and economic damaging mitigation measures even accomplished the flattening of the curve for which they were intended.

Are we just opening slowly to maintain the pretense that what we did and the damage that was done was really needed?  

I need a professional haircut.   

[Serk]

I need a professional haircut.   

Hop on a Valk and head down to The Republic. Barber shops legally opened as of today...

https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/watch-u-s-sen-ted-cruz-expected-to-get-his-hair-cut-at-dallas-salon-a-la-mode-friday/2366118/

[GiG]

Over and over again we hear espoused that we must openly slowly to be safe.  What are we being safe from?  The purpose of the shutdowns was to avoid overwhelming the hospitals with COVID-19 patients.  Experience has shown us that only hospitals in a few concentrated areas were threatened with that problem.  Safe from dying?  Early on it was expressed that the purpose of the shutdown was to "flatten the curve".  No claim was made that it could or would ultimately reduce the number of COVID-19 deaths.

Why can't we just confess that the shutdown for the large majority of the country was unnecessary and simply remove it.  Being safe involves doing what we as individuals should be doing; washing of hands and keeping those hands away from noses and mouths.

Interestingly there have been some assessments that COVID-19 infections have occurred in a great percentage of people that were indeed following the social distancing and stay at home measures.  That raises a real question of whether the social and economic damaging mitigation measures even accomplished the flattening of the curve for which they were intended.

Are we just opening slowly to maintain the pretense that what we did and the damage that was done was really needed?  

I need a professional haircut.  

Big-Hair Chick is bringing her tools to the Hillbilly HWY Ride in Marion, VA for just this reason!
(Professional BARBER for more than 30 years)  



The curve has successfully been flattened, as intended. I'd like to know what the hell is really going on...

[f6john]

I see it all as a power play and politicians who have a savior complex. Our dumbass Governor included in that assessment. How unsafe can it be to reopen our businesses when they never should have been closed. The crowds that I have seen regularly at all my normal shopping venues would indicate that we would all be dead by now if retail businesses were a problem.

[Valkorado]

Over and over again we hear espoused that we must openly slowly to be safe.  What are we being safe from?  The purpose of the shutdowns was to avoid overwhelming the hospitals with COVID-19 patients.  Experience has shown us that only hospitals in a few concentrated areas were threatened with that problem.  Safe from dying?  Early on it was expressed that the purpose of the shutdown was to "flatten the curve".  No claim was made that it could or would ultimately reduce the number of COVID-19 deaths.

Why can't we just confess that the shutdown for the large majority of the country was unnecessary and simply remove it.  Being safe involves doing what we as individuals should be doing; washing of hands and keeping those hands away from noses and mouths.

Interestingly there have been some assessments that COVID-19 infections have occurred in a great percentage of people that were indeed following the social distancing and stay at home measures.  That raises a real question of whether the social and economic damaging mitigation measures even accomplished the flattening of the curve for which they were intended.

Are we just opening slowly to maintain the pretense that what we did and the damage that was done was really needed?  

I need a professional haircut.  

Big-Hair Chick is bringing her tools to the Hillbilly HWY Ride in Marion, VA for just this reason!
(Professional BARBER for more than 30 years)  



The curve has successfully been flattened, as intended. I'd like to know what the hell is really going on...

I hope she gives him a mohawk!   

[Wizzard]

Oh and why does the market keep going up, especially with bad reports on employment like this morning. Something is not real. 

[Willow]

...
Big-Hair Chick is bringing her tools to the Hillbilly HWY Ride in Marion, VA for just this reason!
(Professional BARBER for more than 30 years)  
...

I hope she gives him a mohawk!   

LOL!  I'm a Choctaw.  A Mohawk haircut would be offensive.   

[Wizzard]

If you are living like you might die, you have already died,

[Jess from VA]

I need a professional haircut.

If you can live with a buzzcut (or say a quarter inch), just do your own.  The felon/boot look isn't that bad. And no shampoo, just soap.  

I have for 15 years.  Only the back is hard to get even.  I go outside so the mess is not inside.

And then you don't need another for 3-4 months.

https://www.walmart.com/ip/Wahl-Elite-Pro-Complete-High-Performance-Hair-Clippers-Haircut-Kit-Black-Chrome-21-pieces-Model-79602/40927983

[scooperhsd]

If you are living like you might die, you have already died,

Amen - I may have to bundle up and get some wind therapy this afternoon .

[scooperhsd]

There are counties in Kansas with more livestock than people , where they have had ZERO cases of COVID-19.

COunties that have the "hotspot inducing" factors (Wyandotte, Johnson, Sedgwick, SHawnee,  and counties that have prisons / meatpacking plants) do have some, but by and large I think the whole state could open up again without too bad of an increase in cases, as long as people kept up with the sanitation.

[Willow]

If you are living like you might die, you have already died,

         

[Valkorado]

If you are living like you might die, you have already died,

Amen - I may have to bundle up and get some wind therapy this afternoon .

Leaving shortly!

[cookiedough]

if you need a haircut, do it yourself with not much mess with this one, or very similar, I have had for decades.

http://www.remingtonproducts.com/products/mens/clippers-and-trimmers/hair-clippers/hkvac2000-18-piece-vacuum-haircut-kit.aspx

easy to setup to 3/4 inch cut for me and even did my wife's hair with the longest setting at 1 inch cut does very well.  Wife was impressed enough few weeks ago me doing it might do it all the time now.  Just think how much every 2 months in haircuts over 25 years at 12 bucks per haircut probably 2 grand in savings.

I have been cutting my own hair since age 18 have not step foot in a barber or haircut place since before then some 30+ years ago.  

Is really not that hard to do takes 10-15 minutes a lot less than driving somewhere to get it done.

as far as opening safely,  not sure when and if that will ever come to be.  Anyone can have this virus unknown to others.    If I was age 70 or older and/or had health issues where immune system weaker,  I would be scared to go in public too often since are more susceptible on getting it. 

One lady I saw on the news went against Governor of the state orders and opened her private haircut salon back up against their state laws to feed her kids since NO other income and she got arrested over it.  Not sure that should have happened I feel if people willing to take that chance and want a haircut and the lady wears gloves and disinfects and cleans up after each haircut keeping 6 feet apart, etc. and wears masks, etc.  and cleans utensils with soapy HOT water,  why not open up, it is her livelihood needs to make money to feed her kids.

[Bighead]

Cookie I havent paid for one in 30+ yrs but I shave my head. The wife on the other hand. NO WAY IN HELL WOULD SHE LET ME NOR WOULD I attempt it. 

[Valkorado]

I buzz my own hair, not that attached to the local barber's gossip.

Some good points Cookie.  I agree with the last paragraph fully.  It's her livelihood and her customers' choice.

Another nice ride today, but not normal.  Gunni has been getting overly crowded, and the last couple/few summers have been maddening for riding motorcycles.  Too many nutcases swarming the roads, illegal campers overrunning and trashing the backcountry, groovy new hairy California ganja people. Tourists azzholes to elbows in our grocery stores, buying so much product to stock their huge rental pantries that some stuff is hard to find -- on a normal summer.  It's not the town I grew up in, and it's almost too much.  I actually considered looking for greener pastures after the micronapping kid rear ended me last summer.

Now the traffic is comparatively a trickle.  I was really enjoying that in some favorite twisties today, keeping in mind that I've still been seeing plenty of troopers and county sheriffs out.  But the mighty Blue Mesa is closed.  I saw no fishermen.  No RV or tents.  No boats, sailboards, jet skis or gals partying and sunbathing on the beach.  Emptiness.

https://www.thebluemesa.com/

Town looks ghostly.  Restaurants are all closed to sit down guests -- carry out or delivery only.  No Main Street balcony dining, no smells of burgers, steaks, burritos and pizza temptingly wafting through the air.  No couples window shopping.  I'm sure the owners are hating it.

It's a different I don't like.  It's definitely stagnant.  It is what it is.  Never seen it like this in my 52 years here.  And it's not normal.  Neither is C19.

I'm ready to see things come back.  Except for the stinky hairy people (nothing against neutral smelling hairy people) and obnoxious tourists who shouldn't be issued drivers licenses under any circumstances.   It's not up to me.  I'm not wanting to rebel just yet, so I wait.

[cookiedough]

Cookie I havent paid for one in 30+ yrs but I shave my head. The wife on the other hand. NO WAY IN HELL WOULD SHE LET ME NOR WOULD I attempt it. 

just coax the misses in doing it make it a family fun event!   

does she have long hair or short?  If short hair that remington trimmer with vacuum catcher to catch 90% of the hair will work.  If long hair,  good luck snipping with scissors.....   

[Bret SD]

Over and over again we hear espoused that we must openly slowly to be safe.  What are we being safe from?  The purpose of the shutdowns was to avoid overwhelming the hospitals with COVID-19 patients.  Experience has shown us that only hospitals in a few concentrated areas were threatened with that problem.  Safe from dying?  Early on it was expressed that the purpose of the shutdown was to "flatten the curve".  No claim was made that it could or would ultimately reduce the number of COVID-19 deaths.

Why can't we just confess that the shutdown for the large majority of the country was unnecessary and simply remove it.  Being safe involves doing what we as individuals should be doing; washing of hands and keeping those hands away from noses and mouths.

Interestingly there have been some assessments that COVID-19 infections have occurred in a great percentage of people that were indeed following the social distancing and stay at home measures.  That raises a real question of whether the social and economic damaging mitigation measures even accomplished the flattening of the curve for which they were intended.

Are we just opening slowly to maintain the pretense that what we did and the damage that was done was really needed?  

I need a professional haircut.  

Willow, have you read of professor Ferguson in the UK? He was instrumental in modeling the 2.2 million death estimate brought to President Trump by Fauci and Birx.

Ferguson was recently busted breaking his own quarantine to boink a married lover, his work is unpublished and has been discredited.. recently some of the modeling code was released and subsequently studied by a former Google software engineer. The work is amateurish, laiden with problems and inconsistencies etc.. in short, it was garbage.

What we are witnessing now is a modern power grab led by the new blue tyrants in governor mansions.

It's a giant shell game I believe and will continue until peoples rage overcomes their comfort level. Businesses should open en masse and the overreach ignored on a massive scale. There is no stopping the virus, as we all know well.

The vaccine angle is just a power play and money grab..

Just my humble opinion

edit: Here's a link to the code review

https://lockdownsceptics.org/code-review-of-fergusons-model/

[Willow]

I regret adding the closing humorous line.  I didn't say I need a haircut.  I said I need a professional haircut.

I have only one cutter who cuts my hair.  When they open up again she'll cut it once more.  My next door neighbor cuts his own hair.  It looks good on him.  I can't say the same for a lot of other males.  My hair is the longest it's been in over fifty years, maybe ever, but I'm still pretty.  I'm just taking this excuse to let it grow for awhile.   

Yes, I read some about the model coder.  I'm not terribly surprised.  I do expect we'll see a lot of deaths.  I just question whether the number of deaths saved(?) is worth the damage being done and the resulting deaths from the mitigation attempts.

I fully agree that if we could 100% manage to convert to a society with exactly no personal contact then we could beat this virus.  We can't.  Every halfway attempt we make that is less than 100% results in damage but with little or no impact on the ultimate result.  It's sort of like how I believe regarding firearms.  If we could remove 100% of firearms from the society we would eliminate firearm mortalities.  We can't.   Every halfway measure taken to attempt control just makes things worse.

Wash your hands. 

[shortleg]

   With all that we all have had to put up with I have
been able to find another way to get even closer to my
sweetheart. She looked at me one day and said You need a hair cut.
  Well she did give me a hair cut and I have to tell you those few moments
it took her to cut what little hair I have ,were truly loving and maybe
 even sexy.
  Mind you now you have to have one of those relationships.

[Valkorado]

Yes, I read some about the model coder.  I'm not terribly surprised.  I do expect we'll see a lot of deaths.  I just question whether the number of deaths saved(?) is worth the damage being done and the resulting deaths from the mitigation attempts.

Who knows?  Probably not.  I'm just tickled pink you're in agreeance that this novel sh!t virus ain't the seasonal flu!   

[Jess from VA]

Cookie I havent paid for one in 30+ yrs but I shave my head. The wife on the other hand. NO WAY IN HELL WOULD SHE LET ME NOR WOULD I attempt it.  

I (used to) cut my wife's hair, every couple months.  Straight blond hair to about 5" from her waist, with bangs to mid forehead.

After exiting her shower, I would comb it down straight, and cut a perfect level line across the back with scissors, taking about an inch and a half.  Then move to the front, and do the bangs.

Took a couple three minutes.  (much easier than cutting my own hair)

No, there are no pictures.  



 

[Rams]

as far as opening safely,  not sure when and if that will ever come to be.  Anyone can have this virus unknown to others.    If I was age 70 or older and/or had health issues where immune system weaker,  I would be scared to go in public too often since are more susceptible on getting it.  

SNIP

 why not open up, it is her livelihood needs to make money to feed her kids.

Those of us who may be at greater risk definitely need to pay attention and follow the established guidelines to avoid COVID 19.   Eventually, most of us will contract the virus anyway.  We simply don't want to overwhelm our medical care system.   That only makes good common sense.   The same things "we" should be doing if it was a Flu Pandemic.   It doesn't take a "Rocket Surgeon"    to know and understand such cautionary procedures.

Having said that, this economy needs to be opened up and put back into motion as soon as possible.   There are Governors who want to continue with a lock down.   I suspect those Governors will pay a price at the polls during the next election.  

The federal government is also at fault for this continuing slowed economy.   There are huge numbers of people who are now making more income while on "Un-Employment" than they did while working.   Where's the incentive to get back to work?   My understanding is that there is currently a bill being promoted to provide the "Now Un-Employed" with a "FREE" $2K a month until the Pandemic is contained.   First, there is no such thing as "FREE MONEY".   Secondly, give me $2K a month and you have just eliminated any incentive I have to get back to work.   Along with that, many employers took advantage of the government's Free Payroll money to keep people on their payrolls and if they did so, would not have to pay that money back.   When that doesn't happen, those employers will then be at huge risk of going under.

Please explain to me why the average employee would want to return to work if they were getting $2K a month.   My opinion on this is, I can't afford to keep buying votes.   Let's put this country back to work NOW.   Those of us in the high risk group know what we need to do.   I'm not suggesting it'll be fun but, returning this country to a working economy is more important than myself or you if we're so silly as to put ourselves into risky situations.    We do that every time we hit the started switch.   That is a decision we as Americans and humans with free will have to make.

Rams

[Jersey mike]

Over and over again we hear espoused that we must openly slowly to be safe.  What are we being safe from?  The purpose of the shutdowns was to avoid overwhelming the hospitals with COVID-19 patients.  Experience has shown us that only hospitals in a few concentrated areas were threatened with that problem.  Safe from dying?  Early on it was expressed that the purpose of the shutdown was to "flatten the curve".  No claim was made that it could or would ultimately reduce the number of COVID-19 deaths.

Why can't we just confess that the shutdown for the large majority of the country was unnecessary and simply remove it.  Being safe involves doing what we as individuals should be doing; washing of hands and keeping those hands away from noses and mouths.

Interestingly there have been some assessments that COVID-19 infections have occurred in a great percentage of people that were indeed following the social distancing and stay at home measures.  That raises a real question of whether the social and economic damaging mitigation measures even accomplished the flattening of the curve for which they were intended.

Are we just opening slowly to maintain the pretense that what we did and the damage that was done was really needed?  

I need a professional haircut.   

The amounts of food, produce, dairy and meats that are being wasted is a crying shame. Ranchers not sure what to with cattle intended for the slaughter house. Some farmers turning under their crops.  Supermarkets now limiting how much meat can be purchased if any is available in your area. Things have gotten out of hand and it’s going into the surreal.

[Patrick]

BOINK !

I can't stop laughing. I haven't heard that in sooooo long.

[Robert]

Paid my hair dresser to come to my business and cut my hair, so no problems there. They need the work and money just like anyone else.

I love the actresses and actors say that they are roughing it not getting their hair done, yea sure, like they couldn't have someone come to their place also.

I also agree with Willow about maintaining the pretense, its a false one for sure, just like the response based on false numbers or false time line.

How do you know if you are at a greater risk of this particular illness if there is no track record? The seasonal flu seems to be equally contagious so what precautions do you take for that.

Just as a reminder 911 introduced the Patriot act that suspended our liberties and gave government greater authority and control. The true concrete result is bigger government, less liberty, a host of new laws and no additional safety.

While some of the front line nurses and doctors have gotten Covid 19 I would say more have not and they are on the front lines. That should say something about distancing and the validity of the solutions proposed.

As Carl has so many times said in other posts the purpose of this was to lower the curve, so we did not run out of hospital space and ventilators.

But it was not to make it a permanent solution, use it as an excuse to take away rights, nor as a model to deal with illness, or even to comfort the people.

It was a emergency step taken, just like the glut of ventilators we now have given the knee jerk reaction to Covid 19. Most all reactions were knee jerk and not planned since we didn't know the course of this and were given false numbers.

It was not a planned response, it was an emergency response.

People are panicky and stupid and cannot adjust to changes without fear, that is the use for this illness now, fear, enough fear to put into effect laws, changes to take away rights and bring in social change.

[semo97]

I have a lot of family ranching and farming, they are not plowing in the crops or pouring milk out or killing there fat cattle. That is just a bunch of BS. Maybe several did but not the true farmer or rancher. They just are looking for sympathy and the reporters just eat it up to make a story. The real agriculture  people just think out of the box and do not waste there lively hood on pouring it out or plowing it under. My son has 3 pot loads of steers ready for the packer but will have to wait until June. He put them on a maintaining ration.  There is one exception a corporation owner and investors that have never done any kind of ag work will do something like that for the money from the tax payers showing a big loss. Your crops and your cows are what you live for but many just think it is all expendable. On this virus thing there seems to be many opinions now. Isn't hind sight 20/20 lots of arm chair quarterbacks out there now. We shall see if the cases increase in Texas in a week or two after reopening this past week.

[Rams]

the reporters just eat it up to make a story. 

True in just about all aspects of life.   It's all about getting that headline.   

Rams

[carolinarider09]

The problem with counting the number of cases and using that as a predictor of an outcome based on "actions taken" is that there is no "basis".

By no "basis" i mean there is no historical information to compare your new information to.

Increased testing will turn up more cases by definition.  Fact!   But that does not mean or should not imply that current human activities have increased the number of positives. 

We just don't have baseline.

But my prediction is that, as testing increases (number of COVID19 tests administered to the general population), the expected number of positive results will be used to say "we unlocked the economy to early". 

What I predict you will not see is a curve showing the number of positive cases verses the number of deaths directly caused by COVID19 over time.

I did find this table though.  Its data as of May 2, 2020

https://www.vox.com/2020/3/26/21193848/coronavirus-us-cases-deaths-tests-by-state

[Bret SD]

Here in San Diego the local pols are suing Governor Newsom over the new re-opening guidelines.. we have many businesses going under each day, the trajectory is slated to be slow with onerous regulation.
I'm not sure of the details but I've heard something to the effect that we'll remain in martial lawckdown until there's no new CV fatality in the area... Now..  given the fact COD's having little to do with covid are listed as deaths from the virus.. it doesn't take a genius to figure out this is a sick and twisted power and control mechanism.

I fear until people are literally descending on Sacramento in huge numbers with pitchforks in hand the madness will continue. Personally I do not fear the virus any more than a common flu, the mortality rate keeps dropping as we learn how widespread this thing was in Dec and possibly earlier.

Comparing states and countries who practiced limited mitigation to other major lockdown areas, the results are too close to justify any further lockdown measures.

This is the biggest scam in world history it seems..
  

[Valkorado]

I fear until people are literally descending on Sacramento in huge numbers with pitchforks in hand the madness will continue.
  

Nice thought, but it could be hard to stick that cursed virus with a pitchfork!  Our President says this enemy is invisible.

Maybe just target all the crazy people who have the gall to wear masks.  Then only the strong and brave of heart will remain.

[0leman]

I had read the discussion by Sue on the Code that was written for the Virus death projections before.  It sounds about right.  Write a program with many variables, then run it 20 times and average the results to get your projection.   Sounds a lot like the models used by Climate Change folks.      I did write some programs in my days of working and used C++,  It is nothing like what this program does, in this case what it really doesn't do.   I could run the program I was working on to see if the results really did what it was suppose to do.  In this Virus projection program there are too many variables to make a good projection.  I really think this guy knew this and wanted the fame. 

Our state has it's population centers in several counties that are manly on the west side by the coast with greatly lower population in the other counties.   The counties have had a lot less Virus cases and in one county, Lake County, to the east of my county there have been no case of the Virus.  Yeah that county has the highest percent of tested folks pre 100k.  Why should those folks be in lockdown mode?   Really sucks when the Governor only thinks of her big cities she lives in. 

[Jersey mike]

I have a lot of family ranching and farming, they are not plowing in the crops or pouring milk out or killing there fat cattle. That is just a bunch of BS. Maybe several did but not the true farmer or rancher. They just are looking for sympathy and the reporters just eat it up to make a story. The real agriculture  people just think out of the box and do not waste there lively hood on pouring it out or plowing it under. My son has 3 pot loads of steers ready for the packer but will have to wait until June. He put them on a maintaining ration.  There is one exception a corporation owner and investors that have never done any kind of ag work will do something like that for the money from the tax payers showing a big loss. Your crops and your cows are what you live for but many just think it is all expendable. On this virus thing there seems to be many opinions now. Isn't hind sight 20/20 lots of arm chair quarterbacks out there now. We shall see if the cases increase in Texas in a week or two after reopening this past week.

Hey semo thanks for the response. It sounds like your family is doing ok a far as business goes and that’s a good thing. From what you say regarding a real farmer or rancher will find a way to get by but from the reports I’ve read and some video footage I’ve watched it’s seems as though there’s some real issues for maybe the larger companies. I don’t know how big your family businesses are.

If you have time a quick internet search will show what I’m talking about with milk dumping and crops plowed under. Not too much regarding livestock.

Be well, stay safe. Wish ya continued good luck with work.

[Bret SD]

I fear until people are literally descending on Sacramento in huge numbers with pitchforks in hand the madness will continue.
  

Nice thought, but it could be hard to stick that cursed virus with a pitchfork!  Our President says this enemy is invisible.

Maybe just target all the crazy people who have the gall to wear masks.  Then only the strong and brave of heart will remain.

Zombies are everywhere here, driving with mask and gloves on, walking outside, running or biking outside with a mask..

It's like the Twilight Zone

[cookiedough]

My aunts husband is a big pig farmer has 1000's of pigs to be sent off to slaughter months ago.  So, I guess he keeps feeding and feeding them to the point they are HUGE and maybe too HUGE to be slaughtered not wanting them after the processing plants re-open, but when and how long staying closed?  What is he to do?  No real good answer? 

I really do think we need to re-open sooner rather than later as some say end of May, but is only 3 weeks away right?   Then again,  if we re-open in 1 week will the curve spike and death toll rise greatly?  NO ONE has a crystal ball wish we did. 

Take this as an example of what happened in yuppie Madison WI few weeks ago:  some 1500 (what I call insane people) held a rally NO permits at the WI state capital in Madison WI nearby me protesting the stay at home ban and recently 79 (maybe even more by now) of those 1500 soon afterwards tested positive for this virus.    Most protestors were not wearing masks nor social distancing up close with each other like that was a smart thing to do?       We each make our own personal choices and should be up to each individual to judge risk vs. reward. 

I know some in our work area are terrified while some like me not that concerned.  My kid age 21 works in daycare now and she does NOT want to get this virus spreading it to youngsters under age 5 cannot afford to get sick,  so she is somewhat overly protected in isolation while my age 19 year old just took a job at Aldi's to get extra 2.00 per hour pandemic pay with near full time status already few weeks he has been there and liking the money not concerned at all about getting Chinese cooties in close contact with public daily.  My wife is overly cautious while I am not.  To each their own I guess?

NEVER going to please us all that is for sure no matter what each state govt. does.  What I do know is a lot of businesses, both my wife and my employers included,  will be UGLY come end of May for her and June 8th re-opening fully for me.  crap has already hit the fan where I work and told upper mgmt. lady on Friday if something is NOT done leaving as status quo now,  we will be 25+ million behind come June 8th vs. now 10 million.    All she said is the Prez and directors will not allow that to happen.  Will see what happens next week or two?   I wish I was fully retired NOW!   

[Valkorado]

To each their own I guess?

I'd like to think so.

A good and thoughul post Cookie.   

[shadowsoftime]

On news today Oklahoma, 4600 plus positive, 3200 plus recovered, 274 deaths,
Open the Country up or shut down every flu season, this is BS.
Let it run coarse, if I die from it, so be it and same for anybody.
More likely to die from flu. JMO.

[cookiedough]

One biker bar opened up early against governors orders to stay closed for a little while longer the curve has to go down for like 14 days to reopen all and not there yet.  I guess the law is seeing what they will do to the owner?     News said they ran out of food it was so packed in there.   I say open up and go in if you risk getting the virus,  should be up to the individual to go or not, right?  Does not affect me one way or another since do not go out to eat much at all.

[Robert]

The tests have been giving false positives, what if the people at the rallies are tested and come up positive and the tests are not reliable or have other factors that will give them positives, like you have had flu shots. That would make the people in the rally, OK.

But what if the media does not care and says bad people for holding a rally and see what you got.

That could be all the justification needed for the goverments to close down every event, buisness or social gathering.

It could also be justification for the media to scare the hell out of people.

All on false positives.

Just like the predictions of how many dead there would be in January.

There are very few hardline facts to go on so all is done with fear, speculation, hype and controls.

Why did those in homes self quarenine still have high infection rates, maybe its not the illness but the tests.

[Bret SD]

I had read the discussion by Sue on the Code that was written for the Virus death projections before.  It sounds about right.  Write a program with many variables, then run it 20 times and average the results to get your projection.   Sounds a lot like the models used by Climate Change folks.      I did write some programs in my days of working and used C++,  It is nothing like what this program does, in this case what it really doesn't do.   I could run the program I was working on to see if the results really did what it was suppose to do.  In this Virus projection program there are too many variables to make a good projection.  I really think this guy knew this and wanted the fame. 

Our state has it's population centers in several counties that are manly on the west side by the coast with greatly lower population in the other counties.   The counties have had a lot less Virus cases and in one county, Lake County, to the east of my county there have been no case of the Virus.  Yeah that county has the highest percent of tested folks pre 100k.  Why should those folks be in lockdown mode?   Really sucks when the Governor only thinks of her big cities she lives in. 

The main problem is there are no reliable tests, which means no reliable denominator to model anything.. and yet here we are..

They're making it up as they go along, trying to prolong this thing and usher in cheat by mail voting.