Charges against Minneapolis police officer

[Oss]

Do you really think the officer woke up saying to himself
"I think I will kill someone today, and not just anyone but this one person"

If not stop harping on 1st degree  It is counterproductive to a conviction which is what is
needed to stop rioting down the line   He will likely never see a sunset or sunrise again once convicted

And this does not mean I condone the heinous act nor does it mean I would not think any person who throws a rock thru a window, enters someones store and loots or sets fire does not deserve
whatever happens to him or her, because I do

Looters are worse than zombies, they had a choice, they chose unwisely

[Bighead]

Yeah it can be changed. No more posts from me on this topic as I stated in my first post I think the  LEO was wrong. But as the initial report says he was not exphixiated. But that wont matter in the end the public outrage will sway the court’s decision 100%.

[shadowsoftime]

Do you really think the officer woke up saying to himself
"I think I will kill someone today, and not just anyone but this one person"

If not stop harping on 1st degree  It is counterproductive to a conviction which is what is
needed to stop rioting down the line   He will likely never see a sunset or sunrise again once convicted

And this does not mean I condone the heinous act nor does it mean I would not think any person who throws a rock thru a window, enters someones store and loots or sets fire does not deserve
whatever happens to him or her, because I do

Looters are worse than zombies, they had a choice, they chose unwisely

No, I  don't think that but with 3 cops on a non struggling man and saying I CANNOT BREATH the damn knee should have been removed,  he would be ALIVE,  9 ------- minutes, they could have stood him up, arrested him, they had total control.

[shadowsoftime]

The knee crap should be outlawed.
I'm out of here.

[Ramie]

Dude, I get it, you want what by all appearances is a dirty cop to pay, and pay dearly.

But the reality of our justice system is it takes ONE out of 12 jurors to disagree with a 1st degree murder charge and he walks scot free.....

But there's a FAR greater chance of all 12 jurors agreeing to a 3rd degree murder charge, and he at least sees the inside of a jail for a while.....

Dude, I think worth a chance and if by chance gets off then the FED'S can charge him.

The problem with that scenario is that if he was charged with 1st and not convicted the riots and violence would be even worse.

[Jess from VA]

You guys should all enroll in law school.  

I'm just kidding, it's really expensive and a huge PITA.

The problem with a first degree murder charge is not proving the factual causation of death, it is proving a specific intent to kill (beyond any reasonable doubt).

The knee did not asphyxiate him or break his neck.  But it is very likely that a pathologist will testify that his treatment by the arresting officers caused or significantly contributed to his death.  The defense would then go into great detail regarding his documented preexisting conditions.  And the jury will decide, unless a plea agreement is reached.

The charge as brought appears to meet the facts presented.  And carries a 20 year sentence.

Minnesota abolished the death penalty in 1911.  

 

[f6john]

One thing we must remember, even though the video is damming, in our justice system you are innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Imperfect as it is, I know of no better system.

[Jersey mike]

2 new videos.

This one is a part of a news report, but has cell video of arrest from a different point of view.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWzkgKPZWcw

This one is from an officers body camera but not involved in anyway and ambulance is already on scene in the background. This is also,heavily redacted.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UyUtGpSe_hQ

[Jersey mike]

Do you really think the officer woke up saying to himself
"I think I will kill someone today, and not just anyone but this one person"

If not stop harping on 1st degree  It is counterproductive to a conviction which is what is
needed to stop rioting down the line   He will likely never see a sunset or sunrise again once convicted

And this does not mean I condone the heinous act nor does it mean I would not think any person who throws a rock thru a window, enters someones store and loots or sets fire does not deserve
whatever happens to him or her, because I do

Looters are worse than zombies, they had a choice, they chose unwisely

No, I  don't think that but with 3 cops on a non struggling man and saying I CANNOT BREATH the damn knee should have been removed,  he would be ALIVE,  9 ------- minutes, they could have stood him up, arrested him, they had total control.

I agree 100% with what you said there. 3 cops, 1 suspect. It’s not too difficult once he’s in cuffs.

The issue is Floyd claimed to be claustrophobic and did not want to get into the patrol car...yet he drove there, in a minivan. They were trying to get him into the backseat of an SUV.

As I mentioned previously, cops are trained that a suspect will say anything possible to try and delay or gain sympathy when arrested, so they become desensitized to what is true and what is BS.

This guy Floyd looks like he's 6’3” and weighs in around 240 or so, he’s a big man. I can see why the use of 3 officers to keep him subdued if he was giving an issue whether in cuffs or not, but lying prone on the street, knee in neck, officer holding feet and another with pressure on his back is an accident waiting to happen, and it did.

In the original video, a bystander can be heard saying his nose is bleeding, to me that may be a sign of something serious has already begun with his health which went overlooked.

There is no reason once he was on the ground they couldn’t have sat his butt on the ground until they got transport squared away.

IMO this was a power move to show who’s in charge.

[Jersey mike]

One thing we must remember, even though the video is damming, in our justice system you are innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Imperfect as it is, I know of no better system.

100%... Innocent until proven guilty. Each person here is allotted the exact same presumption and would argue for it if they were accused of a crime, even this crime. But the video here is so damning, it’s hard not to jump to a conclusion.

[shortleg]

   The part of this whole thing that disgust me is the fact that the officer
stood there with his hands in his pockets as he dose this every day.
  I am not saying he dose. It is the absolute not caring about another human.
   I cant think of any LEOs that I know doing something like this.
 This person needs to serve time, but how much is up to the legal system.
   Now about him getting a truly fair trial I don't know about that.
 Where can they find that many people that have not formed an opinion.
   This is truly going to be tough for everyone.
 

[The emperor has no clothes]

   The part of this whole thing that disgust me is the fact that the officer
stood there with his hands in his pockets as he dose this every day.
 
 

It also bothers me that not one of the other 3 ever stepped in or spoke up to stop this.

[Robert]

All of this for a counterfeit 20.00 dollar bill.

But the good news


Rioters Kick In The Doors & Windows Of CNN’s Atlanta Headquarters, Under Attack

[Rams]

The evidence (video) I've seen does appear to very condemning.   Haven't seen all evidence so, I refuse to convict at this point.

Reference the protests going on.   It's every American's right to peaceful protesting.
Reference the rioting and looting, some folks will use any excuse to cause damage and steal.
It's all "Free" stuff right?

Rams

[Chrisj CMA]

The charge should probably be first degree murder for all three cops involved. It did appear there was intentionality to hurt George Floyd. But the evidence must truly support the charge. Hopefully it will be a thorough investigation.

[Rams]

The charge should probably be first degree murder for all three cops involved. It did appear there was intentionality to hurt George Floyd. But the evidence must truly support the charge. Hopefully it will be a thorough investigation.

Are we to assume you believe this was premeditated?   

Rams

[Chrisj CMA]

The charge should probably be first degree murder for all three cops involved. It did appear there was intentionality to hurt George Floyd. But the evidence must truly support the charge. Hopefully it will be a thorough investigation.

Are we to assume you believe this was premeditated?   

Rams

Yes I think it could have been.

[0leman]

I do have a question,  there are two videos showing Floyd.  One is when he as was initially handcuff and sat on the sidewalk.  Then the other is one where he is lying on the ground with a knee on his head/neck.  What happened in-between these two videos? 

[The emperor has no clothes]

I do have a question,  there are two videos showing Floyd.  One is when he as was initially handcuff and sat on the sidewalk.  Then the other is one where he is lying on the ground with a knee on his head/neck.  What happened in-between these two videos? 

That will shine some light on it. We need to see the 3 cops cameras. But I would say even if he did resist, 4 cops should have been able to handle a handcuffed suspect.

[Serk]

I do have a question,  there are two videos showing Floyd.  One is when he as was initially handcuff and sat on the sidewalk.  Then the other is one where he is lying on the ground with a knee on his head/neck.  What happened in-between these two videos? 

That will shine some light on it. We need to see the 3 cops cameras. But I would say even if he did resist, 4 cops should have been able to handle a handcuffed suspect.

He was handcuffed while he was pinned down.

[old2soon]

         One of the nights I stood Shore Patrol in the P I we got a call to a bar in the area of color. Big young tall Boiler Tender striker and he was HIGH on something. We got him cuffed and rolled back to base as the wagon was full. Others inside helped us unload and start processing drunk and high bodies. The first ones in were first processed. As we were processing #3 or #4 the large tall man of color stood up shouted I am tired of this chit and broke his Smith and Wesson stainless steel hand cuffs and pandemonium broke loose fer bout 2 minutes. Try gettin some one who don't wanna be in a straight jacket installed in one. I had an ankle and had my hands full. At one time 8 of us-5 full time S P and 3 S P helpers had gotten hold of this guy. And i was Way younger and in Way better shape then.
         Unless it's on the yet unseen video i did NOT see any thing even CLOSE to what i described above. I stated earlier I saw a man cuffed and somewhat docile Before I saw the knee shot. I also have ZERO idea of any words exchanged. Part of my short S P course was to NOT let curse words or threats sway me from the job at hand. RIDE SAFE.

[cookiedough]

it is obvious to anyone who saw the video was murder of some degree and should be in jail for several years.  NO reason to hold a knee to the neck that long especially lying on the ground with handcuffs on.    At least the mayor of the city agreed was murder no doubt in his mind and wants him arrested pressing charges. 

Heck,  even if I was there and 4 officers around,  I would have probably as a bystander pushed that officer who had the knee to his neck off of him 5-6 minutes prior to him not breathing.    I think the other 3 officers just standing there doing nothing but looking stupid should get jail time as well but not nearly as long say 1 year or less.    I might have gotten jail time out of pushing an officer, but at least saved a life, right?   AT least all 4 officers lost their jobs over this and probably will never be a police officer ever again, maybe?  Is sad though that peaceful protests cannot go on and the 1%er's are destroying buildings/vehicles, etc.  even in a city like Minneapolis.

When in high school a very unpopular kid in our class was being beat up badly by 3 of the other kids my age me walking by seeing it.  I broke it up ASAP after seeing the bullies pounding that kid to a pulp bloody nose, crying horribly, etc.   Who knows, I might have saved his life that day?  I never started a fight in my life, but ended lots of them.  The 3 kids who I knew of course in my small town of 1000 people (about 30 kids per class) did not want to attempt to take on just me alone knowing they better get another 3 more.        Pays to be the biggest, strongest kid in our dinky school.      Heck, I was taking on seniors me in 8th grade at the time,  not taking any crap from my older brother's classmates 4 years older than me at the time either.   Only time I got injured fracturing my ankle severely in a cast for over 1 month was me in 6-7th grade playing tackle football with junior and seniors in high school one day they had to gang tackle me to get me down.    Kids in my same class growing up playing football (me the biggest) I remember carrying them several yards 3-4 of them on me still walking until they got smart and tripped up my legs/feet falling down eventually.

[shadowsoftime]

it is obvious to anyone who saw the video was murder of some degree and should be in jail for several years.  NO reason to hold a knee to the neck that long especially lying on the ground with handcuffs on.    At least the mayor of the city agreed was murder no doubt in his mind and wants him arrested pressing charges.  

Heck,  even if I was there and 4 officers around,  I would have probably as a bystander pushed that officer who had the knee to his neck off of him 5-6 minutes prior to him not breathing.    I think the other 3 officers just standing there doing nothing but looking stupid should get jail time as well but not nearly as long say 1 year or less.    I might have gotten jail time out of pushing an officer, but at least saved a life, right?   AT least all 4 officers lost their jobs over this and probably will never be a police officer ever again, maybe?  Is sad though that peaceful protests cannot go on and the 1%er's are destroying buildings/vehicles, etc.  even in a city like Minneapolis.

When in high school a very unpopular kid in our class was being beat up badly by 3 of the other kids my age me walking by seeing it.  I broke it up ASAP after seeing the bullies pounding that kid to a pulp bloody nose, crying horribly, etc.   Who knows, I might have saved his life that day?  I never started a fight in my life, but ended lots of them.  The 3 kids who I knew of course in my small town of 1000 people (about 30 kids per class) did not want to attempt to take on just me alone knowing they better get another 3 more.       Pays to be the biggest, strongest kid in our dinky school.     Heck, I was taking on seniors me in 8th grade at the time,  not taking any crap from my older brother's classmates 4 years older than me at the time either.   Only time I got injured fracturing my ankle severely in a cast for over 1 month was me in 6-7th grade playing tackle football with junior and seniors in high school one day they had to gang tackle me to get me down.    Kids in my same class growing up playing football (me the biggest) I remember carrying them several yards 3-4 of them on me still walking until they got smart and tripped up my legs/feet falling down eventually.

The cops would beat the crap out of you, you would be on ground with knee on neck, if you lived a swarm of charges filed, in jail awaiting trial, bankrupt and found guilty serving time.
   If Floyd still died you would have been blamed  and charged with his murder.
A no win situation.

   The best thing I can think of is if someone would have called an ambulance and called 911 and said cops are killing a man that is cuffed and on the ground.

[The emperor has no clothes]

I do have a question,  there are two videos showing Floyd.  One is when he as was initially handcuff and sat on the sidewalk.  Then the other is one where he is lying on the ground with a knee on his head/neck.  What happened in-between these two videos? 

That will shine some light on it. We need to see the 3 cops cameras. But I would say even if he did resist, 4 cops should have been able to handle a handcuffed suspect.

He was handcuffed while he was pinned down.

I didn't word it very well. What I meant was after they had him cuffed over on the sidewalk, 4 guys shouldn't have had too much problem getting him in the car.

[shadowsoftime]

I do have a question,  there are two videos showing Floyd.  One is when he as was initially handcuff and sat on the sidewalk.  Then the other is one where he is lying on the ground with a knee on his head/neck.  What happened in-between these two videos? 

That will shine some light on it. We need to see the 3 cops cameras. But I would say even if he did resist, 4 cops should have been able to handle a handcuffed suspect.

He was handcuffed while he was pinned down.

I didn't word it very well. What I meant was after they had him cuffed over on the sidewalk, 4 guys shouldn't have had too much problem getting him in the car.

Especially with these cops background.

[Patrick]

Its my understanding that this particular cop and George Floyd worked together at their part time jobs. And that George was a college professor.  And all this over a supposed counterfeit $20 bill !

[Valkorado]

Its my understanding that this particular cop and George Floyd worked together at their part time jobs. And that George was a college professor.  And all this over a supposed counterfeit $20 bill !

Heard that too. 

I'm guessing here, but I'd bet they had some issues stemming from this experience.  I think the phony $20 might have been the call, but when the cop realized it was an old work "buddy" he could settle a score with it went downhill fast.

[G-Man]

Same charges Filed against George's killer cop as Justine's killer cop 3 years later in the same city.

[Valkorado]

Same charges Filed against George's killer cop as Justine's killer cop 3 years later in the same city.

Good point.  I remember it well.

[cookiedough]

it is obvious to anyone who saw the video was murder of some degree and should be in jail for several years.  NO reason to hold a knee to the neck that long especially lying on the ground with handcuffs on.    At least the mayor of the city agreed was murder no doubt in his mind and wants him arrested pressing charges.  

Heck,  even if I was there and 4 officers around,  I would have probably as a bystander pushed that officer who had the knee to his neck off of him 5-6 minutes prior to him not breathing.    I think the other 3 officers just standing there doing nothing but looking stupid should get jail time as well but not nearly as long say 1 year or less.    I might have gotten jail time out of pushing an officer, but at least saved a life, right?   AT least all 4 officers lost their jobs over this and probably will never be a police officer ever again, maybe?  Is sad though that peaceful protests cannot go on and the 1%er's are destroying buildings/vehicles, etc.  even in a city like Minneapolis.

The cops would beat the crap out of you, you would be on ground with knee on neck, if you lived a swarm of charges filed, in jail awaiting trial, bankrupt and found guilty serving time.
   If Floyd still died you would have been blamed  and charged with his murder.
A no win situation.

   The best thing I can think of is if someone would have called an ambulance and called 911 and said cops are killing a man that is cuffed and on the ground.

I disagree,  a simple push off, nothing else,  of the cop with knee to the neck would not have been blamed for his death.  Might have saved his life instead.   What would you do if George was your best friend or family member and you just standing around for 8 minutes doing nothing but pleading with the bonehead police officers?   Others on video were doing that with words nothing else.      Why would I go bankrupt righting an obvious wrong?  Not like I would have retaliated on all 4 officers unless they started beating me to a pulp with their sticks. 

[Robert]

Heard something interesting George Floyd and Derek Chauvin, the former police officer charged with killing Floyd, worked security at the same local club for much of the year before their fatal encounter on a Minneapolis street last week. The owner of El Nuevo Rodeo said the two were in close proximity once a week for their Tuesday night shifts, though she did not know if they ever actually met while working at the club.

"We would wrap up at the end of the night and do a review," Santamaria said. They'd discuss the times Chauvin was called in to the club to remove a patron, or dealt with someone outside the club.

Maya Santamaria said she had been paying Chauvin, when he was off-duty, to sit in his squad car outside El Nuevo Rodeo for 17 years. She said Floyd worked as a security guard inside the club frequently in the last year. In particular, they both worked on Tuesday nights, when the club had a popular weekly dance competition. 

[Patrick]

New charges against dickhead Chauvin. 2nd, 3rd murder and manslaughter. Aiding and abetting against other 3.
All 4 being held on $1,000,000 bail.

[Moonshot_1]

Man, there really needs to be a proper and independent investigation into this. There is a record of them crossing each other's paths in a security job. They knew each other previously? Could this be not a case of racism but a personal grudge of some kind? If so, that could be the premeditation for an outright 1st degree charge. There are many questions here.

[Serk]

This information absolutely does NOT justify the cop kneeling on Mr. Floyd's neck for 8+ minutes, but some new information has come to light that could complicate the narrative we're being sold on:

Mr. Floyd had COVID-19. (Does this now officially count as another COVID-19 death?)
He also had fentanyl & Meth in his system, which could also have contributed to the heart attack that actually killed him, not to mention it could have made him behave abnormally in the first place.

https://kstp.com/news/george-floyd-autopsy-report-shows-george-floyd-died-from-cardiopulmonary-arrest-was-positive-for-covid-19/5750262/

[Jess from VA]

If this goes to a jury, they are going to get mighty confused;  KungFlu, fentanyl & Meth intoxication, preexisting coronary artery disease and hypertensive heart disease, conflicting reports about asphyxia, but plenty of stress and excitement, and heart attack.

Any reasonable doubt should be acquittal.  Acquittal means round two of rioting, burning and looting for entertainment and profit, and Antifa anarchists.  

The fun just never seems to stop anymore.

[Patrick]

If this goes to a jury, they are going to get mighty confused;  KungFlu, fentanyl & Meth intoxication, preexisting coronary artery disease and hypertensive heart disease, conflicting reports about asphyxia, but plenty of stress and excitement, and heart attack.

Any reasonable doubt should be acquittal.  Acquittal means round two of rioting, burning and looting for entertainment and profit, and Antifa anarchists.  

The fun just never seems to stop anymore.

yep.

[Ramie]

If this goes to a jury, they are going to get mighty confused;  KungFlu, fentanyl & Meth intoxication, preexisting coronary artery disease and hypertensive heart disease, conflicting reports about asphyxia, but plenty of stress and excitement, and heart attack.

Any reasonable doubt should be acquittal.  Acquittal means round two of rioting, burning and looting for entertainment and profit, and Antifa anarchists.  

The fun just never seems to stop anymore.

Add covid to the list.

[Serk]

Another interesting fact:

From the autopsy report (Available here: https://www.hennepin.us/-/media/hennepinus/residents/public-safety/documents/Autopsy_2020-3700_Floyd.pdf )

The concentration of Fentanyl in Mr. Floyd's blood was 11 ng/mL.

Per Wikipedia (Article here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fentanyl )

(μg/l == ng/mL)

Blood or plasma fentanyl concentrations are expected to be in a range of 0.3–3.0 μg/l in persons using the medication therapeutically, 1–10 μg/l in intoxicated people and 3–300 μg/l in victims of acute overdosage.

Mr. Floyd was in the overdose range of a drug that is one of the leading causes of overdose death in this nation at the time of his death.

NONE OF THIS MEANS THE COP IS INNOCENT!!!

Please don't get me wrong.

But with all of this info, a 2nd degree murder charge, unless there's some big info we don't know (I.E. They had a grudge from when they were co-workers) is a stretch too far.

(I've tried to find what the concentration of meth is that can lead to overdose but have been unsuccessful at finding this information in a format that a layman such as myself can understand. Mr. Floyd's blood concentration of meth at the time of his autopsy was 19 ng/mL .)

[Jess from VA]

It is common knowledge, that the more you use drugs, the more drugs you can take.

Thus, my walking around and talking .42 DUI client.

This plethora of physical findings for the man spells a good deal of reasonable doubt.  Conviction must be beyond any reasonable doubt.

I am not pulling for the policemen in this case, but I am (always) pulling for fair trials for everyone.

I am thinking letting all violent protesters walk free without bail is freeking lunacy.  

If this is good policy, why should any policeman go in harms way to arrest anyone?  Or why should any live perpetrators be taken into custody?

Antifa should be infiltrated, surveilled, tapped, and taken down just like the Klan.

Add covid to the list.           Covid = KungFlu (already on the list)

[Willow]

...
But with all of this info, a 2nd degree murder charge, unless there's some big info we don't know (I.E. They had a grudge from when they were co-workers) is a stretch too far.
...

They, the policemen, are going to get found not guilty regarding the murder charge.  Get ready for another wave of rioting.