Jim Mattis letter: "In union there is strength"

[Savago]

No one posted about it, so here goes a link:
https://www.npr.org/2020/06/04/869262728/read-the-full-statement-from-jim-mattis

Some quotes:
"When I joined the military, some 50 years ago, I swore an oath to support and defend the Constitution. Never did I dream that troops taking that same oath would be ordered under any circumstance to violate the Constitutional rights of their fellow citizens — much less to provide a bizarre photo op for the elected commander-in-chief, with military leadership standing alongside."

"Militarizing our response, as we witnessed in Washington, D.C., sets up a conflict — a false conflict — between the military and civilian society."

Apparently I'm not the only one (posted on June 2th, 'This is a brazen attack to the First Amendment by the same authorities that supposedly pledged to protect our Constitution.': http://www.valkyrieforum.com/bbs/index.php/topic,111593.0.html) that sees a violation of the First amendment and a horrible idea to use our military on our civilian population.

I would assume that Jim 'Mad-dog' Mattis knowns more about the military and probably the Constitution than the majority of the people here (myself included).

Any thoughts?

[Savago]

I guess is just a matter of time for Faux news to start the smear campaign against Mattis...
 

[Savago]

This part is also pretty good: "Only by adopting a new path — which means, in truth, returning to the original path of our founding ideals — will we again be a country admired and respected at home and abroad"

[Robert]

Pass out AK-47,AR15,UZI, Shotguns to citizens that have police dept that are told to stand down and authorize militia groups to patrol the streets for riots and I think all will be fine. The elected officials have not upheld their oath of office and I think its high time to get back to the Constitution and not call in the military but have armed citizens roam the street.

Screw the dems and elected officials since citizen patrols will do the job that is power in unity.

[..]

No one posted about it, so here goes a link:
https://www.npr.org/2020/06/04/869262728/read-the-full-statement-from-jim-mattis

Some quotes:
"When I joined the military, some 50 years ago, I swore an oath to support and defend the Constitution. Never did I dream that troops taking that same oath would be ordered under any circumstance to violate the Constitutional rights of their fellow citizens — much less to provide a bizarre photo op for the elected commander-in-chief, with military leadership standing alongside."

"Militarizing our response, as we witnessed in Washington, D.C., sets up a conflict — a false conflict — between the military and civilian society."

Apparently I'm not the only one (posted on June 2th, 'This is a brazen attack to the First Amendment by the same authorities that supposedly pledged to protect our Constitution.': http://www.valkyrieforum.com/bbs/index.php/topic,111593.0.html) that sees a violation of the First amendment and a horrible idea to use our military on our civilian population.

I would assume that Jim 'Mad-dog' Mattis knowns more about the military and probably the Constitution than the majority of the people here (myself included).

Any thoughts?

At what point would YOU suggest that the military is used to stop the destruction of private business AND homes across the USA?

Or do you think they should never be used???

[Willow]

I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; ...

"Foreign and domestic" 

I must be behind on the news.  I know there are places in which National Guard troops have been used to protect property and lives.  That's not so unusual.  National Guard is often used domestically. 

Resisting anarchy and the destruction of property is not a violation of the right to protest.  Incidentally, the first amendment states that people will be allowed to assemble.  It doesn't state that people will be allowed to dominate and abuse the streets.

[Savago]

At what point would YOU suggest that the military is used to stop the destruction of private business AND homes across the USA?
Or do you think they should never be used???

I believe that Mattis has answered: "At home, we should use our military only when requested to do so, on very rare occasions, by state governors."

@Britman: what are your thoughts on the use of the military force on peaceful protestors just for the sake of doing a photo op?

[Jess from VA]

There is a long history in this country of using National Guard (and on occasion the active services) to defend property and protect people.  The Army and Air National Guards of the various states, are entirely under state (governor) control and may be used by the States.  They only come under federal control when/if they are nationalized.

The Posse Comitatus Act (1878) limits the powers of the federal government in using federal military personnel to enforce domestic policies within the United States.  But it has exceptions, and exceptions have been used by the Federal G when States refused to follow or enforce federal laws.  And they have been used to assist in putting down riots.

Blue state and city leadership that allows cities (private and public property) to be destroyed by hamstringing or prohibiting their police from acting to quell riots should not receive one federal dollar to rebuild.  And if federal military assistance is necessary (especially if blue governors/mayors fiddle while their cities burn), it should be sent.  And then the costs of such assistance deducted from their share of federal dollars.

Military personnel are never needed for peaceful protest.  Although they may very well be conducting surveillance and intelligence operations. 

[Jersey mike]

No one posted about it, so here goes a link:
https://www.npr.org/2020/06/04/869262728/read-the-full-statement-from-jim-mattis

Some quotes:
"When I joined the military, some 50 years ago, I swore an oath to support and defend the Constitution. Never did I dream that troops taking that same oath would be ordered under any circumstance to violate the Constitutional rights of their fellow citizens — much less to provide a bizarre photo op for the elected commander-in-chief, with military leadership standing alongside."

"Militarizing our response, as we witnessed in Washington, D.C., sets up a conflict — a false conflict — between the military and civilian society."

Apparently I'm not the only one (posted on June 2th, 'This is a brazen attack to the First Amendment by the same authorities that supposedly pledged to protect our Constitution.': http://www.valkyrieforum.com/bbs/index.php/topic,111593.0.html) that sees a violation of the First amendment and a horrible idea to use our military on our civilian population.

I would assume that Jim 'Mad-dog' Mattis knowns more about the military and probably the Constitution than the majority of the people here (myself included).

Any thoughts?

Any thoughts? Yeah how much did he get paid for that? And by whom?

I must be missing something on how Pres. Trump has been doing things. I don’t see him trying to divide the people. He’s tried to make things better for everyone from prison reform issues to getting people to get jobs and work.

It was early in his term he had meetings in the White House with prominent black leaders on how to help with racial issues across the country.

The issue with Pres.Trump is he blunt and to the point, not too many people are actually familiar with that type of approach. IMO, for the most part he speaks the truth and as the saying goes, the truth hurts and people aren’t use to being spoken to in that fashion...direct and to the point, no pussyfooting around a topic. Say it, get it over with, discuss it, solve it and move on. Too many people have been coddled and spoken to in a soft voice they cannot handle blunt conversations.

There’s no division in Pres. Trump speeches. If he was more refined as a public speaker, there’d be no touching him. Everything that’s been thrown at him has rolled or slid right off, nothing sticks to him.

The use of the National Guard during riots and looting is what the guard is for. They are trained in such circumstances.

[Robert]

If any feel that the president is taking over and want to blame someone for the military, its not the president but the governors and mayors that triggered the possible use of the military.

Mattis is very short sighted not to see that a mayor or governor ordering police to stand down in a situation where life and limb is at risk is not worthy of the next level of enforcement. He is either short sighted or sold out to the very powers that allowed Antifa to run over this country. This is the very definition of Anarchy something the military is sworn to stop, both domestically and abroad.

  The president in his no nonsense style and knowing the corruption that the dem mayors and governors are capable of and wanting to protect his people, uphold his oath of office is not going to abdicate his duty to the American people like the state and city officials did.

The last time the Insurrection Act was used, was during the 1992 Los Angeles riots. Unlike the police then the police today actually had the ability to stop the riots and looting. But were told to stand down, an order which was criminal in nature and seen by the police  as a failure of duty, demoralizing them in the process.

I find it egregious and reprehensible that the suggestions of Trump using the military was out of bounds. I also find it just as reprehensible that many have skipped over personal safety of those that invested lives, money and time into a place and had to sit back and see it destroyed and no one answers why or is held accountable.

Trump knows the corruption and motives of the dems controlling these cities. In the simplest questions who would say its ok to destroy property of someone else to express an opinion. What if it was your family, your business, your home, they destroyed, would you still think Trump did wrong in upholding your rights in sending in the military when your local officials abdicated their duties? Essentially forcing the officials hand, taking away their power to destroy and calling them on their motives.

This is the real danger, men not believing their rights will be upheld take justice into their own hands like the civil war. This is what make third world countries every man for themselves mentality.

The riots were allowed on illegal grounds, false motives, abdication and dereliction of duty and we have someone worried about the military coming in and stopping the insanity, which boarders on a total chaos and loss of all societal norms and laws the US was built on. It is boarder line anarchy and to even question it expresses how far we have come from a peaceful society.

The OP in coming to a country that is built on laws, and yet wanting the safety of those laws and the good done by them does not understand what it takes to keep those laws, and vomits out emotional nonsense that would bring us into the very state he left his countries for. 

This is your quote,

My liberal friends think I'm crazy because I like guns. And my conservative friends think I'm communist because I oppose Trump.

Go figure.
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I reply to this and understand, Trump runs on a no nonsense ticket, wants law and order, wants things his way, and you dont agree dont trust him wont give up your safety for him and honestly dont understand. You like guns since they can in the US be used as personal defense, personal safety something you did not have in your country. So to me you want your country back but want it on your terms, with your family safe and cannot imagine what it would take to keep everyone's family safe or design a government to do that so the default is, me.

I understand perfectly, its a shame you read so much yet dont understand.

When a man surrenders himself and gives up everything to a governing authority you want to feel safe and secure in the knowledge that the people you elect will protect you fairly and its a level playing field.

Men are endowed by rights from God, not the government, it is the job of government to maintain those rights not dictate them and to keep the peace. Government servants, those in authority are given broad powers to do that. But are trusted to release those powers when things are stable again, ultimately they are given temporary authority by the people to use any means necessary to restore society to order.

Trump is only doing one thing, leveling a playing field today that was birthed in the corrupt, and the stealing of men's rights to make political statements and steal authority and power, JUST LIKE ALLOWING THE RIOTS, INSTEAD OF UPHOLDING THE LAW. 

Using a crisis to push ahead on a political agenda in a corrupt and dictatorial way is not the Trump agenda, since He an elected president is following the rule of law and using the authority given him by being president. NO, it is the lefts political agenda that is being pushed, in ordering a stand down, allowing violent demonstrations, orders contrary to laws and when life and limb is at risk. Why dont I hear anyone mention this similar to the OP.

The fact we are even thinking or talking about this as if the lack of judicial enforcement is somehow acceptable losses just like the loss of life, property, and millions in damage, and psychological damage done, to prove a point or position, is just how far we have come to anarchy.

Uphold the law, put situations into the courts, political arenas and let people answer, but peacefully, lawfully and if the local sheriff will not uphold the law then the governor, if not the governor then the president.

Keep law abiding citizens safe from political ideologies that sacrifice their lives and freedoms on alters of others psychotic and criminal wishes that are in the position of power.

I thank God that our country has many levels of safety nets and checks and balances otherwise we would have been lost many years ago, like so many other countries.
 
I know you dont like Trump but tell me who broke or ignored the laws of this country in the riots, and in enforcement or non enforcement we see today?

[Chrisj CMA]

No comment about the article other that the same two words Carl posted. Foreign AND Domestic. People with agendas posting fake news and believing it is not worth arguing about.

[f6john]

Opinions are like asholes, everybody has one. Mattis has his which he is entitled. He left the Whitehouse because he didn’t agree with the President, I suppose he still doesn’t, so what else is new?


And then there is this, another opinion.



Trump shared the letter from Dowd to Mattis late on Thursday, which stated:

Jim:

I slept on your statement and woke up appalled and upset. You lost me. Never dreamed you would let a bunch of hack politicians use your good name and reputation earned with the blood and guts of young Marines. You did what you said you would — engage in this discourse. Marines keep their word.

The phony protesters near Lafayette park were not peaceful and are not real. They are terrorists using idle hate filled students to burn and destroy. They were abusing and disrespecting the police when the police were preparing the area for the 1900 curfew. Jim, this is the new nihilism. See Dan Henniger in WSJ today. Marines support the police in harm’s way.

Did you forget that President Bush used active duty Marines to quell the riots in LA? President Trump has countless cities and some snowflake governors and mayors wetting themselves in the use of force to protect innocent lives and property. The AG of Massachusetts thinks burning property is good protest. Three more policeman were stabbed and shot in NYC last night.

Think about it. Should he be upset about the obvious failure of leadership? Where are you, Jim?

Marines go to the fight.

No one divided this country more than Obama. He abandoned our black brothers and sisters. He gave guns to cartels. He apologized for our precious sacrifice and generosity overseas. You remember, he fired you.

President Trump has done more to help our minority brothers and sisters in three years than anyone in the last fifty. Ask the black pastors. Ask the leaders of the black colleges and universities. He got them funded. Ask them about the prison reform which ended the draconian sentences imposed on young black men by the laws enacted by Biden and his hacks. You need to bone up on your homework and stop listening to Uncle Leon.

I understand, you had to stick to the assigned narrative which did not include three years of corrupt investigations and evidence to destroy this President, his office, and his lawful free election. Nancy has no tolerance for dissent in the ranks – including those with stars.

You said nothing of the ugly, hate filled, disgraceful comments of Pelosi, Schumer, Perez, and other Democrat hacks defaming the President and his office. You said nothing of the unlawful sanctuary cities and the unlawful release of hoodlums. You said nothing of the resistance movement to paralyze our courts and our government operations. You said nothing of the obstruction and subversion of our immigration laws. You said nothing of MS-13 killers and the drug cartels who own huge sections of our major cities. Jim, do you think that hateful rhetoric and those corrupt actions were inspiring and unifying? Do you think the DI’s at Parris Island would find such behavior as unifying?

Maybe, your problem, is a lot deeper. Perhaps you ought to explain how and why you (and John Allen) as CG Central Command, did not engage and take out Iranian Major General Soleimani who roamed the Middle East and wreaked havoc and death of our American boys with his infamous IEDs?

Why did it take President Trump to have the instincts and balls to take him out (of course over the objection of the geniuses in the Pentagon)?

Looks like the Persian mullahs were a one horse sleigh and Trump nailed the horse…forever. It has been quiet ever since. Perhaps, your anger is borne of embarrassment for your own failure as the leader of Central Command. Did you applaud when the President recognized the central problem in the Middle East? Did you applaud the President when he wanted to save American lives by bringing them home in one piece?

John M Dowd

[Robert]

https://twitter.com/i/status/1268941891241938950

Just for you

[RP#62]

I guess is just a matter of time for Faux news to start the smear campaign against Mattis...
 

I haven't seen them say anything about Mattis other than report his comments.

-RP

[old2soon]

      I took that Oath in Feb of 1964. I KNOW it has NEVER expired for me. I Remember that Officer  emphasising Enemies Foreign and Domestic. Looks like I M H O the rioters are Domestic Enemies.
                                                RIDE SAFE.

[baldo]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYa8mEr3sJA

Well done

[Robert]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYa8mEr3sJA

Well done

Wow just wow, left wing propaganda at its finest and a bit beneath your level Baldo.

The Confederate flag they label as the flag of treason, you feel that way Baldo?

The goal of the committee is to prevent the reelection of Donald Trump in the 2020 presidential election.  In April 2020, the committee announced their endorsement of Joe Biden, a Democrat, shortly after Bernie Sanders announced the suspension of his campaign.
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Would you really vote for Biden and support a media that would?