Atlanta

[DirtyDan]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/demonstrators-atlanta-protest-police-killing-190027350.html

Dan

[..]

And it gets described as if they crept up on him and shot him. Agent provocateurs at work.

"Gerald Griggs, an attorney and a vice president of Atlanta's NAACP chapter, estimated there were 150 people protesting at the scene as he walked with them Saturday afternoon.

'The people are upset,' Griggs said. 'They want to know why their dear brother Rayshard Brooks was shot and killed when he was merely asleep on the passenger side and not doing anything.'"

[..]

Some of them peacefully burnt the Wendy's. Removing all jobs.

I can't write what I think of that.

[DirtyDan]

Some of them peacefully burnt the Wendy's. Removing all jobs.

I can't write what I think of that.

Amen so much I DONT say

Dan

[old2soon]

          So as a guess here should the person the L E Os are attempting to subdue decide they do not wanna be subdued then it's O K for them to flee from the L E Os without further consequence? From what i gathered from the vid the suspect had the L E Os taser. Olly Olly ocean free all that are out are in free.  RIDE SAFE.

[f6gal]

People are so willing to Monday morning quarterback, when they are not in a life-threatening situation.  If you've not been a cop in that situation, you really aren't qualified to judge.

By that standard, I'm not qualified to judge either.  But here a few points to consider.

-  The perp was a threat and a fleeing felon.  As such, use of force, including deadly force, is permitted to protect the public and officers.

-  While fleeing, the perp turned and pointed a weapon at the officer.  Though it may be the taser, does the cop know that for sure?  Perhaps the perp had a firearm on him.

-  Even if the cop knew it was a taser, he can't allow himself to be disabled, thus allowing the perp an opportunity access to his firearm and become a greater threat.

[Serk]

(he hadn't been patted down yet).

I agree with all you say, but one correction, the suspect had been patted down, they did that almost immediately after beginning the interaction...

(this doesn't change the truth of what you say, even having been patted down, that's not exactly a full blown strip search)

Pat-down at 6:50ish...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5imM40d5Fs

[f6gal]

(he hadn't been patted down yet).

I agree with all you say, but one correction, the suspect had been patted down, they did that almost immediately after beginning the interaction...

(this doesn't change the truth of what you say, even having been patted down, that's not exactly a full blown strip search)

Pat-down at 6:50ish...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5imM40d5Fs

I saw a shorter clip.  Fixed my post.  However, that brief pat down doesn't really eliminate the possibility of a stashed firearm.

[John Schmidt]

The cop may be in trouble since the coroner/med examiner said the dude died of two gunshots in the back. I wasn't there, haven't been in a situation quite that intense in recent years, so as Connie said...I won't judge either.

[f6gal]

The cop may be in trouble since the coroner/med examiner said the dude died of two gunshots in the back. I wasn't there, haven't been in a situation quite that intense in recent years, so as Connie said...I won't judge either.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnRuWcgflaE

If you look at this video, at approx 3:58, you can see the perp turns and points a weapon.  So, although his back was still toward the officer, he was a threat.  I noticed something else as I watched this again... The perp took the other cop's taser (not the shooter), so it's feasible that he could have taken his firearm.  The point being that the cop shooting does not necessarily know what kind of weapon is being pointed at him.  At this point, instinct would kick in.. weapon pointed at you... shoot.

[shadowsoftime]

The cop may be in trouble since the coroner/med examiner said the dude died of two gunshots in the back. I wasn't there, haven't been in a situation quite that intense in recent years, so as Connie said...I won't judge either.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnRuWcgflaE

If you look at this video, at approx 3:58, you can see the perp turns and points a weapon.  So, although his back was still toward the officer, he was a threat.  I noticed something else as I watched this again... The perp took the other cop's taser (not the shooter), so it's feasible that he could have taken his firearm.  The point being that the cop shooting does not necessarily know what kind of weapon is being pointed at him.  At this point, instinct would kick in.. weapon pointed at you... shoot.

at 3;57 looks like a flash out of perps muzzle, maybe reflection of light.

[shadowsoftime]

these perps bring it all on themselves.

[old2soon]

these perps bring it all on themselves.

              Not a rebuke but We already know this. Seen enough L E O body cam video already to know some folks would not only still be here but some would be injury free had they  COMPLIED with the verbal commands issued by the L E Os. But we all KNOW it is the L E Os fault!  RIDE SAFE.

[G-Man]

They leak out portions of video to the media, who in turn, splices and dices to create a story.  By the time the rest of the video, or another videos surfaces, the damage is already done.  Remember sweet, innocent, skittles carrying Treyvon.  The first thing we heard was that a White guy who thought he was Dirty Harry shot an innocent black kid who went out for candy.  The spliced up 911 call and the edited police video demonstrated that story to the world.  Didn't matter that it was wrong.  Still doesn't matter that the whole thing was wrong, the kid's name appears on every list of a black person who was killed by authorities. 

The number show that cops aren't hunting down Black men to kill them.  We ALL know this.  NYPD union guy said they make 3.5 million calls a year.  There would be a heck of a lot more dead black guys if they were.  Seems the rest of us are OK, or at least comfortable with the fact that there will be casualties inherently built in to crime fighting and since it's usually the criminal element that just might meet their demise, we'll accept the risk.  Not the Black community, or should I say, the so-called Black community leaders.  They get behind the lowest of the low and give him a funeral with a gold casket and a horse drawn carriage while the meth is still floating around in the body of a guy who once pointed a gun at a pregnant woman's belly during a home invasion.

No televised funeral for the retired chief who two bullets while helping protect his friend's store

When did it all get so backwards?


 

[Patrick]

Its hard to fix stupid. Maybe the cops were a bit aggressive by trying to handcuff a drunk that was just sleeping it off.  But, I think its wrong to argue or fight them, take care of the problem later. Once he fought, stole and fired the taser at the officer he became a dead man rightfully so. JMHO

[cookiedough]

just watched the video.    the taser was fired a very quick few seconds or so before the cop shot him twice in the back.  hard to say,  but the cop firing the weapon would have had enough time to rethink his firing knowing it was just a taser fired back?   hard to say really was not there.

a taser is not considered a lethal weapon in terms of the law so that may be determined and the shooting cop am sure will be fired and possibly put in jail.    

either way, tough time to be the police all over the United States.  Dumb guy ran away from the cops stealing his tazer though.  Do dumb things get dumb prizes ending your life?  

burning the Wendy's down is just plain dumb.    What purpose does that serve?  Violence promoting more violence.  

Also just saw the new video of bystanders pleading with the cops to get the knee off George Floyds neck NOT moving and they did not.  He was probably dead a minute or two before 8 minutes and some seconds was up.   I would have been arrested (and hopefully NOT shot) , but at around the 6 minute mark I would have broke thru that one officer and pushed the kneeling officer off of him.  Abusive cops abusing their powers.  We had a young rookie part time cop in our hicktown giving citations and police stops right and left to all in town over petty stuff.   I think enough of us, including me being stopped 1st time in 33 years of driving for not coming to a complete stop downtown (1 main street 100 yards long tops) NO traffic around 900 p.m at night,  had enough complaining to the village board and he was removed from office.    He was civil and so was I when I got pulled over,  but could tell he was a young buck with a chip on his shoulders just think he liked flashing his lights and pulling people over right and left.    I told him I have come to this stop sign 100,000 of times prior and done the same thing no issues from any previous cops like Tom E.  who recently retired as acting chief of police who has been police chief for decades.   Heck,  I have followed Tom E. in his police car at that same stop sign seen him roll on thru 1 mph 100's of times prior as well.  
...

[scooperhsd]

these perps bring it all on themselves.

It certainly looks like it in this case. If he hadn't tried to grab something from the one officer and then started running - he would still be alive.

[baldo]

Its hard to fix stupid. Maybe the cops were a bit aggressive by trying to handcuff a drunk that was just sleeping it off.  But, I think its wrong to argue or fight them, take care of the problem later. Once he fought, stole and fired the taser at the officer he became a dead man rightfully so. JMHO

What in the snuggle is wrong with you people???

Dead, and rightfully so.  JFC.

[..]

Its hard to fix stupid. Maybe the cops were a bit aggressive by trying to handcuff a drunk that was just sleeping it off.  But, I think its wrong to argue or fight them, take care of the problem later. Once he fought, stole and fired the taser at the officer he became a dead man rightfully so. JMHO

What in the snuggle is wrong with you people???

Dead, and rightfully so.  JFC.

"You" people???

[Serk]

[hubcapsc]

The Fulton County Medical Examiner said Rayshard Brooks,
a black man who was shot by an Atlanta police officer in a Wendy’s
parking lot Friday night, was shot in the back twice

I just read the above in the Wall Street Journal, I guess it is so.

Rayshard Brooks (the guy who was resisting arrest) needed to be
brought under control and arrested, but not shot in the back. Michael
Brown forced Darren Wilson to shoot him. It seems a runner
who is merely guilty of being an asshat should be allowed to
get away if the only other choice is to shoot him down as he runs... not to
please Black Lies Matter, but because it seems like the right thing.

-Mike "I wasn't there..."

[Serk]

The Fulton County Medical Examiner said Rayshard Brooks,
a black man who was shot by an Atlanta police officer in a Wendy’s
parking lot Friday night, was shot in the back twice

I just read the above in the Wall Street Journal, I guess it is so.

Rayshard Brooks (the guy who was resisting arrest) needed to be
brought under control and arrested, but not shot in the back. Michael
Brown forced Darren Wilson to shoot him. It seems a runner
who is merely guilty of being an asshat should be allowed to
get away if the only other choice is to shoot him down as he runs... not to
please Black Lies Matter, but because it seems like the right thing.

-Mike "I wasn't there..."

If pointing a Taser at the officer is justification for application of lethal force is a debatable point, but that Mr. Brooks was shot in the back is a red herring, he was indeed shot in the back, but he was also pointing the Taser at the officer (And it LOOKS like had just fired it when he was shot.)

One can be facing away from someone and still be an imminent threat at the same time.

[Ramie]

I know these situations get stressful for police.  Things would have been much different if the man had not resisted arrest.  I fail to understand why some people don't, I imagine it could have something to do with the fact that he was legally drunk.  I don't think it had anything to do with the fact that the man is Black.

I also don't understand, if the police know who he is, have his drivers license and his car is sitting there and he resists arrest and runs even taking into account that he took one officers taser.  Why they needed to resort to deadly force.  Just issue and arrest warrant for driving while intoxicated, resisting arrest, assaulting a police officer, stealing government property and illegally possessing a taser and pick him up the next time he surfaces.

[signart]

Two or more officers could not contain him and he managed to wrestle a taser away from one.
If the taser works like it is suppose to, he could very easily take a gun and use it on all the officers in his path.
They already had a wrestling match and lost to a drunk competition. First round wins him a taser, second round? You can't give him a second round to see what might happen.
I suspect during the interrogations his record for priors was discovered. If so, his chances of a break was diminished.
 

[cookiedough]

I know these situations get stressful for police.  Things would have been much different if the man had not resisted arrest.  I fail to understand why some people don't, I imagine it could have something to do with the fact that he was legally drunk.  I don't think it had anything to do with the fact that the man is Black.

I also don't understand, if the police know who he is, have his drivers license and his car is sitting there and he resists arrest and runs even taking into account that he took one officers taser.  Why they needed to resort to deadly force.  Just issue and arrest warrant for driving while intoxicated, resisting arrest, assaulting a police officer, stealing government property and illegally possessing a taser and pick him up the next time he surfaces.

agree if that shooting officer had knows BEFORE he shot it was just a taser fired at them,  let the perv go and run away they knew who he was so let him go and pick him up shortly afterwards.  NOt like he will get away for long.   And from what I know, tazers are not lethal force so technically officers were wrong on shooting him running away.  Tough call though, did the officer who shot think that tazer was a lethal firearm NOT a tazer? 

what about shooting low so as to not die, just wound him so he cannot run away?  I feel more police training is needed on proper firearm shooting when to shoot and when to NOT shoot.  I for one would never be a police officer, especially in these trying times.  A judgment call was made and seems to be not a good one all over again.

[Patrick]

If what I understand about this incident is correct, the taser was taken from the officer that did not shoot. i don't think the shooting officer knew the drunk man had a taser. When any type of gun is pointed at you in such a situation I think a shot is justified.

[markymark640]

I believe in Georgia, like most states, DUI is a NOT a felony as someone stated.

The Police had already fully identified him.

The cop who shot, had plenty of time, in my opinion, to realize his life was not in danger.

All of these things would appear to indicate that deadly force was not needed, most likely not authorized under his departments rules of engagement, and absolutely inappropriate in this situation.

Yeah, I know, the Perp shouldn't have done what he did, but it would have been just as easy to chase him down, or at least pick him up later and charge him as appropriate offenses including evading apprehension/arrest.

I wasn't there, and I'm not trying to judge, but reading some of the messages in this thread have struck a nerve and I felt like I needed to add my two cents.

[The emperor has no clothes]

I'm not sure of guilt here. But, this video brings up a couple questions for me. I was shocked that the first cop had him move his car after suspecting alcohol consumption. Also, I'm very curious the different rules for giving out body cam footage. The Atlanta paper was able to recieve the footage almost immediately, but yet I still haven't seen any from the Minneapolis incident.

(It did seem pretty apparent that both cops knew he was using a yellow Tazer)

[signart]

I believe in Georgia, like most states, DUI is a NOT a felony as someone stated.

The Police had already fully identified him.

The cop who shot, had plenty of time, in my opinion, to realize his life was not in danger.

All of these things would appear to indicate that deadly force was not needed, most likely not authorized under his departments rules of engagement, and absolutely inappropriate in this situation.

Yeah, I know, the Perp shouldn't have done what he did, but it would have been just as easy to chase him down, or at least pick him up later and charge him as appropriate offenses including evading apprehension/arrest.

I wasn't there, and I'm not trying to judge, but reading some of the messages in this thread have struck a nerve and I felt like I needed to add my two cents.

You are right he was identified and probably had his priors known by the time of the attempted arrest. If those priors included DUI, then yes this DUI would be a felony arrest.

[f6gal]

The Fulton County Medical Examiner said Rayshard Brooks,
a black man who was shot by an Atlanta police officer in a Wendy’s
parking lot Friday night, was shot in the back twice

I just read the above in the Wall Street Journal, I guess it is so.

Rayshard Brooks (the guy who was resisting arrest) needed to be
brought under control and arrested, but not shot in the back. Michael
Brown forced Darren Wilson to shoot him. It seems a runner
who is merely guilty of being an asshat should be allowed to
get away if the only other choice is to shoot him down as he runs... not to
please Black Lies Matter, but because it seems like the right thing.

-Mike "I wasn't there..."

If pointing a Taser at the officer is justification for application of lethal force is a debatable point, but that Mr. Brooks was shot in the back is a red herring, he was indeed shot in the back, but he was also pointing the Taser at the officer (And it LOOKS like had just fired it when he was shot.)

One can be facing away from someone and still be an imminent threat at the same time.

Exactly!

[cookiedough]

If what I understand about this incident is correct, the taser was taken from the officer that did not shoot. i don't think the shooting officer knew the drunk man had a taser. When any type of gun is pointed at you in such a situation I think a shot is justified.

good point as well did the officer who shot not know the tazer was gone from other officer thinking it was a gun fired at them?   tough call?  sounds like though the cop got fired and will also stand for trial for murder and would not surprise me gets put in jail during these trying times.


Just heard on news that robert fuller hung by a tree in California and Malcolm Harsch hanged from tree as well close by, both black and no foul play, suicide???  is there a revolt going on or what?  everyday nearly you hear of some black person dying of social injustice.  What is going on??????????

[G-Man]

What does "dying of social injustice" mean?

[Valkorado]

What does "dying of social injustice" mean?

Strange phenomenon.  They realize how "privileged" white folks are and keel over from the the inequity.   

[scooperhsd]

I've never felt "Privileged" for being white (my folks raised us better than that). I do feel privileged to be an American .

[markymark640]

No, not true.

Even a second DUI offense in Georgia is NOT a felony, unless there was property damage, or serious bodily injury.

Don't understand why some folks seem to want to make more of this than there is. Deal in facts, deal in the truth, and take it for what it is. No need to make stuff up to try and justify someone being shot in the back over something like this.

I've chased down more than one fleeing perp in my 22 years on the job and didn't shoot a single one in the back

[Serk]

I've chased down more than one fleeing perp in my 22 years on the job and didn't shoot a single one in the back

And the fact that the perp was firing a weapon at the officer doesn't enter into the equation?

[signart]

All I can say, don't point a taser at me. I will empty + a few dry snaps. Not waiting to see if I am capable of defending my self after being tased.

[markymark640]

Does the taser enter into the question ?

Let' see.

They call the Taser 'Non Lethal'.

So it is Non Lethal when the cop shoots it, and some how it's suppose to be lethal if the perp fires it ? 

I guess it must be because otherwise the cop shot a man in the back in response to non-lethal force. I believe by definition in all 50 states that is called murder.

Can't believe any intelligent person could buy into that.

Non lethal taser is not grounds to shoot a perp in the back, who at the time was fleeing and was obviously not a threat.

And as far as the rest of the 'what ifs' I read, there was another cop on the scene, so even if the perp was successful with the taser, the 2nd cop was there so all that bs about the perp getting his weapon after the taser is just that - more bs.

[RP#62]

At the time this occurred, did the officer know for a fact that it was a taser?

-RP

[markymark640]

It is a bright, extremely vivid yellow color.

Considering the officer would have had to have been trained on it, he absolutely should have observed it and recognized it as a taser. It was easy enough to make out in the video.

And, if you watch the video, it's clear he shot the perp, AFTER the perp had already turned and fired it, while running away. At the time the cop fires, there was no threat of extreme bodily harm or death to the officer of others at the scene. I'm pretty sure his department will determine it was not an authorized use of deadly force.

I realize the perp was way out of line and should have faced all applicable charges including the DUI ( a misdemeanor), resisting arrest ( also a misdemeanor in Georgia) and whatever else, but I just don't believe he should have been shot twice in the back and killed.