Had a look at new Bronco

[shortleg]

  I take care on communications for an east coast distributor for Ford..
While to here I was shown the 2021 Bronco. Very cool and looks like it should.
    The one I saw was a four door and it has much of the same things that Jeep has.
   The roof comes off in sections to make it easier for one person to remove it.
 Was told that Ford has not made up their mind yet about all the engines .
     As can be expected it will be big bucks.  Starting  at 24k

[Jack B]

 I thought they were releasing the new Bronco next week.
Can't wait!

[GiG]

Old News

[cookiedough]

24K msrp base model is actually pretty cheap nowadays.  my wife decided she 'wanted' a NEW SUV and we looked at a few.  We decided on upper level trim 'sport' still cloth seats but extra goodies she 'wanted' NOT needed (I was against a sport wanting an SLE one grade below to save 1500 bucks)  but a new 2020 hyundai tucson msrp was 31.5K but since ONLY dealer to price slash this floor model end of year savings on down to 23.5K out the door pricing (yah, was floored they took off 8 grand off msrp everyone else only like 6 grand off msrp),  we could not pass it up. 

she wanted a hyundai KONA even smaller and was nice, but way too fricking small for me to fit inside being heavier just too darn small, but was nicely priced could have gotten that for around 20K out the door pricing.  PLus,  after looking at window sticker the 2.0L atkinson engine was NO JOKE made in CHINA much to my surprise.  I think the tucson is plenty small enough refusing to go any smaller.

anywho,  that new BRONCO looks a lot like the Jeep SUV's out there now nothing like the big old Bronco's of years past and when I always think of BRONCO's I think of OJ driving down that interstate followed by dozens of police officers.    Talk about your ironic and evil discrimination where OJ who without a shadow of a doubt in my mind killed his white wife and yet being who he is, got away with it.  Was there rioting in the streets back then because OJ got away with murder?   

wanna bet that new bronco has a 4 banger inside and an optional V6 since JEEP is pretty much the same way nowadays not like the olden days of gas guzzling V8 engines.  IMO,  the Jeeps SUVs similar to this Bronco are junk look cheap and have cheap parts in them not very reliable.

[f6john]

Remember when the new model rollouts were in late summer or early fall? Especially during the 60’s when there were some pretty major styling changes almost every year. Being a teenager during those times, I was drooling all over dealership windows and lots. It was equal opportunity for all the manufactures for me at that time too, Chevelles, Camaros, Mustangs, Chargers, RoadRunners, Gtos, Firebirds, 442’s, Barracudas, Amx’s, Challangers, had me daydreaming about the possibility of owning all of them.

The rollout of the new C8 Corvette is the only really exciting event in the car news category of recent memory and it was muted by the exclusivity by cost and production availability. The next manufacturer that can reproduce the success of the Ford Mustang in 1964 would make a mint.

[Patrick]

Ford was famous for their half year models.

[Robert]

No joke I heard either by coincedence or planned they plan to realese it the same day OJ took his fated drive.

[Dave Ritsema]

Waiting for the Raptor version which they say is 6 months behind. 

[TJEli]

I'll stick with my solid axle Jeep.

-Eli

[cookiedough]

can't say I am delighted, but the 2022 tundra will be out late 2021 next fall and dreading it.  They are from what I hear going twin turbo V6 450 hp much like the ford trucks and honestly not liking it for reliability.   I will be going in this time or in August/September next year to see what kind of deals they give on a new 2021 tundra 5.7L V8 seeing as how if they go V6 even with 450hp twin turbo want reliability over speed and slightly better mpg vs. our 350 V8 having now has plenty of pep for me 381 ponies and 401 torque.  Yah, gas mileage is so-so at best average 17 mostly hwy mpg vs. a ecoboost V6 twin turbo guessing 19-20 avg mpg.    I will never see 20 mpg on the hwy though as the twin turbo ecoboost probably does on the hwy. with that V6 engine.  For those wanting in a 1/2 ton truck fuel mileage over reliability never got that at all.  Is a truck for pete's sake none get over 20 avg mpg for the most part unless you go diesel V6.  I will gladly sacrifice 2-3 less mpg vs. reliabilty anyday of the week.

It does not matter what a 2021 new tundra will cost is what the dealership me working them all against one another gives me for trade in on my 2017 tundra.    All dealers new are about the same give or take 200 bucks or so but trade in value varies widely from dealer to dealer around me.

I saved over 2 grand one time on a trade in apples to apples on one of my trade ins finally finding a dealer who does not low ball me on trade in value which most dealers do wanting to make 4 grand profit on a used car since they not making much, if any, on me on a new truck sale just say show me the dealer invoice price and if I get greedy ask for 300-400 off of that as well, all depends on trade in value.

[The emperor has no clothes]

Waiting for the Raptor version which they say is 6 months behind.  

I realize it's not just Ford, they all do it. But the naming, badging, packaging of vehicles sometimes baffles me. A raptor version of a bronco ? (Makes me envision a flying horse)

[pais]

No joke I heard either by coincedence or planned they plan to realese it the same day OJ took his fated drive.

This mornings paper, Nicole Brown's youngest sister is upset because Ford is debuting the "new" Bronco on OJ's birthday, July 9th. The timing was "purely coincidental," a Ford spokesman said. Either way, who gives a f^*k!
On a lighter note. Good to see someone is entering the removable top, SUV market. Jeep (Chrysler/Fiat) needs some competition. Quality of the Wrangler is sub par at best.

[cookiedough]

No joke I heard either by coincedence or planned they plan to realese it the same day OJ took his fated drive.

This mornings paper, Nicole Brown's youngest sister is upset because Ford is debuting the "new" Bronco on OJ's birthday, July 9th. The timing was "purely coincidental," a Ford spokesman said. Either way, who gives a f^*k!
On a lighter note. Good to see someone is entering the removable top, SUV market. Jeep (Chrysler/Fiat) needs some competition. Quality of the Wrangler is sub par at best.

I'd be pissed as well OJ killed his wife and he got off free as a whistle on that one I guess black lives do matter?  Yes,  Jeep needs competition although as you say,  Jeeps are sub par to begin with so should not take much to surpass Jeep quality.    If you look at the Dodge Ram trucks,  they look all fancy and good on the inside, but give it 5 years and see which one has more issues,  Ram, F150, tundra, or silverado...

[G-Man]

Been looking around for a 2 door Wrangler with very low milage.  I have looked at the new ones, but I don't want to pay over $40,000 for a Wrangler.  I want one with GPS.  The one's I work out on-line, or see in the dealers inventories within 100 miles, that have GPS usually come with other amenities that bring a 6 cylinder with an automatic transmission up over $40,000. 

If the Bronco has a version with GPS that falls in less than $40K, I might become a Ford man again.

[cookiedough]

Been looking around for a 2 door Wrangler with very low milage.  I have looked at the new ones, but I don't want to pay over $40,000 for a Wrangler.  I want one with GPS.  The one's I work out on-line, or see in the dealers inventories within 100 miles, that have GPS usually come with other amenities that bring a 6 cylinder with an automatic transmission up over $40,000. 

If the Bronco has a version with GPS that falls in less than $40K, I might become a Ford man again.

agree with you there 40K for a Jeep NO way that is insane.  problem you will have like any other is mfgs. mostly put GPS / NAV, etc. in ONLY the top tier trim levels to get you to 'want' not 'need' their toplevel trims costing 40K on up.   same thing, well sort of, happened on my tundra my 2010 tundra had in SR5 mid level trim cloth seating (do not want leather) had a power sliding rear window but the 2014 tundra SR5 exact same trim only allowed power sliding rear window in limited on up trims with leather seating which is dumb.  They do that to sucker you into top trim levels which I will never do not liking leather seats, plus the aded 3-5K in cost already high enough.

if you get to be  a FORD man again,  remember FORD stands for Fix Or Repair Daily or Found On Road Dead definitely not First On Race Day     

what really gets me is I know mfgs. would sell one heck of a lot of trucks if they make one under 30K with a V6 engine comfy seating 4 people with 6 or 6.5 foot bed length and able to tow say 6000lbs.    If you look at all the chevy colorados or tacomas with V6 engines the pricing to buy is pushing 40K not 30K and for that minimal cost savings in mid sized truck you might as well get a full sized 1/2 ton truck for 1-2 grand more in pricing is all.

[Dave Ritsema]

Put over 200K miles on various Fords over the last 10 years with no issues that are worth mentioning, all of them eco-boosts. My last 4 F150's had either the 3.5 or 2.7 eco-boosts and they have been completely trouble free.
I agree with the comments about Jeep (Fiat) quality and had multiple issues on my 2017 Wrangler that I had well north of $50K wrapped up in. I am a die hard Ford guy and am looking forward to seeing what the Bronco will look like.

[Dave Ritsema]

Been looking around for a 2 door Wrangler with very low milage.  I have looked at the new ones, but I don't want to pay over $40,000 for a Wrangler.  I want one with GPS.  The one's I work out on-line, or see in the dealers inventories within 100 miles, that have GPS usually come with other amenities that bring a 6 cylinder with an automatic transmission up over $40,000. 

If the Bronco has a version with GPS that falls in less than $40K, I might become a Ford man again.

Just as an FYI, on the Wrangler Forums you can very frequently find OEM head units that are pretty much plug and play for under $400. A good aftermarket one that looks factory are under $600 installed.

[..]

I just read that the small Bronco has a 1.5 liter in line 3.   

Next up is 2 liter 

How could a new owner say with a straight face that they bought a new Bronco in these engine sizes?

[hubcapsc]

I just read that the small Bronco has a 1.5 liter in line 3.  

Next up is 2 liter  

How could a new owner say with a straight face that they bought a new Bronco in these engine sizes?

There's a new awd Toyota Yaris with real suspension, real wheels and a turbocharged
1.6 liter 268 horsepower three cylinder engine... if I wanted a new funny looking little
car (I don't) it would be one I would look at...



If they're not in the USA yet, I believe they are confirmed to be...

-Mike

[Beardo]

I just read that the small Bronco has a 1.5 liter in line 3.  

Next up is 2 liter  

How could a new owner say with a straight face that they bought a new Bronco in these engine sizes?

That’s the Bronco Sport, not the Bronco. Ford made a mistake calling the Bronco Sport (boxy Escape) by the Bronco name as it takes away from the Bronco name and reputation.  It would be like if Honda brought out a new 300 cc bike and called it a Valkyrie Sport.

The real Bronco will be a very capable vehicle. The Bronco Sport is an Escape.

[old2soon]

I just read that the small Bronco has a 1.5 liter in line 3.   

Next up is 2 liter 

How could a new owner say with a straight face that they bought a new Bronco in these engine sizes?

             Maybe they can splain it got castrated?  RIDE SAFE.

[cookiedough]

I just read that the small Bronco has a 1.5 liter in line 3.   

Next up is 2 liter 

How could a new owner say with a straight face that they bought a new Bronco in these engine sizes?

There's a new awd Toyota Yaris with real suspension, real wheels and a turbocharged
1.6 liter 268 horsepower three cylinder engine... if I wanted a new funny looking little
car (I don't) it would be one I would look at...



If they're not in the USA yet, I believe they are confirmed to be...

-Mike

no thanks,  doubt I would fit inside.   My wife's newer tucson is nearly too tiny for me to be comfy getting in/out of it.   Someone mfg needs to wake up and bring back a bare bones V6 engine truck that can tow 6000lbs. without braking the bank under 30K new.  I see the pricing of a new colorado or especially a tacoma and for a few grand more get a new full sized half ton truck.  Skip all the safety sense BS and give me AC/pwr windows, locks, brakes, steering, with cruise control and good to go.  A backup camera would be nice to hookup a trailer but as most mfgs. do,  it would probably be in a 4K bundle package with other stuff not wanted nor will use.    I think in 2010 looking at new tundras I wanted again a power sliding rear window in the double cab and Toyota being braindead put it ONLY in a TRD off road package costing over 2K more I did not want. 

[GiG]

The notice came through yesterday about everyone must adhere to the anti-espionage steps we all must take to prevent the companies secrets secret. Lots of rules about secured garages and never to remove or even lift any camo covering. The roads are loaded with camo cars around here, under development, going on road tests and driven home by geeky engineers at night.

The picture of the camo car from June came to mind. You can see it is parked next to a fairly well-travelled road. separated by a see-through chain link fence... 

[Dave Ritsema]

My Bronco is finally getting ordered this Saturday. It has been reserved since mid summer last year. My dealer is allocated 38 Broncos and I am allocation #2 but it still is going to be a late 21 delivery date but thats not an issue for me as I have other transpiration options.

[GiG]

That's cool, Dave, I am excited for you!
Keep in mind, there are many delays for many reasons these days that cause the customer to wait on expected delivery. Not all are covid related delays. It seems every new car release is delayed due to "Engineering Updates", usually software re-flashes at end-of-line or at the dealerships on electronic modules. Don't ask how I know... 

[..]

My Bronco is finally getting ordered this Saturday. It has been reserved since mid summer last year. My dealer is allocated 38 Broncos and I am allocation #2 but it still is going to be a late 21 delivery date but thats not an issue for me as I have other transpiration options.

 

[Dave Ritsema]

That's cool, Dave, I am excited for you!
Keep in mind, there are many delays for many reasons these days that cause the customer to wait on expected delivery. Not all are covid related delays. It seems every new car release is delayed due to "Engineering Updates", usually software re-flashes at end-of-line or at the dealerships on electronic modules. Don't ask how I know... 

I honestly would be surprised if I get a model year 2021 at this point. I am near the front in the que but many of the options I am ordering are already marked as late availability. (Sasquatch package, 2.7, hard top and Badlands package) If it ends up being a 22 its no biggie to me. I bought my last new Bronco in 1996, I can wait a little longer.

[..]

That's cool, Dave, I am excited for you!
Keep in mind, there are many delays for many reasons these days that cause the customer to wait on expected delivery. Not all are covid related delays. It seems every new car release is delayed due to "Engineering Updates", usually software re-flashes at end-of-line or at the dealerships on electronic modules. Don't ask how I know... 

I honestly would be surprised if I get a model year 2021 at this point. I am near the front in the que but many of the options I am ordering are already marked as late availability. (Sasquatch package, 2.7, hard top and Badlands package) If it ends up being a 22 its no biggie to me. I bought my last new Bronco in 1996, I can wait a little longer.

What is 2.7?

[Jess from VA]

Here's a humorous story on a new Bronco.    "hey, give it back!"

https://www.abcactionnews.com/money/consumer/taking-action-for-you/florida-car-dealer-mistakenly-sells-man-a-ford-bronco-display-model-demands-its-return

[OnaWingandaPrayer]

"Ford made a mistake calling the Bronco Sport (boxy Escape) by the Bronco name as it takes away from the Bronco name and reputation.  It would be like if Honda brought out a new 300 cc bike and called it a Valkyrie Sport.

The real Bronco will be a very capable vehicle. The Bronco Sport is an Escape."

Not so unusual ... I mean a four door electric Mustang really ? have they run out of names.  The original Thunderbird turned into a bloated four door before later becoming smaller . The original Bronco grew to a full size then came the little  Bronco II. more of the same with Ranchero, started as a full size car/truck. Then shrunk to the Falcon platform and finally was on a midsize chassis. Not that the later vehicles were bad , just so different from the original ideas.

[Dave Ritsema]

That's cool, Dave, I am excited for you!
Keep in mind, there are many delays for many reasons these days that cause the customer to wait on expected delivery. Not all are covid related delays. It seems every new car release is delayed due to "Engineering Updates", usually software re-flashes at end-of-line or at the dealerships on electronic modules. Don't ask how I know... 

I honestly would be surprised if I get a model year 2021 at this point. I am near the front in the que but many of the options I am ordering are already marked as late availability. (Sasquatch package, 2.7, hard top and Badlands package) If it ends up being a 22 its no biggie to me. I bought my last new Bronco in 1996, I can wait a little longer.

What is 2.7?

They offer two engine options. The 2.7 twin turbo is the engine choice I made. I have the same engine in my 2020 F150 and it is very capable, has lots of torque and acceleration. Should be even more enjoyable in a smaller/lighter vehicle.

[..]

That's cool, Dave, I am excited for you!
Keep in mind, there are many delays for many reasons these days that cause the customer to wait on expected delivery. Not all are covid related delays. It seems every new car release is delayed due to "Engineering Updates", usually software re-flashes at end-of-line or at the dealerships on electronic modules. Don't ask how I know... 

I honestly would be surprised if I get a model year 2021 at this point. I am near the front in the que but many of the options I am ordering are already marked as late availability. (Sasquatch package, 2.7, hard top and Badlands package) If it ends up being a 22 its no biggie to me. I bought my last new Bronco in 1996, I can wait a little longer.

What is 2.7?

They offer two engine options. The 2.7 twin turbo is the engine choice I made. I have the same engine in my 2020 F150 and it is very capable, has lots of torque and acceleration. Should be even more enjoyable in a smaller/lighter vehicle.

Do they offer a "big" engine?

[Beardo]

"Ford made a mistake calling the Bronco Sport (boxy Escape) by the Bronco name as it takes away from the Bronco name and reputation.  It would be like if Honda brought out a new 300 cc bike and called it a Valkyrie Sport.

The real Bronco will be a very capable vehicle. The Bronco Sport is an Escape."

Not so unusual ... I mean a four door electric Mustang really ? have they run out of names.  The original Thunderbird turned into a bloated four door before later becoming smaller . The original Bronco grew to a full size then came the little  Bronco II. more of the same with Ranchero, started as a full size car/truck. Then shrunk to the Falcon platform and finally was on a midsize chassis. Not that the later vehicles were bad , just so different from the original ideas.

Don’t forget about the new Maverick, which isn’t a Maverick at all but a Ranchero. Lol

And Britman, the 2.7 is the big engine. Anyone who has owned or driven one knows it’s a ridiculously capable engine for its size and will be amazing in the Bronco.   Personally I’d have preferred a bigger naturally aspirated V6 or a small V8 for longevity/future repair reasons but it looks like Ford is going to keep going with the turbos.

[Dave Ritsema]

"Ford made a mistake calling the Bronco Sport (boxy Escape) by the Bronco name as it takes away from the Bronco name and reputation.  It would be like if Honda brought out a new 300 cc bike and called it a Valkyrie Sport.

The real Bronco will be a very capable vehicle. The Bronco Sport is an Escape."

Not so unusual ... I mean a four door electric Mustang really ? have they run out of names.  The original Thunderbird turned into a bloated four door before later becoming smaller . The original Bronco grew to a full size then came the little  Bronco II. more of the same with Ranchero, started as a full size car/truck. Then shrunk to the Falcon platform and finally was on a midsize chassis. Not that the later vehicles were bad , just so different from the original ideas.

Don’t forget about the new Maverick, which isn’t a Maverick at all but a Ranchero. Lol

And Britman, the 2.7 is the big engine. Anyone who has owned or driven one knows it’s a ridiculously capable engine for its size and will be amazing in the Bronco.   Personally I’d have preferred a bigger naturally aspirated V6 or a small V8 for longevity/future repair reasons but it looks like Ford is going to keep going with the turbos.

I have had two F150's with the 2.7 eco-boost motors and I agree with your assessment. The first one I got in 2017 my buddy ordered almost the identical truck except he wanted the V8 5.0. My 2.7 smoked him from 0-60 in several trials and he was really pissed, but he just had to have that V8 sound. I am a fan of eco-boost motors and have put over 150K on them with ZERO issues.