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Lying or not, I defy you to find an instance when trump has taken responsibility for any of his lies or mistakes ...his M.O... tell a different lie, blame Obama or anyone else..remotely connected and call your once ally a liar and stupid...
who is the dumb as# here... if he is incapable of surrounding himself with any one but treasonous , lying
jerks??? Oh yea... he is the one that is smarter than everyone else , the one that knows more about everything than any of the experts..... can I get my Lysol shot now???
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OK lets say without agreeing that Trump lied, The truth is without exception that every president lied. Now Obama lied about his background, gun running, raising taxes. All some pretty important issues all the time not improving the public good and also spying on an incumbent. Trump has slowed or stopped human trafficking, made the economy sing, will be removing the deep state, saved trillions by not sending money to Iran, taking us out of the Paris accord, renegotiated the NAFTA, and this is just to name a few things. So without really addressing if he did lie or not, I would say of the two, or even previous admins, Ill take Trump over any of them, even if he did lie. His actions have helped the US, so the solution is just don't listen to him and watch the policies that help you, me and others. OH one of the best things is he is the Federal Reserve head now.  Something offered to other presidents but they did not have the business knowledge to make it work for us. |
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OK lets say without agreeing that Trump lied, The truth is without exception that every president lied. Now Obama lied about his background, gun running, rasing taxes. All some pretty important issues all the time not improving the public good and also spying on an incumbent. Trump has slowed or stopped human trafficing, made the economy sing, will be removing the deep state, saved trillions by not sending money to Iran, taking us out of the Paris accord, renegotiated the NFTA, and this is just to name a few things. So without really addressing if he did lie or not, I would say of the two, or even previous admins, Ill take Trump over any of them, even if he did lie. His actions have helped the US, so the solution is just dont listen to him and watch the policies that help you, me and others. OH one of the best things is he is the Federal Reserve head now. Something offered to other presidents but they did not have the business knowledge to make it work for us. |
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Still will NEVER add up to the lie of the century......... If you like your insurance, your doctor, your providing site........ YOU CAN KEEP THEM and everybody will save $2,500 a year! And then there was the lie told over and over and over and over and over again............ Shovel ready jobs are hitting the ground. Oh and let's not forget that a video caused it all. You can add up all of Trumps fibs about crowd size and such and NEVER come close to real world B u l l s h i t the last guy spewed. |
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Still will NEVER add up to the lie of the century......... If you like your insurance, your doctor, your providing site........ YOU CAN KEEP THEM and everybody will save $2,500 a year! And then there was the lie told over and over and over and over and over again............ Shovel ready jobs are hitting the ground. Oh and let's not forget that a video caused it all. You can add up all of Trumps fibs about crowd size and such and NEVER come close to real world B u l l s h i t the last guy spewed. |
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Still will NEVER add up to the lie of the century......... If you like your insurance, your doctor, your providing site........ YOU CAN KEEP THEM and everybody will save $2,500 a year! And then there was the lie told over and over and over and over and over again............ Shovel ready jobs are hitting the ground. Oh and let's not forget that a video caused it all. You can add up all of Trumps fibs about crowd size and such and NEVER come close to real world B u l l s h i t the last guy spewed. LOLOLOL....B...B...B...BUT OBAMA. Still? You do know he left office almost 4 years ago, right? The LIE OF THE CENTURY ?????? REALLY ????? I want to hear your thoughts when your guy removes health coverage for pre-existing conditions. Which even to this day, he promises to keep those protections. Isn't the ACA on the SC docket in the next few days? I believe that's on the block..... https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/trumps-protecting-pre-existing-conditions-full-answer-if-obamacare-undone-2020-3-1028974204I hope you and yours don't get hurt by that if it comes to pass. And then there's Social Security and Medicare. He swears up and down that he's not going to touch it. If you believe it, well, I just don't know what to say to you. https://www.vox.com/2020/2/10/21131316/trump-2021-budget-entitlement-cutshttps://www.fool.com/retirement/2020/06/19/3-ways-trump-has-proposed-cutting-social-security.aspxHe is the poster child for "How do you know he's lying? His lips are moving." So you're wasting your breath if you're trying to compare Presidential lies. That's one thing that your guy is NUMBER ONE in.....!!!! So there's that. |
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« Reply #51 on: June 25, 2020, 12:43:34 PM » |
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I couldn't agree more. He is the poster child, and if his mouth is moving, he's lying.
What I really don't understand, is that when I talk with, or read from, a Trump supporter, every time I try to address a situation where it is clear Trump is lying, all I hear is something about Obama lying.
They never seem to want to talk about Trump lying, or the fall out from his lies.
I know other presidents have lied, but no one ever came close to the number of lies told by Trump.
Since the first COVID 19 case hit the US, Forbes recorded 23.8 lies per day on average.
The total number of lies or misleading information from Trump is anywhere between 16 to 18,000 since he took office.
I think he is a total failure as a human being, let alone a president.
And no, I am not a fan of Obama either. But I am will to stand us and recognize Trump for what he is.
Think of the thousands and thousands of people he has hurt. The farmers losing their farms because of his personal trade war with China when they lost the biggest accounts for their soy beans.
The hundreds of families he separated as part of his immigration plan which took a Federal Judge to order him to stop, and then he tried to blame it on Obama.
The hundreds of people he cheated out of their life savings with phony baloney companies like Trump University and Trump Real Estate, etc. Settled out of court because he knew he was wrong, but it still didn't give those folks all their money back.
And with his reputation I don't know how any woman could support him.
And of course everything he has ever done is the best, the most, the biggest ever. Just like the number of people that attended his inauguration, or his rally in Tulsa.
Speaking of Tulsa. Today's news says Tulsa has it's highest day ever in new cases. But of course that had nothing to do with rally Trump held, with so many people without a mask. And several of his staffers, and even some secret service folks came down with the virus.
It's so reassuring to know that the President of the United States, is looking out for the health and welfare of all citizens and setting such a good example by supporting and following the warnings and recommendations for the CDC, WHO, State and Local Health agencies.
But the good news is, if Trump keeps talking, and he loves to talk, the number of lies he tells will surely increase to most, the biggest, the best, the absolute most lies ever told by all past and future presidents COMBINED.
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Some folks seem to find what they're looking for even when it's not there. I consider those folks not worthy of a waste my thinking process. Best to ignore the ignorant. Not sure how this quote stuff works, but I think that you calling names ( 'ignorant') is just like Trump. Talking down to others that voice an opinion that you do not share is hardly a trait worth having. Trump does it constantly. All of the incidents with reporters, all the name calling for the many people he hired and praised, but later fired and called them all kinds of names. I stopped doing that in elementary school, as did most other folks I know. |
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You know what, I hear about lies and failings and all the terrible things Trump has done, but everyday when I see the train wreck of the democratic party, see the problems in people in goverment even judges and see more and more truths about how corrupt the previous admin was, I thank God he is our president Everyone is entitled to their opionion and untill I see Trump giving away some city real estate to rioters it really does not matter how much he lies. I wait in anticipation to see Biden, his son, Hillary, and all the rest one day answer for their crimes. If Trump had done nothing else and brings these people to justice I will say he has been the best president in my life time. Marky why do you listen to Trump if you dont like him? I dont listen to much to what he says but I do look at what he does and where he is going on issues. Seems to me for someone you dont like to fixate on them is self defeating. Trump said a good thing, He said winners focus on winning, loosers focus on winners. Its true and I have seen over and over. |
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Robert, I was amazed to read that you don't care how much Trump lies.
To answer you, the reason I pay attention, is I am an American citizen, and an Army Veteran, retired and I am concerned about how the country is run, and I am fed up with corrupt politicians.
I don't fixate on Trump, but I am not going to ignore his dastardly deeds. And I care about my fellow citizens and all of the people he has hurt.
And again, rather than deal with what Trump has done, it seems you too go on to talk about the things others have done wrong, ignoring that which is ongoing with Trump.
If Biden, Clinton or anyone else committed a crime, then that too should be fully investigated and appropriate action taken/charges brought.
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Not sure how this quote stuff works, but I think that you calling names ( 'ignorant') is just like Trump.
Talking down to others that voice an opinion that you do not share is hardly a trait worth having.
Trump does it constantly. All of the incidents with reporters, all the name calling for the many people he hired and praised, but later fired and called them all kinds of names.
I stopped doing that in elementary school, as did most other folks I know. Ignorant is not a name. It's a descriptor. No, actually you didn't. You simply attempt to mask it while making rash opposing statements that simply are not true. An example would be, "I think he is a total failure as a human being, let alone a president." That too is a descriptor but was pointed to an individual rather than to a non-specific type of people. Please get better before you take on a role of holier-than-thou with me. |
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Not sure how this quote stuff works, but I think that you calling names ( 'ignorant') is just like Trump.
Talking down to others that voice an opinion that you do not share is hardly a trait worth having.
Trump does it constantly. All of the incidents with reporters, all the name calling for the many people he hired and praised, but later fired and called them all kinds of names.
I stopped doing that in elementary school, as did most other folks I know. Ignorant is not a name. It's a descriptor. No, actually you didn't. You simply attempt to mask it while making rash opposing statements that simply are not true. An example would be, "I think he is a total failure as a human being, let alone a president." That too is a descriptor but was pointed to an individual rather than to a non-specific type of people. Please get better before you take on a role of holier-than-thou with me. Danger Danger Warning.... One should never poke a Bear.... Or a Willow.  |
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Not sure how this quote stuff works, but I think that you calling names ( 'ignorant') is just like Trump.
Talking down to others that voice an opinion that you do not share is hardly a trait worth having.
Trump does it constantly. All of the incidents with reporters, all the name calling for the many people he hired and praised, but later fired and called them all kinds of names.
I stopped doing that in elementary school, as did most other folks I know. Ignorant is not a name. It's a descriptor. No, actually you didn't. You simply attempt to mask it while making rash opposing statements that simply are not true. An example would be, "I think he is a total failure as a human being, let alone a president." That too is a descriptor but was pointed to an individual rather than to a non-specific type of people. Please get better before you take on a role of holier-than-thou with me. Rash opposing statements that are simply not true ! The truth is Trump does call people names, and has ever since, and even before he got in office. Sleepin' Bob Casey Leakin, Lying, Shady, Slimeball James Comey, Liddle' Bob Corker, Jeff Flakey, Al Frankenstein, Lamb the Sham, Wacky Omarosa, Mad dog,Cheatin' Obama There are plenty more, but I guess it's not true Name-calling is a form of verbal abuse in which insulting or demeaning labels are directed at an individual or group. This phenomenon is studied by a variety of academic disciplines such as anthropology, child psychology, and political science. |
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Rash opposing statements that are simply not true !
The truth is Trump does call people names, and has ever since, and even before he got in office.
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There are plenty more, but I guess it's not true
Name-calling is a form of verbal abuse in which insulting or demeaning labels are directed at an individual or group. This phenomenon is studied by a variety of academic disciplines such as anthropology, child psychology, and political science. Actually I didn't mention name calling being not true of the President. I don't remember your bringing that up before. I too wish the President would not participate in name calling. An example of your not true rash statemants are claims of the lies, including the number of, told by the President. I've looked at the alleged lists. They're laughable at best, pathetic at worst. On the other hand descriptive terms, if true, are certainly not name calling. Blue cars, tall girl, young person are not name calling at all.  |
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Not sure how this quote stuff works, but I think that you calling names ( 'ignorant') is just like Trump.
Talking down to others that voice an opinion that you do not share is hardly a trait worth having.
Trump does it constantly. All of the incidents with reporters, all the name calling for the many people he hired and praised, but later fired and called them all kinds of names.
I stopped doing that in elementary school, as did most other folks I know. Ignorant is not a name. It's a descriptor. No, actually you didn't. You simply attempt to mask it while making rash opposing statements that simply are not true. An example would be, "I think he is a total failure as a human being, let alone a president." That too is a descriptor but was pointed to an individual rather than to a non-specific type of people. Please get better before you take on a role of holier-than-thou with me. Rash opposing statements that are simply not true ! The truth is Trump does call people names, and has ever since, and even before he got in office. Sleepin' Bob Casey Leakin, Lying, Shady, Slimeball James Comey, Liddle' Bob Corker, Jeff Flakey, Al Frankenstein, Lamb the Sham, Wacky Omarosa, Mad dog,Cheatin' Obama There are plenty more, but I guess it's not true Name-calling is a form of verbal abuse in which insulting or demeaning labels are directed at an individual or group. This phenomenon is studied by a variety of academic disciplines such as anthropology, child psychology, and political science. I sure hope you have a “safe space” to go to if your concerns listed really trouble you. Since we have a very narrow choice coming up in November your are going to need it, especially if the Democrats prevail. |
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But, I agree with all his name calling.
Sadly, most of his supporters are just fine with it. While I admit I kinda chuckle at it, I really wish he wouldn't.... But considering the alternative, especially at this point, whatever I don't mind.... I mean, the alternative would be Mt. Rushmore being blown up, the national anthem being switched to John Lennon's communist manifesto Imagine, disarming law abiding gun owners, defunding police departments and more insanity? Yeah.... some silly name calling is VERY much the lesser of 2 evils in this case... |
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I'm glad you too would like to see trump stop the name calling.
But I'm not sure what you are thinking about him not lying.
Some thoughts:
He has repeatedly claimed, more than 200 times, that the US economy is the best it's ever been. While I'm sure we can all agree the economy was doing good, it is a fact that the economy did better under several presidents including Clinton, Johnson, and Eisenhower. He has lied to make himself look good over and over on this one, It's not laughable - it's called a lie
Trump stated well over 100 times on the record that he has passed the "biggest tax cut in history". The bill he passed amounted to the equivalent of 0.9 percent of gross domestic product. Reagan’s tax cut amounted to 2.9 percent of the gross domestic product. Again - a plain lie to try and make him look good
"It is the decision of the President," not governors, to "open up the states." - I'm pretty sure we all knew that for what it was the moment he said it. Yet another lie.
In January trump stated "The Democrat controlled House never even asked John Bolton to testify.". This one is such huge lie
And wasn't there days and days of lies, along with a Sharpie altered map he used to try and say he wasn't wrong about Alabama and Hurricane Dorian ? Yeah, that happened too
Then there are a few hundred lies about the virus. One in particular "the virus will weaken in April, in the warmer months" And the biggest of them all "It's going to disappear. One day it's like a miracle. It's going to disappear."
You may say the list is "at best laughable" but I have to say I find trump's lies far from laughable.
And I certainly think that the only "pathetic" thing here is that the President of the United Stated would be such a serial liar.
Sing his praises when he does something good for the majority of citizens.
But don't turn a blind eye to behavior most people would never accept from a spouse or child.
Lying; name calling and otherwise injury to the good name of others; slander; talebearing; rash judgment; and contemptuous speech are not the traits most of us would find desirable in president
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Nope not even close under slick willy. My 401k was waaaaaay about any past POTUS. If you dont like him fine I an ok with that but he has America First on his mind. Tell me the last one had America in any of his interests. You cant because he hates democracy.
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Trump IS making the economy better than other presidents, IF the dems had not completely closed it down due to Covid we would be reaping some awesome benefits. The fact that trump has created more jobs, cut more expenses, made other countries pay their fair share, taken over the Fed, cut out NAFTA what would have been the long term economy by doing all these measures IF we had not had Covid.
Where would we have been IF he had NOT done all this? So he may be right, since NO other president has taken ALL these measures.
So I can give him some slack on creating the best economy.
Tax cut in surplus is not tax cut when in trouble and the dems don't want it.
I would have to say that you have to compare apples to apples and compare in a fair way.
Calling him a serial liar is leftest speak, not a true evaluation or giving credit where credit is due.
The virus is not bad, the prediction was WAY off and that is why they closed the economy. I dont hear anything from you about this. So we went from mass death down to about .05 percent, about the same as the flu. The things like the hot weather and such actually has turned out to be true. You also do not respond to why does it seem to be the democratically controlled states that are the worst?
I have never seen Trump lie to hide something he has done wrong. He has tooted his own horn or made himself look better but never done one thing to try to hurt the US or cover his own butt. Unlike other presidents have. If he had done something to hide a wrong doing I would agree but this is not the case with him.
Obama in fast and furious lied about it, had his attorneys hide it, stopped freedom of information requests. Used classification to hide the truth, with similar stories about Benghazi and Iranian cash in actual dollars, lied about the Iran nuclear deal, lied about the Paris accord tried to make Israel settle and give away land and lied about all of that and so much more and all you can do is pick on these and expect anyone to be upset. REALLY?
I pick Obama's lies only because they are the most recent and most outrages and could go into other presidents but I don't see the point. I don't think you do either,
Your hatred of Trump is like the scorned husband about the ex wife, there is no benefit of doubt about any good that has been done. What would you like to happen by pointing all this out, things you consider way evil?
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I'm glad you too would like to see trump stop the name calling.
But I'm not sure what you are thinking about him not lying.
Some thoughts:
He has repeatedly claimed, more than 200 times, that the US economy is the best it's ever been. While I'm sure we can all agree the economy was doing good, it is a fact that the economy did better under several presidents including Clinton, Johnson, and Eisenhower. He has lied to make himself look good over and over on this one, It's not laughable - it's called a lie
Trump stated well over 100 times on the record that he has passed the "biggest tax cut in history". The bill he passed amounted to the equivalent of 0.9 percent of gross domestic product. Reagan’s tax cut amounted to 2.9 percent of the gross domestic product. Again - a plain lie to try and make him look good
"It is the decision of the President," not governors, to "open up the states." - I'm pretty sure we all knew that for what it was the moment he said it. Yet another lie.
In January trump stated "The Democrat controlled House never even asked John Bolton to testify.". This one is such huge lie
And wasn't there days and days of lies, along with a Sharpie altered map he used to try and say he wasn't wrong about Alabama and Hurricane Dorian ? Yeah, that happened too
Then there are a few hundred lies about the virus. One in particular "the virus will weaken in April, in the warmer months" And the biggest of them all "It's going to disappear. One day it's like a miracle. It's going to disappear."
You may say the list is "at best laughable" but I have to say I find trump's lies far from laughable.
And I certainly think that the only "pathetic" thing here is that the President of the United Stated would be such a serial liar.
Sing his praises when he does something good for the majority of citizens.
But don't turn a blind eye to behavior most people would never accept from a spouse or child.
Lying; name calling and otherwise injury to the good name of others; slander; talebearing; rash judgment; and contemptuous speech are not the traits most of us would find desirable in president
It certainly appears you would rather bash Trump than just about anything else and you don’t appreciate references to Obama misdeeds so tell us, do you give Biden a pass on his dealings with China, Ukraine, and his creepy hands and sniffing? I’d be fine with no more name calling from Trump, but he’s Trump, and he did it all through the election season in 2016 so I’m for what works. |
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« Reply #68 on: June 25, 2020, 06:58:47 PM » |
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I'm glad you too would like to see trump stop the name calling.
But I'm not sure what you are thinking about him not lying.
Some thoughts:
He has repeatedly claimed, more than 200 times, that the US economy is the best it's ever been. While I'm sure we can all agree the economy was doing good, it is a fact that the economy did better under several presidents including Clinton, Johnson, and Eisenhower. He has lied to make himself look good over and over on this one, It's not laughable - it's called a lie
Trump stated well over 100 times on the record that he has passed the "biggest tax cut in history". The bill he passed amounted to the equivalent of 0.9 percent of gross domestic product. Reagan’s tax cut amounted to 2.9 percent of the gross domestic product. Again - a plain lie to try and make him look good
"It is the decision of the President," not governors, to "open up the states." - I'm pretty sure we all knew that for what it was the moment he said it. Yet another lie.
In January trump stated "The Democrat controlled House never even asked John Bolton to testify.". This one is such huge lie
And wasn't there days and days of lies, along with a Sharpie altered map he used to try and say he wasn't wrong about Alabama and Hurricane Dorian ? Yeah, that happened too
Then there are a few hundred lies about the virus. One in particular "the virus will weaken in April, in the warmer months" And the biggest of them all "It's going to disappear. One day it's like a miracle. It's going to disappear."
You may say the list is "at best laughable" but I have to say I find trump's lies far from laughable.
And I certainly think that the only "pathetic" thing here is that the President of the United Stated would be such a serial liar.
Sing his praises when he does something good for the majority of citizens.
But don't turn a blind eye to behavior most people would never accept from a spouse or child.
Lying; name calling and otherwise injury to the good name of others; slander; talebearing; rash judgment; and contemptuous speech are not the traits most of us would find desirable in president
Please note that I didn't say the President has never spoken incorrectly or even that he didn't ever "lie". I did say that the long list of alleged lies is laughable. Even your short list invokes a response of, "Are you kidding!" To keep things civil I will withdraw from this conversation at this point. Youy and I justifying our positions was not what this thread was supposed to be about anyway. |
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« Reply #69 on: June 25, 2020, 06:59:11 PM » |
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Trump IS making the economy better than other presidents, IF the dems had not completely closed it down due to Covid we would be reaping some awesome benefits. The fact that trump has created more jobs, cut more expenses, made other countries pay their fair share, taken over the Fed, cut out NAFTA what would have been the long term economy by doing all these measures IF we had not had Covid.
Where would we have been IF he had NOT done all this? So he may be right, since NO other president has taken ALL these measures.
So I can give him some slack on creating the best economy.
Tax cut in surplus is not tax cut when in trouble and the dems don't want it.
I would have to say that you have to compare apples to apples and compare in a fair way.
Calling him a serial liar is leftest speak, not a true evaluation or giving credit where credit is due.
The virus is not bad, the prediction was WAY off and that is why they closed the economy. So we went from mass death to about .05 percent, about the same as the flu. The things like the hot weather and such actually has turned out to be true.
I have never seen Trump lie to hide something he has done wrong. He has tooted his own horn or made himself look better but never done one thing to try to hurt the US or cover his own butt. Unlike other presidents have. If he had done something to hide a wrong doing I would agree but this is not the case with him.
Obama in fast and furious lied about it, had his attorneys hide it, stopped freedom of information requests. Used classification to hide the truth, with similar stories about Benghazi and Iranian cash in actual dollars, lied about the Iran nuclear deal, lied about the Paris accord tried to make Israel settle and give away land and lied about all of :Pthat and so much more and all you can do is pick on these and expect anyone to be upset. REALLY?
I pick Obama's lies only because they are the most recent and most outrages and could go into other presidents but I dont see the point. I don't think you do either,
Your hatred of Trump is like the scorned husband about the ex wife, there is no benefit of doubt about any good that has been done.
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« Reply #70 on: June 25, 2020, 06:59:49 PM » |
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But, I agree with all his name calling.
Sadly, most of his supporters are just fine with it. You have polled "most" of the President's supporters? |
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« Reply #71 on: June 25, 2020, 07:00:40 PM » |
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Sing his praises when he does something good for the majority of citizens.
But don't turn a blind eye to behavior most people would never accept from a spouse or child.
I wasn't voting for a spouse. I was voting for a leader who would do good things for the majority of citizens. He has been working his butt off to do so despite unprecedented "resistance". Without pay. |
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« Reply #72 on: June 25, 2020, 07:02:08 PM » |
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But, I agree with all his name calling.
Sadly, most of his supporters are just fine with it. You have polled "most" of the President's supporters? In retirement I was able to invest my 401k into a world class polling company. I get the latest and greatest results.  |
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« Reply #73 on: June 25, 2020, 07:05:41 PM » |
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But, I agree with all his name calling.
Sadly, most of his supporters are just fine with it. You have polled "most" of the President's supporters? In retirement I was able to invest my 401k into a world class polling company. I get the latest and greatest results. You better hope T stays in power or that investment will go to rebuilding the autonomous zones.  |
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« Reply #74 on: June 28, 2020, 12:49:32 AM » |
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So sorry to resurrect this thread... but I was called a troll... I only check in on the general board to get a laugh...
By the way I wasn't around because I had to attend the funeral of my brother in law. He was an ex colonel in the military who gave to the NRA and trump and religiously listened to fox. But died in his sleep in Wisconsin in perfect health other than you all know what,... that virus that is just fake news.
If you look at any overview of history you will note that the rise of populism often results in the destruction of peaceful civilizations. It's not the flower children who bring them down. It is the group of folks that believe that there are others who are benefiting more than they are. Largely made up of people that are afraid of change.
Along come leaders who praise the past as better than the future that they are facing. Telling any one who will listen ... all that they are losing and going to lose to "them others." Their words resonating with the followers fears.
The real reason that the great civilizations fail is because they don't embrace the change, that is inevitable.
They don't try to incorporate it into their thinking. The train of the future has left the station.
We have spent 3+ years ,not looking forward , to deal with whats coming but focused on undoing any and everything that we have been told is wrong with primarily the past administration.
The corporations are the ones who really got the tax cuts... the repatriated monies went where??? mostly to buy back stock...american corporations were more cash rich than they had been in a Generation....
Who are the real beneficiaries??? Investors... those of us who are fortunate to be invested ... not the workers...
You have been told about how great the economy is, for whom , certainly for the wealthy again not for the workers. The level of the DOW is a good measure of what??? how well most of us are doing or the one percenters that artificially pump it up because they must or everything collapses . Our financial system is a house of cards.benefiting a few and our dear mister trump and congress ,HIS swamp, are recipients.
The future is bleak for workers... right now you can't buy even 1/2 of what your purchasing power was in 1969 with a minimum wage job. And to add insult to injury...american workers productivity is more than 100 percent greater. 2 times as much productivity on less than 1/2 the income. Who is reaping those rewards???
in the next 10 to 20 years... there wont be any OTR truck drivers, few factory jobs because of automation.
McDonalds restaurants operate with skeleton crews because of automation. Workers are being replaced in all walks of life due to many costs of employing a human, ...healthcare, workmans comp ins. liability ins., the reasons boil down to the fact that corporate profits are more important than any of us...
The current administration is much more interested in looking good to it supporters than really addressing their futures or for that matter what is best for this nation as we inevitably barrel into the changes that await us.
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« Reply #75 on: June 28, 2020, 01:55:37 AM » |
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By the way I wasn't around because I had to attend the funeral of my brother in law. He was an ex colonel in the military who gave to the NRA and trump and religiously listened to fox. But died in his sleep in Wisconsin in perfect health other than you all know what,... that virus that is just fake news.
Sorry for your loss first and foremost. But in all you mentioned about the future I think you will find the real cause of the end of great societies was, corruption. Kennedy tried to tell everyone, many who came after were part of it. Even ones that came before it were part of it. Trump is battling it and we see it today in current events, even down to the mayors and governors not following the rule of law, or even their oath of office, corruption. This country was founded on freedom, God given rights, that included the right to put each persons rights above the statehood. Those rights only to be taken away if they are a criminal. It was the grand experiment in respecting each mans sovereignty of his own life and the idea that each man would respect that of his fellow man. Its the state that serves the person and not the other way around. Its these ideas that put into each mans heart. Peace, love justice, each mans common good, reputable ways to address the grievances of each that feel they are wronged. The idea that no man is above another and that the ultimate judge, law giver, and one who bestows rights is God. Its with this ideas that men bound one to another to form the US and try to hold fast to these principles. The earliest easily identifiable corruption here in the US was the Federal Reserve. The changing of common law to civil law, the civil war, and most of the wars, the killing of Kennedy, the removal of God from this country and so much more that many novels could be written about it. The idea of enslaving citizens, putting any government over the rights of its people, or allowing any corruption in that government will cause the failure of societies. No man wants to be a slave, most men will not respect the rights of citizens once given power, many men will not do whats fair for another man. Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other. No man is good enough to govern another man without the other's consent. Abraham Lincoln This in broad brush is what destroys societies, the thinking that a few can come and change societies usually at their own benefit. I would look to past presidents to see who benefited the most and who benefited the least. That is why a man who was a honorable man, that gave service to his country, died upholding his oath, to uphold and serve the constitution of the US. He believed wholly in these ideals and even the founders made the military swear an oath, not to the government but to the constitution. Again I am sorry for our loss, what little you said, he sounded like a great man, in devoting himself to fulfilling the ideals in service to a country and to other men, I hope that one day you will see what he saw in not only this country but in this president. |
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« Reply #76 on: June 28, 2020, 08:52:40 AM » |
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So sorry to resurrect this thread... but I was called a troll... I only check in on the general board to get a laugh...
By the way I wasn't around because I had to attend the funeral of my brother in law. He was an ex colonel in the military who gave to the NRA and trump and religiously listened to fox. But died in his sleep in Wisconsin in perfect health other than you all know what,... that virus that is just fake news.
If you look at any overview of history you will note that the rise of populism often results in the destruction of peaceful civilizations. It's not the flower children who bring them down. It is the group of folks that believe that there are others who are benefiting more than they are. Largely made up of people that are afraid of change.
Along come leaders who praise the past as better than the future that they are facing. Telling any one who will listen ... all that they are losing and going to lose to "them others." Their words resonating with the followers fears.
The real reason that the great civilizations fail is because they don't embrace the change, that is inevitable.
They don't try to incorporate it into their thinking. The train of the future has left the station.
We have spent 3+ years ,not looking forward , to deal with whats coming but focused on undoing any and everything that we have been told is wrong with primarily the past administration.
The corporations are the ones who really got the tax cuts... the repatriated monies went where??? mostly to buy back stock...american corporations were more cash rich than they had been in a Generation....
Who are the real beneficiaries??? Investors... those of us who are fortunate to be invested ... not the workers...
You have been told about how great the economy is, for whom , certainly for the wealthy again not for the workers. The level of the DOW is a good measure of what??? how well most of us are doing or the one percenters that artificially pump it up because they must or everything collapses . Our financial system is a house of cards.benefiting a few and our dear mister trump and congress ,HIS swamp, are recipients.
The future is bleak for workers... right now you can't buy even 1/2 of what your purchasing power was in 1969 with a minimum wage job. And to add insult to injury...american workers productivity is more than 100 percent greater. 2 times as much productivity on less than 1/2 the income. Who is reaping those rewards???
in the next 10 to 20 years... there wont be any OTR truck drivers, few factory jobs because of automation.
McDonalds restaurants operate with skeleton crews because of automation. Workers are being replaced in all walks of life due to many costs of employing a human, ...healthcare, workmans comp ins. liability ins., the reasons boil down to the fact that corporate profits are more important than any of us...
The current administration is much more interested in looking good to it supporters than really addressing their futures or for that matter what is best for this nation as we inevitably barrel into the changes that await us.
Sorry if you got your feelings hurt but you did state you only come to the general board for laughs. Your observations could hold some merit but I don’t see what you are seeing and this is just one example. I live just a few miles from I-75. Four years ago it was a well traveled road used by commuters and vacationers and the like, after four years of Trump economics it’s full of trucks going North and South constantly 24 hours a day. I’m sure the rich got richer under Trump but isn’t that what usually happens anyway? At least until the pandemic, didn’t everyone who wanted a job, able to find one? I could go on but you probably haven’t read this far. |
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MUST READ… Report: Tulsa Arena Management Sabotaged Trump Rally Attendance An article published several days ago written by an anonymous attendee made the claim that the management for the BOK Center in Tulsa, Oklahoma sabotaged attendance for the campaign rally by President Trump held there last Saturday resulting in thousands of empty seats in the BOK Center and the cancellation of plans for Trump and Vice President Pence to speak to an expected overflow crowd of thousands on a stage set up just outside the arena before speaking at the rally inside. The fire marshal and arena management put attendance at just over 6,000 while the Trump campaign claimed 12,000 had cleared metal detectors. A June 25 report by Armstrong Economics claimed that early in the day on Saturday BOK Center staff had placed stickers on every other seat in the arena barring use thereby cutting in half the attendance of the 19,199 seat arena. That report was not corroborated until Friday and Saturday when Billboard and the Washington Post respectively reported on the stickers and pushback by the Trump campaign that had campaign workers peeling the stickers off the seats right before the rally. The other allegations of sabotage made by the attendee are that BOK Center temperature screeners were pulled off the job hours early, thereby making it impossible for rally attendees to get the green wristbands needed to advance to the Secret Service metal detectors for entry into the arena and the overflow stage area for the Trump and Pence speeches, and that cleared attendees were only allowed inside the arena in groups of one hundred at a time. The Washington Post reported Saturday that the BOK Center purchased 12,000 stickers to block off seats which would have brought attendance to around 7,000 in the 19,199 seat venue–close to what the head of AEG gloat-tweeted the night of the rally. Billboard was first to report on the seat sticker controversy with an article published Friday (excerpt): Hours before President Donald Trump took the stage last Saturday at the BOK Center in Tulsa, Oklahoma, for his first rally in the COVID-19 era, arena workers were busy labeling thousands of seats with “Do Not Sit Here Please!” stickers to promote social distancing, part of a new safety protocol at the arena known as VenueShield. https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/06/report-tulsa-arena-management-sabotaged-trump-rally-attendance/ |
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MUST READ… Report: Tulsa Arena Management Sabotaged Trump Rally Attendance An article published several days ago written by an anonymous attendee made the claim that the management for the BOK Center in Tulsa, Oklahoma sabotaged attendance for the campaign rally by President Trump held there last Saturday resulting in thousands of empty seats in the BOK Center and the cancellation of plans for Trump and Vice President Pence to speak to an expected overflow crowd of thousands on a stage set up just outside the arena before speaking at the rally inside. The fire marshal and arena management put attendance at just over 6,000 while the Trump campaign claimed 12,000 had cleared metal detectors. A June 25 report by Armstrong Economics claimed that early in the day on Saturday BOK Center staff had placed stickers on every other seat in the arena barring use thereby cutting in half the attendance of the 19,199 seat arena. That report was not corroborated until Friday and Saturday when Billboard and the Washington Post respectively reported on the stickers and pushback by the Trump campaign that had campaign workers peeling the stickers off the seats right before the rally. The other allegations of sabotage made by the attendee are that BOK Center temperature screeners were pulled off the job hours early, thereby making it impossible for rally attendees to get the green wristbands needed to advance to the Secret Service metal detectors for entry into the arena and the overflow stage area for the Trump and Pence speeches, and that cleared attendees were only allowed inside the arena in groups of one hundred at a time. The Washington Post reported Saturday that the BOK Center purchased 12,000 stickers to block off seats which would have brought attendance to around 7,000 in the 19,199 seat venue–close to what the head of AEG gloat-tweeted the night of the rally. Billboard was first to report on the seat sticker controversy with an article published Friday (excerpt): Hours before President Donald Trump took the stage last Saturday at the BOK Center in Tulsa, Oklahoma, for his first rally in the COVID-19 era, arena workers were busy labeling thousands of seats with “Do Not Sit Here Please!” stickers to promote social distancing, part of a new safety protocol at the arena known as VenueShield. https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/06/report-tulsa-arena-management-sabotaged-trump-rally-attendance/Really??? |
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« Reply #79 on: June 29, 2020, 10:30:49 PM » |
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Still will NEVER add up to the lie of the century......... If you like your insurance, your doctor, your providing site........ YOU CAN KEEP THEM and everybody will save $2,500 a year! And then there was the lie told over and over and over and over and over again............ Shovel ready jobs are hitting the ground. Oh and let's not forget that a video caused it all. You can add up all of Trumps fibs about crowd size and such and NEVER come close to real world B u l l s h i t the last guy spewed. LOLOLOL....B...B...B...BUT OBAMA. Still? You do know he left office almost 4 years ago, right? The LIE OF THE CENTURY ?????? REALLY ????? I want to hear your thoughts when your guy removes health coverage for pre-existing conditions. Which even to this day, he promises to keep those protections. Isn't the ACA on the SC docket in the next few days? I believe that's on the block..... https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/trumps-protecting-pre-existing-conditions-full-answer-if-obamacare-undone-2020-3-1028974204I hope you and yours don't get hurt by that if it comes to pass. And then there's Social Security and Medicare. He swears up and down that he's not going to touch it. If you believe it, well, I just don't know what to say to you. https://www.vox.com/2020/2/10/21131316/trump-2021-budget-entitlement-cutshttps://www.fool.com/retirement/2020/06/19/3-ways-trump-has-proposed-cutting-social-security.aspxHe is the poster child for "How do you know he's lying? His lips are moving." So you're wasting your breath if you're trying to compare Presidential lies. That's one thing that your guy is NUMBER ONE in.....!!!! So there's that. B B B But wait, all the things you mentioned about Trump above are projections, guesses of what might or might not be. You're claiming he's lying before anything has even been done with regards to the topics you've mentioned. So in reality, YOU are comparing real, actual, lies to a guess. And, unfortunately for you, the last guy will always be compared to the present guy. Bush was blamed by Obama for EVERYTHING. As long as there is a comparison to made, Obama is shite out of luck. Maybe if he was a better President we wouldn't have so much ammunition. |
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