So a mob comes onto your property

[98valk]

threatening you.
with a limited arsenal which would you confront them with?
These are your only choices.

1.  Ruger 22LR  10 rounds
2.  Hi-Point 9mm Carbine 10 rounds
3.  marlin 30/30 level action
4.  mossberg 12ga. 590 riot shot gun

[..]

threatening you.
with a limited arsenal which would you confront them with?
These are your only choices.

1.  Ruger 22LR  10 rounds
2.  Hi-Point 9mm Carbine 10 rounds
3.  marlin 30/30 level action
4.  mossberg 12ga. 590 riot shot gun

How many shells do I have for #4?   

[Dagwood]

As these are the only options, I would lean toward #4. But we all now know the only true option is to confront the mob with a properly trained social services person who can address their issues properly 

[Patrick]

Definitely #4. Maybe not a Mossberg, but,  a shotgun, probably more than one. I always have cases of 12 ga.

I'd also have the Byrna ready, once its delivered. 

[Jess from VA]

Assuming anyone in the mob has a brain, no one wants to be the first one shot with a shotgun.  So you lead with that.  While center of mass is the usual target, if the mob is packed together, shoot across the heads of multiple targets with each shot.  

Carry the shotgun (pointed at people) in your hands.  And carry the 9mm carbine on the sling over your shoulder (with extra loaded mags).  When the shotgun is empty, drop it and go to to the carbine.

Have the wife use the Ruger from a window (avoiding hitting you if possible), working on anyone trying to flank you.

Marlin just inside the door, ready to go (if you have to fall back).  

In case someone is videoing the exercise, keep a big wad of band-aids in your pocket to throw at the wounded, giving the impression you are delivering first aid in compassion (if you have time).  

[98valk]

Definitely #4. Maybe not a Mossberg, but,  a shotgun, probably more than one. I always have cases of 12 ga.

I'd also have the Byrna ready, once its delivered.  

why not a mossberg? I have heard this before however they sell large numbers.

[DirtyDan]

Learning early that pump action shotguns (#4) and I don’t get along I would expand the list to include revolvers (357/44s)

Just my .2 $

Dan

[DIGGER]

I would think a shotgun would be the best when greatly outnumberd.....but you need two shotguns.....1 a 12 guage  
3 1/2” with #1 buckshot and a full choke for 80-100 yards, then a semi auto 12 gauge with # 1 shot and a modified barrel or improved cylinder choke for up close.......i just happen to have both.    

[Patrick]

Definitely #4. Maybe not a Mossberg, but,  a shotgun, probably more than one. I always have cases of 12 ga.

I'd also have the Byrna ready, once its delivered. 

why not a mossberg? I have heard this before however the sell large numbers.

I have a Mossberg 500, can'r remember the last time it was in my hands. Can't remember why I bought it, oh, W T Grants was going out of business and it was on sale for about $50 I think if I remember correctly. Maybe the newer ones are better. A friend bought one a few years ago and it was still clunky. They're inexpensive and will probably go bang when the trigger is pulled. If you're not going to use it very often its probably just fine. If you're in the market for a shotgun I would suggest looking at a lot of them and shooting them if able, then make a decision.

I just happen to have a number of shotguns, about 30. The Winchester model 12's are my favorite pump gun . A double barrel in ones face is pretty intimidating. I'm more of an auto loader guy tho.

[98valk]

Definitely #4. Maybe not a Mossberg, but,  a shotgun, probably more than one. I always have cases of 12 ga.

I'd also have the Byrna ready, once its delivered. 

why not a mossberg? I have heard this before however the sell large numbers.

I have a Mossberg 500, can'r remember the last time it was in my hands. Can't remember why I bought it, oh, W T Grants was going out of business and it was on sale for about $50 I think if I remember correctly. Maybe the newer ones are better. A friend bought one a few years ago and it was still clunky. They're inexpensive and will probably go bang when the trigger is pulled. If you're not going to use it very often its probably just fine. If you're in the market for a shotgun I would suggest looking at a lot of them and shooting them if able, then make a decision.

I just happen to have a number of shotguns, about 30. The Winchester model 12's are my favorite pump gun . A double barrel in ones face is pretty intimidating. I'm more of an auto loader guy tho.

WT Grants, u are really dating yourself there Pat.  LOL

[98valk]

Assuming anyone in the mob has a brain, no one wants to be the first one shot with a shotgun.  So you lead with that.  While center of mass is the usual target, if the mob is packed together, shoot across the heads of multiple targets with each shot.  

Carry the shotgun (pointed at people) in your hands.  And carry the 9mm carbine on the sling over your shoulder (with extra loaded mags).  When the shotgun is empty, drop it and go to to the carbine.

Have the wife use the Ruger from a window (avoiding hitting you if possible), working on anyone trying to flank you.

Marlin just inside the door, ready to go (if you have to fall back).  

In case someone is videoing the exercise, keep a big wad of band-aids in your pocket to throw at the wounded, giving the impression you are delivering first aid in compassion (if you have time).  

That's a nice plan.

[Patrick]

Definitely #4. Maybe not a Mossberg, but,  a shotgun, probably more than one. I always have cases of 12 ga.

I'd also have the Byrna ready, once its delivered. 

why not a mossberg? I have heard this before however the sell large numbers.

I have a Mossberg 500, can'r remember the last time it was in my hands. Can't remember why I bought it, oh, W T Grants was going out of business and it was on sale for about $50 I think if I remember correctly. Maybe the newer ones are better. A friend bought one a few years ago and it was still clunky. They're inexpensive and will probably go bang when the trigger is pulled. If you're not going to use it very often its probably just fine. If you're in the market for a shotgun I would suggest looking at a lot of them and shooting them if able, then make a decision.

I just happen to have a number of shotguns, about 30. The Winchester model 12's are my favorite pump gun . A double barrel in ones face is pretty intimidating. I'm more of an auto loader guy tho.

WT Grants, u are really dating yourself there Pat.  LOL

Yep, I'm well into my back 9.

[Jess from VA]

Assuming anyone in the mob has a brain, no one wants to be the first one shot with a shotgun.  So you lead with that.  While center of mass is the usual target, if the mob is packed together, shoot across the heads of multiple targets with each shot.  

Carry the shotgun (pointed at people) in your hands.  And carry the 9mm carbine on the sling over your shoulder (with extra loaded mags).  When the shotgun is empty, drop it and go to to the carbine.

Have the wife use the Ruger from a window (avoiding hitting you if possible), working on anyone trying to flank you.

Marlin just inside the door, ready to go (if you have to fall back).  

In case someone is videoing the exercise, keep a big wad of band-aids in your pocket to throw at the wounded, giving the impression you are delivering first aid in compassion (if you have time).  

That's a nice plan.

It's not bad.

It's always good to have a plan.  You almost always get a more harmonious result.

[cookiedough]

seeing as how I have 1, 3, and 4 (no 9mm),  I would choose as well no. 4 the mossberg 500 pump with buckshot or similar shot severely injuring or killing hopefully more than 1 at a time with 1 shot.  Never had an issue with both my mossberg 500's going thru several 100's of rounds over the decades owning them since late 1980s.    ONLY issue is when they made the later ones with a plastic safety switch it cracked in two so went back to a metal one.    Cheap, reliable shotguns.    A shotgun goes BANG much louder and more intimidating so maybe the crowd backs off.  Wife can reload both my mossbergs and I keep firing like the 'rifleman'  TV show until my shoulder wears out from the kick.  I shot once about 25 rounds in a row with 12 gauge slug man that bruised up my shoulder/armpit area and that barrel was HOT....

A 22 though usually can get more single shots off and has more capacity but not sure on enough knock down power, so maybe a 9mm is the way to go.  My 30-30 is not Marlin, but Winchester, but I can rapid fire that like the Rifleman TV show Chuck O Connor did (well almost not really - LOL)  with a lot less kick than the 12 gauge around same 6 shell capacity as a 12 gauge and as far as reloading about the same quickness as my 12 gauge as well.  So, less kick means more easier firing right?

Man,  that is a tough call to decide so many pros and cons of each caliber.

[Robert]

Mossberg 590M Shockwave 12 Gauge Firearm with detachable 10 round mag with 00 buck. The equivalent of 9, 38 caliber rounds with a 10 round mag. Roughly 1100 fps with enough stopping power to put them down, now. Pattern spread at close range is not bad and you still have some distance too. Control is the biggest issue but not really with some practice. You can also use 1 oz slugs or even bird shot. Anything you put in their direction is going to make them think. 

To far away or to powerful and hitting someone else makes repercussions of the encounter more likely. When someone looks like they just got hit like in the movies the shock and awe is going to be enough to make anyone think. Social services will have to be employed at the scene for comforting those who got a firm dose of reality and to know it was not a fake scene like out of the Matrix.

[JimC]

Shotgun with 00Buck. 00 Buck is the equivalent to firing 9 -.22 cal. rounds at one time.

When working midnight's and clearing buildings, I had a choice between an AR-15, my .40 cal., or the shotgun. I grabbed the shotgun every time. Something to be said about a 15-16 inch group at 20 yards while working in unfamiliar, dimly lit surroundings.

Jim

[Jess from VA]

OO Buck is not 9 .38s (which are really .36s) or 9 .22s.... it is 9 .33 cal lead balls.

And from an 18.5" barrel, they are moving at or over 1300 fps, not 1100.

And the 9 pellets is in a std 2 3/4" shell.  You get more pellets in 3" (15 ) and 3.5" (18 ) magnum OO bucks (but with less shots in the magazine, and much more recoil).

Now a 20 gauge is reportedly 3/4 of the power (and throw weight) of the 12 gauge, but only just a bit more than half the recoil.  (Though the gas operated semiauto shotgun has less recoil than any other type shotgun, in any gauge).  The 20 gauge is reportedly about the same power (and throw weight) as 2 .44mag cartridges, together.  For shooting at waterfowl and clay pigeons (distance), the 12 gauge gives a big edge in spread, but for humans at close range the 20 gauge is a very good choice.  Especially if a wife may need to use it (except the butt stocks are often too long).

Says the guy with 3 12's and no 20's.

Here is a very nice 20 gauge gas semiauto, with pistol grip, ghost ring rear sight and bright red fiber optic front sight.  https://www.mossberg.com/product/mossberg-international-sa-20-railed-pistol-grip-75780/

And the 3-shot extension Mossberg doesn't offer (from Choate).  https://www.riflestock.com/store/product/mossberg-sa20-20ga-8-shot-magazine-extension/

[G-Man]

As these are the only options, I would lean toward #4. But we all now know the only true option is to confront the mob with a properly trained social services person who can address their issues properly 

             

[G-Man]

Well, since I own the Mossberg 590 Tactical, I guess that's my choice.  I also have a old WWI Italian rifle that has a six bullet cartridge.  Hasn't been fired in over 35 years though.

But seriously, this is a very real thing..........  Mob broke down iron gate at front entrance of private community, peacefully of course.  Threatened to kill them and their dogs.

These Americans who were executing their 2nd amendment rights are now slammed across the country as racists with their names and address provided.  He had to board up his law practice office due to threats.

[MarkT]

I noticed on the video of this couple this evening the woman had her finger on the trigger.  Couldn't tell for sure on him but looked like the same.  I'd say they aren't real shooters but get their training from movies.

I'd take the Mossberg of those choices,  but prefer my Rock Island Arsenal tactical 12.  Also my Henry 45-70 over the 30/30.  My Ruger .44mag carbine over the 9mm.  The 10/22 is better than rocks but not much for stopping power.  Need head shots, not good with a mob.

[Robert]

I am disheartened that the protecting of ones property is now considered, wrong.  

38 Special cartridge is actually . 357 inches (36 caliber/9.07 mm), with the ". 38" referring to the approximate diameter of the loaded brass case.

If you are referring to a . 22 rimfire, they typically are 40 grains in weight and have a diameter of 0.221 inches

So for comparison purposes it is essentially a 38 since shape and diameter of the actual bullet can vary and the lead or steel 00 buck can be any size within a range. Nominal diameter is 330" (8.38 mm) 53.8 grains each with a total load of 484.2 grains, while the 38 is about the same diameter with a weight of 125 to 150 grains.

As for FPS it depends on how hot the charge is and the weight and size of the balls, pattern could also be changed if the shotgun has a choke in the barrel to adjust for range and shot density. Although for this type of gun there is usually not a choke.

But it definitely is not a 22 and I never minded the recoil. If I was a woman or small man or not up to knowing the charge then 20 gauge may work well. Since its not a long range weapon I really don't like the stock it only seems to get in the way. Gas operated is good but cambering a round with both hands on the gun and makes for a pretty convincing moment when the other person thinks is it worth the fight.

Federal - F32 Buckshot 9 pellet - 00 - Reduced Recoil 1140 fps 1402 energy
   
I would always go for the bigger caliber if offered in a less charge and lower grain bullet. Since it allows more of a wider range of available options. Also you can accommodate less recoil and when the need arises just change ammo and you can have it at full power. Weight would also be another factor since a larger caliber is usually a heavier gun.

All of this takes knowing and shooting for preference and most will never do this.

A 357 can use a 38 and the recoil is much less but you have a dual chamber option, much better choice for me at least.

[DIGGER]

seeing as how I have 1, 3, and 4 (no 9mm),  I would choose as well no. 4 the mossberg 500 pump with buckshot or similar shot severely injuring or killing hopefully more than 1 at a time with 1 shot.  Never had an issue with both my mossberg 500's going thru several 100's of rounds over the decades owning them since late 1980s.    ONLY issue is when they made the later ones with a plastic safety switch it cracked in two so went back to a metal one.    Cheap, reliable shotguns.    A shotgun goes BANG much louder and more intimidating so maybe the crowd backs off.  Wife can reload both my mossbergs and I keep firing like the 'rifleman'  TV show until my shoulder wears out from the kick.  I shot once about 25 rounds in a row with 12 gauge slug man that bruised up my shoulder/armpit area and that barrel was HOT....

A 22 though usually can get more single shots off and has more capacity but not sure on enough knock down power, so maybe a 9mm is the way to go.  My 30-30 is not Marlin, but Winchester, but I can rapid fire that like the Rifleman TV show Chuck O Connor did (well almost not really - LOL)  with a lot less kick than the 12 gauge around same 6 shell capacity as a 12 gauge and as far as reloading about the same quickness as my 12 gauge as well.  So, less kick means more easier firing right?

Man,  that is a tough call to decide so many pros and cons of each caliber.

I have had quite a few 22 semi auto rifles in my life and have never had one that was reliable   They all jam occasionally and when trying to stop a mob I would need something more reliable

[Patrick]

A reliable .22 ?    Look into a Browning SA22. Had one [ and the Remington model] for 50 yrs. Shot many a coon with them and never a failure. Great little plinker, used to cut down trees with them.

[Patrick]

I watched the video of the couple protecting their home also. I too would prefer the shotgun, but, everyone seems to be scared of those bad black 'assault' rifles.  Apparently those nice peaceful protestors were on their way to the mayors home and had to pass by this couples home. I'm waiting breathlessly to hear what happens to nice protestors.

[Robert]

Cops Side With Armed St. Louis Homeowners, Investigate Protesters For 'Assault By Intimidation'
 

"I am alarmed at the events that occurred over the weekend, where peaceful protesters were met by guns and a violent assault," said Gardner, who says she's working with police to investigate the confrontation according to Fox19, "We must protect the right to peacefully protest, and any attempt to chill it through intimidation or threat of deadly force will not be tolerated."

Gardner failed to mention that the protesters were on private property when the 'peaceful protest' occurred, or that the protesters 'peacefully' broke down a gate to gain entry.

Meanwhile, McCloskey attorney Albert Watkins told the Associated Press on Monday that his clients support Black Lives Matter, and only grabbed their guns after several white protesters 'violently threatened the couple and their property and that of their neighbors,' according to Fox.

"The most important thing for them is that their images (holding the guns) don’t become the basis for a rallying cry for people who oppose the Black Lives Matter message," said Watkins. "They want to make it really clear that they believe the Black Lives Matter message is important."

[98valk]

I watched the video of the couple protecting their home also. I too would prefer the shotgun, but, everyone seems to be scared of those bad black 'assault' rifles.  Apparently those nice peaceful protestors were on their way to the mayors home and had to pass by this couples home. I'm waiting breathlessly to hear what happens to nice protestors.

in background you can hear one of the muslim mob members say "he has an automatic rifle" something like that but does state "auto".

[Oss]

M 18 Claymores
Yeah I know probably excess but what is the use if there wont be a happy ending to the zombie apocalypse


but this is just a hypothetical right?


A peaceful protest does not enter onto private property. If it does it is neither peaceful nor
a protest, it is an invasion

[cookiedough]

Once they break down a fence and go on private property is no longer a peaceful protest, get arrested, get off private property when asked ONLY once, or get shot.   They have 3 choices in my eyes.

I caught my neighbors kid age 12 or so months ago snooping in my garage not going into my garage just outside the garage door peeking in and walked out told her to go home and keep on her own property.  What if this was at 10 p.m. or later at night and dark and I came out seeing her snooping?  Not good outcome but then I should be closing my garage door at night anyways.  Lately I have been closing my garage door during the day as well one never knows since more and more young kids are driving their bikes up and down our street neighbor kids who I do not trust.   2 years ago I saw that same house with the parents (or Dad) not anywhere to be found with about a 5-6 year old skinny girl attempting to push a lawn mower thru the foot tall grass unable to even push it mowing their grass.  Saw the Dad come out finally helping her push it which she could not.  What parent has their skinny 5 year old girl push a lawn mower attempting to mow their foot tall grass?  

One does not see a mob coming onto my property, but burgalers at night have been seen in this small rural town at night had a neighbor some 15 or so years ago finding a guy trying to break thru the open screen patio door mesh attempting to get into the house at night.  The owner whom I know chased after the attempted robber in their backyard but never caught him.    I keep forgetting to lock my patio screen sliding door leaving it closed but unlocked so anyone in my backyard at night when watching TV in living room could easily come on in easy enough but I am only 15 feet away could hear it open am sure.  Outcome would not be good either but really should after say 9 p.m. when dark at night close my patio main glass sliding door and lock it just in case since no neighbors in my backyard just a farmers field to the hwy. some 100 yards away.

[G-Man]

M 18 Claymores
Yeah I know probably excess but what is the use if there wont be a happy ending to the zombie apocalypse


but this is just a hypothetical right?


A peaceful protest does not enter onto private property. If it does it is neither peaceful nor
a protest, it is an invasion

Yo, remember, we spoke about this exact thing over a piece of your birthday cake a couple weeks ago, and here we are.......... 

[98valk]

M 18 Claymores
Yeah I know probably excess but what is the use if there wont be a happy ending to the zombie apocalypse


but this is just a hypothetical right?


A peaceful protest does not enter onto private property. If it does it is neither peaceful nor
a protest, it is an invasion

OSS what is your opinion on this?

https://www.barneslawllp.com/blog/police-not-required-protect

“To Protect and to Serve[1]” – the ubiquitous creed emblazoned across millions of police cars throughout Los Angeles and indeed the United States. This motto is consistent with the common belief that police officers as well as other law enforcement officers are here to protect us. After all, we are all taught to dial 9-1-1 when we need help. Subject to narrow exceptions[2], the United States Constitution does not require law enforcement officers to protect you from other people, according to the U.S. Supreme Court. This notion contradicts our engrained perceptions, but it’s still the law today.

[scooperhsd]

I'm  in favor of using whatever will inflict max casualties with minimum effort on my part - be it shotgun, AR15,  landmines - whatever.

[RP#62]

So, belt-fed weapons aren't an option?

-RP

[DirtyDan]

So, belt-fed weapons aren't an option?

-RP

Belt........?

How about a hose ?

Dan

[..]

More here

https://www.bizpacreview.com/2020/06/30/youre-next-armed-st-louis-couple-speaks-out-about-what-really-happened-and-it-doesnt-fit-lefts-narrative-one-bit-941040?fbclid=IwAR27H0D5wNEEHZGHGJjAs7x2vvmt0IXMW7ZoW4q6BJhEiYQKWbwEBerZYD4

[Jess from VA]

Except he needs to put the wife out front (at all times).

[The emperor has no clothes]

I noticed on the video of this couple this evening the woman had her finger on the trigger.  Couldn't tell for sure on him but looked like the same.  I'd say they aren't real shooters but get their training from movies.

From the pics I saw, I felt the same. It also seemed odd they were both out there in bare feet. I'm a big pussy when it comes to running around outside.

[Willow]

I noticed on the video of this couple this evening the woman had her finger on the trigger.  Couldn't tell for sure on him but looked like the same.  I'd say they aren't real shooters but get their training from movies.

From the pics I saw, I felt the same. It also seemed odd they were both out there in bare feet. I'm a big pussy when it comes to running around outside.

I guess I must not have been trained as well by the U.S.M.C. or it just didn't take.  If I show you my weapon I am prepared to use it.  When I'm prepared to use it my finger is on the trigger and I don't point it anywhere I'm unwilling for it to go.  If I kill someone it will be small comfort to them that I was not a real shooter (target shooter?).

LOL, meathead.  It appears the couple in the video are not the pussies that you confess to being.     (If someone is breaking onto my property I don't think stopping to put on my shoes is a good strategy.   

[DirtyDan]

I noticed on the video of this couple this evening the woman had her finger on the trigger.  Couldn't tell for sure on him but looked like the same.  I'd say they aren't real shooters but get their training from movies.

From the pics I saw, I felt the same. It also seemed odd they were both out there in bare feet. I'm a big pussy when it comes to running around outside.

I guess I must not have been trained as well by the U.S.M.C. or it just didn't take.  If I show you my weapon I am prepared to use it.  When I'm prepared to use it my finger is on the trigger and I don't point it anywhere I'm unwilling for it to go.  If I kill someone it will be small comfort to them that I was not a real shooter (target shooter?).

LOL, meathead.  It appears the couple in the video are not the pussies that you confess to being.     (If someone is breaking onto my property I don't think stopping to put on my shoes is a good strategy.   

I remember this soldier telling a story when his base was attacked in the middle of the night

First things he grabbed

1 weapon

2 Ammo

3 BOOTS !!!!

4 water

In that order

Dan

[98valk]

I noticed on the video of this couple this evening the woman had her finger on the trigger.  Couldn't tell for sure on him but looked like the same.  I'd say they aren't real shooters but get their training from movies.

From the pics I saw, I felt the same. It also seemed odd they were both out there in bare feet. I'm a big pussy when it comes to running around outside.

it is odd u don't completely read articles but always have an opinion. which you actually stated you do a few yrs ago.
  The couple stated they were on their patio with family/friends eating dinner and relaxing when the marxist muslim mobs broke through the locked steel gate entrance to his property and threatening him.

[Patrick]

Claymores, good idea. Just remember ' front toward  enemy'.