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« Reply #40 on: June 30, 2020, 09:26:42 AM » |
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I have gone so far as to walk up to a police car and knock on it to tell the officers there was an armed man shooting at my office 100 feet away !
The NYC cop exited the vehicle to warn me not to knock on the car, did nothing drove away.
As a result my windows are LEXAN not glass because the plate glass insurance was being cancelled
I have ZERO respect for NYC law enforcement INSTITUTION although
I have great respect for individual detectives and officers and civilians
I represent over the years
The man with the gun was the son of our prior landlord and he was a NYC fire marshal
He is dead. I have not yet had the opportunity to piss on his grave. Maybe later.........
But to answer your question it is bad law IMHO
So under that same theory of law, nobody should ever pay reparations as we had no duty to any former slaves and neither black nor white lives matter anymore
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« Reply #41 on: June 30, 2020, 09:28:38 AM » |
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MarkT
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« Reply #42 on: June 30, 2020, 09:36:58 AM » |
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I noticed on the video of this couple this evening the woman had her finger on the trigger. Couldn't tell for sure on him but looked like the same. I'd say they aren't real shooters but get their training from movies.
From the pics I saw, I felt the same. It also seemed odd they were both out there in bare feet. I'm a big pussy when it comes to running around outside. I guess I must not have been trained as well by the U.S.M.C. or it just didn't take. If I show you my weapon I am prepared to use it. When I'm prepared to use it my finger is on the trigger and I don't point it anywhere I'm unwilling for it to go. If I kill someone it will be small comfort to them that I was not a real shooter (target shooter?). LOL, meathead. It appears the couple in the video are not the pussies that you confess to being.  (If someone is breaking onto my property I don't think stopping to put on my shoes is a good strategy. Apparently not. I shouldn't have to mention the 4 rules for gun safety drilled into every responsible gun handler. Her muzzle and trigger discipline are non-existant and you say yours is too. I don't think I have ever seen a picture of a U.S. soldier or Marine holding his weapon in a ready arms position with his finger on the trigger. Or the muzzle sweeping others. Other than from Hollywood. |
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Willow
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« Reply #43 on: June 30, 2020, 09:44:00 AM » |
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... Her muzzle and trigger discipline are non-existant and you say yours is too.
I said nothing of the sort. Yes, hers are nonexistent (with an e). |
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MarkT
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« Reply #44 on: June 30, 2020, 09:52:14 AM » |
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I rarely misspell - or write grammatically incorrectly. Unlikely you will find another without intensive searching. Any that happen are almost always from fat fingers. And you said you have your finger on the trigger when prepared to use it and you are prepared to use it when you show the weapon. If A = B and B = C then A = C.
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« Reply #45 on: June 30, 2020, 10:04:19 AM » |
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Well since everyone else is picking from other then OP's list I would go with my 2 AR's with 30 round mags or for maximum intimidation my Tommy gun with a 50 round drum.
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Willow
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« Reply #46 on: June 30, 2020, 10:05:33 AM » |
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I rarely misspell - or write grammatically incorrectly. Unlikely you will find another without intensive searching. Any that happen are almost always from fat fingers. And you said you have your finger on the trigger when prepared to use it and you are prepared to use it when you show the weapon. If A = B and B = C then A = C.
Let's not drag this out too far. I also said I don't point the weapon where I don't want it to shoot. It appears that what is taught in target shooting and shown lately on television and in movies that an extra step is showing the weapon but being careful to show one is not really intending yet to shoot. I simply don't buy into that. The female attorney to whom you referred to as learning her shooting skills from the movies I don't think has any shooting skills. If she had learned from recent movies she would have followed your technique. We have differing opinions on proper gun handling. On the range I would keep my finger off the trigger until the weapon is pointed downrange at the target. When threatened enough for me to need to show the weapon, downrange is the threat and I am fully prepared to shoot. I have high regard for your mechanical expertise. Let's leave it at that. |
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« Reply #47 on: June 30, 2020, 11:05:35 AM » |
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Patrick
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« Reply #48 on: July 01, 2020, 09:18:40 AM » |
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Posted a response under BLM thread. A car works as a people mover.
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Jess from VA
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« Reply #49 on: July 01, 2020, 10:30:06 AM » |
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Just don't forget, a car (any vehicle) is considered a deadly weapon, in support of any aggravated assault charge (as in felony). Driving through a crowd at a snail's pace may be OK (if you don't run people over), but not at speed. If you can't shoot them (in justifiable self defense of lethal threat), you can't run them over either. Reginald Denny should have run people over.  |
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« Reply #50 on: July 01, 2020, 12:28:08 PM » |
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Definitely #4. Maybe not a Mossberg, but, a shotgun, probably more than one. I always have cases of 12 ga. I'd also have the Byrna ready, once its delivered.  why not a mossberg? I have heard this before however the sell large numbers. I have a Mossberg 500, can'r remember the last time it was in my hands. Can't remember why I bought it, oh, W T Grants was going out of business and it was on sale for about $50 I think if I remember correctly. Maybe the newer ones are better. A friend bought one a few years ago and it was still clunky. They're inexpensive and will probably go bang when the trigger is pulled. If you're not going to use it very often its probably just fine. If you're in the market for a shotgun I would suggest looking at a lot of them and shooting them if able, then make a decision. I just happen to have a number of shotguns, about 30. The Winchester model 12's are my favorite pump gun . A double barrel in ones face is pretty intimidating. I'm more of an auto loader guy tho. I have one of those 500 Persuaders. It's been a great gun. And it would be my choice in this situation. Without a plug it will hold 6 rounds plus one in the chamber. |
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Patrick
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« Reply #51 on: July 01, 2020, 12:45:17 PM » |
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Just don't forget, a car (any vehicle) is considered a deadly weapon, in support of any aggravated assault charge (as in felony). Driving through a crowd at a snail's pace may be OK (if you don't run people over), but not at speed. If you can't shoot them (in justifiable self defense of lethal threat), you can't run them over either. Reginald Denny should have run people over. So you would have stayed home and let the crowd carry on. From what I hear no one was hurt, at least not hurt then. They may be talking to lawyers by now. I'd like to know if they [either side] took any video. I know that if I want to leave my home I'm going to leave. If the cops don't show up to help I'm of the opinion to do what you think is right. |
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« Reply #52 on: July 01, 2020, 03:26:50 PM » |
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Just don't forget, a car (any vehicle) is considered a deadly weapon, in support of any aggravated assault charge (as in felony). Driving through a crowd at a snail's pace may be OK (if you don't run people over), but not at speed. If you can't shoot them (in justifiable self defense of lethal threat), you can't run them over either. Reginald Denny should have run people over. From what I hear no one was hurt, at least not hurt then. They may be talking to lawyers by now. I'd like to know if they [either side] took any video. I know that if I want to leave my home I'm going to leave. If the cops don't show up to help I'm of the opinion to do what you think is right. Unless I had a very important need (or they started vandalizing my property), I would not have gone out and confronted the crowd. They are looking for confrontation, and I would not be looking to help them out with that. If I did decide to confront the crowd, I don't think I'd have gone outside (right away), rather I think I would have let them see me armed standing in an open window (with a complete field of fire). Too many of them and one of me means going outside is stupid (unless really necessary). Not pointing a weapon at someone (just showing one), unless they were trespassing on my property. If they started yelling and catcalling, I think I would not respond verbally. I would show a good defense, but not do anything to give them an excuse to attack my property or me. Put another way, I would assume my actions would be recorded, and I would try to assume a good defensive position, but do nothing to put ME at risk of arrest or prosecution. I would have liked to go out with a rifle or shotgun slung on my shoulder, and turn the hose on them, but what you want to do and should do are rarely the same thing. This would be a good look at a mob thinking about attacking my dwelling.  Here kitty kitty. And I sure would not have had my wife out there pointing her gun at the back of my head. The crowd is a big enough worry without that. If she would have shot him by accident, the mob would have died laughing. (me too probably) |
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« Reply #53 on: July 01, 2020, 03:52:19 PM » |
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« Reply #54 on: July 01, 2020, 05:54:39 PM » |
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Not pointing a weapon at someone (just showing one), unless they were trespassing on my property. If they started yelling and catcalling, I think I would not respond verbally.
I could be wrong, but based on the articles I've read, the crowd had broken down a side gate and were assembling in their backyard at the treeline. That's what the owners were so exercised about, they didn't know if their house was about to get stormed or not. -RP |
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« Reply #55 on: July 01, 2020, 06:12:19 PM » |
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RP, I read no articles on this.
How you deal with an unwanted crowd is a tricky matter, esp right outside your door.
The law often relies on a reasonable man standard.
With all the mobs, numbnutts, riots and violence going on all the time, what may not have been reasonable before may be reasonable now.
But my goal is to never be before a grand jury or prosecutors desk at all, if possible.
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« Reply #56 on: July 01, 2020, 06:31:20 PM » |
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Indeed, the entire neighborhood, streets, sidewalks and all is private property. The "protesters" broke down this gate to get to the neighborhood, and were on private property the entire time this incident occurred...   |
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« Reply #57 on: July 01, 2020, 07:48:51 PM » |
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Indeed, the entire neighborhood, streets, sidewalks and all is private property. The "protesters" broke down this gate to get to the neighborhood, and were on private property the entire time this incident occurred... There's some malarkey going on. I saw video of protesters walking thorough the half open gate. Then later, more video of the gate broken. |
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« Reply #58 on: July 01, 2020, 07:53:33 PM » |
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« Reply #59 on: July 01, 2020, 08:07:14 PM » |
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the time to remove and install pre-loaded magazines. some sites show 100rd avail. |
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« Reply #60 on: July 02, 2020, 05:39:03 AM » |
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where is the police on this call the cops and have them arrested if not willing to get off private property. mob of 100 or 1 person, does not matter, arrest them all.
where are the police and why not get enough officers there with a school bus to arrest them all and throw away the key. Much like the rioting and vandalism I saw happen on TV everywhere even in Madison WI state street they had well over 100 officers standing around doing nothing. If I was a police officer and saw someone throwing a rock breaking glass window of a business owner I would arrest him/her black or white does not matter. Would be a money maker for the police posting 10K bond to get each one out of jail. Most of these rioters are young punks male and female of all colors and probably most do not have 10K to spare so they sit in jail until they can raise 10 grand each.
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« Reply #61 on: July 02, 2020, 06:31:46 AM » |
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the time to remove and install pre-loaded magazines. some sites show 100rd avail. That's the time I was wondering about. Not to reload the magazines. |
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« Reply #63 on: July 02, 2020, 07:53:17 AM » |
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Gonna say it again 1 weapon 2 ammo 3 BOOTS!!! Dan |
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« Reply #64 on: July 02, 2020, 08:08:31 AM » |
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Lots of tuff talk and some criticism here. Monday morning is such a effective time to develop plans and behavior. I wonder how many of us have faced this situation.  Unlike many of my friends I have no real desire to shoot anyone. I do have, unlike the masses and many of my friends, the nature and ability to pull the trigger without any hesitation.  |
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« Reply #65 on: July 02, 2020, 08:11:00 AM » |
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Gonna say it again 1 weapon 2 ammo 3 BOOTS!!! Dan In their situation 1- locked and loaded. Don't need no Puss'n Boots. |
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« Reply #66 on: July 02, 2020, 08:30:09 AM » |
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Lots of tuff talk and some criticism here. Monday morning is such a effective time to develop plans and behavior. I wonder how many of us have faced this situation. Unlike many of my friends I have no real desire to shoot anyone. I do have, unlike the masses and many of my friends, the nature and ability to pull the trigger without any hesitation. Not I, hope never am. I am basically a non violent person. though have broken a nose or 5 when sparing when younger and killed my share (or maybe more) critters. I too have no problem pulling a trigger when me or mine is threatened. AND yes, wouldn't stop to put shoes when action is needed. Way our property is located, on a corner, would be hard to defend. Hopefully would never have too. |
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« Reply #67 on: July 02, 2020, 09:04:32 AM » |
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I too don't really want to shot someone. Yet a carry a .45 and a 12ga flare gun in the truck. But all this new nonsense is what prompted me to get a Byrna.
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« Reply #68 on: July 02, 2020, 09:10:08 AM » |
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One third of the city of Toledo's council members (4) and an attorney were arrested by the FBI for bribery and extortion charges Tuesday. Where is the outcry and the protests?
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« Reply #69 on: July 02, 2020, 09:18:15 AM » |
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I'm not too concerned about hesitating in a them or me scenario.
As long as I don't think about the 10,000 or so laws playing against me for exercising a right.
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