The Real World...and Masks(muzzles)

[Alberta Patriot]

There's a lot of fine Americans wandering outside the corral, even inside their vehicles, alone!!...wearing this useless contraption(MUZZLE)
This gets it bang on:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFnUGSr3fw0

Amazing how compliant some people are. I had to play the 'protocol game' yesterday for my dental hygiene appt. The hygienist, like me, is convinced this whole thing is a steaming mound of bull's hit, however she is obligated to play the game.

[Patrick]

I just don't understand people anymore. This, along with the BLM nonsense, is crazy. We have a couple friends that are still scared to death of this virus and have not left their house since March ! Everything has to be delivered and sanitized.

People ride their byclces past the house alone and they have masks on. As you mention I see people alone in the car with masks on. People show up every day to the golf course and wear masks. Its gotten to the point that some are making a fashion show of it, wearing designer masks and seeing who can now come up with the most outrageous creative masks.

Yet still many that do wear them don't wear them correctly.

I remember a main stream TV network several years ago with a show called The Dumbing of America. Where are the reruns ? We need them.

I should probably also mention that we do have a friend [ about 65] that has been in the hospital on a ventilator for 6 weeks. Well he was in our local hospital for over a month before being transferred to a real hospital. I'm surprised he survived being in our local one.

[Bighead]

Patrick not many wear them Wrong but 99.5% wear them Wrong.

[cookiedough]

this outta get interesting in around me personally Dane County (Madison WI area) is going to require 1st time starting this coming Monday that anyone in the public in any type of building/office/store, etc MUST wear a mask.  Or what, get fined? get kicked out of the store?  this will get ugly I believe.   To topple that,   we are having a company wide meeting this Thursday discussing safety protocol if and when we go back into our office, my guess is next Monday as well.  I know personally 3 of us in the office around NO ONE that will NOT wear our masks sitting at our desk alone away from everyone 10 feet or so away but will wear our masks if leaving our desk for whatever reason for a few minutes.   

You see it on the news that certain people refuse to wear a mask and get violent.  Like said, this will get ugly very quickly.          

[Alberta Patriot]

this outta get interesting in around me personally Dane County (Madison WI area) is going to require 1st time starting this coming Monday that anyone in the public in any type of building/office/store, etc MUST wear a mask.  Or what, get fined? get kicked out of the store?  this will get ugly I believe.   To topple that,   we are having a company wide meeting this Thursday discussing safety protocol if and when we go back into our office, my guess is next Monday as well.  I know personally 3 of us in the office around NO ONE that will NOT wear our masks sitting at our desk alone away from everyone 10 feet or so away but will wear our masks if leaving our desk for whatever reason for a few minutes.  

You see it on the news that certain people refuse to wear a mask and get violent.  Like said, this will get ugly very quickly.          

The only way to get through this insanity is to do what's needed to protect the vulnerable and let it burn. Healthy people and the young are past the infection in a few days. If that was done from the beginning this would all be history by now.
But of course left(marxist) leaning politicians in power want to lord over and control their little kingdoms, so it's about that...Gather 'en masse' and turn that violent energy in people prone to it, into peaceful rallies in protest...and...first opportunity...ELECT THEM GONE!!   Y'all did it for the gun grab...what's different? They won't stop until you show them the size 16 steel toed Redwing Boot.

[Chrisj CMA]

One problem is the government knows most of us don’t understand numbers and percentages. The average American today doesn’t understand that 330 million people is more than quiet a few. With a pool of people that big a tiny percent can seem like a huge number if presented certain ways.

One example is the daily death rate in NYC is normally around 500. So normal deaths plus the deaths Como caused in nursing homes accounted for most of the pandemic numbers. If presented correctly the numbers would not have been near as scary

Playing the numbers game to scare us is what the government is doing

[Farside]

Playing the numbers game to scare us is what the government is doing

Bingo, it is part of the plan to exaggerate the #'s to cause the panic IMO 

[Valkorado]

I don't care what anyone chooses to wear, or not to wear.  Just seeking some clarification.

If masks are a liberal ploy to scare and control the people, how do you feel you've been controlled of by them?  And if you have been controlled, how did you allow this to happen?  Me, I've worn a mask in crowds a total of less than a half hour since this virus come to our county months ago.  That's combined.  It was always my choice to wear one.  I never felt like I was becoming a sheep(le), or that I was being controlled by a malicious Democrat or a group of evil scientists and money hungry physicians.  I never felt like I was "wokeing up" or compromising my liberties.

I'm just thinking you folks who feel you're being controlled by masking recommendations or policies are the ones pushing the conspiracies a bit.  If you really don't like masking you can always practice civil disobedience.  That would seem a more "manly" way to show your disgust.  Whining doesn't seem like something a rugged Patriot would do.

I love America and my freedoms and rights, and I vote Republican across the board.

I do hope everyone stays safe and well!

[98valk]

well the democrats got all American woman to cover their faces so as not to offend the muslim invader men.

funny American woman said they would never cover themselves last yr in some new stories/polls.

causing enough fear wasn't working with climate change but is seems the globalists found a perfect fear story to take control.

[scooperhsd]

One problem is the government knows most of us don’t understand numbers and percentages. The average American today doesn’t understand that 330 million people is more than quiet a few. With a pool of people that big a tiny percent can seem like a huge number of presented certain ways.

One example is the daily death rate in NYC is normally around 500. So normal deaths plus the deaths Como caused in nursing homes accounted for most of the pandemic numbers. If presented correctly the numbers would not have been near as scary

Playing the numbers game to scare us is what the government is doing

EXACTLY. Give us the raw numbers so we can see for ourselves.

[Valkorado]

well the democrats got all American woman to cover their faces so as not to offend the muslim invader men.

funny American woman said they would never cover themselves last yr in some new stories/polls.

causing enough fear wasn't working with climate change but is seems the globalists found a perfect fear story to take control.

Makes sense now, thanks!   

[Alberta Patriot]

Problem is that in many jurisdictions you are forced to wear muzzles anytime you are out of your residence. What Constitution???

[Valkorado]

Problem is that in many jurisdictions you are forced to wear muzzles anytime you are out of your residence. What Constitution???

And that's where the Civil Disobedience comes in.  If you're so inclined.  Mandates are not etched in stone laws.  If a state of county has actually legislated masking into law, that is of course another story altogether.

https://video.foxbusiness.com/v/6159650637001/#sp=show-clips

It's a fine line, and private businesses do have the right to establish rules that are to be adhered to in their stores and properties.  

Public sidewalks, etc. not so much.

[Alberta Patriot]

I must confess.
I only talk about all this for purely selfish reasons. I like travelling South and this whole crazy Covid/BLM thing is putting a serious crimp in my USA holiday travel decisions.  

[98valk]

elected PA and NJ dictator governors (remember hitler was elected)

Are,  NJ did today, making everyone wear a mask while they are outside.  yet murph was shoulder to shoulder with protesters two wks ago.

so people on the beach, walking, running down the street, anybody outside must be masked.

to appease muslims, all American woman now have their face covered, and now can't tell antifa radicals from anybody else. perfect for sneak attacks.

dems want chaos on the streets, for then the general public will scream for peace and safety, resulting in dems creating a police state.

[Valkorado]

I must confess.
I only talk about all this for purely selfish reasons. I like travelling South and this whole crazy Covid/BLM thing is putting a serious crimp in my USA holiday travel decisions.  

 

I understand.  It sucks big time and is pissing me off as well!

[Alberta Patriot]

elected PA and NJ dictator governors (remember hitler was elected)

Are,  NJ did today, making everyone wear a mask while they are outside.  yet murph was shoulder to shoulder with protesters two wks ago.

so people on the beach, walking, running down the street, anybody outside must be masked.

to appease muslims and now can't tell antifa radicals from anybody else. perfect for sneak attacks.

dems what chaos on the streets, for then the general public will scream for peace and safety, resulting in dems creating a police state.

The Nazis replaced the police with Brown Shirts to knock the hell out of those who didn't comply. They also set up a rat squad policy so you could turn in your neighbors...hmm...this all sounds familiar.

[98valk]

elected PA and NJ dictator governors (remember hitler was elected)

Are,  NJ did today, making everyone wear a mask while they are outside.  yet murph was shoulder to shoulder with protesters two wks ago.

so people on the beach, walking, running down the street, anybody outside must be masked.

to appease muslims and now can't tell antifa radicals from anybody else. perfect for sneak attacks.

dems what chaos on the streets, for then the general public will scream for peace and safety, resulting in dems creating a police state.

The Nazis replaced the police with Brown Shirts to knock the hell out of those who didn't comply. They also set up a rat squad policy so you could turn in your neighbors...hmm...this all sounds familiar.

defund and/or get rid of the police and replace with a federal police force. this was org in the news during the clinton yrs and this force would mainly be made up of UN foreign nationals.

The history behind efforts to nationalize police forces should also spark alarm over Obama’s plan. It is worth recalling that Communist efforts to nationalize local police forces across the United States date back to at least the 1960s. Toward that end, communist agitators, along with their front groups and useful idiots, have long created problems or exploited existing ones to drum up hatred and violence against police. In recent anti-police marches, communist-made signs and slogans were visible everywhere. But it is hardly a new development.

In an official 1961 report entitled “A Communist Plot Against the Free World Police,” the Judiciary Committee of the U.S. Congress explained how communist agents across the West were working to nationalize and federalize police forces — with a special focus on the United States. The explosive study documents, among other elements of the strategy, the forming of mobs to attack police. Obama’s own radical background and associations with communist terrorists — including launching his political career in the home of Castro-backed terrorist leader Bill Ayers — should provide further cause for concern. His racialist anti-police comments, blurted out every time a suitable incident emerges to be exploited, should also offer warnings of the true agenda.

In the end, the Constitution does not authorize Obama’s “national standards” for police, or the taxpayer-funded bribes being used to spread them nationwide. That means the scheme is unconstitutional on its face. Even if it were constitutional, though, history shows that it would be a terrible and dangerous idea. Police departments should be responsible to the communities that fund them and that they are supposed to serve — not Obama, Holder, or the UN and its “international standards.” To allow further federalization of America’s police agencies is a sure recipe for disaster.
https://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/crime/item/20305-obama-unveils-plan-to-further-nationalize-local-police

[carolinarider09]

Maybe not in line with this thread but I just saw this somewhere else.

Person One -  I don't want to wear a mask.  Its my body and my choice.

Person Two - No, its not just your body, there are other bodies involved. 

Can anyone think of a corollary for this exchange? 

[Valkorado]

Maybe not in line with this thread but I just saw this somewhere else.

Person One -  I don't want to wear a mask.  Its my body and my choice.

Person Two - No, its not just your body, there are other bodies involved.  

Can anyone think of a corollary for this exchange?  

If it's just a couple people having a discussion that's America I guess.

If person one is John or Jane Doe and person two is involved in establishing and/or enforcing law (or vise versa)  it's a different conversation for sure!

[carolinarider09]

Nope,  not the corollary I had in mind. 

[Valkorado]

Nope,  not the corollary I had in mind.  

More an analogy, but this crossed my mind.



Or better yet this.

[carolinarider09]

Close but no Cigar

[Willow]

...  It was always my choice to wear one.  I never felt like I was becoming a sheep(le), or that I was being controlled by a malicious Democrat or a group of evil scientists and money hungry physicians.  I never felt like I was "wokeing up" or compromising my liberties.
...

The governor of my state has mandated that everyone in public indoor spaces must wear a mask, or as the order states - a face covering.  I feel I am being manipulated by malicious Democrat politicians and evil scientists.  I feel that dictating that I will do something stupid that doesn't actually do what it is claimed to do is experimenting with how far someones can go to limit reasonable liberties.  In my county, which has a high number of COVID-19 cases, the chance of meeting someone currently infected by COVID-19 is about 450/1.  Telling the other 449 people to wear an outlaw costume and pretend it is protecting them is a vile social and legal experiment.

 ???

...  If you really don't like masking you can always practice civil disobedience.  That would seem a more "manly" way to show your disgust.  Whining doesn't seem like something a rugged Patriot would do.
...

LOL!  Are you whining about the whining?   

[Serk]

I've chosen to meet the letter of the not-a-law law by following the literal requirements while pointing out the stupidity of the whole thing... Just ordered a bunch of loose knit face masks like this one...

[Serk]

Woot! Came in today!!

[Valkorado]

...  It was always my choice to wear one.  I never felt like I was becoming a sheep(le), or that I was being controlled by a malicious Democrat or a group of evil scientists and money hungry physicians.  I never felt like I was "wokeing up" or compromising my liberties.
...

The governor of my state has mandated that everyone in public indoor spaces must wear a mask, or as the order states - a face covering.  I feel I am being manipulated by malicious Democrat politicians and evil scientists.  I feel that dictating that I will do something stupid that doesn't actually do what it is claimed to do is experimenting with how far someones can go to limit reasonable liberties.  In my county, which has a high number of COVID-19 cases, the chance of meeting someone currently infected by COVID-19 is about 450/1.  Telling the other 449 people to wear an outlaw costume and pretend it is protecting them is a vile social and legal experiment.

 ???

...  If you really don't like masking you can always practice civil disobedience.  That would seem a more "manly" way to show your disgust.  Whining doesn't seem like something a rugged Patriot would do.
...

LOL!  Are you whining about the whining?  

Not really, just pointing it out.  
If Colorado follows suit I'll be whining much like you.  The malicious Democrat politicians and evil scientists will revel in the sounds of our collective conservative bitching and moaning.

[F6Dave]

Here's an good video (near the bottom of linked article) that uses Schlieren Imaging to show flow patterns from your nose and mouth with and without a mask.  They also use petri dishes to show how far bacteria travels with and without masks:

https://www.dailywire.com/news/watch-video-explains-how-and-why-face-masks-function-using-schlieren-imaging

[Valkorado]

Here's an good video (near the bottom of linked article) that uses Schlieren Imaging to show flow patterns from your nose and mouth with and without a mask.  They also use petri dishes to show how far bacteria travels with and without masks:

https://www.dailywire.com/news/watch-video-explains-how-and-why-face-masks-function-using-schlieren-imaging

It's just that damn science again Dave!  Nothing to see here!  

Note that C-19 is not bacterial, but the main gist is that masks can help curb the spread and exposure to airborne particles that may cause respiratory infection.  The video demonstrates this well.

[98valk]

Some of the human-associated bacteria species that didn't survive in the lighted rooms are from a family of bacteria known to cause respiratory disease.

In their future work, the researchers said they'd like to design studies to determine how much light is necessary to kill microbes so architects can begin to design buildings with that in mind.

Also, researchers have learned from trying to eradicate all germs in hospital and laboratory clean rooms that it's really hard to get rid of microbes wholesale. "Sanitizing isn't the best approach," Fahimipour says. And some microbes are actually good for us, like the ones in yogurt. Someday, he says, "it may be better to enrich an indoor setting with microbes that are not harmful or even [with those that are] beneficial."

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2018/10/18/658335490/grandma-was-right-sunshine-helps-kill-germs-indoors

[98valk]

New England Journal of Medicine has dealt a body blow to America’s growing army of mask fascists with the news that “wearing a mask outside health care facilities offers little, if any, protection from infection.”

The reasons for this are both simple and logical:

    We know that wearing a mask outside health care facilities offers little, if any, protection from infection. Public health authorities define a significant exposure to Covid-19 as face-to-face contact within 6 feet with a patient with symptomatic Covid-19 that is sustained for at least a few minutes (and some say more than 10 minutes or even 30 minutes). The chance of catching Covid-19 from a passing interaction in a public space is therefore minimal. In many cases, the desire for widespread masking is a reflexive reaction to anxiety over the pandemic.

Even so, the Journal’s warning for healthcare workers points out that a mask is still not very helpful “since it does not provide protection from droplets that may enter the eyes or from fomites on the patient or in the environment that providers may pick up on their hands and carry to their mucous membranes.”

“What is clear, however, is that universal masking alone is not a panacea. A mask will not protect providers caring for a patient with active Covid-19 if it’s not accompanied by meticulous hand hygiene, eye protection, gloves, and a gown,” the Journal adds.

The World Health Organization (W.H.O.) goes even further: “Masks should only be used by health care workers, caretakers or by people who are sick with symptoms of fever and cough,” said Dr. April Baller, a public health specialist for the W.H.O.

Baller adds that the danger to a healthy person wearing a mask is a “false feeling of protection” — which is something the CDC warned of early on during this pandemic, back when we were told not to wear masks.

Of course, the CDC has flip-flopped completely on the mask issue, which means that what we are now being told by the New England Journal of Medicine and W.H.O. contradicts the latest CDC guidelines, which, after telling us for weeks that masks are useless against the virus, now “recommends wearing cloth face coverings in public settings where other social distancing measures are difficult to maintain.”

Since its flip-flop, I have never really bought into the idea that American health “experts” like the CDC and Drs. Fauci and Birx were genuine in their flip-flop on the mask issue. It always seemed to me that public and media pressure forced them into caving.

Even today, Fauci can’t bring himself to offer a full-throated mask endorsement, only that the mask is a “symbol” of what “you should be doing” … they are a “valuable safeguard” and part of “respect for another person.”

This is a far cry from what he said in March:

    “There’s no reason to be walking around with a mask,” infectious disease expert Dr. Anthony Fauci told 60 Minutes.

    While masks may block some droplets, Fauci said, they do not provide the level of protection people think they do. Wearing a mask may also have unintended consequences: People who wear masks tend to touch their face more often to adjust them, which can spread germs from their hands.

It would seem to me that the need to wear a mask should be based on how the virus in question operates. If, as the New England Journal of Medicine points out, you need to be in close contact with an infected person for up to 30 minutes in order to get infected with the coronavirus, the mask is unnecessary unless you’re in that situation.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/05/29/nolte-the-science-turns-against-americas-mask-fascists/

[Valkorado]

Just make sure you cease contact with others at 29 minutes and everything should be okay.   

[carolinarider09]

So,,,, I was interested in what the "Mask" requirement in my state are.  So, I looked at a local news website (linked below) to see what I might encounter if I travel outside of my protective 8 acre home environment.  (I want to go to the dump). 

You can scroll through all the stuff but, the main requirements seem to be (for most of the counties and towns are the following. 

Most common;

Anyone going into a commercial establishment
Employees at restaurants, retail stores, salons, grocery stores, and pharmacies while having face-to-face interactions

Required to wear masks in all public buildings
This includes employees who have face-to-face interactions with the public

Less Common

In any building open to the public, or waiting to enter such a building
While interacting with people outdoors (including curbside pickup, deliveries, or service calls)
While engaging in business in public, commercial or industrial spaces
While providing or utilizing commercial or public transportation
While walking outdoors in public if social distancing isn’t possible

Exceptions. 

Most Common

When someone’s religious beliefs prevent them from wearing a face covering
If someone has medical conditions, mental health conditions, or disabilities which prevent the wearing of a mask
Children younger than 10 -- though the ordinance urges adults with kids aged 2 to 9 to have their children wear a mask in stores and restaurants
People eating inside a restaurant
People working in private, individual offices
When complying with directions of law enforcement
In settings where it is not practical or feasible to wear a face covering -- like going to the dentist or swimming


Of course (if you believe WISTV's news) not all of the areas requiring masks allow you to take them off to eat of drink.  But then its a news site and they are never held accountable ...

https://www.wistv.com/2020/07/08/full-list-face-mask-ordinances-place-across-sc/

[Valkorado]

So,,,, I was interested in what the "Mask" requirement in my state are.  So, I looked at a local news website (linked below) to see what I might encounter if I travel outside of my protective 8 acre home environment.  (I want to go to the dump). 

You can scroll through all the stuff but, the main requirements seem to be (for most of the counties and towns are the following. 

Most common;

Anyone going into a commercial establishment
Employees at restaurants, retail stores, salons, grocery stores, and pharmacies while having face-to-face interactions

Required to wear masks in all public buildings
This includes employees who have face-to-face interactions with the public

Less Common

In any building open to the public, or waiting to enter such a building
While interacting with people outdoors (including curbside pickup, deliveries, or service calls)
While engaging in business in public, commercial or industrial spaces
While providing or utilizing commercial or public transportation
While walking outdoors in public if social distancing isn’t possible

Exceptions. 

Most Common

When someone’s religious beliefs prevent them from wearing a face covering
If someone has medical conditions, mental health conditions, or disabilities which prevent the wearing of a mask
Children younger than 10 -- though the ordinance urges adults with kids aged 2 to 9 to have their children wear a mask in stores and restaurants
People eating inside a restaurant
People working in private, individual offices
When complying with directions of law enforcement
In settings where it is not practical or feasible to wear a face covering -- like going to the dentist or swimming


Of course (if you believe WISTV's news) not all of the areas requiring masks allow you to take them off to eat of drink.  But then its a news site and they are never held accountable ...

https://www.wistv.com/2020/07/08/full-list-face-mask-ordinances-place-across-sc/

Well there ya go.  I foresee a huge wave of religious fundamentalism being spawned by this.  PTL!

[98valk]

http://www.shorenewsnetwork.com/2020/07/09/big-brother-is-here-nj-police-to-electronically-monitor-and-charge-people-not-wearing-masks-in-parks/

[Chrisj CMA]

http://www.shorenewsnetwork.com/2020/07/09/big-brother-is-here-nj-police-to-electronically-monitor-and-charge-people-not-wearing-masks-in-parks/

Add NJ to CA,NY,IL as a state I will never live in

[scooperhsd]

...  It was always my choice to wear one.  I never felt like I was becoming a sheep(le), or that I was being controlled by a malicious Democrat or a group of evil scientists and money hungry physicians.  I never felt like I was "wokeing up" or compromising my liberties.
...

The governor of my state has mandated that everyone in public indoor spaces must wear a mask, or as the order states - a face covering.  I feel I am being manipulated by malicious Democrat politicians and evil scientists.  I feel that dictating that I will do something stupid that doesn't actually do what it is claimed to do is experimenting with how far someones can go to limit reasonable liberties.  In my county, which has a high number of COVID-19 cases, the chance of meeting someone currently infected by COVID-19 is about 450/1.  Telling the other 449 people to wear an outlaw costume and pretend it is protecting them is a vile social and legal experiment.

 ???

...  If you really don't like masking you can always practice civil disobedience.  That would seem a more "manly" way to show your disgust.  Whining doesn't seem like something a rugged Patriot would do.
...

LOL!  Are you whining about the whining?   

I go strictly - " Off until I'm ready to enter a building where required, protest, grumble, etc. inside the building, then, as soon as I STEP outside the door - it's off."

[cookiedough]

Woot! Came in today!!

anyone ever tell you that you could have an older identical twin brother named Eustace from the TV show Mountain Men?

https://affairpost.com/mountain-man-star-eustace-conway-bio-net-worth-wife-married-death-family/