Still no start

[GWS]

I started a post below last week. I couldn't get the bike started and didn't have headlights, so I ordered a new switch assembly. I installed it today.

And thanks hubcapsc Mike! I searched the site and found your trick of loosening the handlebars and sliding them over to get the throttle off - saved me a LOT of aggravation.

I now have all my lights, turn signals, horn, etc., but still don't have a start. At first I didn't have a neutral light, so I assumed there's the problem. I moved the shifter up and down. I think I saw a very brief flash of green light, but it wouldn't come on. I went inside to search this forum for possible answers, went back outside, and what do you know......now I've got a functioning neutral light!!!
Both the kickstand and neutral lights are working as they're supposed to. Fuses all look good.

Clutch in, stand up, tranny in neutral, neutral light on, headlights on, hit the button, headlights go off, and.....no happy noise.

Any ideas??? Has anyone had their neutral light lie to them? Thanks as always for any help.
George

[gordonv]

No, no problem with the nuetral other than what we all said before.

Now with the functioning switch, have you tried jump starting from a known working battery?

[hubcapsc]

There's a button I never use. The kill switch. Once mine was
rocked just a little bit, not so that it looked off, but it was off...
many other times it has been off because I was on a ride with
Gordon, but that's a different issue... Anywho... make sure
that it is not your kill switch...

-Mike

[Madmike]

I started a post below last week. I couldn't get the bike started and didn't have headlights, so I ordered a new switch assembly. I installed it today.

And thanks hubcapsc Mike! I searched the site and found your trick of loosening the handlebars and sliding them over to get the throttle off - saved me a LOT of aggravation.

I now have all my lights, turn signals, horn, etc., but still don't have a start. At first I didn't have a neutral light, so I assumed there's the problem. I moved the shifter up and down. I think I saw a very brief flash of green light, but it wouldn't come on. I went inside to search this forum for possible answers, went back outside, and what do you know......now I've got a functioning neutral light!!!
Both the kickstand and neutral lights are working as they're supposed to. Fuses all look good.

Clutch in, stand up, tranny in neutral, neutral light on, headlights on, hit the button, headlights go off, and.....no happy noise.

Any ideas??? Has anyone had their neutral light lie to them? Thanks as always for any help.
George

wont crank or will crank but will not start??

[98valk]

check relays and connections behind right side cover.

[GWS]

I started a post below last week. I couldn't get the bike started and didn't have headlights, so I ordered a new switch assembly. I installed it today.

And thanks hubcapsc Mike! I searched the site and found your trick of loosening the handlebars and sliding them over to get the throttle off - saved me a LOT of aggravation.

I now have all my lights, turn signals, horn, etc., but still don't have a start. At first I didn't have a neutral light, so I assumed there's the problem. I moved the shifter up and down. I think I saw a very brief flash of green light, but it wouldn't come on. I went inside to search this forum for possible answers, went back outside, and what do you know......now I've got a functioning neutral light!!!
Both the kickstand and neutral lights are working as they're supposed to. Fuses all look good.

Clutch in, stand up, tranny in neutral, neutral light on, headlights on, hit the button, headlights go off, and.....no happy noise.

Any ideas??? Has anyone had their neutral light lie to them? Thanks as always for any help.
George

wont crank or will crank but will not start??

[GWS]

Won't crank. No sound at all, not even a click.

[98valk]

Won't crank. No sound at all, not even a click.

did u do the starter button maintenance? or take it apart to see its condition?

http://www.valkyrieriders.com/shoptalk/VSGPages/starterbutton.htm

see rattlebars pdf
https://www.vtxoa.com/threads/rattlebars-starter-switch-mtce.456068/

[Madmike]

Looks to me that the Clutch switch, neutral switch and sidestand switch are interconnected on the one side of the state relay control circuit.  On the other side after the ignition switch and the feed fuses are the stop switch and Bank angle setup.  I have a fairly lean drawing of just the start system from a Chiltons manual but attach it.  If you would like it via email let me know and I can send it along.

Also the was an excellent video that I saw the other day on the switch maintenance, by the fellow that does the shifter mod. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNYbwQzd6BM&feature=youtu.be

[Bone]

Did you try it with the clutch lever out ?

[pancho]

Pull off your right side cover. You will see an arrangement like this (minus the wire ty assy. on the right), the box in the middle is your starter relay.



Fold down the cover and you will see this. Jump the two large connectors and see if the bike will crank.



You can pull the relay out and release it from it's mount. Pull off the top connector and see if there is any heat damage to the connector or terminals.

[gordonv]

I'm was not going to post again, maybe I shouldn't, but hell, why not?

I'm sorry for my reply, but I'm going to be a Dick about it.

This is the posters 2nd kick at this problem. If you have read his first he did the maintenance on the starter switch, broke it, and bought a new one, which because of this post, is now installed. Same problem.

In both his posts he STILL hasn't answered my question, but seems to do and reply to every ones else's.

Have you tried to jump start the bike from a KNOWN working battery?

WHY ARE we wasting our time until we know he has power? A meter is not what I want to know. I want to know he has 12V and 200A to run his bike.

We had an experienced rider on a rally that was having starting problems. Felt the battery was old, so he dropped by a place, bought a battery, and when he went to install it found a loose connection. Kept the battery, because 7 years was old enough for peace of mind.

(maybe the above isn't as bad as I thought at first it was going to be, or maybe it is?)

Have a great day...

[GWS]

Thanks Gordon, your post wasn't bad at all. I need all the help I can get. By way of explanation, I was thinking that since the battery tender gave me a green light, and since I had power at the relay, and that I could jump the relay and the engine turns over normally, the battery wasn't the problem.
 
Then I dug deeper in this site and learned that the battery needs to send a LOT more juice to the coils than it uses to run the lights.

So I tried to jump start the bike with my truck battery this morning and no luck. Not even a click.

[gordonv]

Thank you, that was what I was looking for, everything you wrote.

I had even gone back to your previous post and read threw it. You did say that you got the bike to start, but few details. Those details where all answered in the above. Like you found out, green light on charger, 12V on the meter, doesn't mean you have a good battery, that known working battery from your truck now says you have other problems.

Now, with everything you've done, and with those extra lights, I would now look for burnt wires.

I don't know why you couldn't get the starter to jump from the starter relay. You should. I think I would look there, with a meter and inspect those wires.

I forget, do you have the service manual?
http://valkyrienorway.com/download.html

Either the manual on trouble shooting, or the electrical schematics. I was looking for the post with the link on the schematic of the ignition, I thought it was this thread, but it must have been another in the last day or so.

[GWS]

Found the problem. It was a blown ignition fuse. One of the first things I looked at were the fuses in the little box by the starter relay. They were all good a couple days ago.
In the process of removing/installing the new starter button assembly, I must have blown the little 10 amp ignition fuse. I was about to throw in the towel and call the dealer tomorrow morning since, according to the service manual, the next step would have been to use a voltmeter on the coils. Me using a voltmeter ..... you might as well give a chimp a laptop!
So I wanted to double check everything one last time before I gave up, and there was the culprit. She started right up and runs beautifully.
The bad news is I feel stupid (again), but the good news is that I got to learn a lot more about the inner workings of my fat girl. Next time I'll be better prepared.
Thanks again everybody for all your help and input!

[98valk]

Found the problem. It was a blown ignition fuse. One of the first things I looked at were the fuses in the little box by the starter relay. They were all good a couple days ago.
In the process of removing/installing the new starter button assembly, I must have blown the little 10 amp ignition fuse. I was about to throw in the towel and call the dealer tomorrow morning since, according to the service manual, the next step would have been to use a voltmeter on the coils. Me using a voltmeter ..... you might as well give a chimp a laptop!
So I wanted to double check everything one last time before I gave up, and there was the culprit. She started right up and runs beautifully.
The bad news is I feel stupid (again), but the good news is that I got to learn a lot more about the inner workings of my fat girl. Next time I'll be better prepared.
Thanks again everybody for all your help and input!

 

[pancho]

Looks like I missed half of your efforts to fix this problem in another post....  Glad you got it running.

[gordonv]

Found the problem. It was a blown ignition fuse.

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The bad news is I feel stupid (again), but the good news is that I got to learn a lot more about the inner workings of my fat girl. Next time I'll be better prepared.
Thanks again everybody for all your help and input!

That's great, and you did do it yourself. I had forgotten to mention in previous post, on of the most important things to do is, AFTER you fix it, post what it was. This is to help all others too.

As for feeling stupid, we all are, till we learn more. The nice thing is you can ask here BEFORE you take it to a shop, because most will tell you they wont even work on our bikes, and the others will say they will charge too much (they will).

Now with all this happening around the home, just think of what knowledge you learned from such a simple thing, that would help you on a road trip on the side of the road?

Good for you, and great for posting it to the end. Thank you