Take this seriously

[Alien]

All,

I beg all of you to take this virus seriously.  Forget your political disagreements and don't be distracted by the nonsense coming at you from all sides.  Forget about numbers of people infected or tested.  Just stop for a second and keep yourselves and your loved ones safe.

A good friend of mine lost his 13 year old daughter to this virus yesterday.  She had been sick for 2 days.
 This is real.  She's dead.  She will never grow up to be all of the things that she wanted to be.  She will never hug her mother and father again. 

PLEASE, don't let your political viewpoint, whatever it may be, keep you from acting in whatever manner is necessary to keep yourself and your loved ones safe.

Ride BE Safe,

Alien

[The emperor has no clothes]

I’m very sorry about your friend. Be safe yourself, my friend.

[Valkorado]

I'm also truly sorry to hear this, Alien.  I've always taken it seriously.

13 years old?  Devastating.  

Some are probably already convinced the doctors chalked it up as a C-19 death to make some bonus bucks from the government.  I hope they keep that opinion to themselves in this instance.

Prayers out to your friend and his immediate family for this tragic loss...

[Willow]

My condolences to the family that lost a child.  Thousands of children were lost this week.  Very few were from COVID-19.

COVID-19 is serious.  It is not nearly as prolific as we are being led to believe.  The so called mitigation measures are not nearly as effective as we are being led to believe.

Political?  Accepting the seriousness of COVID-19 or rejecting the propaganda; either will be seen as political by those who believe differently.

In my county or in the U.S. as a whole if you meet 1,000 people today chances are that six of them will be carrying the virus.  That's an average.  There are places it is much lower and a few that it ius higher.  My county just happens to correspond almost exactly to the national average.

Mask wearing - we as a group are asking 994 people to wear masks and pretend it is protecting themselves for the 6 people who may be a threat.

It's serious if you know someone who has died.  It does not make it all impending.  I lost two friends this year to old age (heart and circulatory conditions).  I wish more people would take old age more seriously and stop wasting their time.

I've had friends die as a result of mixing alcohol and vehicular motion.  I wish more people would take that seriously but I don't desire that not drinkers stay off the road to reduce the chances.

I don't know whether Alien's friend's child's death cause was faked.  I do know that a lot are and the numbers are false.  Annual flu kills thousands and thousands each year.  Should we take that more seriously?  Actually flu doesn't kill many if any.  It weakens a person so that pneumonia or some other illness kills him. 

If I die with COVID-19 in my system grieve for losing my company but do not scare others about the seriousness of COVID-19.  Celebrate the goodness of my life.  The best way we can diminish the crush of death is to live what life we have.  Living scared simply doesn't contribute to a good quality life.

[Valkorado]

I just reread it, and still don't see anything in Alien's post that makes me believe he is living scared.  For all I know, his "quality of life" may dwarf  yours.  I could be wrong.

[Willow]

I just reread it, and still don't see anything in Alien's post that makes me believe he is living scared.  For all I know, his "quality of life" may dwarf  yours.  I could be wrong.

Try to reread mine.  I didn't say he was.  I didn't comment on his quality of life.  I commented specifically on the lives of people who choose to live in fear of a remote possibility of the ends of their lives.

Apparently you chosen not to know much.  The quality of my life indeed dwarfs the quality of the Alien's but that wasn't the subject matter.  I've met us both.

Yes, you could, once more, be wrong.

Today is not a good day to engage me in a spitting contest.   

[The emperor has no clothes]

I just reread it, and still don't see anything in Alien's post that makes me believe he is living scared.  For all I know, his "quality of life" may dwarf  yours.  I could be wrong.

Today is not a good day to engage me in a spitting contest.   

You've built up a saliva stockpile ?

[f6john]

All,

I beg all of you to take this virus seriously.  Forget your political disagreements and don't be distracted by the nonsense coming at you from all sides.  Forget about numbers of people infected or tested.  Just stop for a second and keep yourselves and your loved ones safe.

A good friend of mine lost his 13 year old daughter to this virus yesterday.  She had been sick for 2 days.
 This is real.  She's dead.  She will never grow up to be all of the things that she wanted to be.  She will never hug her mother and father again. 

PLEASE, don't let your political viewpoint, whatever it may be, keep you from acting in whatever manner is necessary to keep yourself and your loved ones safe.

Ride BE Safe,

Alien

I accept your post in the spirit that I think you offered it to us. Every life is precious, especially those close to us, but as we see everyday, some more so than others, in certain people’s eyes. We are living in a time that really tests our values. Some can see it, some can’t.

[Alien]

My condolences to the family that lost a child.  Thousands of children were lost this week.  Very few were from COVID-19.

COVID-19 is serious.  It is not nearly as prolific as we are being led to believe.  The so called mitigation measures are not nearly as effective as we are being led to believe.

Political?  Accepting the seriousness of COVID-19 or rejecting the propaganda; either will be seen as political by those who believe differently.

In my county or in the U.S. as a whole if you meet 1,000 people today chances are that six of them will be carrying the virus.  That's an average.  There are places it is much lower and a few that it ius higher.  My county just happens to correspond almost exactly to the national average.

Mask wearing - we as a group are asking 994 people to wear masks and pretend it is protecting themselves for the 6 people who may be a threat.

It's serious if you know someone who has died.  It does not make it all impending.  I lost two friends this year to old age (heart and circulatory conditions).  I wish more people would take old age more seriously and stop wasting their time.

I've had friends die as a result of mixing alcohol and vehicular motion.  I wish more people would take that seriously but I don't desire that not drinkers stay off the road to reduce the chances.

I don't know whether Alien's friend's child's death cause was faked.  I do know that a lot are and the numbers are false.  Annual flu kills thousands and thousands each year.  Should we take that more seriously?  Actually flu doesn't kill many if any.  It weakens a person so that pneumonia or some other illness kills him. 

If I die with COVID-19 in my system grieve for losing my company but do not scare others about the seriousness of COVID-19.  Celebrate the goodness of my life.  The best way we can diminish the crush of death is to live what life we have.  Living scared simply doesn't contribute to a good quality life.

Willow, I replied to this earlier and deleted my reply.  I don't think that this is a good day for either of us to get involved in a pissing contest.  I will simply say that while you are a great guy in person, you need to work on your humanity a little more while on the forum.  I don't appreciate that you would even suggest that her cause of death was faked.  Way out of line.

[Oss]

Then let us try not to spit

Really

[Willow]

... you need to work on your humanity a little more while on the forum.  I don't appreciate that you would even suggest that her cause of death was faked.  Way out of line.

And I didn't.  You need to either grow some skin or read more carefully.

Apparently your definition of humanity is different than mine.  I did carefully say that my condolences go to the family who suffered this loss.  If your definition of humanity is restricted to people who agree with your projecting a single tragedy into a national emergency then I will fall guilty in your eyes.  I'll have to learn to live with that.

I'm sorry that you have experienced this tragic loss up close.

[hubcapsc]

There's two or three kids in South Carolina that have that inflammatory
syndrome that the virus causes... I wonder if that is what got Alien's friend's
daughter... she was only 13...

-Mike

[Valkorado]

I don't think Alien's intention was to convince anyone that C-19 is a national emergency.  The interpretation that it was took the entire post off the tracks and into the battle zone. 

The original post was not incendiary but it was apparently instigative to at least one reader.

[The emperor has no clothes]

I don't think Alien's intention was to convince anyone that C-19 is a national emergency.  The interpretation that it was took the entire post off the tracks and into the battle zone. 

The original post was not incendiary but it was apparently instigative to at least one reader.

It was rude. Didn`t need to be in the post. We already have 5 thousand covid conspiracy posts.

[Pappy!]

For what it is worth......
I can understand both the initial posting and the emotion behind it as well as the matter-of-fact reply that typifies a lot of Willow's replies.
Two different men in two different mind sets. Nothing wrong with either.

[Bighead]

I dont think anyone is saying that it isnt real. But as stated before people who think a mask is protecting them just don’t understand. All a mask will do is protect others from YOU coughing or sneezing on them.
So you cant live in fear.
I am sorry for the loss of a young life to this but as the Bible tells us tomorrow is not promised. I dont remember seeing an age limit on that statement.

[Valkorado]

I dont think anyone is saying that it isnt real. But as stated before people who think a mask is protecting them just don’t understand. All a mask will do is protect others from YOU coughing or sneezing on them.
So you cant live in fear.
I am sorry for the loss of a young life to this but as the Bible tells us tomorrow is not promised. I dont remember seeing an age limit on that statement.

No argument with this but the op did not mention masking.

[cookiedough]

truly sorry Alien for you and your friends loss of such a young family member, very sad and tragic.  I know when my daughter age 21 was feeling horrible a few weeks ago and just got tested soon after we left her 3 weeks ago I wondered briefly if me and my wife had it and gave it to her.  She tested negative and last week with the wife feeling much worse than me we both got tested as well the results were negative.   And both of us at home alone now no kids nor seeing anyone besides basic grocery shopping every weekend or two one would think meeting or being near say only 10 people per week would be safe but never truly safe. 

My daughter even got into it with her boyfriend pretty heavily her being sensible and taking this VERY seriously since she works at a daycare with young kids age 3-6 or so.  She does not want to get it nor spread it to young kids, some with disabilities/illnesses already.   Anyways,  he wanted to go with his parents and his younger brother who tested positive and was not much over 2 weeks having it to their cabin up north.  He went with his parents and brother and my daughter said HECK NO NOT going and was furious he was going to the cabin for the weekend.  She does not really like going up there anyways she told us since all they do is drink and play cards, both of which she does not like to do.  I never met his parents but probably a good thing for I bet in some matters we will never see eye to eye since I know they drink way way too much and go out to bars way way too much.  Pretty certain his younger brother got it at the bars is what he does....  PLus,  they are from up north in WI and have season tickets to the Vikings stadium and daughters boyfriend is also a huge Vikings fan... NOT good..    

My wife pisses me off sometimes at grocery stores standing in line.  I am around 6 feet apart from next person in line but she holds the cart BACK ON ME ticking me off telling me to just wait.  Today I went grocery shopping alone and prefer it that way...   

[mbramley]

 I am truly sorry for your friends loss. I can't imagine going thru loosing a young child. My grandmother who lost several adult children in her life said "no one should have to live beyond their child" and hers were older (mostly seniors) when they passed. Whether you realize it yet or not this is effecting you also. I see my young granddaughter very little because we all take this seriously. I agree with lets keep the politics out of this. Your friends lost a huge part of their heart and soul, that is where our focus should be. I am not a deeply religious person but for lack of better words I will say sending prayers and hope for some comfort to all affected.

[Robert]

I am very sorry for your loss and especially at this young age and it was not expected.

I take the virus as serious as I take riding, they both require knowing the facts and acting accordingly.

[3fan4life]

I don't even know what say except that I am truly sorry for your friends loss.

The loss of a child is something that no parent should ever endure.

Not meaning to diminish their loss in any way.

But there has to have been contributing factors that you are unaware of.

Given what is known about the Covid19 virus.

There is practically  no way that a 13 year old passed away solely due to the virus in only 48 hrs.

I can think of several possibilities but knowing anything about her any suggestions would be pure conjecture.

[Valkorado]

"But there has to have been contributing factors that you are unaware of.

Given what is known about the Covid19 virus".


Don't be so sure.  There are ways...


CDC: 73 percent of kids with coronavirus-related inflammatory condition were previously healthy
MIS-C is a serious, potentially fatal inflammatory condition


https://www.foxnews.com/health/kids-coronavirus-inflammatory-condition

[Serk]

My condolences to your friend's family. Having 4 kids myself losing any of them, no matter the circumstances is one of my greatest sources of nightmare fuel.

May her memory bring comfort.

[F6Dave]

When my grandmother was 85 I sat down with her to document our family tree.  I knew I wouldn't have many years left to ask such questions, and luckily she was still very sharp at that age.

Her husband died when my dad was only two, and her oldest of three sons died less than five years later.  I commented how terrible it must have been to lose both of them in such a short span.  I'll never forget her answer.  She didn't mention her husband, but looked at me and said 'NOTHING compares to the loss of a child'.  After over 50 years there was still intense pain in her eyes.

[Oss]

I know some members who have lost children as well as my brother and other family members

The pain is something I knew I could never fully understand until my oldest girl
got cancer.   Thank the good Lord  and all the prayers from everyone, she recovered and now has given me a granddaughter so
with luck I will never fully know that pain

So sorry to learn of this Alien  Hope they find a cure

I donate regularly to St Judes's in memory of one member's child. They do good work and it is a good way to remember someone IMHO

[3fan4life]

"But there has to have been contributing factors that you are unaware of.

Given what is known about the Covid19 virus".


Don't be so sure.  There are ways...


CDC: 73 percent of kids with coronavirus-related inflammatory condition were previously healthy
MIS-C is a serious, potentially fatal inflammatory condition


https://www.foxnews.com/health/kids-coronavirus-inflammatory-condition

That is a contributing factor.

Yes it's related to and maybe even triggered by the Corona virus.

But, it is not part of the primary disease and is an extremely rare occurrence.


And again neither of us know anything about this child's medical history.

So, hypothesizing about what actually caused her death is Monday morning quarterbacking at its worst.

[Valkorado]

The "primary" virus, much like influenza, in itself doesn't kill people.

Of course those with compromised systems are most vulnerable.  Cancer patients.  The obese.  Diabetics.  Smokers. Etc..  Fatal conditions such as pneumonia, bacterial sepsis, organ failure, heart attack and stroke can be spurred by blood clotting and immune responses.  Age and existing conditions are huge factors in determining who may be most succeptible.   Nobody denies this.

It appears this inflammatory condition attacking children is another such response.  Yes, it it's rare.  Yes, most kids who acquire it will live.  Unfortunately some won't.  In this case I  have no idea of it has anything to do with Alien's friend's daughter.

Children do get seriously ill and die from (or should I say directly related to?) C-19.  Compared to nursing home patients who contract it and more often die from the above mentioned conditions,  those occurrences are admittedly extremely rare.

[Patrick]

I think we all know someone who has had or died from this virus.

I keep hearing opposing opinions on the effectiveness of masks. For every opinion promoting them there is one stating the opposite. These seem to come from places that should know what they're talking about.

I've been of the opinion they are not needed, but, its just an opinion. I think thats all we all go by, our opinion.

What I find interesting is that NYS has not had a resurgence and masks are required. [ well, supposed to be required]. Florida seems to have a resurgence and now is requiring masks. I only wear one because facility owners are getting big fines for customers not wearing them. I put one on about 10ft from the door and when leaving the door to 10 ft only for the above reason. I don't want friends to be fined. As much as I procrastinate maybe they do work.

[Valkorado]

I think we all know someone who has had or died from this virus.

I keep hearing opposing opinions on the effectiveness of masks. For every opinion promoting them there is one stating the opposite. These seem to come from places that should know what they're talking about.

I've been of the opinion they are not needed, but, its just an opinion. I think thats all we all go by, our opinion.

What I find interesting is that NYS has not had a resurgence and masks are required. [ well, supposed to be required]. Florida seems to have a resurgence and now is requiring masks. I only wear one because facility owners are getting big fines for customers not wearing them. I put one on about 10ft from the door and when leaving the door to 10 ft only for the above reason. I don't want friends to be fined. As much as I procrastinate maybe they do work.

Lots of scientists and physicians say they are effective in slowing the spread.  Many folks who frequent online interest boards say they are useless. 

I do firmly believe mask mandates are an overreach of power.

[cookiedough]

trying not to change the subject since is a sad sad passing for anyone to loose a young kid to this kung flu,  but there has to be some coralation to more places wearing masks required and less covid incidents detected recently?  Maybe? 

I know locally Menards is requiring masks worn but HOme Depot is not yet.  Home Depot sales and customers are increasing while Menards locally decreasing all due to mask usage requirements. 

Not sure what the masks requirements are going into any store if has to be ON BEFORE entering the store or 10 feet from the store?  I put my mask on at picnsave the other day AFTER inside wearing my cycle helmet on entering and the young lady did not like it telling her I have my mask putting it on 10 feet inside when I got my shopping cart taking off my helmet.  I have one like this but velcro in back works well:   https://www.amazon.com/CIKIShield-Couples-Seamless-Skull-4pcs-Color/dp/B0787XMH7B/ref=sr_1_44?dchild=1&keywords=schampa+masks&qid=1595695689&sr=8-44

I like scaring young kids - LOL  People give me looks all the time for me wearing it.  Is cooler to breath out of as well since not sealed up on the bottom and can breath thru it better than any normal mask out there.

[The emperor has no clothes]

All,

I beg all of you to take this virus seriously.  Forget your political disagreements and don't be distracted by the nonsense coming at you from all sides.  Forget about numbers of people infected or tested.  Just stop for a second and keep yourselves and your loved ones safe.

A good friend of mine lost his 13 year old daughter to this virus yesterday.  She had been sick for 2 days.
 This is real.  She's dead.  She will never grow up to be all of the things that she wanted to be.  She will never hug her mother and father again. 

PLEASE, don't let your political viewpoint, whatever it may be, keep you from acting in whatever manner is necessary to keep yourself and your loved ones safe.

Ride BE Safe,

Alien

As this thread has taken a ridiculous turn almost immediately, I'd like to reinforce what Alien was saying. (Or at least what I took from it) A friend's daughter is dead from the corona. He came here to maybe grieve a little bit, and to help his friends here (us).

There are plenty of other threads here to debate the conspiracies, politics, opinions of health experts. Take his post as it was meant.

[scooperhsd]

Alien - it's not that we don't feel sorry for your friend's family loss. Any loss of a child prematurely is a tragedy, no matter the cause.

That being said, while we should take the C-19 pandemic seriously, we can't allow it to freeze us into paralyzing fear either. Much like we can't allow the BLM movement and their violent branches (Antifa, etc.) into doing the same .